Template talk:Ursula K. Le Guin

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"Revisioning Earthsea"[edit]

What is "Revisioning Earthsea"? Is this an essay? I don't think it's a full-length work, or if it is, I'll be very surprised to have missed something so significant. If an essay, it really should be in quotes, not italics. [...]



[...] And maybe it's worthwhile to have a list of significant essays by Le Guin, and that could link to it? There are other significant essays and speeches she's given that have been frequently reprinted; I'm thinking for instance of her commencement address to Mills College in, I think, the 80s; and there have been quite a few others widely reprinted. --Lquilter (talk) 14:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I wonder whether any external link is appropriate. If it's elsewhere under Wikimedia (i know almost nothing about Books, Commons, Dictionary, etc) then it should be listed and linked.
Perhaps it should be covered in a section of her biography or bibliography, which might be listed and linked. Below, User:Mercurywoodrose (below) suggests linking to sections of Ursula K. Le Guin bibliography.
... better yet? ... We cover the nonfiction collection Dancing at the Edge of the World (1989), with a contents list that includes two commencement addresses, both with parenthetical links to our general articles on Feminism and Social Responsibility (her subject classes).
  • 1983: "A Left-Handed Commencement Address"
  • 1986: "Bryn Mawr Commencement Address"
--P64 (talk) 17:56, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Template vs article[edit]

While the bibliography will list all her works,

2012 interjection. Probably it should. Certainly it should say whether it does. Now it doesn't even list all of the separately published works that are named in the template (eg, Earthsea short stories), and it doesn't say that it's incomplete. -P64

the template should be only for articles about her works, or works for whom articles are considered essential but not done yet. I question including all the short stories that are part of the hainish cycle in the template, unless each one deserves its own article. I may redlink them. Some links may be to the bibliography: again, templates like this are for navigation, not completeness.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 05:53, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, generally. But "articles are considered essential" is much too strong --unless it has weaker meaning to you than to me!
Certainly the template should not be used for editors to keep track of what needs to be done. For that it must (i say boldly) be apppropriate to put another edition in project, talk, or user space, complete with relevant WP:REDlinks.
"links to the bibliography"? Such as a "short stories" or "essays" bibliography section, or a bibliography entry for one work if the bibliog includes some text. See above discussion of the commencement addresses, #Essays (subsectioned by me at this time).
--P64 (talk) 17:56, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Template improvement in progress[edit]

Does anyone know whether we follow or break a guideline by bolding the titles of Other fiction novels? We must break one by doing it only for the Other, not Earthsea or Hainish.

Is the Catwings book or series uniquely childish among her published writings, and omitted from the template for that reason? Or the only childish work with an article? The template should link to all of her works that have articles. (We now have three stubs, iicc, which our coverage does not warrant, but some coverage is a permanent condition.)

The template should not be strictly limited to works and their group headings, even if its display title is "Works by UKL (bibliography)". I see how to begin improvement and will do so. --P64 (talk) 15:45, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Done (edit summary) (see Talk) subdivide Other fiction; add one Work (picture book?); add Earthsea and Hainish categories, Bibliography, Works and Adaptations categories; simplify display title
  1. subdivide Other fiction — It may be appropriate simply to divide: eliminate "Other fiction" as a top grouping; call the divisions Other novels, Short stories, and Picture books(? below). I don't think it's necessary to spell out "Other short stories and short story collections".
  2. add one Work (picture book?) — Catwings which stands for three stubs of which it is largest. Is Picture books appropriate? Young readers? See my earlier inquiry.
  3. add Earthsea and Hainish categories — literally, "related: Category: Earthsea". This is brutally functional, accurately suggesting something different from the group heading Earthsea which links to a main article. (It uses {{Navbox subgroup.) — If this were a container category it would be clear to list instead "Characters" and "Locations". It may be best to do so anyway, and to spell out or indicate the other contents of the category that are not duplicated.
  4. ... Bibliography[;] Works and Adaptations categories (using |above=) — These link to UKL bibliography, Category:Works by UKL and Category:Adaptations of W by UKL. In two parts it helps simplify display title. The Adaptations category, like the Earthsea and Hainish Cycle categories, should be included here to give some overview of wikipedia coverage. Or their contents should be spelled out.
  5. simplify display title — formerly "Works by UKL (bibliography)" with three bluelinks. I don't think it matters that "Works by UKL" has some listings that are not (articles about) individual published works and series of works. If it matters, change display title to "Ursula K. Le Guin", the name of the template.
--P64 (talk) 17:25, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Very good work, looks better. I may not have done it this way, but i also am very unskilled in creating subsection, etc. Wikipedia:Navigation templates suggests (its not policy) that we dont include items that are redlinks (or not links at all), but many of these items probably should have articles. I still wont change them, but wouldnt stop someone else.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)