Template talk:Video games

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Ugh[edit]

Seriously? Not only is the multiple-colapsing thing overly annoying, but it seems to me that adding Wikispace pages such as projects is simply wrong, and I'm almost positive there's a guideline if not a policy against cross-space linking like that in article-space. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 12:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Portal:Video games links to this project, and Table links to Wikipedia:How to use tables. I don't think it interferes a lot with the article though. SharkD (talk) 01:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Size[edit]

This template is enormous! It adds almost 20kb of text to the final HTML article! And it is really hard to navigate, including links that are completely irrelevant in the context. For example, why would we need a BlizzCon link in the article about Atari 2600 (it currently doesn't have it, but since this template will likely be included in every video game article, my point stands)? Please divide it into small ones, Or I will do it myself (and I won't be kind). -- ReyBrujo (talk) 04:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I was planning on only linking to articles that are linked to from the main topics (dark purple) and not at any lower level. So, it would not appear on Atari 2600.
I'll see if I can tweak things and lower the filesize a bit more. SharkD (talk) 04:47, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
You should split it in the root groups: {{video game history}}, {{video game industry}}, {{video game types}}, {{video game culture}}, and removing Info section. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 04:50, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh, we already have a {{Vg-industry}}. You see why templates should be expanded and in lower case, so that they can easily be found around :-P
Splitting it would just create more overhead. {{Vg-industry}} alone takes up 11958 bytes. SharkD (talk) 04:56, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean (???). And, as for the filesize, Wikipedia reports the post-expanded filesize as 12.4 kilobytes (12715 bytes; see the NewPP limit report in the HTML source), which is still kind of high. One thing I thought of is to elminate the TABLE elements completely since they're not really needed and only use DIV elements. SharkD (talk) 04:54, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I mean, this template is too generalist. You must put it at the article about BlizzCon, and in the article about the first console generation, which have nothing to do between each other. The article about BlizzCon can have a {{video game events}} which also includes E3, E for All, etc. This template is too broad. For example, I put this template in the BlizzCon article (because it has a reference to BlizzCon, but then BlizzCon also gets a link to the Pokémon portal, which has nothing to do with it. Do you understand now? -- ReyBrujo (talk) 05:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I would not place this template on an article that already has or is likely to have an infobox (such as BlizzCon or an individual video game), a page that is more general scope (i.e. not just video games but other games as well) or a page that is a portal/project. I think it's OK to link to them however, and I don't think the navbox is too "generalist." SharkD (talk) 08:03, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I can see how the links in the Culture section might not be necessary. However I'd like to not give the topic short shrift. If you can suggest ways of trimming them out I'd be interested in hearing what they are. SharkD (talk) 11:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I already stated. Split the root sections into smaller templates, and remove the industry since we already have {{Vg-industry}} for it. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 15:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)