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Importance[edit]

Is the importance parameter actually used? If not it should be added to the template or removed from the Usage section. --Flex (talk|contribs) 15:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Emblem of the Papacy[edit]

For the Catholicism picture can you change it to the updated picture of the vatican arms; Image:Emblem of the Papacy SE.svg please. The Quill (talk) 18:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Minor change[edit]

{{editprotected}} Could the noinclude section at the bottom be changed from:

<noinclude>

{{esoteric}}

== Usage == 
__NOTOC__

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Project banner}}

[[Category:WikiProject banners|Christianity]]
[[Category:WikiProject Christianity|*]]
</noinclude>

to:

<noinclude>
{{esoteric}}
{{documentation|1=Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Project banner|content=
== Usage == 
__NOTOC__

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Project banner}}
[[Category:WikiProject banners|Christianity]]
[[Category:WikiProject Christianity|*]]
}}
</noinclude>
Yes check.svg Done Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk) 11:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:06, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

New version[edit]

I'm building a new version of this template on the sandbox which uses {{WPBM}} and will sort out all the issues with this template. It's not quite finished yet, but I've noticed a few things and perhaps people can help me out.

  1. The following parameters seem to be completely unused. In most cases the corresponding categories don't even exist which probably means they were copied from some other banner! Do you want any of these?
    • portal
    • collaboration-candidate
    • past-collaboration
    • failed-collaboration
    • map-needed
    • image-needed
    • portaldykdate
    • portal-picture
    • assess-date
  2. The albums taskforce has a lot of categories missing. Do you want quality and importance classification for this taskforce?
  3. pre parameter is not supported, as it seemed to relate to a different project?
  4. Most of the categories required for Christian music albums task force are not created. Therefore categorisation for this taskforce is disabled for now.
  5. Ditto for the Christian songs task force.
  6. Ditto for the Southern Gospel music group.
  7. The serbian-orthodox-church has been merged with Eastern Orthodoxy.
    • The current banner accepts parameter soc but the documentation says serbian-orthodox-church.
  8. I have added support for a portal parameter as requested. However I haven't implemented image-needed or assess-date simply because the current banner doesn't support these, so I had no wording, icons or categorisation to copy from. However these are easily added later if the need arises.

If there are any other comments I'd be glad to hear them. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The portal parameters should be kept. The collaboration and map features could reasonably be removed, although the image feature might still be useful. The assessment date feature could be very valuable, whether its used yet or not, and probably should be kept. And I'm fairly sure most of the template was copied from somewhere else. John Carter (talk) 15:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I have added a few other points above which I have come across. But, with these exceptions, I believe the new version is ready to roll. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Implemented. Should be a big improvement. Let's see if there are any comments. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Add portal image?[edit]

{{edit protected}} Would you be able to add a portal image, the same file: P christianity.svg, because the majority of the other religion related project banner templates have portal images. Thanks. --Funandtrvl (talk) 06:05, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

The reason I left it off is that the banner will automatically switch the portal link depending on which taskforce is activated. So I didn't know if there was one image which would suit all portals ... Let's see if any project members have an opinion on this. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
But, can't you program it to change the portal image to match each portal then? Not just keep one portal image for all the portals? I think WPFOOD has this programed in, or they were working on it at /Sandbox (capped S). --Funandtrvl (talk) 08:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
It would be possible, but it adds a lot of extra messy code to the template, so I didn't want to do it unless the project really wanted it. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:40, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
I've added the File:P christianity.svg as you suggested. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Something is wrong[edit]

Something is wrong with this. I just added it to Talk:Ed Blakely with the Church of the Nazarene parameter and it showed up with as part of the Anabaptist work group, too. I think I've seen this before. King of the Arverni (talk) 18:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Fixed, well spotted. It was actually affecting every nested banner! By the way there is no such parameter church-of-the-nazarene-class, as the taskforces all use the same class. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:50, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

image-needed not used[edit]

The parameter is documented, but currently has no effect. Documentation bug?--Oneiros (talk) 18:49, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I think it was just copied from another banner's documentation. I've removed it along with a few others that were not supported. Of course, if you want such an option, it would be simple to add. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Recent changed[edit]

The recent changes made by user:John Carter have seriously changed this template. His "typo" edits have made the entire LDS-work-group stop functioning and I would suspect due to the changes several other groups don't work. These "typos" aren't "typos" since they are variable that are defined inside the templates codes. They need to be undone so this template will work again.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk|contribs) 12:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia Rollbacker.svg Reverted. John: ARTEST4ECHO is correct. You cannot just change parameter names such as {{{Indian-work-group}}} to {{{indian-work-group}}} because all the article which are using the uppercase version will then fail to work. Can I suggest you use the /sandbox to experiment in, and maybe get someone else to check your code before deploying. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:22, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I really wish ARTEST4ECHO had done a bit more to verify that he was correct before complaining, because it seems at least some of his complaints are perhaps inaccurate, and he certainly made completely unwarranted assumptions about the nature of what I had done in his initial complaint. The only reason I did change the "I" in "Indian" back to lower case was because that was what it had been before; the capitalization of the "I" was apparently done automatically by the system, which seems to automatically capitalize certain words it recognizes as needing capitalization. In fact, if you see the earlier versions of the template, such as for instance here, you will see that the "indian" had in earlier versions always been lower case. I did, in fact, copy the syntax directly from the last earlier version of the template, and primarily just changed the order in which they appeared, so that direct subprojects would appear below their patent in the expressed template. ALthough I do note that the one mistake I did make, unfortunately, was to list "LDS-work-group-importance" instead of "LDS-importance," which I acknowledge was a mistake on my part, I believe that the this would have been addressed much more reasonably if the complainant had done more than just complain, and had actually done a bit of work to verify that his assumptions were supported by the evidence. And, for what it's worth, the Salem Witch Trials work group doesn't yet employ importance standards, although I did work to create some categories for such usage after the fact, once I noticed that. John Carter (talk) 16:49, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
   First, I disagree with the "inaccurate" and "completely unwarranted assumptions" statements you made. Everything I said above is 100% accurate and the only "assumptions" I made was that there were probably other pages with similar issues, but since I don't know the coding I don't know what the would be. that assumption has proven true. I have never said that I knew what the issue was or how to fix it. All I said was that the LDS-work-group was not working anymore because of the changes you made and someone needed to undo it. Since I am not an administer I can’t do it. MSGJ was the one who chose to undo all the edits.
   Second, Your very first edit summaries say "fixed typo" and what you did was change |tf 8 importance={{{charismatic christianity-importance|}}} to |tf 8 importance={{{charismatic-christianity-importance|}}}. This changes the input value name so that any page using the "charismatic christianity-importance" value (which is every one of them) no longer works. I did not find the {{{Indian-work-group}}}.
   The LDS Movement vs LDS movement wasn't the only place where you changed capitation and/or punctuations and names making every talk page using those values broken. You chaged several other value names using wording in your edit makeing the changes sound like they were "typos". Like here you change {{{syriac-christianity|}}} to {{{syriac-work-group|}}}. No talk page using the {{{syriac-christianity|}}} would work anymore.
   You choose to say that these were done to "fix typos", but these aren't typo at all as far as I can see.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk|contribs) 18:00, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Change request for "Baptist work group"[edit]

Can this line:

TF_3_NAME = Baptist work group

be changed to

TF_3_NAME = Anabaptist work group

(Baptist replaced with Anabaptist)? This will make it consistent with the project title, "Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Anabaptist work group" and less confusing when the template is used on articles that are specifically Anabaptist in nature. The confusion arises because depending on ones point of view, the Baptist articles are a significant subtopic of Anabaptism (thus Anabaptist is the primary grouping), or the two are mostly unrelated topics, with some similarity between the two (thus Baptist is given priority because there are many more articles on notable topics in this category). I think the easiest way to address this relationship is with the above change; there are two more complicated options: split these into two separate workgroups or create a broader workgroup that includes a number of similar groups as well as Baptist and Anabaptist that doesn't subordinate one group to another. Thoughts? JonHarder talk 18:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I've made the change you requested. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the change. This has a consequence I had not foreseen: it broke the categorization. See for example Talk:Family Life and the two redcats at the bottom. I can create those "new" cats if that is the best solution, but maybe it is preferable to discuss a better solution to this Anabaptist-Baptist project mixture. JonHarder talk 12:23, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Well I've changed the assessment category back to the original, which fixes the problem while you discuss the best way to tackle this in the long term. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:30, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
That looks better. Thanks for helping out! JonHarder talk 22:38, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Change request for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints work group[edit]

While this should remain the same...

 |tf 2={{{latter-day-saint-movement|}}}
  |TF_2_LINK            = Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement
  |TF_2_NESTED          = Latter Day Saint
 

...the following...

 |tf 3={{{LDS-work-group|}}}
  |TF_3_LINK            = Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints work group
  |TF_3_NESTED          = Latter Day Saint
 

...should be changed to...

 |tf 3={{{LDS-work-group|}}}
  |TF_3_LINK            = Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints work group
  |TF_3_NESTED          = Latter-day Saint
 

...per wp:MOSLDS & Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Latter Day Saints). -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 16:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Daughter projects?[edit]

In the template instructions for "orphan", it mentions the WProject's daughter projects. Is this referring simply to the work groups, or to the fully-formed WProjects listed on the project page (Anglicanism, Bible, etc.)? Thanks, Aristophanes68 (talk) 21:48, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested edit[edit]

SVG Please replace the Quaker star PNG file with File:Quaker star-T.svg. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 09:01, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 08:58, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Requested edit 2[edit]

Please replace the Christian Metal music task force with WikiProject Christian Metal which I've added and worked at Template:WikiProject Christianity/sandbox, including the Christian metal portal. Please note that the Christian Metal music task force has been deleted at WP:MFD. Thanks. JJ98 (Talk) 08:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. --Diannaa (Talk) 03:27, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Much appreciated. JJ98 (Talk) 03:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Lutheranism category question[edit]

Please add the line:

TF_3_MAIN_CAT = WikiProject Lutheranism articles

underneath the TF_3_ASSESSMENT_CAT line in the "Lutheranism" section.

I have made the change at Template:WikiProject Christianity/sandbox.

Thanks! Cognate247 (talk) 04:16, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:36, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Thank you so much!! Cognate247 (talk) 16:40, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Syriac Christianity work group[edit]

Could someone change the Syriac Christianity work group icon to something more Syriac-like? May I suggest this or this.--Rafy talk 23:30, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps the former would work better in miniture? Yes check.svg Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:25, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Methodism portal[edit]

Since I'm not sure which template it should be added to for it to appear here (does it need to be added directly to this page) I wonder if anyone knows how to link to the Methodism portal on this template?

Portal:Syriac Christianity[edit]

Please add the Syriac Christianity portal. Thanks.--Rafy talk 03:46, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Crystal Clear action edit add.png Added — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:51, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

[edit]

Please change the logo to File:Christian cross.svg for consistency per this discussion: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Christianity#Logo. – Lionel (talk) 12:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done, there wasn't really a huge amount of discussion there, but no-one seemed to object much. Tra (Talk) 22:15, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Vector graphics[edit]

Edit request: File:Anglican rose.svg is an available vector version of File:Anglican rose.PNG. This may be true of other images on the template. ✝DBD 19:17, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Christian History Template[edit]

I'm creating a taskforce for Christian History, can you please add this as a taskforce for this template, along with an importance switch?

Template:WikiProject Christian History

ReformedArsenal (talk) 15:16, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested template edit[edit]

Formatting Presently, this template contains the text "Gesangbuch handgeschrieben 1971Naeher Mein Gott Zu Dir/JPG" rather than "Gesangbuch handgeschrieben 1971Naeher Mein Gott Zu Dir.JPG" please amend. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

You didn't mention that there was a space missing as well! Anyway, Done. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:56, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Reduce size of image in template[edit]

Image:Christian_cross.svg is too long & narrow; it eats up too much talk page space with whitespace and a large margin beneath the Wikiproject Christianity introduction. (This happens with any "tall" image using the default width.) If reduced from the default 80px to 50px, it looks much better. Thus, please add beneath the image:

|IMAGE_LEFT          = Christian_cross.svg
|IMAGE_LEFT_LARGE    = 50px

That should do the trick. SnowFire (talk) 21:47, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Done --Redrose64 (talk) 00:05, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 December 2012[edit]

I'm surprised that this hasn't already been done, but shouldn't there be a parameter on this template that links to the Christian films task force? Currently, articles can be added to the task force by adding "Christian=yes" to the {{WikiProject Film}} template, but I don't see any corresponding "film=yes" that can be used on the {{WikiProject Christianity}} template. Just thought that I'd pass it along, in case it was somehow overlooked. Fortdj33 (talk) 20:54, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Not done for now: Hi there. Could you put the relevant code in the template sandbox? Once you've done that reactivate the edit protected template and someone can copy the code over to the main template for you. Don't forget to test it out on the test cases page as well. Best — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 21:28, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Not sure that I did it right, since it didn't show up on the test case page, but I added what looks to be the proper code on the sandbox page and saved it [1]. Hopefully someone can copy it into the proper location, because IMO it should really go between "Religious texts" and "Christian music" instead of where I put it. Thanks! Fortdj33 (talk) 02:11, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
No, the syntax was a bit wrong - the sub-templates only accept up to 10 task forces, so it didn't register when you tried to make it number 11. I've corrected that for you, but I have a couple of questions. First, you used "christian-films" as the parameter name - that means that whenever someone wants to add the task force on the article talk page, they have to type {{WikiProject Christianity|christian-films=yes}}. However, you said you wanted the parameter name to use "film=yes" above. Which one would you like to use? Another thing is that you have specified a separate importance scale for the task force, so the template expects Category:Top-importance Christian films articles and related categories to exist. However, these are not used by WikiProject Film and are currently red links. Do you want to use these at WikiProject Christianity but not WikiProject Film? Once we have these two details sorted out I can update the live template for you. Best — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 08:07, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
I apologize, I simply copied the parameters for one of the other task forces, and changed the appropriate words to match the Christian films task force. But yes, the parameter that I think should be used for {{WikiProject Christianity}} is "film=yes", because all the other wikiprojects that are linked to film task forces use either "film" or "cinema" as the parameter. And I'm not sure about the importance categories, since I understand that {{WikiProject Film}} does not use them, but it appears that all the other parameters for the Christianity project do use them. Let me know if you want me to help create them. Thanks, and sorry again for the confusion! Fortdj33 (talk) 14:15, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I've deactivated the request again for now, because we need to have a definitive "yes" or "no" for the question whether or not we should create the importance categories. I suggest starting a discussion about it on the project talk page and linking to it from WikiProject Films as well. Leave it open for a week and see what people say. If there's no response we can simply go with your preferred option. Best — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 17:49, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Preference for this over subproject templates?[edit]

Should this template always be used instead of the various subproject templates? If so, should the subproject templates be merged into this one? If not, could some notes be added to the documentation here and at the subproject templates to help people know when to use which template? --JFHutson (talk) 15:39, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Good questions. In general, we would I think probably prefer to use this template over those of most of the so-called subprojects, with the possible exception of the various Christian music projects and some articles relating to the recently changed Unitarian Universalist groups, which are no longer necessarily "Christian". This template is equipped to provide assessments for both the Christianity WikiProject and the subprojects, which the others aren't. However, it is also true that in some cases some of the individual subproject's banners have some additional functions which this one doesn't, for some things like "this article has been tagged as having certain specified problems," "this article has been selected for Portal X," etc.. It might be possible for someone, probably me, to set up this banner for all those functions, but to date I haven't, partially because it is a lot of work to include all those parameters functionally. Were there any particular situations or articles you were specifically thinking of? John Carter (talk) 16:04, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
No, I've never needed any of those extra params so I just wondered why we still have the subproject temps. It doesn't really sound worthwhile to do a bunch of extra work, and I guess there's no real problem with being inconsistnt with these tags. --JFHutson (talk) 19:46, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Religious leaders[edit]

Shouldn't we add the Religious leaders code from Template:WikiProject Religion to this template. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 12:00, 1 April 2013 (UTC)