Template talk:WikiProject Oregon

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WikiProject Oregon (Rated Template-class)
WikiProject icon This template is within the scope of WikiProject Oregon, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the U.S. state of Oregon on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
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The current collaborations of the month are Politics of Oregon & Oregon Children's Theatre.

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(Copied from User talk:Msgj:) I reverted your edits to {{WikiProject Oregon}} as they break the auto categorization of invalid parameter values. Also that logic provides clear error indication and linkage to comprehensive usage instructions. I, for one, depend on that instead of looking at the documentation when tagging articles. —EncMstr (talk) 17:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps first I can explain why I made those edits, and then I'll discuss the particular issue of invalid parameter warnings that you raise. The {{WPBannerMeta}} is the meta-template for creating project banners which all projects are gradually converting to. While it can seem like a big step, the idea is that no functionality or appearance is significantly changed and it brings with it huge advantages.
  • It makes adding new functionality to the template very easy (e.g. support for taskforces and subprojects) which would take a long time to do manually.
  • It also means that any improvements and developments to templates and software can be implemented with a single edit for all project banners, without each project having to maintain their own banner.
  • As it used by many thousands of pages, it is very comprehensively tested and any errors are quickly fixed.
About the error messages on this template, it's an interesting idea and admittedly not something that the meta can handle. However I believe it is unnecessary. If an incorrect parameter is used then it is quite obvious, on saving the page, that it hasn't worked properly. For example, if the class parameter is wrong then it will be marked as unassessed. You shouldn't need a special category for it, as it will be in Category:Unassessed Oregon articles. (I agree that it is nice that it links to the template instructions; a link to that could easily be added.) So while you may be used to the way it is currently, I'm hoping you will agree that the advantages of converting outweight any small perceived disadvantages. Martin 05:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Note: the proposed conversion is now in the sandbox: Template:WikiProject Oregon/sandbox. Martin 05:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
For small projects, inspection of the talk pages would probably be adequate for revealing mistaggings. However, we have more than 8000 pages tagged—and growing. Using the established logic, tagging errors are easily identified by inspecting Category:Oregon articles needing attention. This catches errors beyond the two common assessment parameters, and probable parameter errors, including photo requests as well as intentionally flagged articles. It's brilliantly easy to keep the documentation linked to errors. The meta template really ought to do that too.
Also, there is the possibility we—as a project—might not embrace changes to the classification scale (which was expanded not too long ago to include C-class) or create our own extensions to it. If we made such decisions, we would almost certainly enact them through the template.
Making it easy to add subprojects doesn't strike me as an obvious good feature: the proliferation of subprojects on the cinema project and attendant complication of the template seem good arguments for making it harder to add such functionality, though I understand your motivation.
I didn't notice whether or not the "collaboration of the week" banner message was showing on your version, but it certainly has to. It is a major way of advertising the latest project focus.
As far as standardization across projects goes, there is really little incentive for us. The existing code is thoroughly debugged. Project members who modify and work with its guts don't care what other projects are doing and have already adapted to its structure. Having it depend on something else can be more bewildering than having everything all at once visible. —EncMstr (talk) 17:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure I really understand what the mistaggings issue is about, but I'd like to voice my support for EncMstr's general approach here. WikiProject Oregon is a very dynamic project, with a number of active members and a number of people tweaking its inner workings. The idea that we might want to do something differently from other WikiProjects strikes me as not just a possibility, but a likelihood. That said, I appreciate Martin's efforts to streamline the WikiProject world. -Pete (talk) 18:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
An example would be {{WikiProject Oregon|class=something invalid|importance=extra high|reqphoto=pacific ocean}}. (That's three mistaggings, but any one of them would make the error category light up.) —EncMstr (talk) 19:12, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

It's actually fairly easy to work a similar error-reporting system into WPBM; I've implemented it in the sandbox here. What do you think? Happymelon 15:28, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

You're talking about this, right? Template:WikiProject Oregon/sandbox
To the degree I understand all this (not very high!) that looks great! I'd want EncMstr's stamp of approval before we proceed with any changes, though...he's by far our best code brain, and has implemented most of the techy WP:ORE stuff. If he doesn't reply here, you might want to ping his talk page. Thanks for working on this!! -Pete (talk) 19:06, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done I've now made this conversion. Happymelon 10:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I've undone it again. I hadn't noticed it before, but photo requests do not properly get categorized—at least some of them. The category Category:WikiProject Oregon image requests in North Central Oregon was empty.
Hmmm... I've now looked at all the photo request categories; that one may have been the exception rather than the rule. Oh, here's another empty one: Category:WikiProject Oregon image requests in John Day area. —EncMstr (talk) 22:17, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Category:WikiProject Oregon image requests in North Central Oregon should have worked fine, as would Category:WikiProject Oregon image requests in John Day area (note this one is empty anyway). I think you would be better working with us on this, rather than imposing your version. Minor details can be sorted out easily and are not a reason to revert the whole template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Correction, it was Category:WikiProject Oregon image requests in North Central. This was a mistake, but would have been easily fixed. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Third time lucky :D. I've rechecked the photo categories, confirmed that they're all right (AFAICT), and reimplemented the WPBannerMeta version here. Do please let me know if anything is amiss. Happymelon 17:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

add reqphoto category?[edit]

I'm thinking about adding a reqphoto category called 'historic'. There are a number of entries that need a historic, not current photo, and reqphoto seems to be tuned to current photos. It would remove the regional aspect of reqphoto for historic photos, but I think that's okay. Any objections? tedder (talk) 04:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)