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Help:Editing - Rethink and rewrite[edit]

I've placed the following comment on Help talk:Editing. Please reply there.

This page is too large and poorly structured. It doesn't meet the needs of new users. The lead section is waffly and too detailed. The image doesn't add value; it increases the visual clutter. The material in the section entitled "More information on editing wiki pages" could be put into a navbox; anything that is important for new users to read should not be in this section. I think this page needs a total rethink and rewrite. Comments would be welcome. Rubywine . talk 15:42, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I completely agree with the previous comment. I am trying to find a way to discuss a topic in one of your wikipages and I do not seem to find any clear way to do so. I think I need more help... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:09, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

New discussion occurring: add the Find sources parameter to the AfD template[edit]

Northamerica1000(talk) 03:39, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Questions/Comment on project[edit]

  • My user name is MarkFilipak. I received a message from Peter Coombe asking me to participate in a survey ( I was asked to rate various predetermined properties on a 5-point scale from Very Dissatisfied to Very Satisfied. Like all such surveys, this survey is worthless ...please read on.

1, The place for this is while a visitor is using Help, 2, What is needed is a free-form space for visitors to enter whatever they want to enter, 3, There was no provision for me to contact Mr. Coombe. Honestly, if WikiMedia is paying qualtrics for this survey, it's money wasted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkFilipak (talkcontribs) 19:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

  • I've been trying to figure out what Wikiproject WP:Workshop and WP:Workshop for Women most logically belonged with. Both encourage people to do workshops and offer helpful outlines, resources for doing so. I just finally found this one through a category on the bottom of a help page. I couldn't find it in the past searching in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory and Category:WikiProjects. So maybe it has to be more prominently displayed in those.
  • So do people feel these are part of this project and it's ok to put the Templates on their talk pages? (Already put them in Category:WikiProject Help Project pages.)
  • What's the difference between Category:WikiProject Help Project pages and Category:Wikipedia help forums??
  • As I asked on Template_talk:Help_navigation: Is it appropriate to have a separate workshop section on the template? Also one for WP:Videos - an area that needs more work and organization.
  • Before finding this I thought we needed something like WP:Wikiproject outreach and/or training for those interested in bringing more people into En.Wikipedia. Did find this pretty much dead project - WP:WikiProject_Wikipedia_Outreach - focused narrowly on outreach smaller wikis and asked about possibility of changing it to a broader project. But seeking others thoughts since don't want to do it unless a few people actually are interested.
  • Comment on this project: I do feel rather strongly that Unconventional 'WikiProject' structures is a very confusing topic heading. Other Wikipedia project pages or Relevant Wikipedia project pages would be simple and accurate, since that's what they are. Can I change it?  ;-) CarolMooreDC 16:39, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I have had a couple crazy weeks and not able to review thoroughly or comment on your many changes. Looks good visually! YEAH!!! Have big real life writing deadline in next few days but will try to fit in a more thorough look during that time when taking a break. CarolMooreDC 16:56, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Carol, more changes and news from my fellowship work coming soon! In response to some of your questions (sorry I overlooked them before)
  • The workshops are really cool, but I wouldn't say they fall within the scope of this project. As you can see we have a lot on our plate here already with just the help pages, I'm not sure it's a great idea to take on outreach work as well. Although of course there's always going to be a lot of overlap of interests.
  • Category:WikiProject Help Project pages is generally for static pages and how-to's, whilst Category:Wikipedia help forums contains places for people to ask questions of other humans.
  • I'm wary about adding more to {{Help navigation}}, it could do with a serious cleanup as is. I gather that Wikipedia:Workshop is really aimed at more advanced users aiming to run workshops, perhaps the Community Portal would be a better place to promote it? Videos could be a good addition though.
  • An overarching Outreach WikiProject could be cool, if only to keep track of all the efforts that are going on in that area. There is the Outreach wiki though, which seems to be doing a similar thing. Making that more visible on en.wikipedia would be great. the wub "?!" 18:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
I do understand your concerns above and Outreach Wikiproject help collect the straggler projects/essays/etc. would be helpful. Let's find a volunteer to do it :-) More when get a chance. CarolMooreDC 19:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Introduction to Wikipedia[edit]

The order of sections 2 and 3 in the introduction seems wrong to me. Currently, section 2 is "Learn more about editing" and section 3 is "Explore Wikipedia". I'd say it would make more sense to invert this order. You want to know how to explore the Wikipedia before you think about editing it. Elendaíl (talk) 14:00, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Where is this introduction? I don't see it either on the Project page or in Wikipedia:Introduction. Jim.henderson (talk) 00:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
It's apparently about the second and third tab in Wikipedia:Introduction. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:24, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I meant. Elendaíl (talk) 02:54, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Community fellowship[edit]

Hi everyone,

As you may be aware, the Wikimedia Foundation has been sponsoring a number of fellowships to work on projects aimed at improving editor retention and increasing participation across Wikimedia Projects. One recently proposed fellowship was a drive to improve help pages on the English Wikipedia. I'm sure as fellow members of the Help Project you realise how important this is. So I'm delighted to be able tell you that proposal was accepted, and that I'll be working in this role for the next 6 months.

The Help Project have been doing great work in this area, and I'm really looking forward to being able to devote more time to supporting this. My work is mainly in the research stage at the moment, but you can read a bit more about the plans for the fellowship at Wikipedia:Help pages redesign project. Your comments and ideas on the talk page would be very welcome. the wub "?!" 15:22, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

As I wrote on your talk page, I just added this project to its "Open Tasks" list. One of first things this project should do is help re-organize and promote that page, with this as a subproject of it. What are your thoughts on how to do that? CarolMooreDC 14:15, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Editor Retention was just started, evidently not realizing all the good work you are doing here in case you want to go over and see how these can work together. I've also told them to come here. CarolMooreDC 20:23, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Copyright[edit]

This proposal relates to copyrights. Feel free to discuss. --George Ho (talk) 17:03, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Centralised comments box, and proposed new gadget[edit]

There are currently a few help pages (such as Help:Searching) with links at the bottom for users to leave feedback. See Category:Wikipedia feedback pages for more examples. However these are rather scattered and hard to follow, and don't seem to attract many useful comments as it is. In addition the comments that are left indicate the interface may not be clear to users.

My plan is to create a new centralised feedback page, perhaps at Wikipedia:Help Project/Feedback, which would be easier for project members to keep track of. This would also provide important data to inform my fellowship work. In addition, I want to deploy a javascript gadget to make the feedback process much simpler for n00bs and readers - basically popping up a simple form instead of taking them to an edit page. The gadget proposal is here, comments from project members are welcome. the wub "?!" 21:21, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Thumbs up Good idea. benzband (talk) 09:19, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Community portal discussion[edit]

There's a discussion taking place about the purpose of the Community portal, and the possibility of redesigning/revitalising it. Might be of interest to people here. the wub "?!" 21:22, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Is it any help to have a "Noob's progress" to look at? -[edit]

as an example of how the learning-your-way-in process looks / has been looking in one (not-so-typical?) case? An example of the kind of context where the various Help facilities may get used?

SquisherDa (talk) 04:42, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia IPA[edit]

Category:Wikipedia IPA is currently considered to be an administration category and most of the member articles are in Wikipedia namespace. These articles are actually of use to readers so they should all be moved into the Help namespace. and the category should be renamed to something like Category:IPA help. It should than be made a subcat of Category:Reader help. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 10:01, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

User:The wub/sandbox/1[edit]

Re User:The wub/sandbox/1 (comments requested here): sorry, but I'm not really convinced that it's better than the existing design at Help:Introduction to policies and guidelines. Vertical tabs is a less familiar approach, and the whole design feels a bit old-fashioned and less clear. Rd232 talk 14:25, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I like the vertical orientation, for these reasons: 1) tabs are currently used in Wikipedia's design, to separate things (page/talk/edit/history), not to link things. 2) The vertical tabs are more akin to a Table of Contents, which is what they are - tabs are fundamentally a way of splitting lots of content from a single page, into a less-overwhelming "set" of pages. 3) The subheadings are very useful (if kept minimal and insightful). The 9-tab Wikipedia:Tutorial and 6-tab Wikipedia:Article wizard could both benefit from this. 4) see this progress of top-tab usage and then abandonment for an interesting background. HTH. -- Quiddity (talk) 22:50, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
The vertical tabs are more akin to a Table of Contents, - exactly - and that's not what tabs are for. Arguably tabs aren't for horizontal navigation either, but at least that's a design people are very very familiar with. See Jakob Nielsen on tabs. Rd232 talk 23:47, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Nielsen's page was last updated in 2007 if I'm not mistaken. Things may have changed since? Anyway, the Wub is going to do usability testing. If there is really a problem, he is going to notice during usability testing. No worries. Dodoïste (talk) 05:27, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Needs a fix, for the changing location (height from top) of the side-tab block. eg in User:The wub/sandbox/3 they're a lot lower. I'm not sure what to tweak, to fix this properly. -- Quiddity (talk) 22:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I personally think there are several new ideas in this design that are worth trying. Usability testing will decide it all. There is one sole thing I would suggest to improve: the links in the side tabs. Why black links? I can't emphasize this enough: on Wikipedia, links are blue. According to mw:Wikimedia Foundation Design/Color Usage that you aim to conform to, links are blue. There is no indication that this is an interactive tab. On hovering the tab, there is no change either. When hovering "Content policies" that looks like a H3 header, it becomes underlined like a H2 header. ;-) I'm pushing a little too far, it's only in order to clearly insist on something I believe to be important. Please don't take it personally, I think you've made a good design overall. Dodoïste (talk) 21:19, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the blue links point. I'll change the subpage's css to show that in action. (Done. And I believe that makes it a lot clearer.) -- Quiddity (talk) 22:50, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Quiddity, that's a start. But I think these tabs will have to be refined further. It would make sense to have the whole tab clickable, and have a refined interaction. Dodoïste (talk) 07:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful feedback everyone. I've made a few tweaks today, one of which fixes the tabs so they remain in the same position from page to page. Also the change to use blue links is a good one that I agree with on further consideration. Making the tabs highlight on hover would be a simple one-rule addition to MediaWiki:Common.css, but unfortunately I can't figure out a way to make the whole tab clickable within the constraints of MediaWiki. the wub "?!" 16:54, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Feedback tool[edit]

Thanks to the WMF developers, we now have the option of using version 5 of the Article Feedback Tool (AFT) to collect feedback on help pages too. By default it has been deployed to all pages in the Help: namespace. It can be disabled on any page by adding Category:Article Feedback Blacklist (I've already done this on Help:Searching as it was receiving way too many useless comments).

Since there are also many "Help" pages which are in Wikipedia: space, you can also apply the tool to them by adding Category:Article Feedback 5 Additional Articles. I'm planning to do a batch of these at the weekend, but if you're keen to start finding out what people think of a page feel free to add the category yourself.

Once a page has AFT applied, you can add feedback using the form which appears at the bottom of it. Feedback can be seen by clicking "View feedback" in the sidebar, or the "Feedback from my watched pages" link at the top of your watchlist. (Being able to filter the central feedback page by namespace has also been requested as a feature, but it may be some way off.) For more info on the tool generally see this FAQ. the wub "?!" 16:41, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

RfC: Redesign of Help:Contents[edit]

A new design has been proposed for Help:Contents. Please join the discussion at the talk page. the wub "?!" 11:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done (discussion is closed and changes implemented). -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:31, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Teahouse/Host lounge#A quick link[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Teahouse/Host lounge#A quick link. Nathan2055talk - contribs 23:31, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Finding the Help pages[edit]

If a search fails to find what the user is looking for, and the user accidentally lands on the Special:Search box page, he or she will see links below it. One of the links is called, "Help and Project pages". Clicking on any of the links does not display a convenient hierarchical list of items in that "category" (or more information) as most users would expect—it simply does nothing. This Special:Search page (which is almost completely blank) is a fabulous opportunity to entice the user to ask questions and explore, to invite the user to register and to learn more about Wikipedia and to choose somewhere to participate—but it simply does nothing except let the user retry a failed search. Google uses search results pages to "advertise" related stuff along the right-hand side of the page. Wikipedia could "advertise" the Help system, the Project pages, and offer the opportunity to learn more, but instead... all the user sees on the Special:Search page (or on the right of a search results page, for that matter) is a nearly blank page and/or links that don't work. (Unfortunately there is no History tab or PageView Stats link (that is usually under the History tab) on this page either—but surely the Special:Search page gets a lot of visits from lost users). LittleBen (talk) 09:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Help:HTML in wikitext[edit]

I have rewritten Help:HTML in wikitext. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 23:48, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Stirling effort Gadget, that took some dedication! Lee∴V (talkcontribs) 01:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Nice work! the wub "?!" 09:23, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. My intent here was to attract other editors who can fix any of my gaffs. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:20, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:How to make a table in Wikipedia[edit]

I have rewritten Wikipedia:How to make a table in Wikipedia and proposed a merge to Help:Wikitable, which is next on my improvement list. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:22, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Who writes Wikipedia - Page needs some repair[edit]

Wikipedia:Who writes Wikipedia - Page requires apparently some repair.
Currently this page starts with:

"Satyam Roychowdhury, Managing Director & Founder, Techno India Group...
... leading life that is based on deep-rooted moral values and is guided
by qualities like honesty and integrity."

This item obstructs the view of the text of:

Who Writes Wikipedia

The item should therefore, in my opinion, be moved to an appropriate location.
The information contained in the obstructing piece, should be retained, moved and further edited.
T2a (talk) 16:12, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

A new user had saved an article in the wrong page. I have reverted it. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:17, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Help:Wiki markup[edit]

I am proposing major changes to Help:Wiki markup. See Help talk:Wiki markup#Rework. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:06, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Help:Reset password[edit]

Help talk:Reset password Help:Reset password is set up as a reader help page. Since readers, who could be defined in part as those who do not log in, do not need to know about logging on to Wikipedia the page should be part of Wikipedia editor help instead. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 08:16, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I have removed {{reader help}} from the page. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 02:58, 17 February 2013 (UTC)


Help:Wikitable is up for deletion. See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Help:Wikitable.

Help:Table/Introduction to tables was started as a copy from one of the other intros, but was never completed. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:57, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Revamping by Moxy[edit]

Template:Help navigation[edit]

After seeing so many complaints from Wikipedia Education Program editors that our "Help" stuff was all over the place (in that they have to go to page after page) - I have taken the time to update and consolidate {{Help navigation}} to a one stop navigational tool with many of our main help type pages. I have also added the template to appropriate pages - in a few cases like here I posted a note to ask if others are ok with it and its placement on a particular page. Have gotten a few request like here - thus far all looks good. -- Moxy (talk) 05:35, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Fake Portal redirect for project banner[edit]

New portal redirect now seen on 500+ talk pages by way of the {{Wikipedia Help Project}} template.-- Moxy (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Main interactive user help pages[edit]

Ok I have taken the time to consolidate the templates on our main interactive user help pages. They all had multiple templates in them with different colors and were not uniformed in there presentation. Pls review make sure all is ok..spelling, layout etc... Now that I have completed the above mentioned changes I will be moving on to my next project I have lined up (build a disruptive index). Thank you all for the suggestions about Template:Help navigation - since its upgrade to a one stop help template now seen at the bottom of 250+ related pages - articles like Wikipedia:Plain and simple and Wikipedia:A Primer for newcomers have seen a huge upsurge in traffic -this is good. All the best my friends.-- Moxy (talk) 21:04, 15 February 2013 (UTC)


Ok I am done the descriptive index pls review the page for typos and missing info - see Wikipedia:Help index. pls add the page to your watch list ,,,,,,Moxy (talk) 22:54, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

WP namespace dab page[edit]

I am trying to improve the accessibility of the numerous WP pages. To this end I created this dab page but it was reverted and reestablished as a redir to Help:Files. I welcome any thoughts on it. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:09, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia how-to[edit]

The contents of Category:Wikipedia how-to could do with a clean up. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:56, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

Resolved: Moved to Help:Contents/Directory
Moxy (talk) 04:56, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Could we get a few eyes to look at Help talk:Outline of help resources#Requested move.Moxy (talk) 18:22, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Looking for help updating The Missing Manual[edit]

Finally read the whole Missing Manual and realized there needs to be an update to the page Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Appendixes/Learning More..... that still talks about the old Help:Contents page. I am simply inept at images and wondering if anyone here is willing to tackle this update with me.Moxy (talk) 07:36, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


I found Special:GettingStarted today - its this active (live).Moxy (talk) 22:02, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I think it's still being tested; some new contributors are being shown this page, but not all of them. Village pump threads. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:06, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Connecting with the Open Help world[edit]

I got invited to attend Open Help Conference in the US in June, and thought some people here might be interested in attending. The conference looks like an open format type event, focusing on open source help support and documentation. WMF has Participation Support Grants that could potentially support people's travel - might think about getting a Wikipedia team together from this project as well as Teahouse? Just a thought! Siko (WMF) (talk) 18:50, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Certainly sounds interesting, thanks for pointing it out! I've sent you an email. the wub "?!" 18:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Awesome! There is now an odd little signup page on meta for anyone interested in joining the team :-) Siko (WMF) (talk) 05:16, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor is coming[edit]

There is going to be lots of work to do soon. To quote WhatamIdoing "Screenshots and instructions for basic editing will need to be completely updated. The old edit window is not going away, so help pages will likely need to cover both the old and the new." See Wikipedia:VisualEditor (Wikipedia:VisualEditor/FAQ) for more info.Moxy (talk) 15:03, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the details, and I need to go track them down so we'll know what's happening, but there may be some testing in the next week or two with some brand-new accounts. As a result, we might need the docs to be updated ASAP, because it's possible that we'll soon have a few thousand accounts that have never seen a page without both [Edit] and [Edit source]. WhatamIdoing (talk)

Help:Labeled section transclusion[edit]

Help:Labeled section transclusion has been started. --  Gadget850 talk 17:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


As we are all fully aware we have many pages that overlap the same information. Thus I am creating this section to talk about some mergers....will start small and work our way up to big pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moxy (talkcontribs) 18:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

First debate[edit]

Merge request - Wikipedia:Questions -> with Wikipedia:Requests - pls indicate the name in the end that is best for the title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moxy (talkcontribs) 18:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

  • Support as nominator - keeping the title as Wikipedia:Questions but with Wikipedia:Requests layout of a comprehensive director. --Moxy (talk) 18:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment - where are these pages primarily linked from, aside from the two headernavbars? I think "WP:Questions" is in many welcome-templates, and other talkpage templates? I'd be very hesitant to make it overwhelming (comprehensive) for newcomers/noneditors. I'd be more inclined to leave WP:Questions as it is, and merge WP:Requests into one of the other Directories (eg Help:Contents/Directory or one of the Help:Contents/Browse subpages).
    Note Also: WP:Contact us (linked in the side-wide sidebar) is somewhat related to WP:Questions; I like its recent clarifying overhaul. –Quiddity (talk) 22:12, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Agree with Quiddity's suggestion. Wikipedia:Requests is too much for new users. the wub "?!" 03:42, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment — most of the links on Wikipedia:Requests are to action departments rather than help desks/pages, and many are focused on fixing specific types of problems rather than merely answering questions. A link to Wikipedia:Requests might be appropriate in a "See also" section on Wikipedia:Questions, but merging the two pages together would make the resulting page daunting to beginners. The Transhumanist 20:03, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Second debate[edit]

Merge request - Wikipedia:How to help -> with Wikipedia:New contributors' help page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moxy (talkcontribs) 18:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)


Other language interface solutions[edit]

Add anything interesting, and worth looking at to potentially adapt ideas from, here:

Current collaboration (and the next)[edit]

I've been bold, and started a project collaboration to encourage focusing on particular tasks for a time. The first one is assessment of help pages, this will help us deciding where to prioritise work, and may also uncover pages which should perhaps be merged or deleted.

This will probably run for a couple of weeks, although it depends on how much progress is made. Suggestions for what to focus on next are welcome. My idea would be updating help pages to take account of the VisualEditor (in fact that was my original plan for the first one, but I decided to wait since the interface and setup continues to be in flux). the wub "?!" 04:44, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


I've just created Help:Screenshot as a very rough an ready dab page to Wikipedia:Software screenshots and Wikipedia:Screenshots of Wikipedia. It would seriously benefit from the attention of someone who knows how to write help pages better than me! Thryduulf (talk) 18:52, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

feedback wanted on draft rewrite of "Welcome to Wikipedia" print brochure[edit]

The Global Education Program team at Wikimedia Foundation is currently working on a new version of the "Welcome to Wikipedia" print brochure, which is used for many in-person outreach events like edit-a-thons, as well as for education program courses. You can see the feedback we collected on the previous version, and now we have text for a draft rewrite ready for review and editing. Please take a look and leave comments and/or make edits, as this rewrite will probably be in print for several years (the previous version was developed three years ago, with only minor text updates for subsequent printings in the meantime) and it typically reaches a few thousand people per year in English (plus a lot more in translated versions, as an online PDF, and in local printings for specific events).--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 15:08, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Template talk:Game guide[edit]

The template renaming request has been relisted. Please join in to improve consensus. --George Ho (talk) 21:47, 22 November 2013 (UTC)


Template:Bibleverse needs to be edited by and admin. The source code links to That website is no longer active. User:Atethnekos edited Template:Bibleverse/sandbox which links to

{ { Bibleverse|BOOK#|BOOKNAME|c:v–c:v|SOURCE } } John 1:1 Joel 4:2 1 Maccabees 2:1-5 are not working.
{ { Bibleverse/sandbox|BOOK#|BOOKNAME|c:v–c:v|SOURCE } } John 1:1 Joel 4:2 1 Maccabees 2:1-5 are working.
The source code of Template:Bibleverse needs to be changed in its entirety to:the source code found here
Can someone take care of this? Kind regards, --@Efrat (talk) 06:54, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Never mind It's been fixed. --@Efrat (talk) 07:43, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

The Closing discussions page[edit]

Hi. I put a question up on the Wikipedia talk:Closing discussions Talk page. Doesn't appear to be too active over there. Wonder if a couple of folks interested in the whole Wikipedia Help project might look over there and suggest a next step.

Here is the specific discussion: Wikipedia_talk:Closing_discussions#Requesting_a_close.

Thanks much. Cheers. N2e (talk) 15:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Since this page is not much monitored nor very active, I went on to ask my question at the Wikipedia Teahouse on 27 November 2013. It was quickly and helpfully answered by Fuhghettaboutit on 28 November 2013, and the discussion may be found here.
Yes check.svg Done So in early February 2014, I have updated the "Closing discussions" page to make it explicit on where such requests may be made. Feel free to improve or copyedit what I added to that Help page. Cheers. N2e (talk) 14:17, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

JavaScript edit requests[edit]

See template talk:JavaScript where a new edit request template has been proposed -- (talk) 06:59, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Editor review#Mark Historical?[edit]

Note there is a discussion at the talk page on whether to mark it historical, it hasn't received attention for months. KonveyorBelt 16:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

MediaWiki Help instead of Help:Contents/Browse on the Main Page[edit]

Getting a link to MediaWiki Help instead of Help:Contents/Browse on the Main Page. I really rely on the Help:Contents/Browse functionality, how do we get it back? Djembayz (talk) 20:23, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I think this is one for the techies to look at - I've posted at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 124#Sidebar "Help" link broken. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Now fixed. the wub "?!" 23:35, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikipedia Help Project at Wikimania 2014[edit]

Project Leaflet WikiProject Medicine back and front v1.png

Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

The deadline for submissions is 1st July 2014

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to:

Project leaflets
Adikhajuria (talk) 17:49, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Help MOS[edit]

Greetings! I'm glad to see this project. If done well, and I believe it will be, not many projects will have such a great positive impact on the overall quality/consistency of Wikipedia articles. I'm considering signing up.

One of the first things that should be done---before any changes are made to help pages---is a "manual of style". It would standardize things like exactly how to represent variables, the characteristics of tables, and so forth. It's a big area and it alone could take half a year or so to complete; but I think it's critical to do it first.

Is this already being done? I didn't see anything like it on your main page. It could be that I just didn't look deep enough.

On a different topic, is there a "project manager" here? I.e., someone doing high-level planning and coordinating the activities of the worker bees? Mandruss (talk) 12:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the project Mandruss! As seen at Help:Help the help system is a bit of a mess. This has happened simply because of the way Wikipedia is - that is anyone can create pages, plus pages are divided up by name spaces. We have Policies, Guidelines, Help and advice pages "Essay" in different name spaces (thousands of pages). We take care of "how to" and some "general info page" - not policies, guidelines or the manual of style. Our project has its own MOS at Wikipedia:Help Project/Guidelines but its a project guide not a real MOS. May be a good idea to expand the page to tell all more on how best to present help info to our readers....however most people who come to this project are generally aware of the main MOS and use that as a format/style guide. We also have to remember project members and non-project members have their own ideas on how to present the help info. For example Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia has the same basic info that can bee seen at Wikipedia tutorial and Newcomers training and The Wikipedia Adventure all in different formats/styles. The most pressing thing is consolidation of current pages that regurgitate the same info in the same format that can be found at Help:Contents/Browse/Site map and Help:Contents/Directory. We don't really have a project manager ..a few take care of things like this project pages and news...but we all do what we like where we feel things need fixing or expanding. Jump in be bold - got more questions just ask. -- Moxy (talk) 22:45, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia[edit]

I have completed making a parent article on how and where people can help Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. User:Fuhghettaboutit has done a great job in helping with copyeditng and correcting some fine points (Thank you User:Fuhghettaboutit). Would love to get a third or even better yet a fourth set of eyes to go over the page. Would also be a good idea to mention this page in the next set of news letters. There is also a proposal to have the article linked on the left side of all pages ...see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#‎Add "Contributing to Wikipedia" to main left hand side info links-- Moxy (talk) 23:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi folks. I wanted to make a note that an Individual Engagement Grant proposal, Reimagining Wikipedia Mentorship was approved, and our team is through the first month of our grant. Our space will be called the Co-op, and I've posted some news detailing our first month's progress. Please check it out, as we intend for our planned mentorship space to complement and expand on collaborative efforts between editors that has already been established here. I, JethroBT drop me a line 19:35, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Article Assessment Within Help Project[edit]

Is there a link to how to assess Help Project articles? Also, since many of the help topics only require brief explanation, are we ruling out length as a major criterion for a certain assessment, assuming all other aspects are good to go? Upjav (talk) 03:45, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Answered my own question; put here for future reference in case anyone else has the same question - Wikipedia:Help_Project/Assessment — Preceding unsigned comment added by Upjav (talkcontribs) 03:53, 20 August 2014 (UTC)