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I think the current version of the hammer (Hammer (Last Stone First End)) makes the curlingbox look very busy and confusing. I think the revisions should be undone. -- MrBeijingles (talkcontribs) 01:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

The previous version provides no context, and is essentially unnecessary decoration. It should certainly not be restored. Alternative layouts which provide the same information in a textual format would be great. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:30, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
The previous version doesn't need to provide context as it is part of how the World Curling Federation and all national federations and curling clubs display match results. Often these organizations simply use a circle or dot to indicate which team had the opening end hammer, without giving an explanation about what it means because it is assumed that most viewers know what that means. Therefore, the icon itself with the "hammer" label is not "decorative", but informative. Adding "hammer" after the icon, is redundant. Perhaps a better solution would be including a link to the explanation of the hammer as part of the hammer template. -- MrBeijingles (talkcontribs) 18:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I'd welcome any suggestions for how to present an explanation of what the symbol means. The most important thing is that we try to be as clear as possible to a general audience (television graphics typically don't have to appeal to blind readers, but our tables do), not anything specific about the presentation. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 21:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I think a mouse over would be fine. I think WP:CURLING is unanimously against the current change. -- Earl Andrew - talk 02:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
A mouseover is fine for sighted readers with mice looking at the Wikipedia website. It isn't fine for people on iPhones, or people printing copies of pages, or editors creating spoken copies of pages, or for readers who can't use mice, or for blind readers who have to use screen reader software. I see two comments about this on WT:CURLING, one of which was from you, and neither containing much in the way of rationale except an aesthetics comment. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
That's the whole point of having Alt text. When I first noticed the change to this template, I too thought it was odd and unnecessary. There's no reason we can't accomodate disabled users with Alt text, but at the same time, there's no reason to clutter the display. Huntster (t @ c) 17:41, 22 May 2010 (UTC)