User:ArtVandelay13/Germanclubnames

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German football club names[edit]

There seems to be come confusion and inconsistency on Wikipedia as to how the names of German football clubs should be expressed.

Town and City names[edit]

In German football, it is not common practice to list clubs by just the town/city names, in the way that in England we refer to Liverpool or Blackpool. The club is always listed with a club name, e.g. Borussia Dortmund or Kickers Offenbach. If the team does not have an elaborate name like this, then the SC, FC, VfB (etc) should be left in, i.e. VfB Stuttgart. This applies in all lists, infoboxes, league tables, statistics tables, fixtures, match details, and in a player's lead.

Obviously in article prose, a shortened name can be used, once the proper name has been established, to make the text flow more easily. Equally in tables where there is a lack of space, abbreviations can be used, but this is rare on Wikipedia.

Ambiguity[edit]

If you do insist on using one-word names, or town names, please check that it's appropriate, and that no other club uses that name. For example there is another Hertha, another Stuttgart, another Frankfurt, another Köln and even another Bayern.

The Karlsruher problem[edit]

When you do use one-word names, ensure that it makes grammatical sense. Karlsruher SC means "Sports Club of Karlsruhe" - Karlsruher is an adjective, so leaving it on its own makes no sense. Saying a player played for Karlsruher is like saying Zinedine Zidane played for French. Generally speaking, if the initials are after the town name, which ends in -er, then it's in its adjective form, while if it's written before, it's expressed normally, as a noun. Karlsruher SC is equal to SC Karlsruhe.

Real-life examples[edit]


Example infoboxes[edit]

Correct
Personal information
Date of birth (1971-12-19) December 19, 1971 (age 43)
Place of birth Munich, West Germany
Playing position Striker
Club information
Current team
SpVgg Unterhaching (Manager)
Youth career
1979–1989 Bayern Munich
Senior career*
Years Team Apps (Gls)
1989–1992 Bayern Munich (A) 49 (23)
1990–1994 Bayern Munich 57 (16)
1994–1997 Karlsruher SC 93 (36)
1997–1998 Bayer Leverkusen 23 (2)
1998–2000 1. FC Kaiserslautern 57 (12)
2000–2001 MSV Duisburg 33 (11)
2001–2004 Hertha BSC 62 (22)
2004–2005 VfL Wolfsburg 7 (0)
2005–2007 SpVgg Unterhaching 39 (11)
2007–2008 Chemnitzer FC 22 (3)
Total 442 (136)
National team
1990–1993 Germany U-21 17 (9)
1995 Germany 2 (0)
Teams managed
2008–2009 Chemnitzer FC II
2009–2010 Chemnitzer FC
2010– SpVgg Unterhaching
* Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only.
† Appearances (Goals).
Incorrect
Personal information
Date of birth (1971-12-19) December 19, 1971 (age 43)
Place of birth Munich, West Germany
Playing position Striker
Club information
Current team
Unterhaching (Manager)
Youth career
1979–1989 Bayern Munich
Senior career*
Years Team Apps (Gls)
1989–1992 Bayern Munich (A) 49 (23)
1990–1994 Bayern Munich 57 (16)
1994–1997 Karlsruhe 93 (36)
1997–1998 Bayer Leverkusen 23 (2)
1998–2000 Kaiserslautern 57 (12)
2000–2001 Duisburg 33 (11)
2001–2004 Hertha BSC 62 (22)
2004–2005 Wolfsburg 7 (0)
2005–2007 Unterhaching 39 (11)
2007–2008 Chemnitz 22 (3)
Total 442 (136)
National team
1990–1993 Germany U-21 17 (9)
1995 Germany 2 (0)
Teams managed
2008–2009 Chemnitz II
2009–2010 Chemnitz
2010– Unterhaching
* Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only.
† Appearances (Goals).
Very incorrect
Personal information
Date of birth (1971-12-19) December 19, 1971 (age 43)
Place of birth Munich, West Germany
Playing position Striker
Club information
Current team
Unterhaching (Manager)
Youth career
1979–1989 Bayern Munich
Senior career*
Years Team Apps (Gls)
1989–1992 Bayern (A) 49 (23)
1990–1994 Bayern Munich 57 (16)
1994–1997 Karlsruher 93 (36)
1997–1998 Leverkusen 23 (2)
1998–2000 Kaiserslautern 57 (12)
2000–2001 Duisburg 33 (11)
2001–2004 Hertha 62 (22)
2004–2005 Wolfsburg 7 (0)
2005–2007 Unterhaching 39 (11)
2007–2008 Chemnitzer 22 (3)
Total 442 (136)
National team
1990–1993 Germany U-21 17 (9)
1995 Germany 2 (0)
Teams managed
2008–2009 Chemnitzer II
2009–2010 Chemnitzer
2010– Unterhaching
* Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only.
† Appearances (Goals).