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2002 Gujarat violence

Would you like to explain things here? — Nearly Headless Nick {L} 10:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

India Noticeboard

Yup... the entire India noticeboard is looking pretty snazzy.:) --Antorjal 20:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I shall use it in future. -- P.K.Niyogi 01:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Anything in particular? Somebody has been keeping an eye on by Buddhism articles? Whoah... Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Bakasuprman.

Sorry Bakasuprman, what [[1]] does this mean? Wikiproject Hinduism really not active? You are not really active or is it different from article Hinduism? Just curious.

Swadhyayee 05:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


Namaste Bakasuprman. Thanks for your comments on my talk page. I have actually used the term Indian subcontinent before without the intent of being nationalistic (see Roman Urdu and Kashmir). After Zora mentioned it, I could see why the term would be contentious among other editors from South Asia. In my opinion, if we are talking about geography, it is okay to use the term Indian subcontinent whereas if we are referring to the culture or political region, it is probably best to use South Asia. I hope this helps! Alvida, AnupamTalk 05:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


The practice of Sati continues till this day..mostly due to religious sanction TerryJ-Ho 11:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Mr.TerryJ-Ho, If, your above statement is intentional, you are doing the worst thing of tarnishing the image of our country. I do not know your back-ground. Hope you will appreciate that sentiments of any person get hurt when his/her nation/religion/societies come under false attack. How would you feel, if so done to you? India has a population of 120,00,00000. I have completed 56 years in this country and sufficiently informed about things going in this country. I have moved in villages regularly and live in Mumbai from birth. I have hardly heard of one or two instance of Sati during my life of 56 yrs. You can't help the people who wants to self immolate. We have rich & poor, educated and un-educated, modern and orthodox, good and bad all kind of people like any other country would have. Sati Pratha came in social practice because of Muslims invaded small kingdoms, killed or captured males, raped and made women folk their wives. Indians mostly were strict vegetarians. Muslims are non-veg. The women preferred death over being raped or marrying for the second time against Hindu culture and customs. The pride of woman-hood and un-civilised behaviour of Muslims are the route cause of this deprecative social system. Though people like me who borned later are also full of wounds of the root cause of Muslims behaviour. Pl. don't make fun of our pitiable social system which do not exist anymore from more than 5 decades. You shall make yourself and your society a shame for such remarks. Can you show me a single evidence that the system of Sati exist and the roots are our religion? Where did you get this information from? You are a shame Mr.TerryJ-Ho. God will not forgive you for such in-human behaviour. Swadhyayee 14:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

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Under WP:SPAM "it is sometimes acceptable to contact them with regard to a specific issue as long as it does not become disruptive". Note the words "sometimes" and "disruptive". He (Swadhyayee) has been warned twice today already (by Andy and Deskana) not to repeat it. He was asked to post at WP:ANI. He also knows about the Indian noticeboard. But spamming many talk pages with personal attacks is not acceptable. - Aksi_great (talk) 05:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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I was objectively initiating discussing with a user I am on friendly terms with. Also, no diffs were cited by you,and there was no "edit war" started either. Refrain from posting your NPA laundry on my page.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


Thanks I am back for the kindness of Shell Kinney.

Thanks I am back for the kindness of Shell Kinney.

I am most thankful to you for your sympathetic ACTIONS and love for me. swadhyayee 11:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar


An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 12:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think you'll be able to call my accusation a canard for much longer. BhaiSaab talk 00:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for adding my recently created articles to the It's New Template. There are so many articles to create and sometimes I feel like my life is a little too short to wait for :-P But kudos to you for keeping tabs on what's happening everywhere on a regular basis. Take care man.Antorjal

Hinduism Caste

Thanks Bakasuprman. I am not sure whether you checked edit of my removal of two paras which I feel are grossly improper and worsen the article. This was reverted by HeBhagawan. He sees that by hook or crook the article remain his way and I surprise why Priyanath support him in his non-sense inclusions. The article is free of any axis. I commented that there is 1) way of preaching and 2) way of life. This article should have way of preaching as axis. For way of life, the article must be seperate. Somehow, they are not open to correction.

Will you pl. see my edits of 7-11-06 and reversal by HeBhagawan and change it, if you too find it ir-relevant?

They need a clearly worded comments. swadhyayee 02:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


I have added a picture for you. -- Ganeshk (talk) 02:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Baka but..

Thanks Baka for your comments on Hinduism talk page but I could not understand whether you support my view that caste system being not a religious doctrine should not be detailed which is likely to invite controversies and provide a tool for anti-Hindus. My ref. is obsevance and non-observance of castes, Dalits, discrimination, govt. policies etc. having included in Hinduism.

Can you clearly word your views.

swadhyayee 05:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.swadhyayee 06:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks Baka to help in retaining sense in Hinduism. swadhyayee 06:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

See Hinduism, The idiotic inclusion is put for voting inspite of your and Saivasuj's opinion. swadhyayee 14:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


Hi. It's really surprising how far someone would go to spread hatred given access to an open source encyclopedia. Green23 and are proven sockpuppets (here) and Saavak123 has been banned for being a sockpuppet (here). All three being the same person all the time. Thanks for your support on this. I appreciate it a lot. Freedom skies 03:39, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for taking the time to draft a version of the section on caste. Now that we have several different versions, I hope it will be easier for people to decide which one they like best. Namah Shivaaya. HeBhagawan 04:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Saare Jahan Se Achcha

Namaste Bakaman. I hope you are doing well. Have you heard anything about the status of Saare Jahan Se Achcha lately? I remember you had asked me to intervene on the talk page and I just wanted to know how that went. Let me know if you hear anything. Thanks! AnupamTalk 04:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know the article was unprotected at 05:20, 9 November 2006. Thanks! AnupamTalk 05:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


Hey Bakaman, thanks a lot for your support to the RFA..:) I will try to have a look at the article for DYK but these days my damn alterego is taking too much time and has already got more edits than me!! But just give me a day or so. I'll get on to the article... -- Lost(talk) 10:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hindu Temples

I'm in the process of adding a lot of content about various temples in Tamilnadu. I searched for the template of an Hindu Temple stub, somehow cudnt find it and hence used the Hinduism stub. I was about to create one today, and thank you for pointing out to an existing template.

Balajiviswanathan 19:41, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Prasun Mukherjee

Hi! Thanks for recreating the article. I've added necessary wikilinks and categories. --Victor 21:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


Article look good? Now YOURE making ME laughing out loud! Trying to correct 'misconception' of historical understanding! And making it all sound like the MOST philosophical kind the Advaita Vedanta! Let me guess this is also his personal view.Opiner 03:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

'Your edit summaries lately seem a bit agitated and you seem also to have little legitimacy among Hindu users.'

True thats probably what it is and thank you for the insighting. BUT article not SUPPOSED to belong to Hindu user! Its true thats the way lots of Wikipedia actually work BUT I think it shouldnt. Thanks for the support on editting to shorter form.Opiner 03:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Mujeerkhan and Tipu Sultan

He might start using his socks to start a rampage there so please do keep an eye on Tipu Sultan. Thanks.Hkelkar 04:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Bad Faith Attempts to remove Vedic Metal

Hi Bakaman, some users are trying to remove any mention of Vedic Metal from Wikipedia. Vedic metal was an article which was Afded twice and got deleted twice, mainly because of disinterest from concerned Wikipedians. Currently, it is a sub-section of the article Folk metal and some users are trying to remove it from there as well. Please check these diffs - diff1, diff2. Apart from that, check out the Talk:Folk metal. I think, as Indians and Hindus, we must not let Indophobes remove Indian material.

--NRS | T/M\B 08:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Historically-defined racial groups in India

Please put this article in your watchlist. It is full of junk pseudoscience lifted off of Pakistani Nationalist Websites and Dalitstan (of all places) and is a potential POV fork of Demographics of India (I removed the Dalitstan and Pakistani Nationalist crap but you know the revert-warriors).I think this article should be AfD'ed.Hkelkar 09:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I nominated the article for deletion:

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Historically-defined_racial_groups_in_India Hkelkar 07:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


I would try to look for related books in the public library. if I get one(or some) I would ask you to know your requirements. By the way I knew quite a bit about manipuries before. Thanks for your message. I would try to help and call you If I get something.Tarif from Bangladesh 11:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


can you please add this page on your watchlist. Some Anon ips are hell bent to portray him as a [2]hindu-loving ruler and it seems that this page is not watched by many(judging by the time taken to revert vandalism) .nids(♂) 11:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


Bakaman, OIT is proving continuous culture/religion from at least 4000 BC to present time in India. That makes Hinduism oldest in the world. OIT also makes a strong case for PIE being in India or close. This position can be presented and argued easily (T, E and K have put together good arguments). It is not accepted by mainstream yet but if it is presented properly it will be soon. We have to keep working on this and take baby steps. PIE = Sanskrit can not be argued easily, Sanskrit first from PIE can be argued. Movement you bring in religion or PVC with culture before last ice age (Frawley’s assertion in some cases) it will be create allegation of propoganda. If you make Hindu statements in OIT, then people will see this as a religious position and ridicule it. So who looses in this case.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sbhushan (talkcontribs) .

Look, the best thing that can happen with the OIT page is if people who have ridiculed the theory as religious propaganda in the past can finally see it for the well-backed and possible true theory which it is. I've been through Frawley's essays as well as Knapp's and used them to build the OIT page, but the truth is there are gaping holes there and they are not supported well enough. I'm happy to blank those sections as long as I can fill it in with other evidence. By the way, saying PIE = Sanskrit is something people categorize with propaganda, I'll stay away from it. It seems clear that the Vedas were written after split of PIE to P-Anatolian and PII, otherwise lots of evidence falls into disarray. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 05:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

edit warring

Please discuss issues on the talk page rather than edit warring. I explained my edit in the edit summary. — goethean 21:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


Please note that Prem Rawat is not Hindu. You may want to remove that category. Thanks. ≈ jossi ≈ t@ 03:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


I can't give any sources off the top of my head, but I know someone who is leading the Manipuri Wikipedia (See here). If he can help, you can get more info there. Please get in touch with User:Usingha. Of course, if Manipuri has nothing to do with Manipur, then I express my ignorance :) about the issue. --Ragib 03:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Hi Bakaman, I am very thankful to you for supporting and comments on my succesful RfA. Shyam (T/C) 06:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: King Rajeshvara

Yes, I will soon start an article on King Rajeshvara and his Manipur link, but have no information on Bhagya Chandra. --Dkonwar 07:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:Rasa Lila

Hi Bakaman, the article was deleted as it was copyvio. You can create a fresh article (non copyvio). -- Lost(talk) 20:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 11 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sukhbir (musician), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Allen3 talk 23:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On November 14, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pamheiba, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for tools!

Indeed thanks for the tools! Yes, they would be useful as I am learning everyday something or other new here. — VMO 04:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, good that...

Thanks, good that you are not leaving things half way. It helps to retain sense in the article. swadhyayee 05:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh! I noticed rv of Swadhyay Parivar late. My earlier comments were for Hinduism. swadhyayee 05:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Assessment

Alright bro, I have joined the Sub-project and will start workin' rightaway. --NRS | T/M\B 05:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I have joined and I already rated two articles, Vishnu and Shakti. If you have any disagreements with my ratings please feel free to talk to me or just change it yourself.-- Seadog 05:57, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, where do I find the list of Hinduism articles ? --NRS | T/M\B 05:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The answer to NRS's question is They can be found at the Assessment page, and Hello again Bakasupraman I will get to rating them. Most likely tomorrow. Take care.-- Seadog 06:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I've started with Category:Hindu festivals. Durga Puja and Chatth have been rated. If you disagree with the rating, do talk to me or change the ratings. --NRS | T/M\B 06:18, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes, actually the importance ratings were a bit confusing to me. I do feel they are subjective and there must be some more guidelines to help assessors. I thought, Durga Puja is just a festival, so maybe not Top importance, but yeah, your reasoning is more correct, and I'll remember that in my next assessments. --NRS | T/M\B 06:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Award for You

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Thank you for being so kind and being an all around good editor, keep up the good work.-- Seadog 06:09, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


Hi, I assume that you are talking about me reassessing the importance to High. I donot question the importance of ISKCON, as I myself is a part of the volunteer group and has volunteered for many events in Seattle. However, I question the importance to Top, as we want to keep the most important topics to Hinduism in that, and if we keep adding sects it will open a pandora's box and every major sect (there are hundreds) will try to get it classified to top. Thus, I moved it to high. I hope you understand.

Balajiviswanathan 21:18, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk contribs

Hello. May I ask how you got the counter to work out who had edited your pages the most? Did you count them manually? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Portal:West Bengal: Peer review

Hi! I've submitted Portal:West Bengal for Peer review. Please express your views/suggestions there. One of the problems with the portal is lack of selected pictures. Please see Portal talk:West Bengal where a thread on selected pictures has been started. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


Yeah, he went kind of crazy there.

I bet Freedom skies is really glad he didn't give Indrancroos his personal e-mail address.
JFD 14:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Article for Deletion

Hi Bakaman, If you have an opinion on the deletion of Neem Karoli Baba, then you should add your opinion here Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Neem_Karoli_Baba. It may have been speedied by the time you see it, I hope so. Thanks, ॐ Priyanath 18:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Google hits must not be taken as a yardstick in Asian related AfD's

Google hits must not be taken as a yardstick in Asian related AfD's. Newspapers of Vernacular Languages may have millions of readership. For example, in India every state has its own language. There are more than 20 widely speaking native languages in India. But the news reports from the newspapers of such languages are not available in google search.Take the case of Malayala Manorama Newspaper. Currently this Malayalam language newspaper has a readership of over 9 million, with a circulation base of over 1.4 million copies according to Audit Beureu of Circulations. Manorama is one of the India's largest selling and most widely read news paper. There are more than 50 such newspapers in India. News reports from such dailies are not available in google eventhough it have millions of readership. But news reports from English dailies with 1000 or 2000 copies are available in google search. It is really misleading...Isn't it...? In this context of notability tests based on google hits may be a worthless, foolish effort. In such circumstances we must consider the words of native wikipedians with more importance. May I know ur valuable opinion ……?  Nileena joseph (Talk|Contribs) 06:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Voting for Tirupathy as a colloboration project

Hi, can you join me in nominating Tirupathy Venkateshwara Temple for the colloboration of the week. It is a shame that such an important article is still not near the FA-category.

[here] Balajiviswanathan 07:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Ayyavazhi Hoax

It seems to me that this entire concept of Ayyavazhi is some big hoax in WP history. I ran a news search on all the major Tamilnadu centric newspapers and not even a single result came. I ran a search on the book, "Religion and Subaltern Agency" and not a single reference on any non-WP caching site. There is some big mischief going on. We have got to collect people knowledgeable in Tamil Nadu to group and verify their thin claims and if no major claim is found, we have to put all teh articles for speedy delete. Balajiviswanathan 23:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


Hi Baka. I would appreciate an answer to this question, as I have not implied anything of the sort. Thanks. BhaiSaab talk 06:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

That's because I find myself having to respond to your instances of trollish behavior, most often occuring with me. BhaiSaab talk 16:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Baka, Can you do something to block IP

Baka, Can you do something to block IP, involved in sheer non-sense inclusions on Hinduism? Pl. see the edits. Pl. treat this as urgent. You would know, how to block. swadhyayee 06:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. - swadhyayee 02:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


yeah, Sarvagnya and Gnanapiti are free to edit except they are not counted as "independent" as far as any disputes along linguistic lines. They are actually in two physically different places now. Oh and {{User DYK}} is something I created for my own use which may interest you.Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


Namaste Bakaman. I would be more than happy to post a comment about your constructive edits in the areas which I have worked with you. Let me know if you would like me to make a statement on you delineating your useful edits in areas which I am familiar with. If you could please, can you provide me a brief overview of what the entire arbitration case on the given page concerns? I would really appreciate this. With regards, AnupamTalk 08:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for answering my questions about the discussion. I went ahead and added a comment to the discussion (see statement). Please let me know how you feel about it. Thanks, AnupamTalk 06:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Possible POV in article

Hi Baka, I came across an article - Decline of Buddhism in India. It seems to me a very biased and POV-article. There hardly seem to any references at all. And what's that about this views and that views. Do all Indian Buddhists pertain to the view provided in the article ? I seriously doubt it. And the so-called Hindutva view is shared by many other neutral scholars as well. There do not seem to any citations as well. Actually, I have read many neutral articles on this topic and almost everywhere, it agrees with the "Hindutva" view. And that's why I am a little concerned that this article may not be NPOV. You may take a look at it. Bye, keep rockin' --NRS | T/M\B 13:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

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Thank you for the Support

I'd like to express my huge thanks to you, Bakasuprman, for your support in my recent RfA, which closed with 100% support at 71/0/1. Needless to say, I am very suprised at the huge levels of support I've seen on my RfA, and at the fact that I only had give three answers, unlike many other nominees who have had many, many more questions! I'll be careful with my use of the tools, and invite you to tell me off if I do something wrong! Thanks, Martinp23 14:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

A working man

The Working Man's Barnstar is perfect for an editor who works on DYKs, article creations, templates and much more. Keep it up! Rama's arrow 20:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Just see this.

Dear Bakasuprman,

I don't know, how did I come across this youthtube video, it seems it is an attack on Pakistani President Mr.Musharaf. Worth listening. Pl. bring it to the attn. of concerned Wikipedians. swadhyayee 16:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


You voted for Tirupathi Venkateshwara Temple, this week's Indian Collaboration of the Week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. - Aksi_great (talk) 17:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Vidya Balan

In my opinion inserting vernacular scripts in an english language encyclopedia is unnecessary. The ongoing arguments over this in such numerous articles is a non-prodctive exercise. There are a number of editors wasting their time and others' indulging in tit for tat activities and edit wars over which script to add to which article. I don't want to waste my time over this. Sorry - Parthi talk/contribs 19:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiruba shankar et al.

Hi, just wanted to find out if I did something wrong in the way I noted that this article and Kamla Bhatt were listed in India-related deletions. I noticed you re-noted this on these articles, so I figured I might have left a step out or something. Darkspots 02:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I did put the "delsort|India" template in the two AfD discussions, however. Thanks. Darkspots 03:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Exactly the phrase I was going to use. Regarding our new buddy, I think ed.whatever is a little too clumsy to be a sockpuppet--look at how many edits in his contribs before he actually got an AfD going. I think he'll switch accounts after this round and go after some other Indian bloggers, seems like a very specific guy. Darkspots 04:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Swami Ramdev

Yes, I think semi protection is a great idea, the page is being constantly bombarded by anonymous 59.95.xx.xx and other spammers. Sfacets 06:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiruba shankar

You may know more about the guy listed above. A single-purpose acct is trolling and afding a bunch of India related pages see's contribs.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Our processes and our systems allow such foolish things. I feel helpless and shall not intervene and waste my time. Thank you. --Bhadani 15:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
In my humble opinion, Indian editors are not expected to edit India-related pages! --Bhadani 15:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


Hey Baka, thanks for lettin' me know about the userbox. And yeah, regarding Decline of Buddhism in India, Gizza has already removed some POV and cleaned up a bit, apart from changing the name of the article to a more NPOV one. Keep that page on your watchlist though. BYe, and Keep Rockin' --NRS | T/M\B 04:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: King Rajeshvara

Please read the article about Ahom King Suramphaa or Rajeswar Singha. --Dkonwar 08:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the information on the userboxes. I've added them to my collection ;). I've been quite busy lately with stuff in real life and (as you might have noticed) haven't had much time to spare for wikipedia. I'll get back during the Thanskgiving break. Thanks again. Antorjal 17:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


Kindly keep an eye on Vedas, Vedic Sanskrit and Rigveda. There are editors who will substitute text from authorities like Max Muller with those whom they prefer, irrespective of the Wikipedia standards. Thank You. Freedom skies 19:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)