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Hi Baka, I am a new user of Wiki and may not know all the specifics but I placed my commnents on your revert of the Ayodhya debate in the discussion page. Please try to answer me. --Khammam 05:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Could you please provide reasons for why you reverted my edition to the page Jamaat-e-Islami? Thank you. Aslamt 18:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

PROD

As a reminder, any editor can remove an article from the PROD process by removing the tag. Unless they totally blanked the page or nominated for CSD at the same time, it is not appropriate to reinstate the PROD tag, as you did here. Once the prod tag is removed, PROD is not available as an avenue for deletion. If you believe that article should be deleted, AFD it. See Wikipedia:Proposed deletion#Conflicts, the first bullet point. GRBerry 18:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Caste issues

Hi there! I wonder if you could give more information about the "caste consensus" issue you keep bringing up with Zora on Talk:Shilpa Shetty? I'm more interested in the how and why such references are not allowed according to WP:BLP (according to her) when there are caste-references and clan-references all over the place in Wikipedia (Rani Mukherjee for example. I'm not sure what the consensus is so I would appreciate your quick rundown of what the issues are about.

For the record, I also object to Zora's continued removal of vodka sponsorship information. There is nothing about "advertising" in WP and the articles of other stars contain information about their endorsements. I hope it will be OK for you to keep an eye on the article, even though it is now under semi-protection. Many thanks, Ekantik talk 05:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Back + more

Hi Baka, I'm back from my vacation, and wanted to give some update to you which may interest you. In BD, I organized several wiki meetups and conducted expeditions to take photographs of ancient structures. I went to visit the Dhakeshwari Temple, and took a lot of photos of the Siva Mandir's on the temple premises, and the main temple along with the goddess statues. The temple looks really awesome face to face!!

Even better, I got hold of a book by the Historian Muntasir Mamun, Prof. of Dhaka University, who is considered to be the greatest historian on the history of Dhaka. His book contains very interesting details about Dhakeshwari, along with old photos (<1947, and hence in PD). I'll start adding the photos and text/refs once I get over my jet lag!

Next, I got hold of some rare photos of the Ramna Kali Mandir (destroyed by Pak Army in 1971, and since not reconstructed). I also tracked down a journalist who took some splendid photos of the Kantaji Temple, and I convinced him to upload the pics to WP.

I did took a lot of photos of Mughal era forts, mosques, and other ruins. Too bad I ran out of time!!

Ok, I'll keep you updated on the photo uploads. Thanks. --Ragib 07:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Anton Balasingham

Hi,


The above personality did a lot for a lasting solution in the island though he suffered from diabetes, Motor Neurone Disease, a degenerative disease of the nervous system, and possibly medicine-induced bile duct cancer.

Now putting his Bio "Terrorist Tag", I feel unreasonable and removing it, please take necessary action on this.

I have discussed my points at Talk:Anton Balasingham.Rajsingam 09:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


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Input on RSS page

You've asked for my input quite some time ago and here it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh#Regarding_the_Criticisms_Section_.....


I was busy with other aspects of life so I apologise.--Milki 15:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Please read

Hi! You might want to read my post: Talk:Saare_Jahan_Se_Achcha#Words_and_Meanings and give your feedback there. Thanks! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Advertising

Hello, I replied to your post on my talk page. I thought you may be interested in participating at Talk:Shilpa_Shetty#Advertising or the related Village Pump discussion if you feel you have something to contribute. Ekantik talk 07:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

RE: Your recent message

I am not religious and am not well versed in legends and religious stories. In regards to "encyclopedic format covering all aspects" I was hoping that this may prove to be a good page for you to make better. Right now many of the Hinduism editors support Aryan818, but it has also been brought to our attention that the Shiva page is a mess. You're killing two birds with one stone there.Bakasuprman 01:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
What are you proposing? Wiki Raja 04:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Hi, I created a new article on Rudrapatna, a small village in Karnataka, which has a rich musical history and has produced numerous Carnatic musicians. Can you look at the article and see if any info is worth a DYK nom. Thanks, Naveen (talk) 16:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Partition of India, migration figure

Bakaman, I have never seen that 7 million figure before. The real figure is 3.5 million and I provided half a dozen sources for this, which you simply deleted and reverted the changes. Note, most sources are Indian. Please explain yourself. You can revert the edit yourself, or I am putting this forward to an Admin to review.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Partition_of_India&diff=102512593&oldid=102411504
--Unre4Lﺍﹸﻧﺮﮮﺍﻝ UT 21:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello

This sort of is a reply to your comment [[User_talk:Dangerous-Boy#Reply.

Also please see User_talk:Nadirali#Your_lucky_day, User_talk:Unre4L#Your_lucky_day, User_talk:Arjun01/Archive17#Gizza.27s_username (This one is an interesting discussion). In short, I'm no longer going to touch on any controversial article for the next 9 months because of my final year of high school. It causes too much stress. I'm only on Wikipedia for enjoyment until my secondary schooling is over. I was inspired by Bhadaniji. Best wishes for your Wiki-life and real life. GizzaChat © 21:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Rajkumar Kanagasingam

Hi

I couldn't understand why this user User:Netmonger is raising the above problem which totally irrelevant to Talk:Rajkumar Kanagasingam Page. As this is my Bio, could you help me to sort out this matter with him. Rajsingam 13:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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Your DYK nomination for Rudrapatna was successful

Updated DYK query Did you know? was updated. On January 27, 2007, a fact from the article Rudrapatna, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.


Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 00:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

DYK!

Updated DYK query On 27 January, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rachel Paulose, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Savidan 16:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Comment

Please comment at this talk page. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 21:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Something Quite Interesting

Something Quite Interesting

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Tahmima Anam

I doubt whether she has taken up British citizenship. She studied in USA, and probably moved to UK not too late, so I'm not sure whether the British Bengali cat applies. --Ragib 02:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Undid my edit.Bakaman 02:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi

I only posted a simple question: "Are you Arsath?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Netmonger#Are_you_Arsath.3F

But He has come out with the following lenghthy statement about me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Rajsingam


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RfC

Hi, I've started an RfC Talk:India#Request_for_Comment:_Adding_new_material_to_the_India_page_history_section. Any comments and feedback, at your convenience, will be welcome! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:01, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I've answered your question on the talk page as well, but let me say that there are two issues (i) coming to some consensus on how do deal with both current and future (substantial) edits (this is really the subject of the RfC.) (ii) the issues we are currently bickering over (these are: Talk:India#Indian_Dress (applies to the Culture section of India page), Talk:India#Political_Integration_of_Princely_States_and_other_territories (History section), for the other proposed edits of user:Indianstar, user:AJ-India, and user:Sarvagnya, see Talk:India#Moving_Forward. Thanks! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Your DYK nomination for Prussian Army was successful

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Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 15:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Civility

Please refrain from calling other editors vandals, as you did here: [1]. It is considered an assumption of bad faith and incivility. Take a look at WP:VAND#What_vandalism_is_not; content disputes are not vandalism. Please remember to pursue dispute resolution when you get in a stressful conflict, rather than resorting to impoliteness. Thanks. Dmcdevit·t 09:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Your frivolous edits

You seeem to be doing tendentious and frivolous editing.What is the use of [*BBC: Godhra suspect seeks bail for sex this external link on the serious topic of Godhra train burning.I am afraid, your editing patterns convey an idea that you edit veru improperly on Hindu-Muslim related Indian articles while at the same time editing,creating a few side articles on unrelated subjects.66.79.167.178 10:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

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Hi. I believe this is related to an issue that has interested you in the past. At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion#Category:Jewish_fencers some people are suggesting that Jewish athletes, beginning with Jewish Fencers, should be deleted. I do not think that is the correct approach, or consistent with wiki policy, and thought that others might want to weigh in on the discussion. Tx. --Epeefleche 13:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)--Epeefleche 13:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)--Epeefleche 13:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)--Epeefleche 23:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

"Hkelkar Sock Fantasies"

Why do you still make those long rants about sock fantasies even though you ended up embarassed as usual during the arbcom case? 72.88.144.96 06:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Indian Irish

Hi, thanks for editing my page, but I'm not sure that I can describe myself as 'Indian Irish' I was born in Belfast but left aged two and have few memories. I mean, I wasn't even old enough to drink Guinness :(

Rimi talk 07:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Hindu musicians

Why are you categorizing everybody who's a Hindu and a musician under Category:Hindu musicians? The guidelines clearly state that people should only be categorized by ethnicity or religion if this has significant bearing on their career.

Categorizing Anup Jalota as a Hindu musician is probably justified because he mainly sings Hindu bhajans, but I don't think that being a Hindu had significant bearing on the careers of Ravi Shankar, Rahul Dev Burman, Amit Kumar or Kishore Kumar. utcursch | talk 08:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


Please direct us to that clear statement in the guidelines. I took a look at the guidelines, and have a different take.

See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories) Categorization of people (3.3 Heritage), which demonstrates that something such as "Hindu musicians" is clearly contemplated by Wiki policy. It says: Heritage

People are sometimes categorized by notable ancestry, culture, or ethnicity, depending upon the common conventions of speech for each nationality. A hyphen is used to distinguish the word order: ....The heritage should be combined with the occupation, replacing the nationality alone (for example, Category:African-American actors).

Concurrent citizenship may be reflected by duplicating the occupation (for example, Category:Jewish American actors and Category:Israeli actors)."

Furthermore, as to reflecting the fact that the person is a Hindu in the article ...

1. Wikipedia Manual of Style. The Wikipedia Manual of Style is our guide. It states, in Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies), as follows: "The opening paragraph should give .... Nationality (In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable. Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.)"

2. Nationality. The Wiki definition of "nationality" states, inter alia: "Generally, nationality is established at birth by a child's place of birth (jus soli) and/or bloodline (jus sanguinis)."

3. Ethnicity. If one were to not consider the Hindus a nation, the question as to whether one should include the fact that a person is a Hindu in the opening paragraph of the person's bio could be answered by the the MOS reference to ethnicity.

"Ethnicity", under the Wikipedia definition, includes among its subsets people who have a shared nationality (not the focus of the above exception, obviously), and those who share a religion.

4. Notability Exception. Even with ethnicity, Wiki policy calls for its mention in the opening if it is relevant to the subjects's "notability."

To determine what notability means here, one must go to Wikipedia:Notability (people), the notability criteria guideline for Wikipedia.

That guideline states, inter alia, that "Notability on Wikipedia for people is based on the following criterion: The person has been a primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person. This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, magazine articles, books, scholarly papers, and television documentaries ...."

Thus, where one is noted as being a Hindu in multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person, such as newspaper articles, magazine articles, books, and the like, they meet the notability requirement. And thus it would be appropriate to include that fact in the opening paragraph of their bio.

Notability does not mean that they are famous for being of that group. Or that it has significant bearing on their career

5. Mention Later in the Bio. Even if: a) Hindus were not viewed as a nation; and b) the fact that a person was Hindu were not notable, that would only be reason to suggest under Wiki policy the fact that they are a Hindu should not be mentioned, generally, in the opening paragraph.

There is no suggestion at all in Wiki policy that it should not be mentioned further down in the article.

--Epeefleche 21:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


My RFA

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Thank You,
Bakasuprman/Archive14 for your Support!
Thank you for your support in my RfA, which closed at 111 / 1 / 2. I am humbled and rather shocked to see such kind comments and for it to reach WP:100. Please feel free to leave a note if I have made a mistake or if you need anything, I will start out slow and tackle the harder work once I get accustomed to the tools. Thank you once more, I simply cannot express in words my gratitude.


...fly on littlewing. ~ Arjun 19:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Amey

I never said Hindu=Meatpuppet. I never see as a person as a Hindu or otherwise as others may be doing. But it troubles me to see that a person who has never edited an article suddenly takes interest in it and then decides to revert to a version of a banned user. As long as I am on wikipedia, I will not allow other users to make proxy edits on behalf of banned users. This may not have been the case here, and I have already apologised to Amey for sounding harsh yesterday. I'm also frankly surprised to see you vigorously defending every sock of Hkelkar. - Aksi_great (talk) 09:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar

I have no problem with him being called an Indian since he was of Tamil descent.I also don't want any Pakistan tag there on the talkpage and my mind is made up about it since he really has nothing to do with Pakistan except for the fact that he was born there. The only problem I have is you claiming that Lahore was in India.Lahore(along with the rest of Pakistan) was never part of India,which did not exist till augest 15th 1947.--Nadirali نادرالی

Fine that'll do for the time being.--Nadirali نادرالی

Just out of curiosity. But, what is now known as Pakistan was a part of India. See Partition of India article. Lahore and Karachi were important cities of the country, till it was partitioned. Perhaps, Bakaman would have the sources for the contentions I have made. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 08:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

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award

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Hello Baka, this barnstar is awarded for your involvement in tryining resolve Sri Lankan conflict related articles. Thanks RaveenS 17:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

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I don't get it. How is a blnguy a primate? >Radiant< 10:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

West Bengal Portal

Portal:West Bengal has been vastly improved by riana_dzasta and S.D. ¿п?, with automated selection of articles. It is now a Featured portal candidate. Please have a look. Regards -- P.K.Niyogi 02:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

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National Development Front

I am trying to merge the two different views on this article (National Development Front)together. Please co-operate with this effort. Sundaram7 09:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject History of Bangladesh

WikiProject History of Bangladesh has started. It needs members and participants. Aditya Kabir 11:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

user talk:Hkelkar

I am baffled as to why you tagged an Urdu comment on Hkelkar's talkpage as made by user:Nadirali, when in fact it was made by user:MirzaGhalib. Please explain yourself on the ArbCom evidence page. Rama's arrow 22:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

ArbCom case

Thanks Baka for bringing it to my notice. I'll resist the temptation to react knee-jerkishly, but will read through the whole page and add my honest considered opinion in a day or two. I know that you'll expect nothing else. Abecedare 02:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC)