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Removal of chunks from BJP page

My dear sir,

I humbly bring to your attention the following edit where you, esteemed sir, have removed very relevant items from BJP page.This includes references to the Poisonous CD controversy to which most if not all Indian newspapers have published special sections.

Most respected Sir, You have been a great contributor on Wikipedia that can be seen on Wikipedia but Sir, I don't understand the need to soften the criticism of the once ruling Indian party.

So Sir, please see below: You have removed the headlined section and put it without mentioning any background as "In its judgement the election commission called on the party to strongly condemn the CD, failing which it reserves the demand to derecognise the party.The commission took note of media reports of statements of senior BJP leaders including L K Advani, Kalyan Singh and Lalji Tandon that said there was nothing offensive in the CD but in fact they supported its contents.[1]"

Also Sir, you have put this [2]Indianexpress link] which mentions the episode in passing while , sir, you have removed three very relevant links 1,[[3] 2] and 3 at the same time very respeted sir, you have marked one of your edits with following comments (→Controversy surrounding Bangaru Laxman - rm meaningless nonsense. yadav anyone?) .Sir, please let me know if there is some fault with my edits , that I can correct, you are lovely sir.Terminador 22:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed portions by Sir,

===Threat of Derecognition=== + In its judgement the election commission called on the party to strongly condemn a CD filed by the BLP alleged to be Anti-Muslim, failing which it reserves the demand to derecognise the party. The commission took note of media reports of statements of senior BJP leaders including L K Advani, Kalyan Singh and Lalji Tandon that said there was nothing offensive in the CD but in fact they supported its contents.[4] - While the election process for the Uttar Pradesh legislature in 2007 went on, the news channel IBN7 came out with a CD that it received during the BJP's state campaign material launch. With statements reportedly [5] like like "Muslim youths are behind elopement of Hindu girls, they get support from their parents and clerics. Hindu girls are then forced to adopt Islam... Madrasa teachers are engaged in anti-national activities, still Mulayam gives aid to madrasas"[6], the Election commission took notice of the distribution of the CD and filed a first information report with the state police; and, in addition, sought a report from the party to the reason why it should not be derecognised for violating the election code [7]. The BJP apologised and withdrew the CDs; a prominent member of the state party, Lalji Tandon, asserted that the central leadership had asked the distributors to remove material from the CD that may be construed as "objectionable" but their request was not heeded.

and Sir added the following portion: - - In its judgement the election commission called on the party to strongly condemn the CD, failing which it reserves the demand to derecognise the party.The commission took note of media reports of statements of senior BJP leaders including L K Advani, Kalyan Singh and Lalji Tandon that said there was nothing offensive in the CD but in fact they supported its contents.[8] -

Thanks Terminador 22:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Entry for Swami Shankarananda

Dear Sri Bakasuprman,

I was happy to see the Wiki page on my Guru, Swami Shankarananda, that you constructed. Thank you for that. I notice that it has been marked for deletion. Some of the points they are making are correct, but others are not. It is true that calling him Australia’s leading meditation teacher probably doesn’t fit the Wikipedia format but, on the other hand, books by Swamiji are listed on OCLC. Furthermore, I can provide you with third party references. I feel that Swamiji merits an entry. The only inaccuracy I would call your attention to is that Swamiji is a disciple of Swami Muktananda Paramahamsa of Ganeshpuri, not Ram Dass. It is true that Ram Dass was an early inspiration; he was the catalyst that impelled Swamiji to find a teacher in India. I notice that you are on a wikibreak so I don’t know if this will reach you. If you are interested in editing the article I can send you biographical facts and third person references. Please let me know. If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to write. With thanks, Utpaladev 01:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

My edits removed from BJP page

Honourable Sir, You have removed the [entire chunk] of my contribution to the BJP page which I had added whilst putting a commentary on the talk page.Could your esteemed self please let me the reason of this sudden editing away of my edits without assigning any reason.

Kind Regards, Sir, I am new to this stuff maybe you can let me know if this is a standard practice on Wikipedia to edit away others contributions without stating why.I will remain indebted to you.

Terminador 01:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


You wrote this to me: Wikipedia is not an advertising service. Promotional articles about yourself, your friends, your company or products, or articles created as part of a marketing or promotional campaign, will be deleted in accordance with our deletion policies. For more information, see Wikipedia:Spam.

I put up information for donations on a site about a woman's rights and violence relief site. Godalmighty. That is not a friend or a product.

As a man from that region, perhaps you are threatened by women's rights groups. Get over it. If you continue to harass this woman's site, I'll complain.JP

Again, STOP HARASSING ME, and stop harassing the site on woman's rights. It is the new millennium. DO deal with it, honey.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by JP (talkcontribs).


Well mate, I'm not sure I agree. If that category were to be added to the Caste page, I would object. Globally, caste is probably not derived from Hinduism. However, I would argue that castes in the Indian subcontinent were developed in a society that was overwhelmingly Hindu. But if you want to make another article, you should talk to admin Utcursch. Maybe he can offer some good advice. Cheers. Agoras 03:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Jat people

I don't think anybody will support the deletion -- it will be argued that this is just like other categories ( Category:Assamese people, Category:Bengali people etc.), since Jat people are also an ethnic group. utcursch | talk 04:17, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Ngo Dinh Diem

Hello, Bakasuprman.

We need to discuss your edits. Dr. Mark Moyar (cited in the article) has recently published a history of Vietnam War that makes a convincing case that Diem did not persecute the Buddhists. For example, Dr. Moyar documents that Diem had more Buddhists in his cabinet (8) than any other denomination, that the Buddhist protests only began in May 1963 because of Diem's decision to enforce a long-standing ordinance against all religious denominations, and these protests were perpetuated in part by Communist infiltrators and exaggerated by the media. You may not buy all of this, but I think we need to present both points of view.--VnTruth 19:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Madame Nhu's big mouth caused a lot of mischief. I'll be in touch.--VnTruth 20:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Good evening, B.

I've revised the Buddhist paragraph to make it clear that the assertions contained therein represent one, albeit majority, POV. Let me know if you have any problems with the edits. I'll probably insert a couple of paragraphs stating the revisionist POV (and describing it as such) in the near future. --VnTruth 21:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Indrajit Gupta

I have expanded Indrajit Gupta and submitted it for DYK. Regards. -- P.K.Niyogi 06:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Crveni Krst (Belgrade)

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--howcheng {chat} 06:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


Hey, Thank man. Traver Rebello 18:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

i'm not leaving

but i'm exactly happy with what's going on.--D-Boy 20:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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Wiki Raja

I have indef-blocked Wiki Raja as a block evading sockpuppet of User:Indrancroos. I came to this decision taking a look at the evidence listed at the RfCU page and discussing the issue with User:Dmcdevit. - Aksi_great (talk) 17:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Hindutva propganda

Smells of WP:UNDUE ... its aboot the time it is AfD'd... Amey Aryan DaBrood© 18:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

it would help if you can come on Gtalk... Amey Aryan DaBrood© 18:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


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Axxn 07:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, about Indonesia.... the figures given by PHDI ia anyway inflated..... I visited their site.... Not a word in English.... So difficult to get any information..... Like Vietnam.... I have no idea how many hindus are there.............


Hi - I've told user:WIN and now you to not make things personal and emotional. Even though his tone was threatening, Dab was not doing anything wrong when he warned you about the opening of an arbitration case. Dab has his behavior problems, but that is no excuse - if you honestly feel he is causing problems, then pursue proper dispute resolution yourself. The issue of Hindutva propaganda will be decided by the AfD debate consensus. Rama's arrow 16:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Shahbag/archive2

I have just put the article to peer review. Would you care to take a look? Aditya Kabir 20:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Two things

Firstly, Ragib has requested assistance in one of your favourite areas of writing here at the Hindu Noticeboard.

And secondly...

Tireless Contributor Barnstar.gif The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
A Barnstar for the terrific effort you put into creating DYKs! GizzaChat © 11:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

(Your "Awards" page was looking a little shallow :p)

Watch it

Your normal tendency to stretch the truth or make broad, sweeping statements based on no information whatever was on display again here. [11]. I don't edit when logged out. That implies an inability to justify my edits, which I never display, unlike others. Hornplease 19:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

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Summary of Devadasi arguments

Just as a disclaimer, I have to say that I know close to nothing about the caste structure in India, or really that much about Devadasis. I became involved because there was a whitewashed version being forced in by a Hkelkar sockpuppet awhile back. Furthermore, the two users have very difficult to understand arguments, but here goes:

  • Mudaliar showed up one day and added a poorly structured rant about Kaikolars (apparently a caste) yielding devadasis. He originally sourced this with 'google searches' and used a lot of bold text. Now he is more organized but I still don't see his arguments as making sense. He cites a few sources that discuss some Kaikolars in South India giving girls to be devadasis by tradition. He also attaches this to the Chola empire, saying that they helped the Chola empire gain prominence. While it seems his sources are good, I cannot check them (obscured by registration) and have the feeling that he is gravely misinterpreting them. To get to the point, Mudaliar is taking sources discussing some devadasi traditions in parts of South India and purporting this to mean that Kaikolars are the 'source' of devadasis for all India. He further asserts that Kaikolars are the same as some other caste (Segunthar or Isai-Vellar, something like that). For one, I'm rather certain that devadasis don't all originate only with the Kaikolar, and his sources didn't seem to be supporting that, so I moved the information into a more specific section. I mean, if they exist all over India, it is implausible that they are 'made' in Kaikolar-land and then shipped all over the subcontinent!
  • Venki123 seems to take particular offense to one of the caste 'equations' that Mudaliar makes, saying that he is misportraying one of those castes as the same as Kaikolar. He further asserts that Mudaliar is doing this to take the devadasi-shame off of one of the castes that Mudaliars are apparently part of. Specifically, he claims that Mudaliar is trying to "slander" the Segunthar caste. Sorry it is very vague; try taking a look at their rants and maybe you will understand better than I.

Anyway, all I have done so far is move those Kaikolar 'facts' to a specific section. I also called for an expansion to cover more Indian states because Mudaliar said his Kaikolar thing should be universal to the article if no other states are covered. I felt expansion was needed to prevent Mudaliar from carrying his 'universal' misinterpretation back to the more general level. Fortunately, Venki123 obliged and added info about other regions/groups. It isn't sourced correctly but at least it is there.

Please, try to figure out the deal there. The two are battling over this caste defamation issue across a number of pages and don't appear to stop anytime soon. I'll give Venki123 some credit for actually trying mediation, though he listed an absurd number of parties and so I don't think it will go through. As you know I asked someone on the ANI to review their edits and block them for awhile. It seems to be forgotten by the admins, but hopefully someone will get around to it. Then, you can move in and sort things out. Hopefully then won't sock the page during this time. But come on, of course they will. Anyway, I am sorry about the lack of clarity here but I'm really in over my head at this point. Thanks for taking up the challenge! The Behnam 01:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


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wikipedians define a troll, and everyone gets the enlightenment Lightbulb.png. --Bhadani (talk) 19:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I thought that you should also get some light. --Bhadani (talk) 19:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Another zealot has come to light, it seems, sigh - I am sure you do not sigh much like many others as excessive sighing is dangerous symptoms: [[12]]. --Bhadani (talk) 19:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

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Majorly's RfB

Hey Bakasuprman, thanks for your kind support in my RfB. Sadly, it didn't pass, but I appreciate the support, and I do intend to run again eventually. Happy editing! Majorly (o rly?) 03:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


I think it would be better to go for formal dispute resolution. utcursch | talk 04:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Hindutva propaganda

What is your opinion on this, it's a phenomenon ripping Wikipedia apart from the seams, with fanatical supporters of Swami Vivekananda and his RSS revising history to make people believe lies. Think of all the children that enter Wikipedia and see this revisionist history and will need deprogramming in the future. I commend our maintsream admins. I support the neutrality and common non-OR sense of our admins. By the way, did you know that Swami Vivekananda himself used to write propaganda and publish it in Voice of India. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 23:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

It's called sarcasm baka........your response to these comments suggest you are the anti-Hindu troll. Add that to your list of names if you want....—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 23:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC).


Dear Bakasuprman, you reverted a non-vandalism edit by another user who had provided an edit summary here. It is considered very bad form to use a tool to revert the good faith edit of another user, especially when that user provides an edit summary justifying/explaining their edit. If you are going to revert another editor, please do it manually and use an edit summary explaining why you are reverting. Reverting with an edit tool is solely for undoing obvious vandalism.—Perceval 05:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

It was not vandalism. You clearly disagree with the other editor, but using a revert tool to undo their good faith edit (even if it was wrong-headed) is poor form. Next time, revert manually and leave an explanation in the edit summary.—Perceval 22:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

People from Kashmir

There already exists a Category:People from Jammu and Kashmir and yet another category of Kashmiri people and now you have created another category by name of People of Kashmir.It is unnecessary I feel.;Shyamsunder 12:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


Stop violating Wiki policy on Words to avoid.[[13]] I already mentioned this to you before, so i dont understand why you keep on doing this. I will revert your edits, and if you continue to do this i will file a complaint against you. IP198 14:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

But seriously...

Isn't it a bit broad to include under 'anti-____(religion)' links under the 'see also' section? I removed antisemitism originally since it doesn't really have anything to do with the anti-Hindu prejudices. I have now added the other links since it seems we are simply linking to other religious prejudices, but I'm hoping you will consider changing that approach and removing all three of them. I think we should stick to stuff that actually has to do with the anti-Hindu prejudice. Tell me what you think. Also, you still feel up to devadasi? The Behnam 23:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, why was this edit [14] characterized as minor with no edit summary? Seems like a 'major' amount of content. The Behnam 23:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Please also consider that those three are already linked in the "Discrimination" template on the right. Realizing that I'm going to remove them all, since there is no point repeating them. The Behnam 23:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Yup I've taken care of the redundancy. Thanks for looking into that devadasi thing, as it is way over my head. And those two users' stupid war is probably going to ArbCom now. It is ridiculous. Anyway, what exactly is going on at the anti-Hinduism page? Just for starters it may help to cut down on non-RS sources, especially for multiply ref'd statements, such as this source [15]. The Behnam 00:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, that is a good start. Generally, I don't think that people will find as many reasons to undo tons of stuff if the stuff itself is sourced well. Hence we keep 'Hindu American Foundation' kind of stuff, and get rid of... whatever that thing was. The 'denigrations' page. The Behnam 00:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


Apparently you are also a Muslim man who "jumped all over" the Mukhtar Mai page. At least I see no other user to be the third man [16][17], so I think it is implied. Better add that to your list of accusations! The Behnam 00:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

See [18]. --Ragib 00:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

FYI regarding two AfDs

Namaste. FYI, I nominated Pooja_Kumar_-_Bharatanatyam_dancer for speedy deletion on the basis of spam and non-notability, and only now have noticed that you had made an edit on Pooja Kumar (model) which is also up for deletion. I just wanted to be sure that you were aware that both pages were AfD at the moment in case you wanted to be involved. Best wishes, Buddhipriya 03:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment on the notability. Apparently what happened is that after I tagged the dancer page for speedy deletion, User:Mahayogini, who has been making a lot of unsourced changes to content on various pages, tagged the model page for deletion. You may want to take a look at her edit path. I have placed enough warnings on her talk page already and hesitate to place more. Buddhipriya 03:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Alamgir Kabir (filmmaker)

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Regarding Devadasi

I just added information about how some Kaikolars were dedicated as Devadasis in South India. I have given more than 10 valid academic references. Venki123 (talk · contribs) is not allowing me to add this information and constantly edit-wars with me on this issue. He further manipulates the "Kaikolar" name at his own discretion. The articles are all research articles and books that quote numerous references to Kaikolar Devadasis and clearly say that the caste name is Kaikolar and they identify with the "Terinja-Kaikolar-Padai" (literally "known kaikolar soldiers" or personal bodyguards in Tamil) in the Chola empire. You can check out the evidence at the [19] or Devadasi:Talk Mudaliar 02:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Its just objective. I made an edit to Devadasi backed by valid references. I have just been labelled and swore at with a variety of names after this. I thought the spirit of wikipedia was to make constructive edits. I don't believe my edit "kaikolar Devadasis in South India and Chola Empire" (small compared to other info in Devadasi) is defamatory. You mean to say that my edit is more defamatory than this:[20]?Mudaliar 02:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks wrt Setalvad

Guy seems to want to keep on putting his POV. His edit history shows 'interesting' changes made to several topics. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mikeslackenerny (talkcontribs) 03:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

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Satyanand stokes and vidya stokes

Hello Bakasuprman you are right, Their relationship- they both are human beings. Just kidding. I never said that they have any relationship. Did I? Thanks Sushant gupta 11:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Vidya Stokes is the daughter in law (married to his youngest son Lal Chand Stokes) of Satyananda. [21]Lost(talk) 14:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot Lost for enhancing my knowledge regarding these two, Hey Bakasuprman, my work was based on only Vidya Stokes. I never edited anything about Satyanand Stokes. But yes I added a link to Satyanand Stokes in the Template:History HP. Are you interested in editing regarding Himachal Pradesh topics. Tell me as soon as possible. Good Day. Sushant gupta 11:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


In regards to this comment, Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 14:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is meant for human beings, not monkeys. "Eye for an eye" is NOT an excuse - the warning stands. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 17:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I thought it was meant for buffalo.Bakaman 22:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Book about Devamrita Swami

Hey. You'll find you're actually referring to Bhakti Tirtha Swami, and book "Black Lotus". Thanks for the heads up though. Chopper Dave 22:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Re:Iskcon incident

Incase you missed it, Dave has provided these links (below) on Suhotra Prabhu. The news story called him Suhotra Maharaj out of respect. Ys, Gouranga(UK) 15:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

That'll be Suhotra Prabhu probably [22] [23] [24] Chopper Dave 21:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Merging American-Born Confused Desi

Hello Bakaman,

I've nominated American-Born Confused Desi to be merged with South Asian American. I've given my reasons here. I saw your comments on the page, and I thought you might be interested in joining the discussion. --vi5in[talk] 17:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

So said the Master

  • experienced wikipedian circumventing the civility
    • "Invertebrate organisms thus are comprised of a collection of sub-brains, each of which controls a separate part of the animal with fairly complete autonomy and no real centralized control. Sensors and their ganglia tend to cluster nearer the head, making not a true brain as we understand the term but rather a large bundle of distinct fibers." [25]. --Bhadani (talk) 17:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
      • BTW you may be aware of Central Institute of Psychiatry located in my home town Ranchi. They care for the patients very well. In case, you want to refer someone, please feel free to message me through wikipedia mail. Regards. --Bhadani (talk) 17:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Hindu physicians

I have nominated Category:Hindu physicians for deletion. In general, the intersection between religion and profession does not seem meaningful in this particular case. If you wish to comment, you may do so at WP:CFD. Dr. Submillimeter 15:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


Yes, it would be ok. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 01:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Attempt to delete category of Jewish athletes

Well, they are trying to delete a category of Jewish athletes again. This time, figure skaters. See . I pointed out to the originator of the attempt that we had addressed this general issue already with Jewish fencers, where the attempt failed (due in part to your help). Still, they insist on trying to delete this category. Any help by your weighing in on the issue would be appreciated. Thanks again. --Epeefleche 00:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)--Epeefleche 20:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge for American Born Confused Desi

Hello Bakaman,

I have added a paragraph to the "Identity" section in South Asian American, which explains the term "ABCD". I was wondering if you could take a look at it. Thanks --vi5in[talk] 16:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

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The follwing article is being tagged to be peer reviewed. Your input will be much appreciatedRaveenS Thanks, Baka

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The endless war at Anti-Hinduism

I am concerned about the edit war going on there. The wording that you restored adds unspecified broadness that is probably a POV projected from a source; to establish "certain" people is much better than "many" in this situation. Perhaps of more concern is that you and others have restored sections that use 'dead' references, such as [26][27]. I cannot tell whether those sources are receiving due weight or are being neutrally described because they no longer exist. You look silly restoring dead links so re-edit to remove these sources and any ideas drawn from them. Thanks. The Behnam 22:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Do I need to remove the dead information myself?
Never mind, they started working again. The Behnam 04:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


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H. Sudarshan

Hi, I saw your edit on this article where you have categorised it to Hindu revivalists. I dont see any link of Sudarshan with Hindu revivalism. I hope you are not confusing H. Sudarshan with K. S. Sudarshan. Please clarify -- Amarrg 15:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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Goa Inquisition

Please see the talk page as to why I have removed the section Massacre of Muslims. --Deepak D'Souza (talkcontribs) 04:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Disputed Article

In the article Great power you recently edited and added a sentence which is disputed and baseless in terms of research and sparks up a debate "defeated Pakistan in all 3 wars" on who won or who lost discuss your arguements here. This is against the five pillars of Wikipedia and NPOV policy. Please read the Wikipedia:Five pillars and Wikipedia:NPOV before editing any further. Faraz 01:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Is that a threat? if you add that part in the article again, I will contact the head of military related articles in terms of dispute and I'm pretty sure he will take actions against your edits as they are clear violations of Wikipedia policy. Faraz 01:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
No, it is not an accepted fact. Get your facts right according to the Wikipedia articles on 1947, 1965 and 1999 wars were stalemate none were won by any opponent. Faraz 01:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I dont speak troll. Perhaps Nadirali (talk · contribs) could translate your message for me?Bakaman 01:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I have contacted a member of the Arbitration Committee. lets wait and see what happens. Faraz 02:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid I am not that knowledgeable in India's past wars with Pakistan and it's quest for great power status, I just have a basic overview and have heard in the past about the Pakistani media's tendency to exaggerate. I do not want to get involved in an edit war with Faraz here, who believes his point of view very strongly. Traing 08:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


You have been blocked for meatpuppetry and sockpuppetry - please see this ANI report. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 02:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)



Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Humus sapiens (talk · contribs) has unblocked the user temporarily so that he may provide his arguments at the WP:AN/I post regarding his block.

Request handled by: Nishkid64 (talk) 23:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Here are my responses to Rama's Arrow's crusade to defame me. I will not be editing here for a long time while I sort out who double-crossed me and attacked me, and who are the real wikipedians.
  • I never attacked bhadani, nor have I maligned him in any way, considering him as a wikipedian I respect
  • I have not "Taken orders" from Hkelkar, I am most capable of understanding my own worldview. There are many users with similar POV's as well
  • Hkelkar, contrary to popular belief, has not kept me in the loop about his sockpuppetry and has not listened the many times we have told him to stop. I do not ask him to revert, edit, or exist on wikipedia, he does so on his own and against the wishes of many of us who actually hope new users on Hinduism topics are just that, new users.
  • I do not post to forums ranting and recruiting acolytes on Hindutva whine boards. Hindu Unity is full of retards who have seizures when they see an Indian woman being kissed by a foreigner. It does not bother me in the least bit who does what. In fact, posting there would be counterproductive since it is people like HU that make Hindutva look like a group of fanatics
  • I have not violated 3RR ever nor do I need to. Wikipedia will be here tomorrow, a fact Hkelkar never understood. The fiasco at Great Power is a prime example of this.
  • Rumplestiltskin was not known by me to be hkelkar's sockpuppet, and I was rather disappointed hkelkar would resort to these tricks. After that, I am certain I have not advocated for "Hkelkar" under any guise.
  • Aksi's appeal to WP:Wikilawyering is a joke. Sarvagnya drives the point home. Nobody can deny that I have my own POV. Hkelkar does not order me around. It is quite obvious I have eccentric tastes in editing and am not accountable to anyone. I have made edits in line with Hkelkar's POV even when he was on wiki. Am I supposed to have an epiphany and stop?
  • The evidence Rama has is an assertion. I have called his bluff. My part in the emails was encouraging the other users to get their head out of the toilet and work on India related pages, Hinduism related pages, and to build bridges with other users. Not scheming and proxying.
  • Potential Personal attack and incivility problems are dealt with an RFC, WP:MEDCABAL. Then comes Arbcom, after an RFC or medcabal. Not with an unjustified 6 month vigilante block based on an ambiguous construct, false assumptions, faulty casual relation, faulty analogical reasoning and evidence that does not corroborate to his invalid assertions. That and the fact that he wished to attack me in an opprobrious manner.
I will not be active in the near future.Bakaman 22:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Rahul Gandhi

No, there are no new incidents that I am aware of. Only some statements from Congress on the same issue. But there is no point elaborating too much on this one issue in the article. --Knverma 20:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Unblocked conditionally

I have conditionally unblocked you. Please see [28]. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens ну? 23:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

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A request for arbitration has been filed involving you. You may be unblocked to enable participation in the process. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 21:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Scheme is obviously used in relation to the allegations of "scheming" with hkelkar. The scheme was the system, i.e. the email list I was a part of.Bakaman 23:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Alain Daniélou

We had a little edit conflict on the Alain Daniélou page where you kept removing the ”LGBT people from France” category, which I kept re-inserting. Now you’ve removed the reference to his boyfriend on the page (resulting in a grammatically incorrect sentence!) and removed the category again. Come on. I take it you don’t approve of Daniélou’s sexuality, and he converted to your religion, but again, come on! With all the hundreds of millions of Hindus, there must be thousands doing stuff that you don’t approve of ... please stop trying to cover up inconvenient facts about this particular convert. Bossk-Office 18:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Provide a reliable source for his preferences and we'll call it good. Bakaman 00:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

He wrote about it in his autobiography ... I don’t see a way to add a footnote to an article category, so I’m just putting the reference on his talk page for now. It’s not something I made up to vandalise the article. Bossk-Office 23:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

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If I were you I would double-check from someone on ArbCom whether you can resume normal editing; you may have been unblocked just for the case, and to edit the RfArb page. Hornplease 00:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

If I were you I would double check if I was a user Bakaman would give a picosecond of his time to.Bakaman 22:29, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


Hey en fant terrible! Listen! Don't put on the tag of converted Hindu on Aashish Khan's page. Instead go for the press release and see what exactly Mr Khan said. Mr Khan emphasised that their origins were Hinduism. That DOES NOT MEAN that he is a converted Hindu. Stop doing nonsensical works. And stop using slangs. Lastly, oil your own machine. Sarodiya 22:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Swami Ramdev

Hi Baka;

What's the arbitration procedure on Wiki - looks like Hornplease has no argument other than "look up rules" while he continue to delete and insert edits that include using incorrect English. Thanks


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Re: Request for assistance to counter biasing of Indian articles

Dear Bakasuprman,

I am requesting your assistance in dealing with a user who routinely biases indian articles by interweaving discredited colonial theories, original research, and fanwank.

  • He uses obsolete colonial works to note false greek influences on sanskrit
  • He has knitted together 3 maps (2 of which are inaccurate and mischaracterized) and stated that the indo greeks ruled all over northern india and parts of Maharashtra (debunked and discredited colonial theories) [[29]]
  • He has rejected compromise and reneged on agreements.
  • He has committed original research violations by interpreting primary sources directly and has created inaccurate maps that he changes at his own whim)[[30]]
  • He has wrongly credited foreign influences on india ranging from astronomy (he originally wrote that the greeks gave india astronomy) to mahayana buddhism
  • He wrote that the greeks helped chandragupta conquer the nandas (contradicted by eminent scholars)
  • He engages in fanwank (i.e. Yamuna page where he insists that seleucus' campaigns be mentioned, even when he did not reach the yamuna, simply because people who like greek history--as he does--would find that interesting. Must we add the british, dutch, and turkish discoveries as well?)

As such, I would greatly appreciate your assistance. If you could please add your support in my appeal to the wikipedia administration in correcting the Indo Greek article (which he rules as a personal fiefdom), that would make a big difference. His work is quietly diluting the accuracy and quality of indian articles, and I truly hope we can put end to that. Users vastu, pavanapuram,windy city dude, and mahitgar have already called that contributor's practices into question. Your assistance and voice would be welcome. Thank you for your time and understanding.


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Swami Shankarananda Saraswati

I nominated this article for deletion.

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Please check article

Baka, some edit somewhere on 2002 Gujarat violence resulted in disruption of the formatting at the bottom of the article, making it unreadable. I corrected the format problem by reverting back to an older version that did not have the formatting problem: [31]. This revert was done to fix the structural issue, and I really am not sure what content issues were involved. You may want to look at the article to check if whatever issue you were trying to fix is still fixed or if a closer edit is needed. Buddhipriya 07:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

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Rough and Tough

Thanks, I will surely be abiding all the rules and regulations. Thanks for your useful resource. I will surely go through each of these articles and follow the rules.


Your Hindi is weak, as is the point you're trying to make. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 19:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Your nefarious references to Dbachmann and pestering me on double-meaning religious and political basis construes harassment and against WP:CIV/WP:NPA. I strongly advise you against such behavior - if you have anything to say to/about me and/or Dab that is pertinent to the ArbCom case, do so there. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 07:24, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:Hindu Unity

This page User:Abecedare/Maleabroad#Introduction provides part of the reason why I started searching through their forums. I don't have the time now to find the exact place, but if you check either Abecedare's, User:GourangaUK, User:Buddhipriya's or User:Orpheus' talk pages, someone (I think it was Orpheus or Aldux, though I can't truly remember) discovered that User:Maleabroad had tried to recruit meatpuppets from the site. His username on HU is "Brown Hindu."

It would have only been a matter until someone on Wikipedia (ie. those who regularly detect Maleabroad sockpuppets) found about the others users who engaged with Brown Hindu's recruitment messages. One of which was Jesussucks, whose knowledge of Wikipedia was too intricate for him to be a "Wiki-newbie." You are welcome to ask Orpheus for further information on how he discovered Brown Hindu/Maleabroad on HU or who was the actual person to discover this fact. GizzaChat © 09:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring with Anwar

It looks to me like you've been making a lot of reverts of Anwar today at Hinduism, Tamil Nadu Muslim Munnetra Kazagham, and Babri Mosque. There are some problems with this. As far as I can see, none of your reverts on those three pages have been accompanied by discussion. It looks like you are making blind reverts without providing rationales, simply giving edit summaries like "rvv" (which stands for "revert vandalism," when it clearly isn't) or the undo autosummary. Instead please engage in discussion to resolve the dispute, otherwise the two of you will simply continue reverting. I am especially worried by this summary: [32]. Aside from the fact that there is no libel involved here, indicating a desire to edit war ("can do this all day") is very disruptive. Edit wars are prohibited, please use dispute resolution instead, no matter how reprehensible you find the editor or his views. Dmcdevit·t 19:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not interested in what the content dispute is about. It's not vandalism in my eyes, as someone not a part of the dispute, because I have no reason to think he doesn't believe it. Vandalism implies a deliberate attempt to harm the integrity of the encyclopedia with misinformation, not inserting one's POV as a result of thinking it is NPOV. I asked him not to edit war, and if he continues after that, he'll hear from me. But, if, as an outside observer, I were to accept your characterization of this user, I would still tell you the same thing. We don't deal with trolls at Wikipedia by becoming them, by stooping to their level and warring with them. Instead, we assume good faith and give things like mediation a try when we have conflicts, and if that doesn't work because they can't operate in a collaborative environment, then we have community measures in place to block them or otherwise resolve the situation. But it's not through fighting with them. Dmcdevit·t 19:52, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
To be clear, you said "If you feel it is necessary, I'll start a discussion on Talk:Hinduism about which word to use."—I would appreciate that, thanks! Dmcdevit·t 19:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


Hi Bakaman.. Thanks a lot for the award! I feel guilty that my contributions have really gone down in the past few months. Real life has become very hectic these days but I hope I will be active again sometime soon... — Lost(talk) 02:49, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Your support

Thanks for your support and the kind words. Its these words that keep me going.Dineshkannambadi 00:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)



I have reverted your edit to the Idolatry article. Blanking a section does not serve to improve Wikipedia: could I trouble you to correct the misinformation (with appropriate references if you have them, of course) instead of simply deleting it?


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Updated DYK query Did you know? was updated. On 28 May, 2007, a fact from the article Perugia Cathedral, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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seems unfair....

...of you to blame Hornplease of betraying "his ideological mentors" after you do this. Nice try, but I know I know where you got the idea from. Hypocrisy 101, especially as you accuse me of meatpuppetry with Kelkar despite the fact that I indef'd him personally.... Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 01:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Reverting Nadirali was only b'coz Rumpel's sockpuppet identity hadn't been established then - Nadirali's act was the same as you wanting to stick a "sock of Bhaisaab" tag on his userpage. You hadn't been too supportive of Rumpel's sock-banning either, my friend. I am honored by your mention of me as your "ideological mentor," but a bit surprised, given that you stood perpetually against my "ideology" of WP:NPOV and sent me sweet gurudakshina with messages like "Monkey See, Monkey Do." I wish I was your mentor - then maybe, you'd be a better person. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 01:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


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