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Get a life of your own

There are an equal amount of users who don't support making wiki a soapbox for peoples anti-Hindu hatred. Also Haphar, you deserved a block for calling me a sock when I have 500 more edits than you and of course baiting Neta countless timesBakaman Bakatalk 22:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

You had posted this on User whoohookitty's page, at that time I wanted to stay of the topic, hence did not respond, now I will.

So what has anti Hindu hatred got to do with me ? You and Neta called me a sock about a month ago, I responded, so if I deserve a block so do you. The discussion between Neta and me is between him and me, you are baiting by jumping in here so please do not go aound pointing out things that you are yourself indulging in.( and on every issue Neta get's involved in). So either get a life of your own and then maybe someone would think that you have some edits and you are not following one user around like a newbie or live with the tag of a lackey. You may have 5000 more edits, but to follow others lead shows a lack of confidence.Haphar 22:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

This is a personal attack.Shiva's Trident 07:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Trident when your opinion is wanted it would be solicited. Haphar 22:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
What are you asking about responses ? Did not understand. Haphar 22:22, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


I was a member and used to be a teacher. I know what I am taking about and can provide the refences. If you don't, please do check the references. No, they are not some Satanic cult but, frankly, you really do not know what you are talking about on this one. Thanks. 00:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. This is a quote from their own website:
"Dada witnessed in his vision the destruction. He saw that very powerful bombs had been manufactured and were being fired. He saw guided missiles with warheads of such devastating potency that whole regions of earth were burnt up in a moment. Gigantic fireballs, cities in flame, unbearable storms of fire were raging everywhere. When he received his visions, America had not dropped the first atomic bombs:
Dada also saw how the death came slower through wars and civil wars, culminating in an awesome wave of natural catastrophes: floods and tidal waves, earthquakes of every kind wreaking havoc on the scarred face of the earth. Dada began to tremble uncontrollably upon witnessing the scenes of this great world wide destruction. Humans and animals were running wildly about, trying to save their lives, to escape from the jaws of death. But there was no escape. The wail of horror, the rivers of blood and pus, the panic and the desperation, and then, the final death."
Destruction was predicted for 1975/6 first, then 86 to 96 ... then 2000 ... they are still using it to encourage folk this year. Big re-write going on. Oh, let me tell you the bit about how at Destruction when all the billions are killed how the souls of the dead will all be trying to enter the bodies of any living human beings that are left ... Yup, it is all true. Now you better convert double quick and start doing your meditation and giving your money to them. 04:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Did it

Finished with the archieving of talk page. all done. Freedom skies 07:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion review

I just put it up for CfD.... Anyway, deletion review is good. Rama's arrow 16:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

hindu politicians

what i am supposed to do to prevent its deletion.nids(♂) 16:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello. I put the db tag as per the rule. The category had previously been deleted by consensus - See this. Hence the db tag. It should have been sent to deletion review first. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 18:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Till a clear criteria for inclusion is defined, I will keep my delete vote. It is good that you removed the sentence about the Sangh parivar and BJP. At present it is very unclear. Look at the reasoning given by User:Subhash bose. I have nothing against him, but you can see that what confusion can arise in the mind of anyone who visits the category. "There are many politicians in India and in other countries who are both of the Hindu faith as well as who campaign for issues that are pertinent and relevant to all Hindus regardless of sub-denomination". Does that mean that you are going to include people who are not Hindu but affiliated to Hindu causes (people like Shahnawaz Hussain - in BJP but not Hindu). "Members of the previouss center-right coalition govt, as well as members of various parties such as BJP definitely come under the category of Hindu politician." That means you, or others who will add people to the category are limiting yourself to certain kinds of people. Who should decide which people were center-right or otherwise? The main reason why the earlier category was deleted was because many politicians were added who were not Hindu. And what about Hindu politicians outside of India? Is this limited to India alone? If you can clarify the criteria for inclusion and keep a regular check on who should make it to the cat and who doesn't, then I am ready to change my vote. Hope you can see why I am concerned. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 18:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
It would be reassuring to know that you will keep an eye on it. Anyways, I have gone ahead and expanded the criteria for inclusion. I am changing my vote to neutral on your assurance that POV will be kept out of this cat, and that all politicians will at some point be included to be a category of real importance. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
By POV I would mean keeping politicians in the cat for only reasons that they have a pro-Hindu bias or are part of the Sangh or otherwise. In other words the cat should not end up with only politicians of the Hindutva ideology, because then it would not jusify the aim of the cat. But I can see now that this will not happen, as there are more people looking at the issue than previously. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


Always welcome :) -- Lost(talk) 17:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Holywarrior's Holy war

Holywarrior has gone completely nuts. He's just vandalized the Atal Bihari Vajpayee page. I reverted his garbage POV edit but please do put the article in your watchlist and check. I'm sure he'll start another one of his famous wiggle-wars like he did with Hkelkar in Talk:Kancha Ilaiah.Shiva's Trident 20:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Sumer Kumar Sethi

Thanks for your comments in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sumer Kumar Sethi. Please note that he wasn't published in AIIMS, he has published review books about how to get into AIIMS. He has only one original research paper. -AED 22:54, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Neither am I. What you have stated on the AfD is currently not true, so I thought you might like to modify your explanation. Cheers! -AED 23:00, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I see that you did. I appreciate it. -AED 23:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Raam Punjabi

Can you translate the Indonesian version to English? Bakaman Bakatalk 03:54, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't look too hard, though it's a curious choice - is he a notable director? Seems to have done a lot, but I haven't heard of his work. (I just know a few like Rosalinda & Tersanjung). --Singkong2005 talk 00:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


Crazy Kenny has also written Freedom skies, you should really watch out for what you put in big black bold letters about other people. Write another title like that and it's called vandalism... anyways, you're taking what i wrote out of context... first of all, the removal of bobby jindal occured late at night after a few beers and really, you must agree that bobby jindal really is not the most attractive person in the world. look at the guy's face! second, i did not state that i believe that the indian martial arts came from the middle east... nor have i ever written or edited a wikipedia article to that effect. what i did state was that the sources YOU quoted stated that the indian martial arts came from the middle east and yet you are not willing to put that on the last page. If you did your homework, and looked at the history of greek wrestling, the greek statues, pictures, sculptures and greek writing describes activities similar to greco-roman wrestling... pankration or something like that was what the greeks called it. as far as I can tell, you are the one who is prejudiced from your statements about the british destroying all martial arts in india and so forth along with you stating that you don't believe someone's scholarship is worthy because they are white. Kennethtennyson 01:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

None of which is true and I intend to show it.

He can't bring arguments to the table, he just blurts out whatever he can.

Anyways, I'm not a sockpuppet for ANYONE nor d I believe in sockpuppeteers, please run and IP test scan and come up with the results. Freedom skies 11:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

You do realize that he has done this for a reason, he needs to know where I am, and you kinda facilitated him on this. Unknowingly, I did too. anyways. Freedom skies 11:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Swadhyayee for one hour a week.

Thanks for your being frank and sporty.

With due apology, I take liberty to discuss something that one may consider to be personal. Since, you said you are NRI & go to Swadhyay Kendra, I left because I feel that you are viewed or judged from the company you keep. I left more because, I prefer to be a sinner than hypocrite.

To me this was a medium of bringing back Vedic Culture or Ram Rajya for which I gave my young life at the cost of necessary entertainment, basic necessity, duty towards family, business and consequential earning and even submitting to blokes like people. There are thousands who did so.

I think, each one is right in not allowing this medium to rot. Where you see wrong, you have to speak that's your duty to your conscience and your Lord. I spoke, I am speaking.

With Best Regards,

Swadhyayee 13:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Script issues

Your buddy Sarvagnya is not accepting the truth.Plz help him.See Belgaum:Talk mahawiki 16:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Indian nationalism

I'm going to ask you to take a look at those sources yourself.

For starters

  • Where does Pakudha Katyayana's name appear in Kak's articles?
  • Where does that Aryabhata quote appear in Kak's articles?
  • Where does that A.L. Basham quote appear in Kak's articles?
  • Where does the word "gravity" appear in Kak's articles?
  • Where does the word "circumference" appear in Kak's articles?

Check Kak's articles for yourself.
The sources cited do not verify the text.
CiteCop 16:43, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to hear you got blocked.
Talk to you soon.
CiteCop 20:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Been in touch with Subhash Kak

I asked Dr. Kak himself for a few sources, and he has written that if I took a look here[1] I should find a lot more info.

Plus, as for nationalist/biased POV, he said that his work has also appeared in many encyclopedias. For example, Stanley Wolpert - edited Encyc. of India (Scribner's, 2006). You can see the list of topics there at this site[2].

As you know, Wolpert is a very conservative historian, and not a supporter of "Hindu nationalism."

Make use of the list, and don't let anyone vandalize cited material because it's out of their comfort zone, I'll be involved in a tour and may not be able to do so for the next two or three days, but you should be abe to find a bit more of citations and other material using Dr. Kak's information, as well as cite the Wolpert endorsement if Dr. Kak.

Regards.Freedom skies 18:33, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


Better to do your job and not worry about such editors :). BabubTalk 21:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Cat issue

You have added Indonesian Hindu and Hindu politician cat for H.S Dillon. pls check link for his relgion[3]. Haphar 22:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


Hello Baka. Please refrain from giving other established users robot-templated warnings. Please consider taking a minute to write a personal note raising your concerns. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 23:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

They're all over Holywarrior's page. And same applies to him.Blnguyen | rant-line 23:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Since this issue continues to escalate, I've blocked everyone involved for 24 hours. Please take this time to calm yourself and when you return there should be no more incidents of personal attacks, bogus vandal warnings or edit warring. You are close to exhausting the communities patience on these issues; please consider this your last warning. Shell babelfish 23:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


thanks for the support on the deletion vote. :) Have a nice day. Amoruso 23:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Long-Overdue RfA Thanks from Alphachimp

Thanks for your support in my not-so-recent RfA, which was successful with a an overwhelmingly flattering and deeply humbling total of 138/2/2 (putting me #10 on the RfA WP:100). I guess infinite monkey theorem has been officially proven. Chimps really can get somewhere on Wikipedia.

With new buttons come great responsibility, and I'll try my best to live up to your expectations. If you need assistance with something, don't hesitate to swing by my talk page or email me (trust me, I do respond :)). The same goes for any complaints or comments in regard to my administrative actions. Remember, I'm here for you.

(Thanks go to Blnguyen for the incredible photo to the right.) alphaChimp laudare 01:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Blnguyen party.jpg

Thanks for the inputs

Many thanks for your inputs on Shakti Peethas. Yes, the references are valuable. There are still two places which are unknown. I am trying to contact some senior swamis who are considered experts in shakti worship to locate the places. May Her grace be on all the editors. VMO 02:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


Yes, but not right now. I'll have to dig up the book in question first for exact page reference. --Soman 07:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Could you advise?

May need you help on Manu Smriti...

For what I believe is anti-Hindu POV from User:Yeditor.Hkelkar 11:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

To Do

Kantaji Temple, Hindu nationalism.Bakaman Bakatalk 15:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

By the way, got a great picture of the temple, and permission from the photographer. Will be adding it there shortly. --Ragib 04:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back

We got off on the wrong foot.
Rama's Arrow and CiteCop tell me you can be a reasonable guy and I want to let you know that so can I.
JFD 03:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

vande mataram!

That particular user has problems with all languages other than hid Kannada.They have tried to Kannadalise Marathi,Rajkumar, belgaum,Kaveri_dispute etc.They have also tried to push their POV in solapur and akkalkot articles.They sing about how Kannada is greatest language blah blah.Their kannada article is surely contains exaggrated praises about its oldness and classical 'nature'.Its high time that we shud save NPOV and stop vandalisation.mahawiki 10:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


Hello friend, nice talking to you. I saw your comments on the page: Rajkumari Amrit Kaur. You are right her name sounds like a Sikh, but she was a Christian by birth. [4] - [5] --Bhadani 14:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


Yep. He just needs to walk away. The problem is that he gets blocked and then, instead of walking away and taking the break, he keeps at it. We block to give people time to cool off. --Woohookitty(meow) 03:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Closed correspondence, whats that?

First of all it's not a hate attack... as long as all users adhere to NPOV I have no problem. Many users seem to foist their opinion in sensitive articles which is not acceptable by Wiki standards... if you mistake that for hate attack, then thats too bad Closed correspondence with xyz user.... lets behave as mature adults and keep emotions out! --Geek1975 06:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Manu Smriti issues


There is a debate brewing about a quote taken from ManuSmriti and it's interpretation. I could use more knowledgable persons offerring perspective in the matter.

Over this edit

And this duscussion:

Plz offer opinions, any sources you may have that I don't know about etc. Thanks.

Hkelkar 16:58, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Dalitstan image?

I was wondering what happend to the image on Dalitstan article. It came from a non-copyrighted source, in fact it is mentioned on the image itself. --Cardreader 20:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


Hi Baka. It's only 5 days. CfD runs for 7 days. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


I was swearing because I was not happy about having to go through Indrancroos' diffs of Talk:Indian martial arts.
JFD 01:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sorry

Re: Watch request

Oh, I regret the delay in responding. I will try to keep a watch as far as possible. --Bhadani 02:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Swami Ramdev and Copyight Violation

Hey Baka:

I've reverted the original content and posted some text from the two companies (who used this on their website) e-mails I received verifying there is no copyright issue here.

There is also a posting from user Sanevoice regarding this on the Wiki page.

Appreciate your effort in trying to at least replace some text in the interim period.

It would be good if you (or forward to admin) could ensure that this content does not get deleted at the whim of some self-appointed copyright expert.

Thanks and Best Regards

Wikipost 17:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Interesting Mediation going on here


Do chime in if you're interested.Hkelkar 20:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

your views required

this is up for deletion. Your views may be helpfulnids(♂) 21:11, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

RfC on Lalu Prasad Yadav

I have files an RfC regarding Holywarriors edits to Lalu Prasad Yadav here:

I am told that at least two users need to try to negotiate with holywarrior within 48 hours

(this) before it will be endorsed. I have detailed the issue and approach you for perspective regarding this matter. If you think you'd like to participate then please do drop by. Thanks.Hkelkar 00:56, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Shiv Sena...a terrorist organisation??

List of terrorist organisations had the Shiv Sena, VHP and Bajrang Dal listed as terrorist organization before I removed the SS. There was no source present which called the SS terrorist, which made the removal justifiable. But lots of other organisations are also unsourced on that page so I guess it'll come back in the end. What is your view on this? By the way, nice Names section, it's similar to my Accusations section on my userpage, but I've never been called a paid RSS agent...I wonder what you did to get that sort of opinion created. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding HW

Well do you think a case can be made for an RfC against him?Hkelkar 04:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

thanks for adding me to buddhist wikipedian page

although i still think you are quite POV in your edits, thanks for the help...Kennethtennyson 17:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandal ip

The following ip has been vandalizing Bajrang Dal and 2006 Blasts at Malegaon. His contribs history is below. may need some help here as repeated warnings don;t seem to hold him back. Thanks. Hkelkar 21:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


It looks like this might just be a misunderstanding. The description in the category said People from Tripura, and if that is all it means than I did the right thing by suggesting a merge. However, if, as you say, it means some sort of ethnic group, then most of the people who live there are from Tripura, but not Tripuris. I will investigate further. -- ProveIt (talk) 23:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

You are right. I apologize for the misunderstanding. Let me know if theres any problem with new parent cats ... -- ProveIt (talk) 23:42, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


My sources are reliable, so don't delete the info based on your own POV. I will find other sources too, even though it is not necessary. Mar de Sin Talk to me! 00:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

And please do not revert back until this issue is settled. Thanks for your cooperation. Mar de Sin Talk to me! 00:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

i will revert back

I will revert back, this time adding the reputable sources. Mar de Sin Talk to me! 00:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I got an article from the Hindu (which does mention the nanded incident and the bajrang dal activists), and also from al-Jazeerah, both reliable sources. The info on the Muslim apparel doesn't seem to be as widespread, but since it can't be yet disproven, we have to say Bajrang Dal members allegely possessed these items. The other info are correct, nevertheless. (see new cites added) Mar de Sin Talk to me! 00:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
OK. Mar de Sin Talk to me! 00:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Categories up for deletion

Baka, I discovered the procedure for putting categories up for deletion and have nominated Hindu actors and Muslim actors for deletion. That was a couple of hours ago. Sorry, I should have notified you earlier. If you want to argue for keeping your categories, go to Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 September 10. Zora 10:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Hindu mathematicians and Category:Hindu athletes are also up for deletion.-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 11:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello Baka. Please dont take this personally. I have no particular intentions in mind. (Thankfully I'm neither a Hindu nor a Muslim, lolWink.gif) The atheletes category was put in by me because of an old cfd that proposed deletion of sportspersons by religion. About Hindu mathematicians - good that you moved it to a list. Now I have absolutely no problem with it. Categorical listings like Hindu XYZ seemed too far fetched to me. Hence my move in listing them for deletion. I'm sure you understand. Afterall, being bold is a wikipedia guideline. Cheers!-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 15:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
My bad. You are right. The Hindu mathematicians category will probably survive the cfd. Some sportspersons are already listed here. Why not merge them into the new article? Then maybe we could make List of Hindus more compact; akin to List of Jews.-- thunderboltz(Deepu) 15:18, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Baka, I think Zora is right in implying that you should discuss the need for categorization of different articles by the Hindu religion. Although I agree with you where there is already a precedent of "by religion," I request that you discuss prior to creating fresh categories based on Hinduism. Rama's arrow 15:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Well tell me if the CfDs are not withdrawn. I will then vote on every category. Please check out if we can file User for Deletion.nids(♂) 15:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I just saw your comments on Babub talk page. Maybe, i would like to know how was i fundywatching him. Please give a critical reply so that i can improve. There are many things that i did wrong in my life. If you can point them out, it will just help me to improve. waiting for your reply. Thanks.nids(♂) 19:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Nice work

Today I noticed your work on and in the category:Bengali renaissance. Thanks a lot for doing a good job there. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Article for deletion

Hi, I have proposed an article for deletion. If you're interested please vote.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Students Islamic Organisation of India

Hkelkar 21:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

hindu nobel laurets

There is a list for muslims. Shall we also create a Hindu one. nids(♂) 21:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


Zora is wrong in her reasoning and in stereotyping you like this, but I don't see any need to create Hindu categories without prior discussion. In the CfD discussion about Hindu politicians it was clear to me that many see such categories as fragmentation and over-classification, so it will be helpful if you create categories after talking to some people, on a need basis. At least this way the categories won't have to end up facing 5-day heated CfD debates.

I certainly don't approve of people making accusations against you. However, if according to you I don't stand by my principles, what is the point in asking for my participation on such matters? Rama's arrow 01:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm no admirer of Hindutva nor do I share any view similar to it. In any case, the loyalty here is clearly to the mission of Wikipedia and nothing else. Nor do I covet adminship one iota. Rama's arrow 01:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
That is only because of the many feuds that Subhash bose and you have gotten into. If you make valuable contributions, conduct yourself with civility you will gain respect. Rama's arrow 01:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
The castes are only a basic observation of human roles. The true pursuit is that of God - be like God to attain Him. Rama's arrow 01:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Only Vishnu-Shiva. Rama's arrow 01:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
A message of the Gita - the Vedas are knowledge, which will lead in different directions. It is up to you to find the path to God. Skanda, Kubera, Ganesha are forms of the Universal Truth - monotheism and polytheism are irrelevant. Perhaps the Truth may not even fit any mathematical or philosophical dimension. Rama's arrow 01:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if I suggest 1 name or 2. I haven't found the truth yet. Rama's arrow 01:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
It isn't my FAC - its Shreshth's. Nor does it help anybody if the only reason you supported it was to help your brothers. Rama's arrow 01:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


Right as far as the Argentina thing goes. I'm not entirely sure about the evacuation, as Israel has done a number of those from different places; is there anything in Category:Non-combat military operations of Israel that matches? Kirill Lokshin 01:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Your Userpage

The User:Bakasuprman#HATKS portion of your userpage is not civil. BhaiSaab talk 02:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

It shows a great deal of rudeness. BhaiSaab talk 02:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Well I'm not sure if you still hold any grudges against me, but if you do, please point out which statements by me are causing that. BhaiSaab talk 02:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Well I guess that's between them and you. But if I've caused you any problems, I apologize and I hope we can get over that. BhaiSaab talk 02:53, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment on Nirav's talk page

See this GizzaChat © 08:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


Hello Bakasuprman nice meeting you. I will look at the article about Made Beratha. About the other one, I don't know this character so I won't be able to write something about him. C U! Meursault2004 15:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Please see the latest edits in the Hindi page

Hi Baka, please see my latest edits at Hindi page and its discussion also Talk:Hindi#Correct_Official_Status_and_Difference_from_Other_Official_.28Regional.29_Languages. I had to read the constitution of India to fully understand the status of Hindi and other official languages. I will be using this data point to edit articles which are vandalised by users like User:Sarvagnya. All the references are provided there including PDFs to read the constitution of India. Thanks for your work on Jana Gana Mana, Vande Mataram etc. Still much more needs to be done to un-vandalise those and other articles. Good luck. --APandey 18:34, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


I provided an argument there.Hkelkar 01:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Actual Source


Anyway, thanks for the interest and suggestion.