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- 1 Merger
- 2 FIRST AND LAST WARNING !!!!
- 3 Indian nationalism
- 4 Nonsense
- 5 rename
- 6 Thanks
- 7 Muchas gracias
- 8 Sangam article
- 9 RU
- 10 Happy Diwali
- 11 The lighted path
- 12 Thanks
- 13 Indian caste system
- 14 Happy Diwali
- 15 Happy Diwali from me too
- 16 Khalistan
- 17 My RfA
- 18 Guna (Lok Sabha Constituency)
- 19 Bagus Oka
- 20 Vijayanagar Architecture
- 21 Happy Diwali
- 22 Re: Something bothersome
- 23 Just joking
- 24 Re: Caste based cats or lists
- 25 RfA thanks
- 26 Sockpuppet
- 27 FYI
- 28 Abt Bhutan
- 29 Invitation for WikiProject Maharashtra
- 30 Discussion on caste
- 31 Ziauddin barani
- 32 Karma in Hinduism
- 33 Personnal attack
- 34 Nanga Parbat
- 35 Re:Joginder Singh
- 36 About recent issues
- 37 Thank you & Hare Krishna
- 38 Re: Thanks
- 39 Karma
- 40 A little (spammed) thank you
- 41 Arbitration
- 42 "Hindus vs. Muslims"
- 43 Re: RFA
- 44 Hoysala Empire
- 45 Regarding TerryJ-Ho's anti-Hindu attitudes
- 46 Nominations
- 47 thank you
- 48 Project Hinduism Medal nominations
- 49 Kamal88 and Siddiqui
- 50 One request
- 51 Trouble maker is back
- 52 I understand
- 53 Template:Infobox_Hindu_teacher/leader
- 54 Kama & Artha are lower Purusharths is a wrong statement.
- 55 Truth is out!
- 56 Infobox Mandir
- 57 Good show!!
- 58 Hi
- 59 Out of India theory
- 60 Languages
- 61 Did you know
- 62 Thank you...
- 63 Hi dear!
- 64 Re: Regarding RfC
- 65 Indian American
- 66 Personal attacks
- 67 username
- 68 Buddhism and Hinduism
- 69 BhaiSaab
- 70 India
I feel that the article Kah-Nee-Ta High Desert Resort and Casino should be merged with Warm Springs Indian Reservation as their is very little information pertaining to the casino and therefore, I do not feel that it is substantial enough to stand alone. T. White 09:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
FIRST AND LAST WARNING !!!!
You've been indulging in attacking other users for no reasons whatsoever. Stop from attacking other users like you did here. If you don't stop your tomfoolery, you may well get BLOCKED FOR LIFE. Super Belur 17:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Take a look into the article. I edited it extensively to meet the collective demands of editors involved. Freedom skies 20:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Take a look at thi sutter nonsense about "Bangladeshi victory" in 2001.
Hkelkar 23:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. So what is the consensus for the new name? Any ideas.Dineshkannambadi 02:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Bakman. Yes, I did see what happened to my message. Frankly I have no time to waste with editors like that. I would rather spend my time in WP more usefully writing good articles and improving them to FAC status. - Parthi talk/contribs 03:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey Bakasuprman, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, —Khoikhoi 04:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I tried rewriting this article last march to remove the more ridiculous of its claims. As you can see in the Talk:Sangam page my efforts were thwarted by User:Mel Etitis who kept reverting it claiming I needed to provide citations to show that it didn't start 15000 years ago! I gave up. - Parthi talk/contribs 05:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
The lighted path
I thank you for your greetings. I wish you All The Best on the ocasion of the Indian festival of light, Diwali. I am sure that the light of hope, confidence, and all positive attributes shall always remain inside you – lighting your path and guiding you to attain higher and higher levels of excellence in all your endevours! All the best! --Bhadani 15:31, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- Diwali's greetings and a very Happy New Year to you and your family! Jai Sri Rama! Rama's arrow 22:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Likewise, happy Dipawali and best regards to you and your family.Hkelkar 19:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your wishes and have a very very happy Diwali. --Antorjal 23:34, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Happy Diwali from me too
- By the way, which RFA Asuras are you talking about? Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 01:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- And to you too sir, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC).
- Please put the article in your watchlist. I think that several socks/POV-pushers are trying to vandalize the article with gibberish.Hkelkar 06:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
|Hello Bakaman! Thank you for comments and wishes on my recently concluded RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 77/2/0. I hope I live up to the confidence you have shown. I'm still exploring the new tools, so feel free to point out of any mistakes on my part. In case you need help with anything, just leave me a message. Thanks again! Wish you and your loved ones a belated Diwali and an early Eid!--thunderboltz(Deepu) 08:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)|
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I'll take a look at it and let you know when it's finished! Meursault2004 10:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Sir, Somebody had put a copyedit tag withg this message "needs a copyedit for a lot of flowery pov language" without specific reasons. All info in the page has been sourced from well known historians and citations provided.ThanksDineshkannambadi 17:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Namaste Bakaman. I just wanted to wish you a happy Diwali. It's nice working with you on here on Wikipedia. Thanks again for your positive comments and encouragement. AnupamTalk 00:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Re: Something bothersome
Yeah, probably you are right. I should stop bothering about these lists. But, I'm gonna clean-up a lot of caste-POVed articles. While working on these caste categories, I came across horribly-POV articles. May be nobody looks at these articles (except people of those castes). I am neither Brahmin, nor Dalit (or for that matter Kshatriya or Vaisya), but my concern is that Wikipedia should not become a tool for glorifying castes. I will stop bothering about those lists now, though. utcursch | talk 02:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I was just joking. Sorry if that had caused problems or misunderstanding 02:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Re: Caste based cats or lists
I think a good place to start would be Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics. utcursch | talk 12:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
|Please accept my thanks for your support in my successful RfA, which I was gratified to learn passed without opposition on October 25, 2006. I am looking forward to serving as an administrator and hope that I prove worthy of your trust. With my best wishes, --MCB 17:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)|
User:184.108.40.206 may be a sockpuppet for user:kennethtennyson, both have the same views about India, and a habit of following me around on wikipedia. Best watch out for the sockpuppet and it's anti-India stance in articles like Hindutva etc. I Informed you because I noticed you were editors in some of those articles as well. Freedom skies 18:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for the response on Bhutanese refugees.
- My point there was not about hatred. In South Asia people generally do not hate people. Nepalese and Bhutanese are very fine with each other which is clear from the fact the despite the persecution from Bhutanese Government, there have been no ethnic clashes. However, the governments and some notorious people manipulate facts to create rift among people. The same happened in Bhutan where the ruling portion of the Bhutanese population forced the ethnic Nepalese population to exile.
- About Bhutan Government sanctioning Hindu festivals, Bhutan has a sizable population of Neplaese Hindus (some put it as high as 35%) plus the nation is heavily influenced by India. So, it is a duty for Bhutan to do so if it ever does so. Besides, people celebrate Eid in India but still one can not forget Gujarat massacare. The Government recognizes Dashami in Banagaladesh but still Hindus are in fringes there.
- About whether the Druks are only against people Nepalese origin, well it might not be the case. The only Hindus in Bhutan are those of Nepalese origin. Besides, Nepal during that time was the only Hindu nation and persecution due to Nepalese identity was no different from that of Hindu identity. The only reason for these people's exile is that they are not Druks. Thats as similar to non-Muslims in Pakistan and yet people see so much difference between the two. Besides, the execution of Kashmiri Hindus by Muslims is also due to hatred against primarily Kashmaris yet its Hindu cleansing. The cover-up operation might be the hatred against people of Nepalese origin but the result is certainly the displacement and torture of Hindus because of their identity.--Eukesh 03:45, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- No need to thank me, sir. I just presented what the respected international bodies came to find about our part of the world. In fact, I need to thank you for the interest that you showed in my posts.--Eukesh 16:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Invitation for WikiProject Maharashtra
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Discussion on caste
Your input would be aoppreciated on whether lists or cats should be used for caste lists on the Indian Noticeboard. Bakaman Bakatalk 01:26, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- I will try to give my inputs. Thanks for informing me. --Bhadani 10:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bakaman, I too wont be able to give much input on the above discussion, but in general, my take is that if there can be sufficient number of articles about each topic, create them and put them in a category. If there is not sufficient matter for separate articles, create a list -- Lost(talk) 17:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- It is really sad. I would suggest you to please take up the matter with admins of Hindi wikipedia. --Bhadani 10:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply
- Let me search a little more to know about Hindi Wikipedia. --Bhadani 21:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- I think it was a minor change in words. "Could be taken as vandalism" = anything not satisfying my POV is vandalism.Bakaman Bakatalk 19:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Karma in Hinduism
Baka People keep on insisting that Hinduism's view of karma is not different from Buddhism. I say a central role for Hindus is believing that God has a role in karma. Please contribute here at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Priyanath#God_as_Divine_Accountant
Thanks for your help!
Raj2004 20:00, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. . TwoHorned 00:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Don't post NPA laundry unless you have actual diffs. I dont take kindly to vandalism by trolls. Take 5 min to state your concerns instead of brainlessly placing templates.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Bakasuprman--I reverted your change to the Location section of Nanga Parbat, and I explained the reason on Talk:Nanga Parbat. Feel free to respond there if you think the revert was inappropriate. -- Spireguy 03:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bakaman, I think Kaka Joginder Singh is ready for DYK. Meanwhile, Dharti Pakad can either be a redirect or a disambig page. (There was also a TV show on Sahara by this name). -- Lost(talk) 06:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
About recent issues
Bakaman, please accept to read this paragraph before cancelling it. I would really like all the war edits to end by now. I am ready to listen to your point of view and discuss with you, either in my talk page on on articles'. You've been extremely agressive against me these days, and underwent into systematic reversion processes, whith very much sarcasm and low content.
I am ready to listen to your point. I am very much in favour of Hinduism, so your accusations don't apply to me. Ok, I admit your political orientations are not mine but I don't pay too much attention to political considerations when they don't go too much into the extremism realm. I'm sure I can learn from you. In exchange, I am also sure I can share very interesting views with you on Indian matters.
The level of aggressivity than occured between us is not good: both of us will loose in the end. I am not a troll, it is true that I participate in few articles, but I know them in deep. So please accept to talk with me instead of war-editing. I will listen to your point. If you convince me I will defend your views. I don't like to go into RfCs. it's not a good way of doing things.
Now about Coom. I've been thinking on what you said about it. I admit that the reference is not a its proper place where is it now. So I accept to change the sentence in the article if you want. I think that referring to Coom. makes sense about Elst, but not in a Wikipedia article: it should be more appropriate to put forward the comparison in an analysis of Elst content, for example in a book. So I accept to modify that in the article with you if you want. But please let's do it in talk pages, not by war editing. I will not change it until we agree.
Please takes these considerations. Let us stop that now. Bye. TwoHorned 10:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you & Hare Krishna
OK. Thanks to you too. About the Coomaraswamy quotation, here is what I propose:
After reflexion, my view is that drawing comparisons with Coomaraaswamy does make sense, but in the context of a comparative study, not an author presentation. So, after reflexion, I propose to remove the Coom. reference in the "See also" section, and to remove the "On the ideological side..." sentence in the Controversy section. After all, the ideological context of Elst's works are discussed in the Talk page of the article: the discussion between users Vinay Khatan and Alex Oriens is quite interesting in itself and illustrates quite well the debate. Since I am the author of that latter sentence, I think you will agree with that, but I insist in removing the Coom. reference from the "See also" section because Coom. perspective is not at all the same than Elst'.
Second, my point is that the Angelfire reference about Zydenbos page is malicious and tend to focus on the provider than the contents. I know that you like Elst and I don't like him but that is irrelevant: that controversy must be kept, because Elst is utterly politically controversial in Europe (he is also controversial by his viewpoint, both in India and Europe). So I propose to remove the "Angelfire" word and to leave it like "Zydenbos's home page" or something.
Would you agree on that ? I think that I'm balanced that way. Please tell me. Let's arrive to a consensus together. Thanks. TwoHorned 17:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
If you get a chance, please provide your thoughts on the debate over the wording of a paragraph on karma on the Hinduism discussion page. The debate is not over doctrine, it is primarily over wording and clarity. Thanks! HeBhagawan 20:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
A little (spammed) thank you
Dab made a great comment about you. I found it spot on. Also, I noticed you asked aksi great to provide evidence against allegations of sockpuppetry - it was actually aksi great's evidence which prompted Dmcdevit to ban Shiva's Trident. BhaiSaab talk 19:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- What dab does is inconsequential to me. For every dab, I have at least 5 admins willing to back me up. Also, judging by NetScott and Aminz and Terry and Geek1975, you yourself are in a beehive.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
"Hindus vs. Muslims"
- It's not a full-blown case yet. It's just a request. I suggest you take it easy. BhaiSaab talk 00:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I would love to help. Could you please provide some heads-up on the matter and how I can help. Anyway, both you and HKelkar are doing a great job on wikipedia. Keep it up. Syiem 06:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Copied from Hkelkar's talk page:
Sir, a one time user has been tagging my work on this page without really discussing his problem. Please look into this one. All info in the page is sourced from the references provided. To give authenticity to his tagging, he has dropped an additional tag in an inconspicuos part of the article as well, that too right next to a ref[note].Can you intervene and prevent a revert war. I have put in too much work on this article over the last 2 months to let it be misused.Dineshkannambadi 18:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Regarding TerryJ-Ho's anti-Hindu attitudes
- I suggest you back it up by citing diffs from the desk page of the Tipu Sultan AMA, where TerryJ-Ho used anon ips and his own login to make some pretty nasty attacks on Hindus, showing a clear pattern of Islamist views.I'd do it, but my response is already so big that it's probably past the 500 word quota.The AMA Page is here:
In particular, these diffs:
-  (keep in mind that he still thinks that I am a Hindu)
- Also, his propensity for labelling users as "Hindutva" makes his accusation of my labelling him hypocritical.Hkelkar 19:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- I can bet if you go with the above - you will only prove that you are lying and blaming me for things that I haven't said ever TerryJ-Ho
Baka, thank you for your kind nomination. I appreciate it.
Raj2004 00:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Sir, Thanks for your input.I may have been too harsh on this user. So I will leave a note of apology too.Dineshkannambadi 00:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Project Hinduism Medal nominations
- Shri Medal is a good idea. But why hasnt anyone voted yet on that page?nids(♂) 08:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Kamal88 and Siddiqui
- Could you keep an eye out for Dalit (unless you already are :) )?Looks like some anon whack job did a number on it Hkelkar 06:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Trouble maker is back
Sir. looks like Mahawiki is back after a break and is seething for war. I have attached a copy of his message on my user page and my reply below.
 suryakanth kamath Hi, Ur citations of A conscise history of karnataka by Surkanth kamath,as u know, is contested by many. I request u to present a neutral and credible source within 24 hours.Reasons behind this request is-
1)Your source seems to be fanatical, uncredible, hoax, advertisement of ur culture/language. 2)You have not presented any online/soft copy of ur source and hence it is not verifiable. Failing to do so,I will be forced to remove ur citations. Mahawiki 19:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Funny :D. btw, who is suryakanth kamath?? :D Sarvagnya 19:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 Who is Suryakant Kamat? I dont know any Suryakant Kamath. I know and own a book by "Suryanath Kamath" though. Its not my responsibility to produce a soft copy for you. Go to a good book store (if you have one in your town) and buy it. If you cant find it, order it and read it.The full name of the book is clearly given in my citations. Looks like someone is back fresh from a block out and is trying to wage war again? Dont try to get too aggressive, unless you want to be blocked again.Dineshkannambadi 19:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dineshkannambadi"
I know all this gets tiring at some point. Thanks for your earlier help.Dineshkannambadi 03:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Kama & Artha are lower Purusharths is a wrong statement.
One could say for deploring Kama & Artha as lower Purusharths. It could have been said, just to make people move to Dharma & Moksha. Lot of Sanyasees try to deplore Kama & Artha, particularly Jain Sadhus try to create hate in the minds of people living family life.
Does one not need money to do one's religious duties or support Sanyasees or Brahmins or religious institutions? Krishna has said in Srimad Bhagawad Geeta that "Kama" is my "Vibhuti." In Hindu doctrines "Kama" is supported confining sexual pleasure with one's wedded spouse in the witness of fire (A form of God), Brahmin and society. Is it possible to conquer "Kama" by any average person? Vishwamitra also sliped. When Krishna declared "Kama" as Krishna's "Vibhuti" who are we to deplore "Kama"? Indian has n' number of Sanyasees. With due respect to Swami Bhaskaranandji, I say that anything said in a particular situation or a context should not be incorporated in an article like Wikipedia which shall remain on a public forum for a long long future. Hope everyone will see the damage being done to Hindusim and restrain from continuing with statements deploring 4 pursuits of life. Swadhyayee 14:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hinduism"
Truth is out!
Hello, great work on the template. I just have one concern. I think it is better to change the "primary deity" part to "primary deities" because many temples, not just outside India have more than one principle deity. Example, many temples have the famous pair Radha Krishna as their main deities. GizzaChat © 09:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
|The Original Barnstar|
|I present the original barnstar to Bakasuprman for his contributions in general and Kaka Joginder Singh in particular. --Gurubrahma 12:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)|
Hi Bakasuprman, liked both the articles - Dharti Pakad needs some work though. I'll get round to it as soon as I get time. The TV show could be included in it. WP:PINQ has some links that I added for both the topics. btw, I feel that this barnstar was long overdue. Keep up the good work!! --Gurubrahma 12:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Please take a look into Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buddhism and Hinduism. Surprisingly enough there seems to be an extremist Buddhist movement on Wikipedia detaching it from it's original Dharmic foundations and claiming that that Hinduism and Buddhism do not have anything at all whatsoever in common. My recent efforts have been to restore NPOV in many of these articles but they have come under vandal attacks from User:Green23, who has a history of vandal attacks relating to Buddhism related articles. Please see the articles Buddhism and Hinduism and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buddhism and Hinduism. Freedom skies 16:02, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Out of India theory
Thanks for your support.I want to prevent OIT opposers' continuous deletion on talk pages of OIT just becuase they are being exposed and that's why they are speechless but became active in deletion of those points altogether. I don't have time due to my work. If you can ask others to give warning about such behaviours then it will be very nice. WIN 05:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Vaaqi hai, ke baDhte hue aapne apne maataa pitaa se tiin tiin bhaashaae.n purii tarah sikhii.n? Arrow740 07:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Did you know
- Good to see Kaka Joginder Singh in the DYK. I admire your fighting spirit. -- P.K.Niyogi 11:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
...for the vote of confidence in support of my RfA. If I can ever lend a hand, let me know. I can now do admin stuff, but I also love to proofread and copy edit. just drop me a line. Cheers. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 18:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Busy or have I hurt you?
Swadhyayee 05:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Re: Regarding RfC
File a Request comment on articles. Step-by-step instructions (with example) are given on that page.
I had a look at Sarvagnya-Gnanapiti checkuser case, after Mahawiki left a note on my talk page. Since User:Aksi great and other admins were dealing with the case, I didn't look much into it. Sarvagnya says that he "sent emails to admins Blnguyen, dmc and aksi" making some clarifications, which probably explains why he wasn't blocked. User:Redvers's involvement here is news for me, though. utcursch | talk 10:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay. I notice that the situation has calmed now. I'm slightly baffled as to what actually triggered this row. If I am correct, you and D-Boy were reffering to this comment (the one that is being removed). As far as I can see, there are no indications that 71.x.x.... added that particular statement to the article. His edits to the article (namely these) seem to be good faith edits too. Something I'm missing, perhaps? Or was it all due to some confusion?--thunderboltz(Deepu) 16:09, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ok. The section looks fine the way it is now. I'm not sure about your observation of "mainstream churches". Considering my knowledge in the field, I shouldn't even dare to comment. But I think almost all the Xtians in Kerala (or India for that matter) belong to one of these so called mainstream churches. There are sub denominations within, that are more ethnic in character. For example, a person can be a Roman Catholic following a Syrian tradition, thus becoming a "Roman Catholic Syrian Christian". Anyhow, this has nothing to do with the article. Cheers and regards --thunderboltz(Deepu) 16:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
How do I change my username?? Please help me.Joram Beda 18:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Buddhism and Hinduism
Thanks for taking interest in the matter, the guy and his sockpuppets were having a field day vandalizing this article. I worked hard and even put his POV in the article ( complete with another page for his excessive quotes and his selective,misinterpreted quotes from the sutras mentioned on the main page), even then he would'nt listen to Hinduism and Buddhism having as much as one percent in common. Thanks for taking interest in this. I appreciate it. Freedom skies 00:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- I am perfectly aware of what is going on on the page. Sabrang is an extremist cesspool of hatred that doesnt meet WP:RS.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- Please watch that article closely. User:Fowler&fowler wants it put that the British exclusively abolished Sati whereas I contend (with refs supplied in the Talk Page) that Raja Ram Mohan Roy lobbied the British into doing it. The Bengal presidency ba prior to Roy is irrelevant as other bigger parts of India (like the Maratha Confederacy) had also banned Sati centuries ago.Hkelkar 07:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)