User:Ned Scott

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While I try to keep up to date with discussions I'm in, it's very possible for me to miss something. For this reason or any other, feel free to send me an extra poke via e-mail or AIM, for anything, trivial or important (or to just say hi).
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I am User:Ned Scott on all Wikimedia Projects with the exception of wikinews:es:User:Ned Scott. I'm in my late-twenties and live in Arizona, USA. My main focus on Wikipedia is working on articles about entertainment and fiction (particularly anime and science fiction, which is probably not a big surprise), though I do enjoy working on much more than just those kinds of articles. Lately I've been more active in meta space than in article space, focusing on discussions and technical features such as templates. I'm also very interested in applying some of the methodology of Wikipedia to other wikis around the internet, which lead me to start up WikiProject Transwiki.

Unfortunately my personal time is being consumed by some other stuff lately, and I'm not nearly as active as I once was. Don't let that stop you from leaving me a message or asking for assistance if you feel I can be of some help! I will always be a Wikipedian, and look forward to always having at least some level of contribution to this great project. I also plan on getting more active again to at least finish a number of projects/ideas that I've either had or was involved in.

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RfCs - Art, architecture, literature and media

Talk:What I've Been Looking For

Should this statement be excluded from the page solely with the information given above by @Piriczki:? © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 23:22, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Anita Sarkeesian

On September 16, 2014, this video was published by the American Enterprise Institute. The video shows brief images of Sarkeesian, but does not refer to her or her work by name. Since publication, a number of reliable outfits have picked up on this video. Polygon, Kotaku, Gamespot, Think Progress and an Opinion Peice by Polygon. My request is based on the previous, is the allusion to Sarkeesian heavy enough or relevant enough to include in her biographical article or series article? Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 17:13, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Dragon Warrior

Shall we keep the NES edition (Dragon Warrior) or change to the iOS edition (Dragon Quest)? Or maybe use the Famicom edition? --George Ho (talk) 01:41, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:List of One Piece characters

Should we mention the Straw Hat Pirates as main characters or protagonists? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:42, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:The Zeitgeist Movement

Should the reception section focus on The Zeitgeist Movement or the Zeitgeist films?--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 17:24, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:The Game (Queen album)

Which genres should be listed in this article's infobox? Content in the infobox is based on what is cited in the article; this aritcle's Reception section cites critics who call The Game a "pop album ... [that turned] away from rock and toward pop ... turning decidedly, decisively pop" and "disco rock blends" (Stephen Thomas Erlewine, AllMusic), and also "two slabs of Queen's usual symphonic and/or choral pomp-rock" (Steve Taylor, Smash Hits). Dan56 (talk) 05:22, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Garbage (album)

'Pop' is vaguely referenced and phrased by one reviewer who is being given undue weight; other cited reviewer's style descriptions (such as Billboard's power pop) are ignored. Electronic/electronic rock is being disregarded as legitimate, even in light of multiple sources provided that use such genres. --Lpdte77 (talk) 02:01, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Derek McCulloch

Ought the rumours about the person be included in this biography? Two years ago, an RfC found the inclusion of the allegations to be acceptable. 14:29, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Oathkeeper

Should the following sentence be included in the article? (Writing section.)

In addition to chapter 72 (Jaime IX), some of the content from this episode is also found in A Storm of Swords chapters 61, 68, and 71 (Sansa V, Sansa VI, Daenerys VI).[1]

This issue of reliable third-party sourcing has been addressed.[2] The question is whether it should be included or excluded on its own value. 14:22, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Game of Thrones (season 5)

Does WatchersOnTheWall.com count as an expert source per WP:SPS?

Despie being a "fan site" WatchersOnTheWall has a number of writers that are dedicated to finding out information about the show. The shows writers have a number of inside sources within the show who can provide reliable information. In fact, the large casting call for season 5 which listed the call sheets for characters such as Doran Martell was discovered by the writers of WatchersOnTheWall (although this was actually published on Winteriscoming.net, but it was nevertheless by the same writers). Bryan Cogman has both commented on articles on the site, and been interviewed.

Moreover, the site Winteriscoming.net has been often cited on other articles. The writers of Watchers originated on Winteriscoming.net, and they are all but name the same site (Winteriscoming.net is now effectively a new site after being bought out, and having new writers instated.)

Piandme (talk) 01:05, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:The Stone Roses (album)

5.69.237.6 added negative material in a way that over-emphasizes it. There are several critical/journalistic sources in the third paragraph of this article's #Reception and legacy section that express the view that the album has been overrated, overhyped, and "deified" by critics, including one that objects to NME magazine's ranking as the greatest British album in the form of Fiona Sturges of The Independent. The IP's addition of a quote from singer Eddie Argos saying the same thing regurgitates Sturges' point and is thus undue weight. Dan56 (talk) 20:39, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox television

Please refer to the discussion above prior to stating an opinion. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 15:29, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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RFCs - Wikipedia style, referencing, layout and WikiProjects

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television

Earlier last week, I had redone the timelines of housewives for each of The Real Housewives articles in a style that I thought was more clear and visually appealing that the original version. I had been reverted a couple times before I supposedly came to a compromise with another editor who was working on the tables, although they unexpectedly went back and reverted the tables to the original versions again. Instead of reverting them myself and running the risk of an edit war, I would like to reach a consensus here as to which style is preferable: WikiRedactor (talk) 21:26, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section

I'm posting this here as follow-up to this discussion at the Village Pump (now archived) regarding the use of parenthetical information in leads of articles on geographic places. There was a strong consensus there that parenthetical pronunciations and alternative names overload the lead and seriously hinder the readability of these articles, and that we should revise our guidance such that we recommend against including this information in the lead section (recommendations and examples were discussed in the original thread, please see there for more info). There was not a strong consensus, however, about where the information should be moved; either an infobox or an "alternative names" section of the article were discussed.

I propose that the Village Pump proposal be extended to apply to all articles, not just those on geographic places. As a recommendation, only certain specific information should be included in parentheses, such as:

  • a person's date of birth & death, if known, not their age
  • one English translation, if the article title is in a foreign language and there is a notable English name (e.g. Las Meninas), or include an English translations section if there are more than one notable translations
  • an organism's scientific name, or its common name if the article title is the scientific name and there is only one, otherwise include a common names section

Otherwise, in the interest of readability, other relevant information is better off included elsewhere. In particular, pronunciations should not be included in prose at all - they would be better off in an infobox where readers could access them without breaking up the readability of the lead. I like the idea of foreign language names being listed in the main infobox, but they could be moved to an alternative names or foreign language names section just as easily, improving the lead.

Here are some examples in my userspace (I will G7 them when this closes): User:Ivanvector/Hebron (compare), User:Ivanvector/Chernivtsi Oblast (compare), User:Ivanvector/Inuit (compare), User:Ivanvector/Coup d'état (compare)

I am aware that the choice of place names and article titles can be controversial, and I expect that disputes regarding naming will be settled by local consensus or our other processes. I also expect that the choice between infobox or separate section will be on a case-by-case basis, and there may be other appropriate solutions in some cases. With this proposal I am interested only in decluttering the lead, not in taking sides in any active disputes. I look forward to your comments. Ivanvector (talk) 19:39, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons

Should flags, national icons or symbols be used to represent the nationality of sports figures? If so, under what conditions may they be used?
Necessary clarification: RfC participants should narrowly interpret "nationality" to mean "sporting nationality" - not citizenship, not dual citizenship/nationality, not current place of residence, not place of birth. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 10:35, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television)

This discussion started in January 2013, but was soon after archived, and the discussion never closed. The purpose of this discussion is to determine if Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television)#Episodic television should be rewritten to state that "(TV miniseries)" or "(miniseries)" should be the standard for disambiguators in TV miniseries articles that require disambiguation in their titles. Steel1943 (talk) 18:54, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Template talk:Tq

Should we remove the italicize-quotation option from this and any similar templates?  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  11:32, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Template talk:JPY

There are two currencies which use the ¥ unicode glyph, namely Japanese yen (JP¥) and Renminbi (CN¥). Since {{CNY}} uses a CN¥ link, shouldn't {{JPY}} also use JP¥, instead of simply ¥? --benlisquareTCE 07:37, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section

I'm posting this here as follow-up to this discussion at the Village Pump (now archived) regarding the use of parenthetical information in leads of articles on geographic places. There was a strong consensus there that parenthetical pronunciations and alternative names overload the lead and seriously hinder the readability of these articles, and that we should revise our guidance such that we recommend against including this information in the lead section (recommendations and examples were discussed in the original thread, please see there for more info). There was not a strong consensus, however, about where the information should be moved; either an infobox or an "alternative names" section of the article were discussed.

I propose that the Village Pump proposal be extended to apply to all articles, not just those on geographic places. As a recommendation, only certain specific information should be included in parentheses, such as:

  • a person's date of birth & death, if known, not their age
  • one English translation, if the article title is in a foreign language and there is a notable English name (e.g. Las Meninas), or include an English translations section if there are more than one notable translations
  • an organism's scientific name, or its common name if the article title is the scientific name and there is only one, otherwise include a common names section

Otherwise, in the interest of readability, other relevant information is better off included elsewhere. In particular, pronunciations should not be included in prose at all - they would be better off in an infobox where readers could access them without breaking up the readability of the lead. I like the idea of foreign language names being listed in the main infobox, but they could be moved to an alternative names or foreign language names section just as easily, improving the lead.

Here are some examples in my userspace (I will G7 them when this closes): User:Ivanvector/Hebron (compare), User:Ivanvector/Chernivtsi Oblast (compare), User:Ivanvector/Inuit (compare), User:Ivanvector/Coup d'état (compare)

I am aware that the choice of place names and article titles can be controversial, and I expect that disputes regarding naming will be settled by local consensus or our other processes. I also expect that the choice between infobox or separate section will be on a case-by-case basis, and there may be other appropriate solutions in some cases. With this proposal I am interested only in decluttering the lead, not in taking sides in any active disputes. I look forward to your comments. Ivanvector (talk) 19:39, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons

Should flags, national icons or symbols be used to represent the nationality of sports figures? If so, under what conditions may they be used?
Necessary clarification: RfC participants should narrowly interpret "nationality" to mean "sporting nationality" - not citizenship, not dual citizenship/nationality, not current place of residence, not place of birth. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 10:35, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/BASC reform 2014

*Should the community adopt the changes to the makeup and procedures of the Ban Appeals Subcommittee proposed below? Beeblebrox (talk) 18:25, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)

Wikipedia contains many articles of the style Comparison of Foo, where Foo may refer to (eg) a class of software, or a method of engineering. Many of these articles are broadly unreferenced. Almost always the features list when comparing Foo Vendor A's product with Foo Vendor B's product are entirely unreferenced. By definition these are WP:OR. They have come from research performed by the editors maintaining the articles. Often even primary sources are not offered. WP:PRIMARY suggests that this might be a valid place for them to be deployed.

I recall putting one such up for AfD once, or offering an opinion in such an AfD. I can't recall what or when. It was stoutly defended with arguments such as "But it's encyclopaedic!" not exactly policy based.

So, my question is, how does Wikipedia not apply a policy requiring no original research to obviously useful but broadly unreferenced Comparison of Foo articles? Why are they deemed to be acceptable by consensus when the No OR rule is created by consensus? Fiddle Faddle 23:02, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Traditional marriage

The most popular understanding of the term Traditional Marriage been lost through advocacy writing and coded language.ChicagoGuy11 (talk) 20:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Requests for page protection

I've been thinking about this for a while. I'd like to propose two relatively minor changes to RfPP that will make the page much easier to use for admins:
  1. Have the newest requests placed at the bottom of the relevant section. This is the way every other noticebaord works, and it means that when an admin comes along, they see the oldest requests first. Much more importantly, from my perspective, though, is that it will prevent section numbers from changing while an admin is Working through the backlog. At the moment, if there are requests for page X and page Y and I answer the request for X and come to edit the request for Y, if a request for Z comes in before I've saved the page, my response ends up in the wrong section (example).
  2. Remove the template from section headers. Currently, requests are in the form of ===={{la|foo}}====//*Temporary semi-protection: persistent vandalism. This makes navigation around the page a real pain, especially when there are 20 or 30 outstanding requests. I'd like to change this to ====Foo====//{{la|foo}}//*Temporary semi-protection: persistent vandalism. That means the section header will be the same in edit mode as when it's displayed, and so the software will return you to the section you just edited after saving the page. It also means (as minor side benefits) that the section links in edit summaries will work properly, that it's easier to link to sections, and that links to sections can be previewed in Popups (I know not everyone uses it, but I can't live without it!).

What do other people (particularly admins who regularly handle requests here) think of this? Courtesy ping for Cyberpower, who can tell us whether it would be practical to change his excellent bot to cope with the new format (I'll notify WT:Twinkle, as well). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:39, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 September 28

When users upload files, they have to tag their uploads with a template called a copyright tag. Please comment on whether the free content copyright license tag {{Free--PublicOnFacebook}} is valid, per our policies, or if the tag and all the uploaded files that rely on it should be deleted. It's intended for use on local copies of free content from facebook. It's argued that a poster may not know that when content is posted using the "Public" setting of Facebook, it's thereby licensed as free content, because the legal Terms of Use of facebook say: "When you publish content or information using the Public setting, it means that you are allowing everyone, including people off of Facebook, to access and use that information, and to associate it with you (i.e., your name and profile picture)." and "By "use" we mean use, run, copy, publicly perform or display, distribute, modify, translate, and create derivative works of." [1] so the license may not be valid. When facebook users grant a license to work they don't have the right to grant by misusing facebook in this way, it is they who are liable, not someone who relies on that license, whether that's me, facebook, wikipedia or any other reuser of what is (based on the facts available to the reusers) freely-licensed content. Should we delete the template because it can be misapplied in this way?

23:20, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Template talk:Track listing

This RfC is aimed at determining consensus regarding track listings (see discussion above).

Support adding language to this page that recommends listing tracks contiguously (e.g., 1-13)

  1. Vinyl is a dead format that was resoundingly replaced by CDs, then digital downloads. We should not suggest that slavishly reproducing side one and side two track listings in the way vinyls did is required. It's much easier and in keeping with the principle of least astonishment to list them contiguously. Rationalobserver (talk) 18:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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  1. ^ https://www.facebook.com/terms.php November 15, 2013 version, accessed Aug 2 2014.