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Rothorpe was born on 19 July 2006, when I typed in my email name only to see it shockingly capitalised—but I quite like it now. I'm a nocturnal retired EFL teacher from London (100th of the 50th of the 20th), living in Esposende, Portugal. In 2003, laryngeal cancer killed my voice, causing Harpomarxism.

Having corrected the English of students of many nationalities and handwritings, copyediting is a doddle/aesthetic imperative/primal urge. Many of my edits are difficult to spot in "diffs" as they involve inconspicuous punctuation changes, closing spaces before refs, etc., though I often feel the need to improve a lead (or "lede", from the Greek ληδη). I've also rescued a few good paragraphs discarded in the process of reverting vandalism; it's quite easy to paste from "diffs".

Articles I started: Language: Back-chaining, List of artworks known in English by a foreign title; Music: Ace Cannon, Adam Holzman (keyboardist), Bernard van Dieren, Betty Humby Beecham, Carl Perkins (pianist), Cecil Gray (composer), Charlie Parker's Bird Symbols and Bird Is Free, Denis Colin, Dolceola, Dominique Gaumont, Earl-Jean, Ebony Concerto (Stravinsky), Edward Greenfield, Géraldine Laurent, Jay Berliner, Josh MacRae, Lou Johnson, Martin Lovett, Médéric Collignon, Miles Davis Live in Germany, New Morning (club), Piltdown Men, Robert Wyatt's Mid-Eighties, Steve Hunter, String-A-Longs, Terry Stafford; Record labels: Dimension, Herald, Palette, Pilz,[1] Spotlite, Warwick; List of HMV POP artists; Television: BBC-3 (TV series), Gerald Cross, Mezzo TV, Not So Much a Programme More a Way of Life, Ted Lune, Timothy Birdsall; Miscellaneous: Alan Odle, Figueira (Faro), The Last and the First.

Notes on formatting[edit]

Wikipedia is mostly a static, text medium, so its model should be print, not television or even other websites. Thus, I

  • close unsightly spaces, as, for example, on each side of a stroke/slash/solidus. It's thin and slanted so as to make spaces unnecessary—a space saver, not a space creator, as, for example, between the "Songs"/"On a Record". This ugly, amateurish-looking spacing ( / ) mirrors advertising, TV, website headings, etc., where commas may be felt to be insufficiently eye-catching. The spaced slash in prose is traditionally used only to indicate line breaks when quoting the non-prose of poems and songs. Here, people sometimes use spaces in prose cases that involve items of more than one word on either side of the slash, but these can be separated with a comma, conjunction, or ampersand (&). Nor should there be spaces around an em dash (a spaced em dash is used, for example in tests, to indicate that there is a — missing), or unquoted ellipsis, or en dash in the case of years (1234–1432); spaces are used for clarity between days (1 January 1234 – 31 December 2345). Nor should there be spaces when the hyphen - thus - is being used as a dash – though it really shouldn't be: an en dash—or em—cuts more of a dash.
  • remove bracket clashes in running prose (this kind of thing:) (ugh!), which would never be acceptable in a print publication (people are used to seeing them in Wikipedia lists), and replace them, usually with a semicolon (like this; that's better: see Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Brackets and parentheses). (And see PAIS Alliance for a good example of how to format a complex lead.)
  • deplore the foolish practice of changing date formats between so-called American and British. Both styles are correct in both varieties of English (the Fourth of July, for example) and I never encountered this false distinction in pre-Wikipedian times (though omitting the article in speech—'July fifth'—is distinctly American). Similarly, there is no point in fastidiously standardising the date format throughout an article: it is not a matter of spelling. (But when the year is mentioned I do prefer to put the day first: it's more logical and avoids commas—and logical dates go with logical quotes.) A real, and very common, mistake, though, is attempting to balance 'from' with a dash: 'from 1950–2010' means from that period to another, unstated time, but usually the intended meaning is 'from 1950 to 2010'.
  • remove Incorrect or Unnecessary Capital Letters like These. Proper capitalisation is important to distinguish the general from the particular: the Earth goes round the Sun, and if there's too much sun the earth dries out and develops cracks. Fans of different types of music often mistakenly capitalise them, from jazz to jungle, probably because of the names of music charts ("#51 Country", etc.). There are those who capitalise the names of currencies, probably because many of them sound like proper nouns: franc, for example, or mark (though those two have now vacated the scene—almost—in favour of the equally capitalised-sounding euro). Some people seem to capitalise words just because they've never seen or heard them before. Sometimes there are contentious examples: I'm happy to have been on the winning side in the case of trojan moons and asteroids. (Single and singly hyphenated letters are capitalised, however: an X, T-shirt, B-side.) Useful: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Composition titles.


And then there is the word the in running prose (see WP:THECAPS). People wanted to write "The Beatles" with a capital "T" all the time because "'The' is part of the name". There was a vote, and uncapitalised "the" beat capitalised, but only by 2–1.[2] A capital T is necessary when referring to an article, as in "See The Beatles", but what I think was happening is that people were confusing names with titles, e.g. The Great Gatsby. Titles have the capital, names don't: the Troubles. It could also be a matter of being influenced by the look of wikilinks: if the second word in the important-looking blue bit has a capital, so should the first. No.

Neither is it a matter of British and American. Here's the Chicago Manual of Style: "When the name of a band requires the definite article, lowercase it in running text." [1]

Wikilinks certainly cause people to be careless about punctuation following them, leaving out commas after parentheses, for example, especially after locations of locations, as for example in "A hotel in Mecca, Saudi Arabia collapses". Two more things I do: insert compound-attributive-adjective-clarifying hyphens, and normalise meaningless hard-on-the-eye magazine-style chunks of italics.

Wikipedia's most abused words[edit]

  • however—where it is too strong (an adverb, not a conjunction) and needs changing to but, though or whereas. The misuse is usually advertised by the lack of a comma after it: "She likes cats, however she doesn't like dogs" instead of "but she doesn't like dogs". (When this "however" is the right word beginning a sentence, a comma will help distinguish it from "However many/often/hard...". Compare "however, it was done" with "however it was done...", the latter meaning "in whatever way it was done").
  • would, especially in music articles, as narrative-style padding instead of the simple past tense: "In June they would release their 94th album".
  • likely used as an adverb, as in "some of these stars likely have Earth-like planets", an American colloquialism. True, there aren't too many synonyms of "probably", but, used formally, "likely" is an adjective, a synonym of "probable" ("a likely story") though with wider usage ("they are likely to have planets") and this is its only use in British English and formal American. (The man who finds the planets, the US astronomer Mike Brown, grades these terms with weird precision, so that "are likely to be" is more probable than "are probably".)
  • as of, a placeholder expression that should be changed or removed when information is updated (as of March 2014 = in March 2014; as of today = today).
  • multiple, the latest substitute for many, and particularly clunky.
  • better known as—then put it first!

Webstr's unfinisht legacy[edit]

I try not to worry too much about American spelling in a British context and vice versa. The trouble with Noah (the man with the US dictionry, sorry, U.S. dictionerry) is he didn't go far enough, and American spelling remains just as daft as British. (And punctuation just daft.)

The Pedia and the Pendium[edit]

Citizendium is a wiki that aspires to be a reliable alternative to Wikipedia. It may achieve this goal before the end of the century but it is still quite small. It does however have my complete set of articles on English spelling and pronunciation, using the actual spelling instead of the International Phonetic Alphabet, and including a word list in retroalphabetical order. I invented this system: sát, mâde, pàrk, cāst, åll, ãir; sét, mê, vèin, fërn; sít, mîne, skì, bïrd; sóng, môde, moôn, lòve, foòt, wörd, ŏr (alas there is no "o" symbol with a ring to correspond to "å"); sún, mûse, fùll, pürr; neŵ, ẁant; gým, mŷ, keỳ, mÿrrh.

British pronunciations under threat: ámateur (-tə, AmE -chr), hárass (AmE haráss), prívacy (AmE prîvacy, cf. prîvate), resëarch (AmE rêsearch); word under threat: queûe, pronounced like cûe, meaning (to be part of) a line of waiting people.

I have my own idiolectical pronunciations of some astronomical objects, the result of reading astronomy books during my only-childhood in the 1950s, and I thought it might be interesting to list some of them here (compare notes?). Some I have dropped: I blame my dear father (1917–2002) for *Rìgel (= Rêgal, perhaps influenced by the cinema chain)—I eventually learnt to say Rîgel, rhyming with Nîgel. *Spìca (= BrE spêaker), though, was my fault, and now I conform and say Spîca (= BrE spîker).


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  • I'm in favour of trivia sections
  • People will add their pet facts
  • Reverting them feels cruel, integrating them feels foolish
  • Apartheid for trivia is the best policy

"The batsman's holding the bowler's willy"[edit]

When Brian Johnston said it on BBC radio's Test Match Special, I was watching television with the sound turned down, as one did, and, while the commentators giggled uncontrollably, I thought that much more often Holding would be bowling to Willey, fast bowler to all-rounder. It didn't occur to me that history would rewrite it, with Johnston himself reversing them in his autobiography, apparently, and others even claiming the story was apocryphal.

So, when the sources are unreliable, Wikipedia doesn't stand a chance.


  1. ^ This was a "Pilz Records" disambiguation page, but was deleted and redirected to the German label. I created it because I have two jazz CDs on a mysterious American Pilz (Entertainment, Inc.) label.
  2. ^ Incidentally, thanks to Wikipedia, I now know that the Beatles officially ceased to be Beatles on the day I ceased to be a teenager.

Nocturnal links[edit]

Thanks for these:

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Thank you for your great copyediting, spontaneous, thorough, engaged, evaluating alternatives, to the point, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:02, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Three years ago, you were the 70th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

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To my dear teacher Rothorpe. Whilst flicking through your user page, I was horrified to see that I have never given you a star, especially when I think of the many times you have helped me and my FAC's, such as here. Thank you for all you do and for correcting my many mistakes. Cassiantotalk 11:28, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
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Being in a good mood and feeling the urge to do something nice, I give you this barnstar that you earned every day w/o ever losing your temper like I and most editors have done on a regular basis. You always behave like an angel and I don't know how you do it in this crazy environment.TMCk (talk) 02:33, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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Many, many thanks for your constant work on Terry-Thomas. Both Cassianto and I are extremely grateful for your diligent attention! All the best - SchroCat (talk) 15:25, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
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For making Death of Jacintha Saldanha more readable. Thank you. Rayabhari (talk) 04:06, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
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For sticking it through during a long and tedious mediation while never losing your cool and remaining civil to all. Well done! ~ GabeMc (talk|contribs) 00:53, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for your help at Pink Floyd. It was promoted to FA today! ~ GabeMc (talk|contribs) 21:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
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For the hilarious comment in your edit summary at Odeon Records‎. Thanks for the fix. 78.26 (talk) 01:28, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
mm/dd/yy This user hates the mm/dd/yy date format and finds it illogical.

'Hates' is a little strong, but the fiddly comma separating the two numbers is neatly avoided by putting the month there instead.

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This user uses "logical quotation marks". Internal punctuation leads to factual errors. It's not a style issue!
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Thanks Rothorpe! You assisted in various ways on the Paul McCartney FAC. Thank you! Without your help and support McCartney would not be a FA today! ~ GabeMc (talk|contribs) 21:28, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you so much for your continuous copyedits to Murder of Selena. It is really appreciated! Warm wishes, Jonayo! Selena 4 ever 22:26, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for helping the article improve to FA standards by your copyedit ! --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you for your great copyediting, spontaneous, thorough, engaged, evaluating alternatives, to the point, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:02, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
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I give you this Ukraine Barnstar for copy editing Family of Yulia Tymoshenko! Editors who perform these tasks should be more appreciated in Wikipedia I do believe!
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I hereby award this barnstar for your relentless silent work behind the lines to improve Wikipedia. The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 22:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
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I am delighted to award you this Barnstar for consistent attention to detail. TerriersFan (talk) 21:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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For your immediate willingness to help improving the English language of articles and your valuable copyediting work. JCAla (talk) 08:32, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
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