User:Timeshifter
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I am one of many editors on full or partial strike until the Wikimedia Foundation deals with editor retention problems: Unchecked abuse by admins, arbitrary guideline interpretation, unresolved content disputes, not enough arbitrators, rude or speedy deletions, etc.. See also. |
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User:Timeshifter/Userboxes. User:Timeshifter/More articles and less editors.
User:Timeshifter/Unresolved content disputes.
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Western systemic bias.
See WikiProject Countering systemic bias.
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In the immortal words of Tony Manero (John Travolta) in Saturday Night Fever:
- Everybody's dumping on everybody.
- Even the humping is dumping. [1]
Thoughts are free - Song lyrics liked by the White Rose resistance.
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This user believes that articles are useless without images. |
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This user strives to maintain a policy of neutrality on controversial issues. |
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In case you were wondering, I am American, and I do not have any particular religious beliefs. My spiritual beliefs range widely, and they change. For a little more about me see #My bias and #Userboxes below. My Wikimedia commons user page is at commons:User:Timeshifter. My Meta user page is at meta:User:Timeshifter.
War (Bob Marley song). LIVE: [2].
Part of Haile Selassie’s 1963 United Nations speech that appears in "War:"
That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned; That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation; That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained;
WikiProject Palestine Open Tasks
Wikipedia:WikiProject Palestine/to do. Copy and paste this code below into user and talk pages:
- {{todo|target=Wikipedia:WikiProject Palestine}}
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- ^ Kehila Kedosha Janina Synagogue and Museum, The Holocaust in Ioannina.
- ^ Raptis, Alekos and Tzallas, Thumios, Deportation of Jews of Ioannina, Kehila Kedosha Janina Synagogue and Museum, July 28, 2005.
- ^ "War On Gaza Day 14" (in Arabic). Al-Jazeera. Jan. 9, 2009. http://cc.aljazeera.net/node/28.
- ^ "War On Gaza Day 17" (in Arabic). Al-Jazeera. Jan. 12, 2009. http://cc.aljazeera.net/node/30.
Palestinian refugees in 1948:
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Wikipedia and the Commons need more charts and graphs. See: commons:Commons:Chart and graph resources.
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- Category:War casualties
- commons:Category:War casualties
- commons:Category:2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict casualties
- commons:Category:Palestinian casualties of the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict
- commons:Category:Israeli casualties of the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict
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[edit] WikiProjects and more
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I am a member of these WikiProjects:
- Cannabis
- Copyright Cleanup
- Correction and Detention Facilities
- Countering systemic bias/Global perspective
- Discrimination
- Drug Policy
- Free Software
- Human rights
- Illustration
- Images and Media
- Israel Palestine Collaboration
- Maps
- Middle Eastern military history
- Organized Labour
- Palestine
- United States Public Policy
- Vietnam
See also:
- Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines
- Category:Wikipedia policies and guidelines
- Template:Wikipedia policies and guidelines
- Wikipedia userboxes
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This user has been a member of Wikipedia since 7 October 2005. |
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This user is a member of the Kindness Campaign. |
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This user is part of the Countering Systemic Bias WikiProject |
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| 1RR | This user prefers discussing changes on the talkpage rather than engaging in an edit war. |
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| السلام-שלום | This user participates in WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration. |
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This user rescues articles for the Article Rescue Squadron. |
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This user knows that replacing one bias with another is not cleanup. |
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This user advocates the bold, revert, discuss cycle. |
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This user agrees that nationalism is Wikipedia's plague. |
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I support on/off buttons for opt-in ads on a nonprofit Wikipedia for all readers (via cookies). |
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This user supports integrated, interwiki, global watchlists. |
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This user has rollback rights on the English Wikipedia. (verify) |
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| This user knows both major US parties have been hijacked by special interests, can no longer identify with either one, and has no hope that the situation will ever improve. |
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[edit] Graphics tools, methods, links
- Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Image workshop
- commons:Commons:Chart and graph resources
- commons:Commons:Map resources
- commons:Category:Commons resources
- Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Resources
- meta:Philip Greenspun illustration project.
- meta:Philip Greenspun illustration project/Requests - request creation/improvement of illustrations.
Related categories for diagrams, charts, graphs, maps:
There are additional resources below that are not directly listed in the above links.
- Wikibooks:wikibooks:Computer software bookshelf#Graphics and video software
- http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Gimp/WebHome
- http://en.flossmanuals.net/write
IrfanView is a great, highly-rated freeware image editor.
KompoZer is a good, free, web page editor.
GIF images are fine for graphics on wikipedia. See this discussion, and this one.
Transparency works in GIF images. I am not familiar with all the intricacies though. Many graphics do not need transparency. Especially when used on wikipedia pages. I noticed that GIF images using transparency have to be done correctly if the images are to be scaled. Otherwise one gets the jaggy, laddered edges. There are ways to make the transparency work correctly with GIF images according to this:
[edit] Copying maps and charts from PDF files
Ask for map help of any kind on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps talk page, or ask the project participants directly on their talk pages.
Another very active place to seek map help is at:
- Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Image workshop - Creates and/or improves maps.
See many map sources, help, work, and template links here:
It is usually better if uploaders make and upload PNG or GIF copies of maps and charts found in PDF documents. PNG and GIF are free, lossless, uncompressed, sharper formats. Please do not use the JPG image format for map and chart graphics. JPG images, and subsets cropped from them, get progressively more and more blurry since JPG is always compressed. Even at the highest quality levels.
I use the freeware IrfanView. It is great for pasting in full or cropped sections of PDF maps, and then converting to GIF or PNG. One can continue to crop further subsets without loss of clarity.
Image formats such as JPEG (JPG) that use lossy data compression, are generally not as good for images that have sharp lines and text in them. When scaled the compression process used for these formats can make lines and text appear "fuzzy" (especially at higher compression levels), even if they were sharp when originally created.
This is not usually a problem with thumbnail JPG images in Wikipedia articles. People can click the image to enlarge it and see a sharper version of the image. But with scaled, intermediate-sized JPG images in a Wikipedia article it can be a problem. That is because the MediaWiki software compresses the image somewhat while scaling it, and the image may look "fuzzy", and have compression artifacts. MediaWiki does not scale JPG images using the highest quality settings.
Even at the highest quality settings there is no JPG setting for saving an image that will not compress the image a little. It is always a lossy compression. See: [3]
[edit] WikiProject Countering Systemic Bias open tasks
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[edit] My bias
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I support WP:NPOV (Wikipedia:Neutral point of view).
I am pro-Palestinian. I also support progressives from any wing of Israeli politics. I support a two-state solution concerning Israel and a future state of Palestine. It would be even better if a rough consensus would emerge among all people there for a non-theocratic, one-state solution with genuine religious toleration and freedom for all.
For the right sidebar see: {{North American slave revolts}}
[edit] Media bias
Wikipedia is so popular that it could be considered part of the mass media. The Alexa traffic rank of Wikipedia is 8 worldwide. See:
That means only 7 web sites get more daily page views than Wikipedia. Here are some relevant wikipedia pages concerning media bias, religious influence, lobbying, etc..
- - Media bias#Vis-a-vis religious issues
- - Pat Robertson, 700 Club, Category:Left Behind series, Christian Zionism.
- - Israel lobby in the United States, Arab lobby in the United States, Pallywood.
- - Clear Channel, Air America Media, Right-wing radio (redirects to Conservatism#Radio).
- - Echo chamber (media), Vast right-wing conspiracy, Liberal media (redirects to Media bias).
- - Christian right, Christian left, Jewish lobby, Ethnic interest group.
- - Spin (public relations), Interest group, Campus Watch, CAMERA Israeli lobby campaign in Wikipedia
- - Media manipulation, Framing (social sciences), Fear mongering, Code word racism.
- - Smear campaign, Foreign policy interest group, Attack ad.
- - The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, Managing the news, Gatekeeping (communication),
- - Propaganda, Bandwagon effect, Disinformation, Flag-waving, Scapegoating.
[edit] Practicing WP:NPOV
WP:NPOV (Wikipedia:Neutral point of view). Implementing NPOV in articles is dependent on civil discussion of disagreements. See Wikipedia:Civility. It is also dependent on understanding the difference between guidelines and policies.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
http://www.bartleby.com/100/420.47.html
http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/foolishconsi.html
Guidelines versus policies. Quote of interest above (emphasis added).
[edit] Systemic bias in English Wikipedia and English media.
See:
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Global perspective
Ultra-nationalist editors and tag teams are bad enough. Systemic bias is even more difficult for wikipedia and WP:NPOV neutrality. Wikipedia is about neutrality (WP:NPOV). If more editors fully understood it, there would be less problems. If more people allowed all significant viewpoints to be shown (from reliable sources), then there would be less complaints, because people could not say that their POVs were not being expressed.
People who insist that ONLY their particular POV be expressed on a wikipedia page will not be happy, and should leave, or be banned (at least temporarily), from wikipedia. It is against a core wikipedia policy (WP:NPOV). WikiProject "Countering systemic bias" is about expanding wikipedia's expression of all significant viewpoints. Especially, those viewpoints suppressed by institutionalized bias, racism, bigotry, ignorance, culture, etc..
I usually say something concerning unbalanced POVs (even ones I agree with) when it is brought up concerning parts of articles I have worked on. I try to be intellectually honest and fair. I don't just do this out of charity. I want my edits to be treated the same way by others.
When I point out some unbalanced POV that an editor has inserted, I want them to be intellectually honest too. Fair is fair. It is common-sense fair play. When I say "Unbalanced POV" I am referring to a POV being expressed in an article without the balance of other POVs. Wikipedia maintains a neutral point of view in the narrative voice of the article by expressing the various POVs in the form of X says Y.
[edit] Israeli human rights violations in the Palestinian territories
Note: See: {{Banner WPIPC}}. It seems things have been improving since the creation of Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration after this section was first written, but in some areas things are still moving along glacially when one compares the subcategories in these two "human-rights-by-country" categories:
- Category:Human rights in the United States
- Category:Human rights in the Palestinian territories - (In my mind the West Bank and the Gaza Strip are already countries).
The following discussion between the lines was copied from
There doesn't seem to be a good article on the Israeli occupation of the territories, including such things as security arrangements, the barrier, checkpoints, travel restrictions, settlements, citizenship, roads, water rights and so on. There is some information in Allegations of Israeli apartheid, but that's focussed on the word "apartheid" rather than more general. —Ashley Y 09:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- I copied this from that section:
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- Occupation of Palestine has been reduced to a (very problematic) disambiguation page. As far as I can tell, anyone looking for this quite important topic under its obvious name will be sent down a maze of twisty little passages. Further comments at Talk:Occupation of Palestine#A nonsense and/or an evasion, which is probably where this should be discussed. - Jmabel | Talk 07:06, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- As for human rights abuses under occupation please see
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Arab-Israeli conflict#February 2007
- Here is the relevant info copied from there:
- Accusations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
- Allegations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
- Some editors and admins improperly deleted this page, and blocked all attempts to restore the page, and to rename the page. See Talk:Allegations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. It has been suggested that the info in the article that this talk page refers to could be merged with Al-Aqsa Intifada. See this AFD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Accusations against Israel of war crimes during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. The closing admin for that AFD said the material should be kept. Currently the article redirects to Al-Aqsa Intifada. The article can no longer be found at its original location except in some of the page revisions such as this one. The original page is also found here: User:Timeshifter/Al-Aqsa Intifada Archive. Old page?. In that location the embedded links have been converted to footnote links. That way the relevant material can be more easily moved to other wikipedia pages. There is probably too much material to move all of it to existing pages, because no page focuses only on the topic of human rights under Israeli occupation. One suggestion has been to put the info in a completely new article with a new title. This title could not be used: "Human rights in the Palestinian territories". It currently redirects to Human rights in the Palestinian National Authority. That page does not cover human rights violations by Israeli occupation. There are other possibilities for titles: "Human rights under Israeli occupation," or "Human rights in Israeli-controlled territories" or "Alleged human rights violations in Israeli-controlled territories" or something else. There are parallels in article names such as Human rights in pre-Saddam Iraq and Human rights in Saddam's Iraq. This may help: Wikipedia:Naming conflict. See also: Portal:Human rights and Category:Human rights for ideas. Over time WP:NPOV help is needed to move the lengthy info. You can help. It may be possible to move some of the info to here: Human rights in Israel#Human rights record in Occupied territories. Maybe a "further information" link from it could link to a spinout article titled "Israel's human rights record in the occupied territories." --Timeshifter 03:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- So, it seems that it will take some dedication and WikiProject teamwork to get WP:NPOV info into wikipedia in articles focused specifically on those topics. --Timeshifter 10:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
There is the article Israeli-occupied territories. Its scope includes the Golan Heights as well as the Palestinian Territories. Sanguinalis 13:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link to that article. I think that article needs to be vastly expanded, and/or WP:SPINOUT articles created, to include more info on the things mentioned by Ashley Y (especially the hardships experienced by Palestinians): "such things as security arrangements, the barrier, checkpoints, travel restrictions, settlements, citizenship, roads, water rights and so on." Also, the human rights abuses that are alleged in the info I linked to higher up.
- Occupation of the Palestinian territories redirects to Palestinian territories. I can find no wikipedia page focussed on the Israeli-imposed hardships, or on the alleged Israeli human rights abuses, in the Palestinian territories. Looking at the edit history of Israeli-occupied territories is enlightening.
- The main little bit of focussed info on the topic is at
- Human rights in Israel#Israel's record: human rights in the occupied territories.
- I think it is an obvious systemic bias to put that info there. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias. The Palestinian territories are NOT in Israel. Read the article Palestinian territories. Israel occupies the Palestinian territories, at least according to the UN and most of the world. So why does wikipedia treat it differently at times? Why is the main discussion of alleged Israeli human rights abuses buried in a non-obvious location? It would take a determined reader to find it. The average wikipedia reader may not find it.
- Please see also:
- Wikipedia:Notice board for Palestine-related topics#October 2007 --Timeshifter 14:28, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
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- I agree with all of the above. Sanguinalis 02:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Israeli Foreign Ministry's organized campaign on Wikipedia
Related info and discussion:
- Template:Arab-Israeli Arbitration Enforcement.
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration/Current Article Issues/Archive. Outside organizing of editing.
Please see:
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive278#Organised POV-pushing campaign on the way?
- WikiEN-l. Conflict of Interest and lobbyists for foreign governments.
- Hasbara Fellowships Newsletter for May 31, 2007. Section titled "Wikipedia.org"
- About Hasbara Fellowships - IsraelActivism.com
Related administrator arbitration, actions, incidents, etc.:
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Statement re Wikilobby campaign
[edit] DMI Comparison between Anonymous Palestinian and Israeli Wikipedia Edits
Using WikiScanner the Digital Methods Initiative (DMI) site has an analysis called:
Israeli anonymous edits outnumbered Palestinian anonymous edits several times over.
[edit] Isarig and his sockpuppets banned from editing anything relating to Arabs and Israel.
Note: It looks like Isarig has exercised his right-to-vanish since this section was first written. See this deletion log and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#User:Isarig is no longer with us. See also the "right-to-vanish" reason mentioned here. He came back later as the banned user User:NoCal100. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/NoCal100/Archive. Isarig's past contributions can now be found here:
- Former user 2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Isarig was almost permanently banned from wikipedia because of his use of sockpuppets in order to favor the ultranationalist Israeli POV in many articles. I call this the "Israel can do no wrong" POV.
December 20, 2007 diff. Avi wrote (emphasis added): "Just for reference, I talk with Fayssal before he performed the block, and I agree with his action. Isarig, you have to demonstrate the ability to consistently edit articles completely separate from anything relating to Arabs and Israel, in a neutral, sock-free fashion, for a significant length of time, before the ban is lifted. Continued violation of the terms of your probation may result in ban extension or permanence."
August 30, 2007 topic ban placed on User:Isarig for at least 6 months, with possible extensions. See:
- Wikipedia:Community_sanction_noticeboard/Archive12#Isarig
- Wikipedia:Community_sanction_noticeboard/Archive12#Consensus.3F
- Wikipedia:Community_sanction_noticeboard/Archive12#Resolution
- Wikipedia:Community_sanction_noticeboard/Archive13#User:Isarig
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive309#Isarig violating terms of mentorship.
Sockpuppets confirmed August 24, 2007. See:
Confirmed. The following users are the same:
- Isarig (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- Clintonesque (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- Teens! (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
Confirmed. The following users are the same:
These may not be all the Isarig sockpuppets. I don't believe Isarig should be allowed to edit any part of wikipedia until he reveals all his sockpuppets. Some "Truth and reconciliation commissions" require public confession of all crimes before any leniency is allowed.
I believe the topic ban should be extended to at least a year. Other people have gotten a complete ban from editing all topics for a year for smaller infractions of the rules.
[edit] Related Portals, WikiProjects, Notice boards
- Category:WikiProject Middle East
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Middle Eastern military history task force
- Portal:Middle East
- Portal:Israel
- Portal:Palestine
- Portal:Palestine/Opentask
- Category:WikiProject Israel
- Category:WikiProject Palestine
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel
- Wikipedia:Notice board for Israel-related topics
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Palestine
- Wikipedia:Notice board for Palestine-related topics
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Palestine
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Palestine
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Middle East
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Arab world
[edit] Barnstars and other things of note
The following comment was copied from User talk:Timeshifter.
WikiProject Ireland Collaboration
Thank you for initiating this project. There may be a great opportunity for it - please check out talk:Ireland#Ireland article names: Request for Remedy 2 and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration. — Sebastian 06:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
The barnstars below were copied from my user talk page, and its archives. The latest one is on top.
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| To Timeshifter, for contributing to the Internet "meme" (as reported in the The Washington Post) of "Neda," the slain Iranian protester. — Justmeherenow 07:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| Thanks for saving File:Day 18 of War on Gaza.PNG from deletion by doing a little legwork and using your extensive knowledge of copyright and image description procedures. Its much appreciated. Tiamuttalk 15:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC) |
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The Working Man's Barnstar | |
| For your work on compiling detailed maps, free images, and in your efforts in categorization. Tiamut 20:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC) |
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The Barnstar of Diligence | |
| For your efforts at organizing regional maps in the commons and your patience in explaining those efforts Tiamut 22:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC) |
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The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar | |
| For remaining cool and encouraging others to do so, while retaining editorial integrity and passionately advocating for the truth (all POVs) to be presented :) Tiamut 10:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC) |
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The Barnstar of Diligence | |
| For diligence on the Iraq War subtitle debate and for helping solve a very tough issue. Also, nice work on keeping everyone (myself included) honest on the various casualties sections. Nicely done. Publicus 21:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC) |
[edit] Impolite spam fighters
A small minority of spam fighters is very rude and intimidating to new editors.
Guidelines versus policies. Quote of interest (emphasis added):
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
http://www.bartleby.com/100/420.47.html
http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/foolishconsi.html
Some of the info from this section has been moved to the archive page:
Many spam fighters and spam admins need a crash course in civility. See WP:CIVIL.
Better yet would be to create a new policy that says that unregistered users can not add links to the external link sections of articles, or to lists.
This policy could be pointed out in the edit window of articles. Since everyone would know of this policy, then anyone could enforce it. There would be much less disruption by rude spam fighters and spam admins who create so much ill will among both newbies and experienced editors.
This new policy would not be an arbitrary, contradictory policy like the current WP:EL spam policy that is enforced in many cases by almost-robotic spam fighters who rarely actually contribute to articles themselves. They have little understanding of the compromises made to get articles written. These spam fighters parachute into articles and delete links agreed to by the editors of the articles. They also camp out at WP:EL and cause continual disruption.
The current spam policy is just another example of an ill-conceived, arbitrarily-enforced policy on wikipedia. No inexperienced editor (like most spam fighters and unregistered users) should be using their personal, independent, even quixotic, interpretations of WP:EL to override the considered consensus of the registered editors of an article and their considered interpretations of WP:EL. Not even spam admins with real experience in creating articles (and not just deleting links) should be parachuting into articles and overriding a rough consensus.
Rude, disruptive spam admins are the root of the problem because they set the example for the other spam fighters.
If the more cordial spam admins wanted a comprehensive solution to the spam problem, then they would push for the new policy about unregistered users not being allowed to add external links.
But then some rude spam fighters would lose nearly all of their arbitrary power and the self-gratification that many of these spam fighters evidently seem to get from abusing their power.
It is hard not to get sucked into wasting time arguing with various groups of tendentious tag team spam fighters. See WP:Wikihounding.
So wikipedia as a whole, and especially admins outside spam central, need to step in and rein in another group of tendentious tag-team disrupters on wikipedia.
[edit] Many spam fighters support Microsoft and big commercial interests
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- Category:Freeware
- Category:Free software
- Portal:Free software
- Portal:Free software/categories
- Category:Open source licenses
- Category:WikiProject Free Software
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Software/Free Software
- Category:Technology-related lists
- Category:Internet service providers
- Category:Software comparisons
- wikiversity:Category:Computer science
- wikiversity:Category:Computer science/Software
- wikiversity:Category:Computer science/Software/Free software
Some of the info from this section and/or related sections has been moved to the archive page:
There needs to be some sort of equivalent to Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration. Something like
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists and Free Software Collaboration
Lists are just another info presentation format. Just like images, tables, charts, diagrams, bullet points, tables of contents, "see also" sections, paragraphs, sentences, etc.. List policies and guidelines are already covered in detail in various guideline and policy pages.
Much of the deletionist frenzy concerning lists comes from a minority of rude (see WP:CIVIL) tendentious spam fighters and a few closely-associated admins.
A simpler solution to spam is to make a policy forbidding unregistered users from adding external links to the external link sections of articles, or to lists. Then all registered users could enforce the policy, and control of articles would go back to the registered editors of the articles.
Wikipedia as a whole, and especially admins outside spam central, need to step in and rein in this spam-fighting group of tendentious tag-team disrupters on wikipedia. They parachute into many articles and disrupt carefully worked-out consensus agreements, and/or delete large sections of articles that took years to create.
Free software and freeware articles seem to get messed up often by spam fighters and other deletionists in their evident support of Microsoft and other "notable" monopolies or commercial software.
All info in articles has to meet wikipedia guidelines. See the table higher up to the right. Lists shouldn't have to meet a higher standard arbitrarily set up and enforced by a few outlaw spam admins and their followers.
It took multiple WP:ArbCom rulings, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration, to finally control several outlaw admins, and those who followed their example, in that topic area.
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