User talk:Ukuk

Disambiguation note

Hi Ukuk! I saw that you modified the format of the disambiguation block at the top of the Lille article from:

This is about the city in France. For other uses, see Lille (disambiguation).

to

The following article is about the term Lille in the context of the French city. See Lille (disambiguation) for other meanings.

basically, my question is about your replacement of the semicolumn by a line. Is the anything in the Manual of Style about it? Thanks. olivier 07:21, May 16, 2004 (UTC)

I just made the message match the pattern I saw in most articles I read. I did not read any documentation about this.

I see. There is apparently no real standard and both ways seem to be found quite extensively within Wikipedia. olivier 15:17, May 18, 2004 (UTC)

Well, in fact, i think i prefer the more compact way, i'll use it now (: Thx for the hint (=

Metric units

Hi there,

Glad to see you contributing. I note that you have added 'mkg' values. I am aware of foot pound force and newton metre. The unit joule (symbol: J) is valid but I have never seen it used in this application. The construction 'mkg' for torque is new to me, can you give some indication of where it is used?
Bobblewik 12:06, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your response on the other page, I have only just seen it. I am surprised to see kgf being used as part of a torque unit. The kilogram force (which I would write as 'kgf') was officially replaced by the newton a while back. As far as I am aware, Nm is used throughout Europe in car magazines and on tools. Similarly, the foot pound is used throughout the USA. The UK used foot pounds in the past and now uses Nm.

Multiplication of units is shown by a dot ( . ) character (as in N.m), or by nothing (as in Nm). So the use of a slash ( / ) or a hyphen ( - ) is definitely wrong. It could imply a different calculation. I note that Yamaha uses a hyphen and therefore is wrong.

What units do they use on torque wrenches in your country?

Bobblewik 12:57, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well, thanx for such brilliant remarks. As I'm an expert neither in Motorcycles nor in Physics as you seem to be, i can only tell some manufacturers use it. Ducati and Aprilia use the notation kgm on their websites -Ducati uses only that unit- Yamaha Brazil uses kgm/f, Yamaha Europe uses kg-m...

Ok, a rapid search on Wikipedia leads to Kgf which suggests that the symbol is kgf, so let's use it (: Ukuk 01:35, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Actually, the page Kgf does not exist. You will have been redirected to Kilogram-force which mentions the symbol 'kgf'. Note that the symbol for 'kilo' must be a lower case 'k', it is only symbols from mega ('M') upwards that are capitals. Strange but true. See the list at the official SI website [1].

You cannot express torque in units of force alone. So just 'kgf' by itself is not correct. You need metres too. I would recommend 'kgf.m' or 'm.kgf'. You could write kgfm or mkgf but I think that is not so good. However, we already use 2 ways of expressing torque on Wikipedia and it gets complicated ensuring that articles note both of them. Readers need either foot pounds or newton metres. I am not convinced that there is a need for a 3rd form of torque unit. I hope that we can simply drop it. It will be worth asking around. Can you check in Brazil and France to see what they use in magazines and for mechanics tools?

Bobblewik 12:07, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've asked the guy who repairs my motorbike, he said in Brazil people only uses m.kgf, he also said that it exists ft.lbf and asked about "Nwhat ??", obviously Nm is not used here (: In France N.m seems to dominate even if m.kgf persists.

Thanks.

Bobblewik 13:10, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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In order to be mentioned in the Wikipedia, a band must be fairly notable. Local bands are only notable enough if they are extremely influential on the local scene. Sorry. Tuf-Kat 14:27, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. If you disagree, I recommend you bring it up at Wikipedia:Requests for comment, Talk:Grindcore and/or Wikipedia:WikiProject Music standards. Tuf-Kat 18:46, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

Ford Maverick

I reverted your change to the Ford Maverick page. The categories were not suggesting that the same vehicle would be all-wheel drive, front wheel drive and rear wheel drive, but rather that vehicles under that name may be in one of those categories. Multiple models of Maverick have been sold worldwide; some all wheel drive, some not. —Morven 17:41, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

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