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Archive 2006



Happy New Year

Salutations, Cool Cat. I've returned from my (cough) mediocre (cough) trip with my girlfriend from the states and I've returned to Wikipedia. Happy New Year, and I'll return to work; feel free to ask for any assistance on the articles as always, my friend.

P.S. -Happy New Years! -MegamanZero|Talk 13:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Ahoy! Welcome back to the WFS Wikipedia. I am currently working on redoing the Oh My Goddess! character pages. As most being subs, its a rather demanding task, but hey thats ok. I am having difficulty finding good manga images of various characters, including Hijiri etc. Or even Belldandy.
If you are up for the task, please convert images to .png format and use the Image:Character name (Oh My Goddess manga).png format :) -- Cat chi? 16:17, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Concerning your recent edits to the OMG articles, may I inquire why you have transmogrified the templates again..? I thought they were fine the way they were; as the different corresponding colors gave each respective character page a distinct personality. I am not complaining, however, the new templates look very nice; I just found the new choice a tad odd. -MegamanZero|Talk 16:19, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh the colours were confusing. And often made the text unreadable (such as on skulds page). New template is more generic. The complete list of avalible commands you can use on the template is avalible at templates own page: Template:Oh My Goddess Infobox-Generic, fields left blank will not appear on the page (this takes care of tens of redudent unkowns and N/As. -- Cat chi? 16:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

There he goes again

Looks like davenbell is up to his slanderous habbits once again- he's sniping you: (here) and (here), (see near the bottom of the page)..... -_- -MegamanZero|Talk 19:57, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh I am well aware. Dec 6 edit. He will not suceed in provoking me like that tho :) -- Cat chi? 20:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Nevertheless, I gave him a little piece-of-mind about his disregard for other's consideration and wikipedia policy on his talkpage. -MegamanZero|Talk 20:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Meh he hasnt made edits since dec 6 :P I doubt he'll ever read. I really dont care about him much ^-^' Thanks for the heads up though. -- Cat chi? 20:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


Ever since the TheOrgy's arrivial, I has noticed that his username means very rude description in regard to the english language, and I find that somewhat offensive. Perhaps a "Usernameblock" template is in order. -MegamanZero|Talk 21:28, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... I can try to arrange that. -- Cat chi? 21:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Ok done. You should thank User:Phroziac for her assistance. :) -- Cat chi? 15:06, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

rv error

(moved Template:User browser:Firefox to Template:User Firefox: LEAVE IT ALONE!)

it is meant to be: User firefox -So we now have quad-redirects :P Ian13ID:540053 21:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok I moved it to template:User firefox I am terribly sorry for my mistake its just that I am tired of the moveing of this template, the changing image on display and all the copyright paranoia with it. -- Cat chi? 21:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


Thanks, and good work!

Thanks for cleaning that up for me! Have a Working Man's Barnstar for your good work there, and on Jimbo's travel schedule! -- Essjay · Talk 17:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

O_O' You know everything I do? You know all! /me panics like there is no tomorow... -- Cat chi? 17:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


I added some new sections to my userpage, tell me what you think. -MegamanZero|Talk 15:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I also have some breaking news: I've discovered more cats that edit wikipedia like you:

I have yet to find sufficient edvidence weather you all are related though. However, User:Kitty shares a close resemblense with you, he might be a distant cousin. :) -MegamanZero|Talk 18:33, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh we the cat cabal are taking over wiki :P -- Cat chi? 20:12, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
CAT CABAL!!! Noooo!!! ...Wait, that's not so bad- free tuna and milk, right..? I'm in. BTW, what do you think of the new "Un-civilty and inconsideration on Wikipedia is a dangerous path" and personality section on my usepoage I just added..? -MegamanZero|Talk 20:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I really cannot comment on your views regarding RfCs. Given I support Kellys actions (just not her speed). I think people are spending too much time on such a minor issue. It's a "show an arbitrator with mud" case... -- Cat chi? 21:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I was referring to how I set it up like your vandalism section. What's your opinion on that..? Don't you think they're similiar..? Also see this for my view on the subject- I also agree with Ms. Kelly's actions, but she handled them in a very wrong manner. -MegamanZero|Talk 21:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
OH it looks fine, tho often opinions of other users on userpages can be disasterious. -- Cat chi? 22:26, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

New user box

Hi Cool Cat, You seem to have every wikibox under the sun and that inspired me to make a new one for you!


P.S. Let me know if you're a leftie! Kevin 23:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

{{User masturbation-left}}

Amusing, I prefer Autofellatio. -- Cat chi? 23:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. Firstly, that userbox is exactly what started this shit with Ms. Kelly and the rfc's. Second, its appalling and can be considered clear violation of WP:NPA. Finally, its ridiculous, because simply put, Cool Cat is a cat, and he has paws that lack opposable thumbs for this sick joke of yours anyway. He has enough problems typing as it is. However, the point is that userbox is unacceptable, I'd remove it without delay. -MegamanZero|Talk 23:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Lighten up a little. You seem to be the most anally retentive person on Wikipedia :( Kevin 23:17, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Nonsense. This is too nasty to be even remotely humorous. -MegamanZero|Talk 23:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't do anal. -- Cat chi? 23:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Amen to that. -MegamanZero|Talk 23:26, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I identify as a gay man and I'm offended by your comment "Amen to that." Please abide by WP:NPA. Kevin 23:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I think this could be construed as a homophobic comment. What is wrong with anal? -
Ignore him, Kevin Mulligan is a known spammer and troll. -
Weee... This is beginning to get interesting... -- Cat chi? 23:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Indeed. I may not get any damn sleep now. -MegamanZero|Talk 23:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Dont wory about it Ill handle it. -- Cat chi? 23:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
:::With which hand? --
Handling it isn't the problem. Its just its hard to get sleep with stuff like this in your head. Better get some coffee and pull an all-nighter then...tomorrow's the beginning of the weekend anyway. -MegamanZero|Talk 23:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Autofellatio, no hands involved. -- Cat chi? 23:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Remember, he has paws...? No fingers. He is a cat. Please understand this.-MegamanZero|Talk 23:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Is he a furry? -
No he is shaved for the "shave the wales" campaign. -- Cat chi? 23:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I did this as a very minor troll but you two are feasting on it. I suggest you both get lives. Especially you MegamanZero, activity on your friend's talk page is not an excuse to "pull an all-nighter" although it's probably too late to tell you that, as I imagine you've wheeled the chair closer to the screen and settled down with a mug of cocoa, cock in hand, slowly masturbating to discussion on your friend's Wikipedia talk page. Kevin 23:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I do have a life, and you have provided quite an entertainment. -- Cat chi? 00:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
{{UsernameBlock}} —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)
No thanks. Try filing an RFC regarding my username instead. -- Cat chi? 00:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
"Minor trolling"..? Ridiculous. Trolling is trolling, no ifs, buts, NO CONDITIONS. And you started this, if I'm correct..? I don't start or "feast" on anything (except batteries), but I damn well do finish them. And you, are finished. -MegamanZero|Talk 00:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Special:Log/block: User:Kevin Mulligan is blocked by User:Essjay with an expiry time of indefinite: Admitted trolling [1]


Hi, I can't help noticing the user MegamanZero's username is an infringement of copyright - not to mention confusing for new users, who might genuinely believe Megaman is editing pages. Could you have a chat with some of your mates and see if you can get a {{Usernameblock}} put on him? Cheers.


Please stop reverting to that stupid wing image with your socks, the consensus was that nobody wanted it there. Thanks. Hexagonal 05:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry I have no idea what you are talking about. However I do know you are violating WP:NPA as well as WP:AGF by directing insults and accusations at me. Cease it at once! One more thing apperantly someone aside myself wants the image there. There was no consensus established. Consensus is a dynamic thing and can change at any given second depends on recent data. -- Cat chi? 13:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
You were the only one who supported it according to the talk page. Last night, two blatant sockpuppets began revert warring to keep the image in place. To quote the official policy concerning sockpuppets, "The Arbitration Committee has ruled that, for the purpose of dispute resolution, when there is uncertainty whether a party is one user with sockpuppets or several users with similar editing habits they may be treated as one user with sockpuppets." There is no other logical explanation for this. Hexagonal 02:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I think they are your sockpuppets in an attempt to get me blocked. There is no logical explanation!</sarcasm> Useless accusations such as this one will only lead to your block. Please stop it. -- Cat chi? 02:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
They are not my sockpuppets. I don't know you, let alone have anything against you that would make me resort to sockpuppetry. I reverted those consensus-violating changes to the AGF article, and request that they stay that way. The community decided that the image is of zero value, and wants it left off of that page. Hexagonal 04:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Do not talk in the name of the comunity, not even Jimbo Wales does that. Also you have the option of either ceasing your pointless acusations or seek checkusers to check me. Try User:Kelly Martin or User:David Gerard. If you do not cease to bother me with this I will ask for adin asistance. Please stop waisting my time. -- Cat chi? 04:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm speaking of the consensus that was reached on the talk page. You were the only one who wants it to stay, and many others want it removed. The image simply cannot stay - you aren't Jimbo Wales, and can't override a decision by a group like this. Hexagonal 04:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me can you please leave me alone? I do not know what your problem is and I frankly do not care. GO AWAY! -- Cat chi? 04:59, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you have any idea who you are accusing of sockpuppetary and vandalism? -- Cat chi? 04:41, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Please see Un-civilty and inconsideration on Wikipedia is a dangerous path.-MegamanZero|Talk 14:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Counter Un-civility Unit

Wikipedia:Counter Un-civility Unit is a new wiki-project I have thought up. I was wondering if you thought it was a good idea and if you wanted to join up. I need some users backing me before I construct a wikiproject, and you seem to share my views on subjects such as consensus, civilty, etc. Reply on my talkpage if you're interested. Thanks, -MegamanZero|Talk 16:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

You are really getting carried away with this. Uncivility is treated with apathy wehenever an issue. No need to form an organisation against it. -- Cat chi? 16:48, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I am running for mediator right now, and I believe this project is a good way to introduce working together in wikipedia, mediating issues, discussing how to go about consensus, etc. I do not plan to hunt down anyone or anything such as that, no. :) -MegamanZero|Talk 17:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Too much of a good thing is bad, dont forget that :). Take it a bit slow as people tend to get wrong ideas otherwise. -- Cat chi? 17:12, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I'm taking it slow indeed- I'm going to be setting this up all weekend, and support from you would be very appreiated as I plan to make it a sister project to your Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit. I would really like your help and support in this. -MegamanZero|Talk 17:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Speaking of vandalism, take a look at the slew of new "odd edits" I've added to my userpage. -MegamanZero|Talk 05:14, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Nice ones, though VfDs and RfAs are full of odd edits. Real challenge is to find them in article namespace :D -- Cat chi? 05:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Shall I add them to your odd edits section..? -MegamanZero|Talk 05:36, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
No, lets compete. In one month thime who will have the oddest edits. Its not the quantity, its the oddness that counts. Its a first come first serve one so as t evade dupes. -- Cat chi? 05:41, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Competetion, you say..? Seems you are serious about this... Okay, I'll accept. Let's get it done! :) One condition, however: the winner recieves a barnstar of some sort. -MegamanZero|Talk 06:21, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia: Policy proposal - Stop Babel now

Cool Cat - If you feel so strongly about boycotting the Babel project, TfD is most certainly not the place for this. The usual way is to suggest a policy that can be discussed for a reasonable amount of time. We are all really curious about why you think the rest of the world which uses five or six-scale evaluation systems is wrong. Express your concerns on Babel in a policy statement (Wikipedia: Policy proposal - Stop Babel now) and withdraw your nomination on TfD. You are not even giving a reason on why you personally want to stop this successful project at this level and you never consulted with other users on the talk-page of Babel. Since you are trying to prove your point a policy proposal corresponds to your needs much better since it will be on longer and people can much more efficiently block the advancement of Babel. --Fenice 08:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh I want to express but the link you have doesn't seems to be working. -- Cat chi? 10:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Infobox coloring (!)

Errr, I noticed that you've changed the coloring/style for Template:Infobox animanga. Please please please don't make such changes without prior discussion at Template talk:Infobox animanga. - mako 09:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Gray was ugly and I was being bold, I'll post there but I really felt a discusseion is wasn't necesary. Tonikaku, I'll be more careful in the future. -- Cat chi? 10:37, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Copy vio?

An image created for wikipedia by wikipeedia violates copyrights? One of the copy was 20px. No one can tell what it is. I am kinda confused. -- Cat chi? 21:17, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Huh? what are you talking about? --Gmaxwell 21:19, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
You removed images from my userpage telling me "I should know better". I am sure you know about it. -- Cat chi? 21:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
OH! It was many hours ago and many edits ago, I'd completely forgotten! There were two copies of a copyrighted animation from the zero wing video game. My "you should know better" comment was because we'd talked about fair use on user pages ... and you'd already switched out a fair use image for a free one in advance of me asking. I removed the same animation from a half dozen other users who had it. Yes, it's funny, but it shouldn't be on your user page, you know this. As for one being 20px, ... if you say that no one knows what it is.. thats okay, so why not replace it with a nice dark blurry square which is equally meaningingless and doesn't require us to maintain a high resolution copyrighted image on the servers? :) Sorry for the initial confusion. --Gmaxwell 21:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
That clears things up, when I started using the image it was tagged as a {{parody}}. parody shows can air on national TV so I wasn't worrying about copyrights much (as the copyright holders do not care THAT much). After all its a derived work and the new version has little to do with the orriginal. Heavly edited parodies of shows come with their own copyrights right?.
You marked the image as a likely copyright violation. And before that discussion concluded you removed it from many peoples userpages, this is something I do not particularly like (the removal of images from peoples userpages w/o asking them). But the "damage" is done and I dont care about it. Just as a future referance. :)
You seem to know me but I cant recall. Who were you? I do recall discussing fair use images on my userpage with someone (I think NullC). I do not recall your nick :(
-- Cat chi? 18:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


Noticed you've been lagging behind in odd edits as of late... Better get some good ones because I'm on fire. :) -MegamanZero|Talk 19:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

BTW, shouldn't we set a date for the end of the competetion? -MegamanZero|Talk 21:17, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Meh let it go.. :) -- Cat chi? 18:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank goodness. I was scared to death you might have had a ace up your sleeve or something. :) -MegamanZero|Talk 18:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
What the hell?! You just said let it go! liar! :) Nice try, trying to sneak some odd eits behind my back for your comeback victory. However, I'm not quite fooled so easily. :) Sneaky Cool Cat. :P -MegamanZero|Talk 18:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I ment let it go on. :P -- Cat chi? 19:17, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm surprised you didn't nab that comment made by the anon in regards to my username. That one took the cake. :) -MegamanZero|Talk 19:23, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Your Help is needed...

Someone is pretending you gave them a barnstar when their history has no mention of you editing it. The link-[2]J.J.Sagnella 13:28, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Cool cat, i am keeping a eye on this user too, he looks suspicous and could try to bend the rules of Wikipedia for his gain. -Dynamo_ace Talk
Username                   :The great grape ape is straight out of the know
Total edits             :11
Image uploads           :1 (1 cur, 0 old)
Distinct pages edited   :10
Edits/page (avg)        :1.10
Deleted edits           :0 (browse)
First edit              :2006-01-10 02:40:10

Edits by namespace      Namespace       Edits
                        Articles        8
                        User            1
                        User talk       1
                        Image           1
I gave no award to any person before they started making edits. December 18, 2005 he perhaps wasn't even registered. -- Cat chi? 18:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:user CVU1-en

Yo, cool cat. Someone's been messing with the template 'user CVU1-en' which now looks like this

(if someone's fixed it now it mentioned Gay rights). Dunno how to revert it so could you sort it? Thanks Pydos 16:54, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Its been fixed. -- Cat chi? 18:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Its odd, but whilst the template was vandlaised, my "user CVU1-en" template remained un-vandalised. -MegamanZero|Talk 18:39, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Server chance needs time to be flushed. Generally templates dont change, thats the definition of a template. Static text. -- Cat chi? 18:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Did not realise that - i thought the template on other pages altered automatically when it was edited...that's why i noticed it on my user page. Anyway many thanks. Pydos 11:47, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


Hi there Cool Cat, Im Moe Epsilon. I would like for you to join in of the conversation about the above user at Wikipedia talk:Are You a Wikipediholic Test about his possible fake score on the test. I contacted you because you were one of the top scorers on the test, so you could probably tell if the score is fake or not. We would appriciate your input. — Moe ε 21:09, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I scored higher than Cool Cat.. :) -MegamanZero|Talk 21:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, that test thrives on honesty. One is not a Wikipediholic if they arent honest. Wikipedia thrives on honesty. There is little that can be done directly, if the user is disruptive by other means he can be treated for such. I'll check. -- Cat chi? 21:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you mind if I, or you if you prefer, cross-post this to this to the discussion at the test's talk page? — Moe ε 22:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
NO I dont mind. Make it happen. -- Cat chi? 13:15, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

POV edits

Please refrain from making POV edits to articles and then mislabeling the edit summary as a "revert" or a "copy edit" to cover it up. ([3]) 16:14, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Competetion: Zero vs. Cool Cat

Indeed, Cool Cat, you are a formidable foe. This edit is truly proof of your odd editism. But don't get cocky... The war still wages on, and I am in the lead! :) -MegamanZero|Talk 18:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

The great grape ape is straight out of the know

I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused, I have just joined Wikipedia and was testing my user page. Again, a thousand pardons and if there is any boon that I may beg upon you, don't hesitate to inquireThe great grape ape is straight out of the know 21:27, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Broken redirects

Going through the broken redirects page, I noticed there are several created by you. Last I checked, they were numbers 275 - 282 on the page; you may want to take a look. Deadsalmon 22:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up, the numbers seem toi be actual articles, can you link me to the broken redirect pages? I have over 18,000 edits hence have lost track of all :) -- Cat chi? 22:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Whoops, meant to do that. Here you go. User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/Fr-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/En-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/Ja-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/Bg-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/Pl-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/It-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/Es-lang.txt, User:Coolcat/IRC Bot/De-lang.txt. Old bot stuff, I suppose. Deadsalmon 22:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
All fixed... :) Thank you again for the headsup... -- Cat chi? 22:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem. On a different note, if you've got a minute, mind explaining to me if you've got a bot or some other easy way to copy text between talk pages as you've done? Do you just cut and paste? Thanks. Deadsalmon 22:28, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

The text files (now much more complex) are the language files on the bot. I paste it in english and people transalate it to their native langage. The IRC vandal fighting bot covers many wikis (9 languages) and 13+ projects I actually lost count and am too lazy to check. -- Cat chi? 22:31, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Good deal. Thanks for indulging my curiosity. Deadsalmon 22:34, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
...and addiction. At least now I can diagnose how bad it really is! Deadsalmon 22:40, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Cool Cat/IRC Bot

I responded to your comments. Sorry for the month-long delay, got carried away with work etc. -- Cat chi? 08:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC) I responded to your comments. Sorry for the month-long delay, got carried away with work etc. -- Cat chi? 08:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry, Wikipedia is a volunteer effort and you have no obligation to respond to all comments you get on your bot. :) Thanks for replying though. Btw, if NullC's bot can process the text of pages, why isn't it running on the IRC channels then? --Unforgettableid | talk to me 00:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Nullcs bot gets data directly from wikimedia servers. I do not have such access. :) -- Cat chi? 13:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


Hi, I can't help noticing the user MegamanZero's username is an infringement of copyright - not to mention confusing for new users, who might genuinely believe Megaman is editing pages. Could you have a chat with some of your mates and see if you can get a {{Usernameblock}} put on him? Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Please do not edit archive pages, instead use the respective talk pages. I nearly missed your post. -- Cat chi? 16:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
User:MegamanZeros username does not violate the blocking policy. Also see Wikipedia:Username. Thanks. -- Cat chi? 16:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
That, and he's disappointed that we found out his little charade with trolling the other night. This is clearly a petty way to attempt to get back at me. Its humorous though - "who might genuinely believe Megaman is editing pages" Get real. -MegamanZero|Talk 16:23, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I can imagine that, although I may not apear like one I am a megaman fan, it was the second game I got. Ah Megaman IV on NES. :) -- Cat chi? 17:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
But... How do you play the controller wiith those paws of yours...? :) -MegamanZero|Talk 17:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Trade secret. -- Cat chi? 17:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
You must tell me. ..NOW! draws (Z-saber) :) -MegamanZero|Talk 18:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh? (takes out his Katana). -- Cat chi? 19:05, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Another special trade secret. -MegamanZero|Talk 19:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
No, its in PD. -- Cat chi? 19:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

another 'poster

Hey hey - the much emulated CC strikes again - User:Cool Cat on Frozen Felines --Alf melmac 15:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Yup, one steap ahead of ya this time, already listed at User:Cool Cat/Impostors -- Cat chi? 16:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
May I inquire what is the obcession with making imposters of Cool Cat..? Geez. -MegamanZero|Talk 16:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
User:MARMOT loves me, I guess.... I am among the more popular target of vandals. -- Cat chi? 16:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
he he, as always, one step ahead... or should that be one step beyond... :) --Alf melmac 16:20, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Why, pray tell... is MARMOT pursuing such a ridiculous vendetta agaist you...? -MegamanZero|Talk 16:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Because I make an effort to limit/halt his vandal campaign. Even though I can't even block him as the comunity does not trusts me enough to hand me such power. -- Cat chi? 17:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm..... I'll see about that. -MegamanZero|Talk 17:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Need a template to be designed

We have a problem... certain articles (like Cardcaptor Sakura and World War 2) have continuly faced vandilism and POV. What we need is a template that warns the user that the article is senstive to vandilsm and POV and should be read with caution. Perhaps with varations that include advising potential contribaters to consolte the talk pages for advice before contribuating to the article. -Dynamo_ace Talk

I designed a template like that, its on the talk page of CVU, I dont know how aproporate it is tho. -- Cat chi? 10:13, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Lemon.... Kawaii!

Incredible. it looks like it isn't his first time to screw around with fancruft Mega Man articles. Look at this! What the hell is the author up to? Does he actually think tampering with Mega Man canon is acceptable behaviour? I'm flabbergasted at his antics. -MegamanZero|Talk 20:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:User wikipedia

why did you rvv my edit there? I rvv:ed it back, according to the ongoing deswitching. AzaToth 22:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Because you are breaking my and many other poeples userpage. You should fix all userpages prior to doing that. -- Cat chi? 22:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
There should be no difference, they are only extracted, there were only four that was missplaced that I forgot to put back. Perhaps it's one of them you are referring to. and please be more civil. AzaToth 23:18, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for fixing my userpages. I was being perfectly civil. -- Cat chi? 18:13, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
No problem, I think I was a bit to rought on you, sorry :) AzaToth 18:33, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

You don't need to change the image on {{User wikipedia/Counter Vandalism Unit}}, there is a {{User wikipedia/Counter Vandalism Unit (alternative)}} using that image. I go changing the image back to 2.5 again. AzaToth 18:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes but the primary image is the other way around... .5 ones the alternative image :P
I am glad we are working together on this. I generally explode when external events break my userpage. Sry...
-- Cat chi? 18:40, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Cabal ub

I figured you wouldn't mind my fixing the spelling error, but I erred on the side of the holy jihad against people editing other's userspaces. cheers ("denies"). Unless of course it's some Cabal thing I'm not privy to. Avriette 01:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Any productive edit, or any edit with a productive inted is welcome such as spelling/grammer corrections, npovisation (when applicable), translations to Turkish/Japanese, or anything you can think of. If I like it, Ill keep it. I generally like it. :) -- Cat chi? 10:39, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales user's page

Stop hand.png

This user is very cool.
Please stand back to avoid frostbite.

Whiy did you remove this from the page? I thank this is funny.**My Cat inn @ (talk)** 21:35, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Mmm... Links broken... Doesn't match with other colors on the page. -- Cat chi? 10:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Request for edit summary

When editing an article on Wikipedia there is a small field labelled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this:

Edit summary text box

The text written here will appear on the Recent changes page, in the page revision history, on the diff page, and in the watchlists of users who are watching that article. See m:Help:Edit summary for full information on this feature.

When you leave the edit summary blank, some of your edits could be mistaken for vandalism and may be reverted, so please always briefly summarize your edits, especially when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you.

Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 23:50, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
??? -- Cat chi? 10:09, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
What's so unclear? Admittedly it is a silly template, but the point is clear enough I guess. :) Just use edit summaries more often. :) Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Thx for your check on Kurdish people

Thx for your check on Kurdish people You should know that these Yezidi Kurds are faking facts, because they claim that Yezidism is the only true Kurdish faith. Many historicals know that Kurds were once Zoroastrian, at least when only 1% of the Kurds were Zoroastrian why we shouldn't add this information? There are still many Zoroastrians in northern Iraq. --ShapurAriani 12:24, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I am no expert in the matter (aka kurdish religious beliefs), however if you can WP:CITE sources no reason why it shouldn't be in the article. It is generally preferable to have a reputible source. Bear in mind religion is generally a controversial issue by nature as there are more than one religion on earth. -- Cat chi? 13:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Need a template to be designed

We have a problem... certain articles (like Cardcaptor Sakura and World War 2) have continuly faced vandilism and POV. What we need is a template that warns the user that the article is senstive to vandilsm and POV and should be read with caution. Perhaps with varations that include advising potential contribaters to consolte the talk pages for advice before contribuating to the article. -Dynamo_ace Talk

I designed a template like that, its on the talk page of CVU, I dont know how aproporate it is tho. -- Cat chi? 10:13, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but it is stuck in the archive and the template is telling users that the CVU is monitoring this page. Would it be appropate or a more non-baised version is in order? -Dynamo_ace Talk

I was never too happy with the wording on the template, I am out of ideas :) What kind of a wording would you use? -- Cat chi? 13:01, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... i think this might work:

"WARNING: This article has become prone to vandlism and POV and therefore has been known as a senstive article. Potental contributors are advised to consolt the talk page before making additions."

How's that?

-Dynamo_ace Talk

How about {{Talkheader}}? elling something is prone to vandalism and POV has gained little support :/ -- Cat chi? 13:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

That won't work, i need something that can be stuck on to the main article to warn anon users (amongst others) to be wary with the article. -Dynamo_ace Talk


I am requesting that you accept my nomination for you to be an administrator. Do you accept..? -MegamanZero|Talk 18:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

The nomination can be found here: [4]; please accept it. -ZeroTalk 22:15, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat...please reconsider. I really believe this is excellent time to accept this nomination (Davenbelle is gone) and I really know you have changed. I know all about the "old Cool Cat" (Your rfar is in my sandbox; I look at it everyday). I really would like you to give it a chance. -ZeroTalk 22:59, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I am really flaterred but parts of wikipedia community isnt ready for my adminship. I am more than ready and qualified, but since RFA is broken and several people wouldnt miss this opertunity to be m:dicks on my RFA. Before anyone asks, that comment was NOT directed at Oleg Alexandrov as he opposed my 3rd rfa with a VALID reason. My comment was directed at people who would rather have SPUI adminised than me or would rather leave wikipedia all toghether. Such people have not even apologised for such ridiclous comments and some are admins (you'd think they would have a basic understaing of WP:CIVIL). -- Cat chi? 23:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat, I think this is really an excellent opurtunity. As you know, the Bcrats vote on consensus as well as vote percentage, and its obvious anyone who opposes for reasons that violate civilty will be ignored. Also consider the fact that you have improved immensely in your field of behavior; and countless people agree with that fact. I greatly implore you to accept. -ZeroTalk 23:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat, accept the nomination please. It can't hurt, eh...? -ZeroTalk 13:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Davenbelle is gone... -ZeroTalk 16:50, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
You havent seen the panic on IRC right after you post the nom. I know at least 10 people ready to oppose, I wont give them the pleasure. :) -- Cat chi? 16:55, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Who cares for their buffonery...? For every person who opposes, I know 3 that will support. Let them have their "pleasure"; I'm certain you will still win the election in the end. -ZeroTalk 16:59, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
To set the record straight Davenbelle had only been a mild irritation as far as I care. Karl Meier got me blocked more than anyone else and should not be trusted (as per a userbox on his own userpage. See: User:Karl Meier). As far as I and many others care he tricked the system by reverting me 3 times then teamng up with davenbelle and revert more, giving me the option of either agreeing with their version (which was any version but my own at a point). Karl Meier opposing and fadix opposing my votes on the recent arbcom hearing is also interesting. It isn't exactly stalking but it is still annoying. I have however more serious issues with vandals.
With my limited user power I can only do so much. But people fear that I would cause havoc all over wikipedia. People are even hesitant to hand me power on IRC as "I might abuse it". Given I have op power on a number of IRC networks, one among the big 5. People think I will start deleting random articles based on my pov and mass block people for no real reason. They have no basis for this but its the gossip and people vote based on gossip (or the lack of it) on RfAs. Hence why I have declined. People still see me as a pov pusher on kurdish articles. Even though I have no to little contribution on such. My only contribution on PKK for ages was tweaking of tables and other minor stuff, but some people make baseless comments as if I have been declaring ownership on those articles. Some people would oppose the RfA because of the "militaristc" "defacto-arbcom": Counter Vandalism Unit "cabal". These comments come from more notable people such as arbotrators which pains me more than anything. Firsthy the defacto arbcom is a definitely not the case, otherwise I would be an admin. The paranoia is ridiclous.
Do not get me wrong I am flattered by your nom and your insistance. However Davenbelle and Karl Meier as well as Fadix (partly if anyone takes his pages of comments on arbcom case's (filed for Davenbelle and Karl Meier and not fadix) talk page any seriously) achieved in polarising a notable comunity against me with the RfAr. -- Cat chi? 17:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Is the worst thing that can happen that it does not get through? Hurry up and let me vote support on it --Adam1213 Talk + 22:11, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Here, here. Even if you lose, its not the end of the world. Accept the nomination. -ZeroTalk 00:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I dont want to be admined at this point. -- Cat chi? 18:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


Firstly, I want to apologise for our spat on IRC earlier today. I accept my share of the blame for being intransigent and perhaps a little arrogant. I should not have got as annoyed as I did. On a separate matter (and please trust me that it is separate; I have been considering this for some time), please see this post of mine to the Foundation-l mailing list. Cheers, [[Sam Korn]] 18:15, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, its all right some good came out of it. CVU is undergoing a reform. I was not aware of the problems originated from the group. Although I have to admit there were better ways to tell that to me :). Ne ways, forget that.
As for the images, the deletion of them will mean the end of my wikipedia contributions. Let me explain.
  1. I have been mistreated since my early career, I have been stalked all over the place for months and even with their limmited power admins and users assisted me in the hard times. Arbcom did little to halt it and even one of them suggested a year-long-ban on me for getting stalked. If it werent for a single arbcomer (Raul) the arbcommers may have looked the otherway regarding the level of stalking I recieved. Davenbelles entier contribution was stalking me which even annoyed users aside from myself such as FrencisTylers (whom has oposite POV as I do regarding PKK), DavidGerard, Phroziac, and many others. Davenbelle opsed my second RfA before the nominator could support it. He also objected at me reciving a barnstar (which changed the minds of some arbcomers I think)
  2. Pests like MARMOT and WoW as well as super-troll also gave me a serious hard time, my userpage is among the most vandalised pages on wikipedia, it is one of the RARE pages that suffered multiple vandal bot attacks. I have over 50 imposteration cases. I wrote an IRC bot that people started using whom got promoted to adminship. No objections to their adminship and I did not code the bot to get easy adminship but you'd think I wouldn't be treated like a useless troll by people simply because of that. I dont expect people to like me or hand me adminships. All I wish is to be treated with dignity. Now unblocked MARMOT, SPUI and other refurbished vandals/trolls are treated better than myself and I dont like it. I should be treated with the dignity at least marmot has.
  3. Marmot is also suspected of getting my IP from IRC, and spoofing my ip to vandalise wikipedia using a wikipedia vunrability to get me blocked. While I have no evidence if it was marmot or not, I have every suspicion.
  4. I had to put up with peoples insults, threats, and accusations on both of my rfas, and for the amout of time and effort I spend on wikipedia all the parts commutiy told me is that theyd rather leave wikipedia or promote SPUI to adminship than promote me to adminship.
  5. Then snowspinner deleted the CVU images with suspicion of copyright infirgment without even bothering to list it for 7 days. He speddied the images and many templates images were on such as Template:MARMOT, also rfared me for this. I on the otherhand looked the otherway rather than rfc him to death etc. (and yes he did oppose my RfA)
  6. Then now someone wants to get the images deleted again.
  7. While I was typing this my bot announced that there is a 3rd RfA filed by MegamanZero. As flatered I am I have to reject it. If I accept it, many people would only use it as a means to be dicks and get away with it.
I sometimes ask myself why do I bother contributing to wikipedia... I recieve this overwhelming level of hostility. These comments are not directed at you spesificaly. I am just... just... tired of dealing with stuff like this. I havent vandalised wikipedia once, sure I had a rough start regarding POV but that was about a year ago. -- Cat chi? 22:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I haven't got time to respond to this in length right now, but I want to assure you that I fully value your contributions against vandalism. It has only ever been the format of the CVU to which I have been in opposition. I know that I didn't express myself well earlier (I rarely do on IRC), but I am a great fan of the tools that you have developed. I also think you should know that I don't necessarily think the images should be deleted. I just think they should be reappraised in light of the new guidelines. Whether they should be deleted is a Foundation matter, on which I am not qualified to comment. [[Sam Korn]] 22:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh I see, sorry I am a timered bomb these days... ready to explode any second. I honestly dont understand why people oppose CVU. It exists to guide people into being RC patrolers. It was successfull in this to some extent, people are lured by the nice/cool logo and they read about RC patrol and start RC patroling.
We need more RC patrolers, although its not easy/possible to "replace" RC patrolers such as RickK, this is better than nothing. CVU "Elite" are people who know about RC patroling and are among the more notable ones. I do not RC patrol myself tho, my bot limits my edit ability as I have very limmited and slow net connection.
If images go the luring from them vanishes. And hence CVU looses its main purpose. CVU colects/summerises wikipedia policies and tools into a single page making it easier for newbies. People can jump in bot aided RC patroling by just clicking ONE button without downloading software or anything (java chat). Thats something rather nice IMHO.
The importance of images kicks in here. Why the wikipedia/wikimedia logo? Well its wikipedia! :D
I commend you for your honesty in letting me know about that mail (which I understand you sent) and hope (although do not expect) you read my long rant from earlier on if you care at all. :) -- Cat chi? 23:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh My Goddess!

I hadn't heard of it before; It does sound interesting though, especially their incorporation of Norse mythology. Anime, Manga, and graphic novels generally are not something I know much about. What I've seen and read I've usually liked. The page isn't on my watch list; I run Lupin's anti-vandal tool and sometimes hit 'Rollback' by mistake. Tom Harrison Talk 22:06, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again

Thanks again and my most sincere apologies for my newbie ways. My innocence was my only guide. Thank you for your patience and help, you truly are worthy to be an admin and I hope it works out.--The great grape ape is straight out of the know 01:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

"Aegean crisis" article

Hi, I think you were one of the contributors to Aegean crisis, right? If you're interested, please see my note on the talk page there. Thanks. Lukas 13:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok -- Cat chi? 13:43, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi CoolCat, I don't know if you've been monitoring Aegean dispute at all since our discussion the other day. I've done a pretty large rewrite now, basically from scratch, which is now almost finished in its general outlines. Needs some filling in still. Would you mind having a look? Your {{POV}} tag is still standing; I think it's time we either removed it or started to talk what else should change. Lukas 20:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

CVU stuff

Heya CC, I don't think we've spoken before. After speaking up today regarding the membership issue at the CVU page, it has belatedly occurred to me that one or two of the things I've said in my discussions there could possibly be seen by you as a criticism of the work you've done at CVU. If so, please know that isn't true, that's not what I've meant and not what I was trying to convey. You've obviously put in a great deal of work, and as I've said many times today, I found the information gathered there to be a great resource as I was learning to fight vandalism properly. I do certainly have an opinion about how the group could be improved, but that's just an opinion, and in no way reflects on you or the work you have done. I appreciate that work, and I hope you will jump into some of the conversation going on on the talk page there today. Your input would be especially welcome, I'm sure. Thanks --Krich (talk) 21:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I dont mind criticism, actually I have to thank you for actually proving I am not in charge contrary to gossip, :) -- Cat chi? 21:37, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

End of competetion

Cool Cat, we need to end this competetion...Its obvious you can't match odd edits like this, so can we please start judging now..? :) -ZeroTalk 21:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Very well, you win. Was a nice game. :) -- Cat chi? 21:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Barnstar! --Zero CatTalk|@ 22:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
No not a barnstar. -- Cat chi? 09:32, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


Yes, I'll steal it. But if it happened when you were expecting it, that wouldn't be theft! :-D --Tony Sidaway|Talk 00:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... Then what is it? :) -- Cat chi? 09:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Odd message left on my talkpage left by a fellow Mega Man fan

Even though the odd edit competetion is over, I thought you might get a laugh or two out of this: ([5]) -ZeroTalk 19:17, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Funny, eh? He needs to start passing english. :) -ZeroTalk 20:46, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Merhaba Türk Dostu :)

Bizim için bizden fazla savaşıyorsun. Seni yürekten tebrik ediyorum. Çok teşekkürler. I love you Cool Cat, please keep your good work! --Alperen 11:12, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh My Goddess template

I set up a possible replacement for this template at User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox. It essentially adds an extra parameter to the template call (|if=) to copy the 'if defined call2' template logic out to the Oh My Goddess template itself. In the examples below the top line is the current version and the bottom how it would be called in the replacement (blank spaces are inserted just to line up common elements):

 {{if defined call2|{{{Image1| }}}|  Oh My Goddess Infobox-Generic/Image|{{{Image1}}}| {{{Caption1}}} }}
{{{if               {{{Image1| }}}|{{Oh My Goddess Infobox-Generic/Image|{{{Image1}}}| {{{Caption1}}} }} }}}

Please take a look at my sandbox link above and consider whether this is a viable option. I think that once you look at it the 'if' parameter is just as understandable as 'if defined call2', indeed the two formats are very similar. However, making this change would help to retire Template:If defined call2, and the Template:If defined call and Template:Void templates which it depends on. Primary reason for doing that is to discourage further use of these conditional templates, which could lead to server load problems. If this change is ok with you let me know and I will help convert the articles over... can add the |if= parameter to all existing articles and then switch the template itself to make the change seamless. --CBD 16:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh My Goddess!

Please do not blank sections. Thank you. -- Cat chi? 20:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why I shouldn't have. All it is is a link to a comic strip with Belldandy in it. Were there something more there, I would not have blanked it.--Veemonkamiya 11:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
The section explains how inportant Oh My Goddess! is on cultures outside japan. A clear example is belldandys apearance on a non-japanese comic strip (just like how she appears on various comercials as a camo from time to time). That section needs to be expanded. After all it answers the FAC requests "Why is it notable, what makes oh my goddess! so special?" -- Cat chi? 12:38, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I have to agree with Veemonkamiya, the section wasn't needed unless more information (unbaised of course) comes up.
Oh and the templates to the charathers appears to be bust. Can you take a look? -Dynamo_ace Talk
Dynamo Ace brings up my concern as well. The new template made by CDB is overy saturated with useless sections. I suggest reverting to the last version by Cool Cat. -ZeroTalk 11:48, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
There was a problem with the header (the one part of the template which doesn't rely on the new format), but I don't see what you mean about 'saturated with useless sections'. Can you give an example? --CBD 12:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
False alarm- I was looking at your template, and it had nearly twice as many sections for data as the last- but it turns out you coded it to not depict the sections being utilized. Never mind, my mistake. -ZeroTalk 12:41, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I found a bunch of articles that I had missed updating before. They weren't showing up in 'What links here' from the template (probably because of all the moving around it went through). My bad. I think I've found them all now - I went through the various 'Oh My Goddess' categories to check each article. --CBD 12:43, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Comments by Muhamed

I am an anti Turk-Mongol propaganda in Wikipedia !!!!!! understand you now —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muhamed (talkcontribs)

I am sorry I cant follow you. -- Cat chi? 21:58, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Kurdistan Category


Please notice that the Kurdistan term is officially recognized in Iraq/Iran. However, I do understand your view on the Kurdish inhabited areas of Turkey, since the term Kurdistan isnot recognized there. Please kindly leave the Kurdistan category in the Kurdish areas inside Iraq/Iran unchanged. Thanks.Heja Helweda 07:36, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

You will have to cite sources for exact boundaries including those provinces to a kurdistan. Do not ask me or anyone to leave any subject alone. No one owns articles. If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it. Content you provide MUST be verifiable or it will be removed. -- Cat chi? 11:47, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Why are precise boundaries required in this context? Still, presumably there is fairly strong precision on Iraqi Kurdistan, and there may be similar areas in neighboring Iran but I'm not an expert on the region. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


Hi, regarding the image, I recently sent a message to Angela, and adknowledgement is still pending at this time. — TheKMantalk 17:01, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

AGF userbox

Hi, your input would be appreciated over at Template talk:User AGF. Thanks — TheKMantalk 18:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Kurdistan category

Hi again, Thanx for reply. Here are some official links,
Cultural Heritage Organization of Kurdistan Province in Iran(Local Branch of the Iranian Cultural Heritage Organization)
Contact Info.
Habibi avenue, Imam Khomeini street, Sanandaj - Iran Tel: +98 871 2255440,2264440, Email:
The cities in this province Sanandaj, Saqez, Marivan,Baneh, Kamiaran, Ghorveh, Bijar, Divandareh, Sarvabad.
Kurdistan region in New Constitution of Iraq [6]
Iraqi Kurdistan covers the provinces of Dohuk, Arbil, Sulaimaniya: Information&SiteID=3 Kurdistan Regional Government (Arbil/Dohuk Administration)
Kurdistan Regional Government Representatives Worldwide Worldwide&SiteID=35
Sulaimaniya in Global SecurityHRW report on Iraqi Kurdistan

Heja Helweda 19:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I wont accept any random tagging of region or provinces with kurdistan as its borders are loosly defined. However:
  1. Iraqi Kurdistan as you put it is just borders of KAR. you are welcome to suggest it being the borders of KAR or however Iraqis put it, do not mark it as a part of the great kurdistan.
  2. Kurdistan is any region where kurds happen to live, its borders cannot be drawn artificialy. This really is inaproporate. The tagging as you are doing means the province is a territory of a kurdish state. Do not use categories to jigsaw a country out of the blue. I cannot compromise in that area I am sorry.
  3. We just dont mark pages like that with categories even if borders are defined this is like saying california is a blue state for voting democrat majority. I however dont mind a Categoy:Kurdish inhabited regions or something along the line. I still would need citation on its borders.
Why not write about kurdish culture etc rather than competeing over this? I am sure there is more about kurds than their nationalism/seperatism etc... I am beeing blunt but I think I have to.
-- Cat chi? 19:34, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
The issue is currently under consideration whether to delete or keep it and people are voting on it. With all due respect, one person can not decide on the content of Wikipedia. Until a democratic decision is declared on this matter, it cannot be deleted. Again, the name Kurdistan does not imply a country or independence or anything like that. About Kurdish inhabited Regions, that's again something to be voted upon. Majority of Kurds don not like such a term the same way that you do not like the term Kurdistan. The borders of the three provinces(Arbil, Dohuk and Sulaimaniya) in Iraqi Kurdistan are well defined and they are governed by a state (KRG), its official name isnot Kurdish Government but Kurdistan Regional Government. The name of the province in Iran is not Kurdish province but Kurdistan Province. I amnot pushing any POV, these are the simple facts on the ground. Heja Helweda 19:53, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a democracy. The categry will eventually go away I can assure you that. Pov categories such as that one eventually get deleted or get renamed. Name kurdistan is a declaration of a country as far as I care, usage of an alternative naming for whatever you are trying to convey will not have any resistance from me. KRG is not the legitemate successor of the historic Kurdish nations mentioned on wikipedia. I dont care what the province is called. I wont swallow the establishment of a kurdistan on wikipedia. If you strictly want to talk about areas where kurds are living do so and dont call it kurdistan (aka land of the kurds). I am not alone in this. Use alternative naming please. -- Cat chi? 20:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
With little effort you can get me banned from editing articles related to kurds and kurdistan. I am under mentorship and my mentor can block me if you think my edits are disruptive. If your intention is to simply to get me banned form the articles pelase mention this to user:Tony Sideaway. If you are however interested in creating wikipedia articles that are not intended to infuriate people such as myself I am more than willing to offer my cooperation. -- Cat chi? 20:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
First of all, take it easy. It is not a matter of life and death to me. I did not say KRG is legitimate or not, as many Assyrians agree with you on this matter, I just said it does exist, take a flight to Arbil to see it for yourself. Kurdish inhabited areas are called Kurdistan and that's not my POV, it is KRG's POV. Contact them to change their name. About the province, if you don't care, why do you care about the word Kurdistan? I told you, I'll keep Turkey out of the matter and I agree with you on this. But for other areas, there is concrete evidence on the use of the name. We are not here on Wikipedia to decide or change the realities on the ground, just to report them. Heja Helweda 20:46, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I am not willing to discuss this. Category kurdistan is unacceptable. -- Cat chi? 20:50, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe that we can have a constructive argument over this. May be I'll learn a word or two from you. Thanx.Heja Helweda 20:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Your forced vacation is now in effect

Enjoy your requested 5 day forced wikibreak.  ALKIVARRadioactivity symbol.png 21:28, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I decided to cut my vacation a bit short. Due to heavy snowing I am stranded so I will be bored. Dont get me wrong I am still a bit nuts... -- Cat chi? 22:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I noticed your rant section, you may want to take a look at mine and we can chear each other up. Or at the very least start a support group: "Annoyed wikipedians" :P -- Cat chi? 22:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

This might interest you.

It appears that a a checkuser request has been made due to some sockpuppetry occurring at WP:AGF.

I see that you are on a break, but thought to mention the matter anyway since you deserve to know about it sooner rather than later. I have nothing invested in the argument- I just happened to see it at the Admins' Noticeboard. Slainté, P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 08:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you I have commented there too. -- Cat chi? 22:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Image talk:Winged logo.gif

I just noticed your comments there, I am not going to bother responding there. I find your overal ownership of the hole thing annoying. In anycase I have no strength left to offer any resistance to anyone as I am pounded by a large number of users now. Sockpuppets and trolls are given a higher respect than myself. this post here has no reason. Since I dont even know why I am telling all this to you. -- Cat chi? 22:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I offended you; if you wish, I could fix up that image (anti-aliasing, replace center with wiki logo). — TheKMantalk 22:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Hmm.. Id like that. Its not you offending me, its a number of people giving me a hard time. I am likely to explode anyone talking to me because of that. -- Cat chi? 22:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do then — TheKMantalk 22:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

"Aegean dispute" again

Hi Cool Cat, I left a lengthy reply to your comments on the talk page for Aegean dispute, but I now see you seem to be under a lot of Wikistress about other issues, so I guess you might not have much energy left for that one right now. We can let that discussion wait, of course. Or do you know of somebody else who might be interested in joining that page and monitor POV from a Turkish perspective? Take care, Lukas 23:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I have responded to your response on the talk page of the article. Unlike what you may think that article has been one of the most pleasant ones I have ever touched/discussed. I thank you for your civil, and polite attitude for that you should be commended as this is not a wikipedia standard (even though it should be).
Unlike what some people may suggest I am not Turkish while I may be biased as I lived in Turkey for a while.
-- Cat chi? 23:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind words. Yes, I think this has been a pretty good cooperative enterprise, which is rare for a politically laden topic such as this. And I feel the article is getting pretty good :-) I've now filled in most of the sources I had and removed the underconstruction notice. Lukas (T.|@) 23:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC) (I followed your hint about this one too, as you see. Is it working?)


Accept it. -ZeroTalk 16:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Man. I am telling you it aint gona work. People ban me off of IRC channels when I prompt them to ban MARMOT. RfA is really broken. -- Cat chi? 16:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps not. But I want you to accept it so I can see how it goes at the very least... It can't hurt, can it not..? -ZeroTalk 16:32, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
And MARMOT has been banned by Jimbo BTW. -ZeroTalk 16:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
And I was banned on IRC for requesting a ban on MARMOT (from the IRC channel) by a person I used to look up to. Geez I pick lousy role models... it is so hard to admire a person who doesn't even like you. My RFA will definitely fail. Last RFA failed because I told snowspinner off for inquiring about copyright status of CVU images in the middle of a vandal bot attack. He simply deleted every template CVU images appeared on and deleted the CVU images and not just that but also Rfared me. God knows how many people would oppose me for talking down on MARMOT and requesting his ban from the IRC channel. People generally choose idiotic reasons to oppose RfAs anyways (such as candidate having too many userboxes).
Some exiting admins are too arrogant for me to work with. The consider themselves to be the best thing since slice bread they can violate every policy and dictate how articles or templates should be. This isn't uneque to admins but mostly I deal with such people who are admins. Such as the incident on Skuld or on template:user wikipedia
I don’t care about wikipedia enough to care about adminship. I do not like this community that doesn’t like me. Don’t get me wrong there are lots of users who like me. There are just more whom hate me for reasons I am not made aware of.
People make lots of ridiculous statements about me. Until I am treated like I should be I have no reason to have admin powers to serve this community. I don’t mop after people not appreciating my mop work without a mop.
-- Cat chi? 19:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • It can't hurt. Just accept the nomination; I am curious to at least see the outcome. -ZeroTalk 20:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
    No need to waiste wikipedias bandwidth over something as useless as my RfA. I'd rather use that bandwidth for articles. People are stuck with the means too much on wikipedia and they call CVU militarsitic... those idiots. All of them have forgotten about the ends. The point of wikipedia, aka encyclopedia. All some of those care is about me violating NPOV about a "YEAR" ago. Man I wonder if they were flawles wikipedians when they were newbies. -- Cat chi? 21:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
You're right. However, if I didn't truly believe you had a chance of passing this election (no matter how slim), I would not have filled out the rfa. Please accept, I'd like to survey the progress - and besides, its very possible people might vote out of good faith and provide some constructive criticism. -ZeroTalk 16:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I dont want to be with it same category as admins. I am not admin material. I am not arrogant enough. -- Cat chi? 16:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
But Cool Cat... I don't think I'm arrogant, and I wish to be administrator soon, our good friend Tony is administrator and he is not arrogant (though this can be argued in some cases.. :)) as well as many others. Administrator is not to please the people nor is it an award. Its for the good of the encyclopedia and I honestly believe in the conjecture that you would benefit from gaining the possition. Please accept. -ZeroTalk 16:36, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Tony is no longer my firend, however I am not going to forget him standing up for me. I am not sure what to think of him. His arrogant attitude on IRC a day or two ago regarding Category:Kurdistan is something I wont forget... Siding with a sockpuppet that is. Lecturing me how apporporate that damn category is... What kind of a nerve does he have?!!? -- Cat chi? 16:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry, but due to my technical difficulties I have no access to IRC as of late, therefore I have no idea of what traspired on IRC peviously. However, what I do know is that Kurdistan is an area/country with very indistigiusable boundaries and divisions, meaning grouping such areas in one category is (arguably) one's own POV. And while I trust you and believe that the truth is spoken when you believe that person is a sockpuppet, I think that you should not let bad-faith editors impede your decision to accept the rfar. I know it might not turn out out well, but I still believe you should accept. I am curious to see what ridiculous reasons people have to oppose you; as I am positive they won't be worth anything. -ZeroTalk 17:08, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I told you, I do not want to be held in the same category as those arrogants... Not all admins are bad many are and last thing I want is to be on the same category as them. -- Cat chi? 17:11, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


Per your request. Essjay talk 22:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I can't see Images

Coolcat, I have been away from my Computer for nearly a month because I was on my summer vacation and now I can only view images when I click on the high res. link on the images. When viewing pages there is just a blank box. Did some wikipedian policy change or something? Thanks Hamedog 04:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC). Could you please reply on my talk too?

No such thing has happened (as far as I know). We did have problems with image servers from time to time tho. which images can you not see? -- Cat chi? 11:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I cannot see any images on articles. I cannot see the images when I click on the blank box where the image should be. I can only see then when I click high res. It been happening the whole time and I can see images on other websites. I can also see images on wikipedia using the desktop at home (I am using a notebook}. I used to be able to see images on wikipedia last year, but this year it hasn't worked. Maybe I should ask dave taylor? Hamedog 21:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about the lateness of this reply too.
I am not sure what the problem is. It works fine over here. What os and browser do you use and ae you sure you havent turned off images? -- Cat chi? 22:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I am using XP, Firefox. I don't think I have turned images off as I can see images on every other site and can see the wikipedia globe in the top left corner. It is only in articles. I can see colours though. Is there something I can change in preferences? Also, it doesn't change when I sign in or out. I was wondering if you could tell me how you do that signature of yours too. Hamedog 06:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
For signature: Click prefernaces and add <small>[[User:Hamedog|Hamedog]]<sup>[[User talk:Hamedog|Talk]]|[[Special:Emailuser/Hamedog|@]] to "Nickname:" box and also check "Raw signature (no auto link; don't use templates or external links in this)" box. -- Cat chi? 18:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
For images: I have no idea what could be wrong. Since you being logged of must fix it. I am as convused as you are. You may want to talk to the devs. -- Cat chi? 18:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
The Devs are who?--HamedogTalk|@ 21:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC
  • Don't worry about replying, images appeared all of a sudden litereally a minute ago viewing this very page (the wikimood and no barnstar on the side etc). Thanks for your help Cool Cat. --HamedogTalk|@ 21:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


You seem to be rather upset, and I think that as your mentor I need to think for you and act in your best interests. I've removed your RFA because you clearly don't seriously expect to be made an administrator on this occasion. Could we talk online? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Rather upset you say... That is an understatement. -- Cat chi? 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Why don't you leave me alone. I only cause you problems. -- Cat chi? 15:19, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
You never caused me any problems--at least none that I didn't gladly accept as your friend. As your latest RFA self-nomination appears to be in order I'll not intervene again. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Link dead on your user page

Hello! You have this paragraph on your user page: "Do realise that vandalising Wikipedia is a very bad idea. Brian Chase was forced to resign from his job because of the mounting pressure all because of vandalising a wikipedia page. He was also mocked on the New York Times as well as CNN." The CNN word links to:, link which is dead. HTH. --Vlad 02:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


I see. Them let's get to the root of the problem. What do you think is MARMOT's fasination (ie. Obsessision) with harrasssing you...? I find it odd that this user contributes such a unhealthy amount of time and energy tormenting you. -ZeroTalk 15:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmm? -- Cat chi? 15:25, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
.....? -ZeroTalk 15:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Your RfA

My interactions with you in the past have always been quite good. Please take this in the spirit it is intended, which is friendly, and to help you. I think you should consider withdrawing your RfA. I am personally concerned that you are treating the RfA as an affirmation of a job well done on Wikipedia. This is not what it is for. I am mostly concerned that the RfA is not going to go well, and that it will cause you to leave Wikipedia. Yet, the reasons it will not go well have nothing to do with your value as an editor. Please see my latest comment on the RfA and decide if letting the RfA run is really in your best interests. What is it about being an admin that you really, really want to be able to do but can not due right now as a non-admin? --Durin 16:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

As a non admin I cannot block a vandal vandalising my userpage. As a non admin I cannot block vandals. As a non admin I am useless. -- Cat chi? 16:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  • You are in no respect useless. You've gotten yourself into a serious funk. Were I there, we'd hit a pub and get ridiculously drunk and hash it out. Knock off the self-defeatism, ok? :) --Durin 17:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Your RfA is becoming "give me adminship or I'll leave". The outcome under this guise is pre-determined. RfA isn't going to grant you admin tools under such a demand. This is tantamount to finding a reason other than yourself to leave Wikipedia. This is wiki-suicide. Please, don't do this. --Durin 20:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  • You are bright. Please understand there is nothing I want to do on wikipedia left. At least for a serious amount of time. However, if I am given proper RC patrol tools I will stick around for another year. -- Cat chi? 20:32, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Such powers won't give you the respect and knowlage needed to help protect Wikipedia, listen to a good friend, power isn't everything.By trying to seek such powers such as adminship on a case of that you are not fit to have such powers, you are essently causing Anakin Skywalker syndrome! Stick to what you do best and leave such powers in the most responsable hands.

I leave that as my opion, it is up to you to decide. -Dynamo_ace Talk

I have stick to my best and my best only got me harassment from User:MARMOT for which I was awarded with a ban from #wikipedia. If marmot is that decent of a guy then I won't interfere his wiki experience. -- Cat chi? 20:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I dont bluff hence no one can call my bluff (regarding the rfa) -- Cat chi? 20:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Sigh. What is stopping you from editing the main namespace? --Durin 21:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    • My RfAr limits me greatly on topics I care to write about. When I make useful edits on those topics I am still yelled at.
    • Apperantly everything related to kurds are controversial. I do not however see anything about kurds aside from "atrocities" committed against them such as the "cultural genocide" from hydroelectric dams as well as other stuff. Almost all articles related to Kurds are one sided. Pro/Anti-Kurd is a poor definition as there are no uniformal POV on either side. I do not deny I have my own pov regarding the topic. I make an effort to not push that. But when I revert random tagging of provinces with Category:Kurdistan, my action causes me trobble. So since I am not welcome to make edits there, I am left with only one option: RC patrol.
    • There shouldn't be any reason why people are voting oppose. People are being paranoid on stuff what might happen.
    • -- Cat chi? 09:56, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Best wishes

for your RfA. I have faith in you.--ViolinGirl 18:19, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


Do two make the list?

--Adam1213 Talk + 00:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

    • I do not mind :) -- Cat chi? 09:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

People voting oppose

You said "There shouldn't be any reason why people are voting oppose". Yet, you also say "I will no longer honor any rules or policies on wikipedia so long as there are double standards". Surely you can see why someone would vote against you when you are carrying that sort of opinion at this time? You are very angry right now, and very upset with Wikipedia. This is not an attitude that is going to encourage people to vote for you. I said it before, and I'll repeat it here; if the consequence of a failed RfA is you leaving Wikipedia, then you're committing wiki-suicide. Your RfA is failing, and will fail. Given your current mindset, it's hard for people to be sympathetic to your situation. --Durin 13:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I cannot take my words back... -- Cat chi? 15:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
YES YOU CAN. Don't do this. Stop pulling the trigger on the wiki-gun to your wiki-head. --Durin 15:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I am not the one pulling the triger, gun is in the hands of voters. I'll maybe stay if there are about 50/50 votes as after all thats a no consensus rather than oppose and I was going to leave on oppose. Still I do not think thats going to happen. This is strictly because of your comments. I am however not sure. -- Cat chi? 15:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I honestly feel like I am negotiating with someone who has a gun to their head. The choice to stay or not is entirely yours. Nobody else is pulling the trigger. You are. I can't imagine you actually thought that submitting an RfA at this time would result in you becoming an admin. There wasn't anything to be gained from it but an excuse to wiki-kill yourself. Nobody has the responsibility for what you are doing but yourself. You are better than this, and you know what the outcome of this is; it's pre-determined. You're leaving people little choice but to vote oppose to you. If it was a fair RfA, it might pass...but it isn't. You tilted it from the beginning to make it a referendum against you, noting the ultimatum that pass or I leave. What did you expect? People to jump up and down and suddenly declare you to be great and grant you the admin buttons? RfA has never gone like that. You knew that. You put the trigger to your head. Please, stop this behavior. You're so much better than this. --Durin 15:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
meh RfA is broken... -- Cat chi? 15:56, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I Can bend my words slightly. Can you RfC me for me? I do not know the procedure as the procedure changed greatly since my last one. -- Cat chi? 15:58, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  • RfC for what? --Durin 16:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
    Disruptive behaviour? -- Cat chi? 17:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I guess this is a [7] case... :o -- Cat chi? 16:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Given your comments here on your talk page in response to me and others, would you be willing to withdraw your RfA? I ask this because it won't achieve any end you'd really want to achieve at this point. --Durin 17:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Thank you for withdrawing it. That's a step in the right direction. Now, can we work together on getting you back to editing the main namespace? --Durin 18:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
    • If you want to volunteer can you take a look at user:Muhamed's contributions? -- Cat chi? 19:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I've already become somewhat....suspiscious to Mahamed's actions and comments. I'll request a checkuser on him. -ZeroTalk 21:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


Will do. Give me a few minutes. --Durin 13:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Don't throw your toys out of the pram!

You are starting to lose it again! Just because you can't get your way doesn't mean you can't throw your toys out of the pram! Look at me, i would like to impose restrictions on numorous anon vandals who have been either vandalism for the sake of it or just want to unbalance some of the most senstive articles know on Wikipedia, but i can't and nor do i want too, because that could make me an unbalanced wikipedian, so i follow procedure and hope that justice is dealt.

You don't have to deal in senstive areas, just deal in areas which you know you can accomplish without problem. -Dynamo_ace Talk

The thing is I get yelled at for following the procedure. -- Cat chi? 15:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

How exactly then do you follow the procdure, i put all vandels on a 3 strike system, with each vandal attack i detect scoring that user a strike. Strike 1, they get an general anon warning, strike 2, they get a general signed warning, and then strike 3, and then they get reported.

Maybe it is how you are warning users that may be the problem -Dynamo_ace Talk

I was talking about Category:Kurdistan... -- Cat chi? 15:14, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Then maybe the category is too senstive for your liking and you might not have all the facts needed to enforce it properly. I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but you must know when functions end. Combating vandlism is one of them. -Dynamo_ace Talk

Precisely why I do not touch articles related to kurds. So I try to get peoples attention. Either on IRC or not no one cares. Hence I have to do it myself. -- Cat chi? 15:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I intend to devote my time perfecting my bot (I do not leave unfinished work behind) and then send it to people and vanish from the project similar to User:RickK. -- Cat chi? 15:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Then maybe you have to wait until a sutible soultion can be achieved by the community. We are all in this togther, and our enemy is the vandals who try to destroy the only fresh resource that is reachable by nearly everyone on the world. You still have a place here, i mean we are still waiting for an up to date audio version of Ah!My goddess! and its respective articles.So don't let people get you down or they will think they have won and drive you out, believe me, i have had this on me before. -Dynamo_ace Talk

Hmm... You know... you are manuplating me... :) -- Cat chi? 20:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


Would you consider staying at Wikipedia if you were granted rollback privileges? --TantalumTelluride 20:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I wouldnt mind such privilages. Would save me edit summaries :) -- Cat chi? 21:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Reply from sannse

Hi Cool Cat. I'm sorry for the slow reply, I've been off-wiki. I've read all you wrote on my talk page, and I can certainly see why you are feeling fed-up with Wikipedia at the moment. I wish I could help, I really do. Certainly, from what you say about the ban from #wikipedia, I would have protested and probably removed that - but that's not very helpful to say now. As far as I am concerned, you are a welcome member of the channel, and MARMOT is not.

On the categories, I won't second guess your mentor - but I will say this: it's sometimes very, very difficult for us to edit in areas of Wikipedia that we really care about. I know you don't want to hear any suggestion that you should stay away from that subject, but I think it's important to acknowledge that it will always be difficult for you to edit there. There will always be people who feel you are pushing a POV, and you will always have to fight your own preconceptions and firm ideas to find the neutrality needed.

I couldn't find the problem with the CVU and RFA, but I think that this is a wider problem anyway. RfA is certainly not an ideal process - none of our processes are really. How we change that, or even if we can change that, I just don't know. As I was saying on IRC before we got cut off - you have built up your reputation from your troubled early days. You haven't totally overcome them, because Wikipedian have horribly long memories, but you have come a long way. Whether it's possible to totally overcome those initial problems is impossible to say, I don't think I've ever seen it done I'm sad to say.

But that doesn't mean you are not a valued and valuable member of this project. So I really hope that thinks improve for you on Wikipedia and that you get back to enjoying it. And please don't burn your bridges, it's better to take time off and recover your breath than to get angry and make it impossible to return. You do some good work, and are someone I want to see stick around. -- sannse (talk) 22:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Do not think of leaving...

You nominated your self and apperently what you said for that RFA caused it to fail.... If you had not of done that you would of become an admin. Make some edits appologising about it and change how you express your self on it (still put forward your ideas but say it differntly...)

Also extend the amount of time that you will stay on wikipedia to longer than a year. --Adam1213 Talk + 04:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

More to life.

Why all the concern about "rc patrolling"? Haven't you got more interesting things to do? THere are plenty of people running around doing that already. This is an encyclopedia. You don't need to be an administrator to edit. Furthermore, if you watch a few hundred pages, even a thousand or more, you can revert instances of vandalism or errant users simply enough with administrative tools. It's easy enough for somebody else to block if it needs to happen, but I think once you remove yourself from the politics that you won't find it to be as much of an issue. Regardless. Good luck, and try to destress a little. Avriette 04:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Umm no I am more hardcore than that. I watch over every edit on wikipedia. I filter the ones that are suspicious and people revert pased on that. AKA my bot. People who use the bot are trustable users some became admins just by using my bot. Which is fine. But when it comes to trust people cant trust me. People dont like me. People wont accept me. That what hurts me most. However on this rfa no one made "utterly stupid" remarks. Some remarks were not ok as they had nothing to do with adminship but was exponentialy better. -- Cat chi? 18:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

A bicycle

Kusuma bike large.jpg The Bicycle award to Cool Cat for staying in the saddle. Awarded by Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Template:Main article

Don't revert again. There is a SPECIFIC REASON why that template is the way it is, so that we can convert Template:Main articles over to it. If a specific page looks incorrect, then fix it... someone is probably just mistaken about how to use it. -- Netoholic @ 19:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Template main have always been passed a string (article name) not a link. That's how it was always used prior to your edits. I am not willing to fix hundereds of links for you.
If you want to make an edit to a template you must be willing to fix any page you break. You have broken hundereds of pages. -- Cat chi? 20:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Articles that currently use Template:Main are being converted to Template:Main article/Template:Main articles. You don't need to do a thing, just stop reverting what you don't understand. -- Netoholic @ 20:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I see lots of articles with broken links, from what understand you are willing to break a large number of pages (thousands) without hestiation for no good reason. -- Cat chi? 21:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Please do tell me which articles are "broken". -- Netoholic @ 21:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat is one. -- Cat chi? 21:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I SAID "ARTICLES". Lazy. -- Netoholic @ 22:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe many areticles whould be broken like that. user pages are like articles. They are not to be broken. -- Cat chi? 22:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikiholism and Meta

I can see you have spent a lot of effort gathering the texts on Wikiholism to Meta. I can see no point in doing that, as most articles in the Wikipedia projects do have wikilinks to cover the need to find an article in another language. Why should Wikiholism be treated otherwise? (It's not like the election documents, which in some way were official documents from the board of trustees.) RaSten 08:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikiholism has nothing to do with the "Wikipedia Encyclopedia", it is rather an illness among wikipedia editors. The pages explaining Wikiholism do not help article namespace to improve hence the Wikiholism concept is strictly a part of "wikipedia culture". Also true Wikiholics perefer meta. :) -- Cat chi? 11:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
It is in the Wikipedia namespace, not the main namespace. / 13:39, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes and that namespace is primarily for wikipedia policies or proposed policies or guidlines or other stuff intended to assist editors on writing an encyclopedia. Wikiholism is not intended to that end. I am not saying its something useless, its just that for such stuff we have meta. -- Cat chi? 15:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Most Wikipedias including the Dutch one don't like it when an unknown user wipes out a page whithout discussing it first on the talk page, so it will be reverted. When you want to make such a page on Meta, ok, but when you wipe out and move the page, also the history of edits isn't longer available on the page. Also the user has to click once more because redirection between Mediawiki projects does not function. JePe 17:30, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Well in a good faith environment such a move should not cause anyone any stress. Its a simple move.
The history is avalible on the nl page and a new history will develop on meta.
Yes the meta page redirect is not possible, just like all pages on meta. The user can click on the link. All links going to the nl:Wikipedia:Wikiaholic can be changed to go to m:Wikiaholic and problem will not be that bad. -- Cat chi? 29 jan 2006 01:04 (CET)
What do you want to discuss further. It isnt easy to move a page to meta and had taken me several hours. I did the bulk of the work, all there is now is the blanking of the nl page :) -- Cat chi? 29 jan 2006 01:06 (CET)
In a good faith environment, changes are made because the Wikipedians on a Wikipedia want them, not because a single Wikipedian from another Wikipedia wants them. - Andre Engels 19:08, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
What are you trying to say? I do not like your attitude. -- Cat chi? 19:38, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
What I am trying to say, is that the Dutch Wikipedians are used to be the ones who decide what is and what is not on the Dutch Wikipedia. And that if you go make such changes on other Wikipedias (or even on the English one), that you can expect to be reverted. - Andre Engels 19:43, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

If you oppose such a move to meta w/o any reason please ask your self this "Will it change anything". The main reason this is moved to meta is that us Wikiholics will get together interwiki. Or at least that was my original idea. If you want to downright oppose, I cannot prevent you. I wont pursuit this any longer. Several languages have acknowleged the move some are resisting. I really dont care, your loss. -- Cat chi? 20:38, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Next time you try to force the french wikipedia to move such pages to meta against their will, you'll be blocked. Each project is free to decide what to do with such pages. Please do not mix with other projects habits. Make the move to meta if you wish, but do NOT impose english habits on other languages (in short, do not impose moving the pages over there). Thanks in advance. Anthere 22:11, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I dare you to block me for that, I merely tried to unite interwiki communities on a bold attempt. For that I only get yelled at. -- Cat chi? 22:18, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Kurds of Syria

Hi Cool Cat. I just now saw that you have put thet POV tag on the article: Kurds of Syria. It is quite possible that the page still be one sided as you have mentioned there. But please say which parts in the article is so. I will be glad if you do so. I want the article to be a neutral one.

Thank you very much Mesopotamia 15:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Sure, we have an article improvement drive going on for articles related to kurds going on (planned) at the moment. That article is on top of my list to be processed. -- Cat chi? 16:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

So it's True?

So you're leaving us officially now? Shame. You'll be missed! --D-Day 22:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

If it is about that anon vandal who likes to leave unproven personal attacks, then i have ignored him.

Your just not trying to cool down, instead you are going back into "fights" that you can not win in any case. You need to focus on areas which can make a difference without disruption. And there is still lots of work to do.

But if you just want to fade away, fair enougth, i won't comment nor weep... but i will miss you. -Dynamo_ace Talk

This is not about battle variness or anon vandal (I have no idea of this anon vandal)
The only one responsible of my departure is myself. Since several disturbed people are holding me responsible of RickK's departure, I do not want anything like that over me.
People have contributed in the general level of annoyance I recieve:
  1. Kelly Martin banning me from #wikipedia on IRC for me requesting a ban on a MARMOT sockpuppet.
    • I used to admire/worship her... Your role model turning against you is rather hard to swalow.
  2. Tony Sidaway threatening to ban me from articles related to kurds for me reverting a sockpuppet
    • User in questions only contribution was tagging random articles with category Kurdistan, also opposed my rfa 3 and is an obvious pov pusher acusing random people of being "turkish/mongol nationalistic" (what ever that means).
    • Sorry Tony but threats are the worst way to comunicate with me you should have known by now. Tony I don't hate you tho.
  3. kim_ on irc complaining and presuring me about the IRC channel restrictions forcing me to lift the restrictions
    • Did not even joined the channel after restrictions lifted.
  4. Anthre threatening to block me if I dared "force" on to accepting something.
    • A Nl wikipedian (could be Karl Meier or davenbelle who knows) had been revert waring with me interwiki on languages he/she did not had any other contribution but reverting me. All I sugested was the move of a page to meta.wikimedia.
    • I only had two edits on fr wikipedia promting such a threat. Even if this was an idle threat it still served to its purpose. I have not ever been intimidated by threats and I do not intend to start now.
None above should be held accountable of anything. I just want them to know how I feel about it.
I should have left with dignity after my first rfa... Incident after incident, edit after edit its the same story. Comunity simply put is too hostile to work with. Instead of talking, people monopolise and declare ownerships. Such people are not regular users or anons but admins (one being a board member).
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia was a dream for me. The longer it lasts, the more painful it is to awaken from it. I wish there was a pleasant enviorment free from hostilites here.
-- Cat chi? 14:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Good luck with all your future endeavors CC. Shame you had to go like this. You will be missed dearly. --D-Day 15:27, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Goodbye Cool cat

You were may favourite wikipedian. --HamedogTalk|@ 22:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to see you go! Thanks for all your work (it was loads!) and all the best! --JoanneB 00:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I enjoyed working with you, your departure saddens me but I understand. Thank you for the help, advice and support you gave me. --Alf melmac 10:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Perseving the dream!

As you have said that you want to be alone, so be it! But if you need someone, i am here.

I have posted a message on the Oh! My goddess! talk page about the postion for a spoken word version of the respective articles become vacant again. If anyone is intrested please go to Talk:Oh My Goddess!.

And i will perseve these pages so that vandels won't gloat about your departure from wikipedia.

Goodbye Cool Cat, you will be missed. -Dynamo_ace Talk

Well since you mentioned Oh My Goddess!... Can you sync Kikuko Inoue with [8] -- Cat chi? 12:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean? Do you mean take ANN's info and place it into Kikuko Inoue or the other way round. Just want to make sure. -Dynamo_ace Talk

"Copy" ANN stuff to wikipedia. Inoue-san deserves that. :) -- Cat chi? 13:28, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I would love to, but it seems my talk and user page is overloaded i think, i keep on having a fatal error. Any way to solve this? -Dynamo_ace Talk

Someone vandalised your talk page. Fixing. -- Cat chi? 13:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
user: vandalilsed the defcon template. Perhaps defcon template should be semiprotected. -- Cat chi? 13:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
That was easy. -- Cat chi? 14:00, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Now to enchance Kikuko Inoue page. -Dynamo_ace Talk

Hmm... the infomation on ANN is not in chronical order but there is a bit i can use to enchance the article. As for all the roles she has been in, some of the roles she have done are only minor, adding them or a nearly every single apperarance may not go down well with other users because they are only minor and not significant apperances or the page could get overloaded if all her apperances are listed.

Therefore, i have included a IMDB link for now, and await your suggestions for improvement. -Dynamo_ace Talk

Do a section for major roles and a subsection (maybe) for minor roles. "Major" role is POV anyways :P. The ANN is ordered alphabeticaly, wikipedia is chronologicaly. i do not see why we shouldnt list her every appearance. We do that for movie stars no? See: Jackie Chan -- Cat chi? 15:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Big and Little Wong Tin Bar jakie was only 8 years old on this movie. I seriously doubt he had a major role :P -- Cat chi? 15:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

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This image is exempt from copyrights. The image has a source and I believe that websie created. That image is in the public domain as it is avalible on many ambulances, ER uniforms, and even on ER rooms.
Tell me you were kidding with that warning. -- Cat chi? 11:59, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Star of Life was created in 1973 by Leo R. Schwartz, Chief of the Emergency Medical Services branch at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) to avoid juridic problems related to the use of derivatives of the Red Cross (like orange cross, green cross, etc.). The Star of Life was registered as a certification mark on February 1, 1977.
  1. Image is PD because it was created by a US gov employee.
  2. Image was created to evade copyright and juridic problems. Hence by nature... it is designed to evade copyright problems.
Geez. -- Cat chi? 12:13, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I haven't seen that sort of ambulance star before, cause I'm in India and here we have a different type of cross. Anyways, the img was tagged as no copyright information, and so I thought I'd asked you. I'm sorry to here you're leaving. So many users are leaving nowadays (freestylefrappe, SWD316 and now you).--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 12:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I highly recomend checking history of an image to see if the tag was modified, which was the case for this image. -- Cat chi? 12:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I did check the history, and since I'm no great shakes at copyrights, I wasn't sure what was correct since User:Simetrical had commented that The stated reason for the image being public-domain is impossible. Please see Wikipedia:Copyright and determine the legal status of the image. I was just checking. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 12:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Good riddance old boy

Glad to see you go. This is great news for the project. Erwin

Who are you? I don't think we have met. I am sure I would remember judging from your apathy. -- Cat chi? 14:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from violation of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL, Erwin, or actions will be taken. That slanderous comment was extremely provocative. -ZeroTalk 14:28, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

is it really true?

hey man. you were one of the best. why did you go?? -- 16:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Some reasons:
  1. Some people intentionaly give me hard time strictly to annoy me. At least I hope that's it. Otherwise why else would they complain about restrictions imposed on an IRC channel and never use it once restrictions were removed.
  2. People dont even trust me to hand over admin power after a full year here. People who threatened to leave wikipedia on my forst rfa if I were to be adminise still vote oppose on the 3rd rfa complaining about civility and AGF. Granted adminship is a broken process and my rfa 3 wasnt remotely as bad as rfa 3 but still there are reapearing people voting oppose.
  3. People I trust/should trust such as mentors, arbitrators, and board members are giving me a hard time. An arbotrator banned me from #wikipedia for requesting the ban of User:MARMOT who was taunting me in PMs. While the ban from #wikipedia does not slience pms it at least symbolicaly removes marmot from my presence. Youd think people would not ban good users. I got a oard member threating to ban me if I force fr wiki (I dont know how can I do that since I dont know french and had only 2 real edits on I am not going to slander these individuals any further.
  4. I am tired of contributing to a comunity whom the people in charge does not appriciate my prsence and efforts to the point of threatening me with blocks on even the slightest dispute. I would not put up with this even if I were payed, not that I care about money all that much.
    • Even in my last days here I get "the image you uploaded is for deletion" warning for an image designed for PD. But I can't blame the person posting that to my talk page as image history is quite silly.
  5. If I stay people will annoy me knowing I wont leave. If I leave they wont annoy me. Also people use me as an excuse to oppose rfas. It is almost at the point of "'''Oppose''' User is a friend of Cool Cat ~~~~"
-- Cat chi? 17:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I realised primary source of my stress is from wikipedians on IRC not on #wikipedia-en-vandalism . Hmm... -- Cat chi? 17:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)



I regret the way the community appears to be treating you. There was a fairly long time in which I misjudged you, and while there may be a few issues where we still probably don't see eye-to-eye (e.g. Userboxes), I am glad we took the time to talk on IRC and were able to work constructively on things. There are some things the community is struggling with, and the well may be partly poisoned -- however you decide I wish you well. Take care. --Improv 04:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

What are the known symptoms of this poison? Any chemical analysis of it avalible? -- Cat chi? 08:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Replacing images on ViP subpages

You're replacing the images on ViP subpages for particular vandals with the CVU image. Any reason? It just seemed odd when I noticed you doing it. —Matthew Brown (T:C) 16:50, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

? Hmm... No real reason. Was just bored -- Cat chi? 16:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

image edits to vandal profiles

Why are you doing this? Did I miss an important discussion regarding these pages? — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 16:50, Feb. 1, 2006

? Hmm... No real reason. Was just bored -- Cat chi? 16:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)



you have helped me before and I was wondering if you could help me out here. I wanted to start a page that would be an anti vandalism page. (Like the Counter-Vandalism Unit). I started a page that explained what it was and when the page would be operative. An admin deleted it and told me to put in on the village pump. I couldnt find a place in the village pump to place my page construction. Could you help me.

(if what i said is confusing, then tell me and I will try to make it easier, because I think i didnt explain this clearly enough)


--Activision45 00:03, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Beware that even the best proposals are litteraly "treated like shit".
The semi-protection when I proposed it recieved no sympathy and I was scorned for it, it was later implimented once we had CNN coverage. I am telling you this to be prepared for "wierd comments".
You will be accused of being a "millitary dictator" for example. People will also use Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit as another example "why this is a bad idea". ANd people will use it as an excuse to oppose RfAs etc. Some will call it a cabal... Endless nonsense yes.
In addition it will continiously cause you stress. Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit only achived to stress me (aside form throtteling vandalism down but no one cares about that).
For example if you have an IRC channel with newly-imposed restrictions
  • People complain about the restrictions
  • Cause you hours of work to find a way to lift the restrictions and still make the channel "secure".
  • Asking people to register their nicks is unnaceptable for example.
  • Then once restrictions are gone the person complaining does not EVEN use the channel ONCE or EVEN join the channel.
This is how it will go. I am telling you this in advance so you know whats waiting you.

If you are willing to take all that do this: Try creating the page on User:Activision45/proposal (or any name you choose under your userspace).
I'll be able to "guide" you better once I see whay kind of a proposal this is :).
-- Cat chi? 12:50, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


Having expressed strong opposition to my first nomination you may wish to comment on my second.
brenneman(t)(c) 05:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


Hi, I noticed your interaction on User talk:Anthere, and also your creation of a joke category (Sock puppets of George W. Bush) and some joke notices on User:George W. Bush and User:☺♥§¡¡PhüçGèõrgëW.Bûsh!‼!♀♪►☻.

I've reverted the joke noticed and deleted the category. No harm done, but please don't play that game again.

Could you explain what happened on the other wikis? What parts were you trying to move to meta? I'm asking this as your mentor, so please take this as a semi-official query on behalf of the English Wikipedia. If people on other wikis are getting upset at you, they would expect us, as the people who know you best, to play a part in resolving any problems. --Tony Sidaway 11:10, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Ill summarise since this is getting complicated. Ill use bullets :)
  1. I decide being a Wikipediholic I move all pages explaining Wikipediholicism symptoms to meta on all languages.
  2. I go ahead and copy every page on every language to meta.
  3. I blank pages to take the attention of local comunities, I did not outright blank pages but leave a link to meta. I did this after creating a copy in meta.
  4. Some mistaken this for vandalism while others did not. Once I explained them this is not vandalism but a "standard" meta move (no harm is done with the move).
    • True Wikipediholic's prefer meta rite? :) Also after all meta is not english, many pages have multi lingual links (you know what I mean). If individual comunities for any reason do not want the move I have no way of forcing them after all I am one person and can only revert so far. And also I dont care about other language wikis. I did not revert a single comunity against the comunities will.
So far so good.
  1. An Anon and a Nl.wikipedian reverted me on many languages. Even if the comunity accepted the meta move such as here at en.wikipedia: or here: th.wikipedia issue
  2. Fr wikipedian reverting me on polish wikipedia: Id like to note unlike his claims I have discussed with the polish guys in #pl.wikipedia prior to the move. Since I know them from RC patroling efforts of mine and theirs. And again it isnt the local comunity deciding it is the Fr.wikipedia deciding for another comunity. -- Cat chi? 12:04, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Same goes for japanese wikipedia: ja.wikipedia issue I again discussed this on IRC and notice the local comunity reverting the anon reverting me.
  3. Without having any discussion Anthere threatened to block me if I "forced" this issue on fr.wikipedia in a self contradictory manner. That en.wikipedia policies did not applied to fr.wikipedia (yea I know it doesnt) and that if I "forced" the issue on fr.wikipedia I would be blocked. etc. etc. (while I was beeing reverted by the nl.wikipedia guy who also has a fr.wikipedia account. Judging from his contribs he is not very active on fr.wikipedia)
So yea... thats in sum what it is. -- Cat chi? 11:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

My belief is that it is either Davenbelle or Karl Meier (who I know is active on nl wiki) or it is some other individual I never met stalking me interwiki. And for THAT I get block threats.

I also noticed the french campaigning against my move/me while preparing the evidence.

-- Cat chi? 11:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I can see why you might want to put such an article to meta; I can also see why your actions could be viewed by other people as disruptive or unwanted meddling. I'm not excusing their actions, but I don't think it's necessary to get into a war about this.
I think the solution would be for you to leave the different language versions on meta, but place a note (preferably in the local language) on the talk page for the local wiki version, explaining that there is a copy on meta but you'll leave it up to the local people to decide for themselves whether they want to redirect to that one.
On local languages, prepare a translation if you know the language or can find someone who does--for instance I can write good French and Spanish if you don't know those languages, or you could ask User:Rama, who is a native French speaker, to translate into French. User:Dbachmann is, I think a native German speaker, and User:Ausir is Polish. But I expect you'll have some speakers of foreign languages through your CVU contacts.
I want to counsel you to be very sensitive here. This isn't an area for speculation about people out to get you and it certainly isn't the time to get into arguments with people like User:Anthere, whose commitment to Wikipedia cannot be questioned. I know you have had to bite your tongue and do the right thing a lot, and I admire your fortitude greatly. Please, please tread carefully. An argument at Foundation level is one thing I could not rescue you from. Rather than risk that, I would step in and make a cross-wiki ban recommendation which I would expect you to observe, just so that you would not end up being hard-banned. I am not yet about to ban you, but I am very worried about your interaction with Anthere. Tread very carefully. And I advise you to swallow your pride and apologise to Anthere. --Tony Sidaway 13:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I will not "swalow my pride" and rather leave wikipedia, thats how my personality goes. Under no circumstances will I apologise for getting threatened. I am not questioning Anthere's contribution to wikipedia, her contribution does not give him the right to threaten me like this.
I do not fear if the argument hits the Foundation which will likely cause Anthere problems. I prefer it doesn't come to that however. If the Foundation prefers that board members threaten "good wikipedians" (aka people who rc patrol write articles) then I have no reason to be here. Also I really have nothing to loose. I am not even entrusted with admin privilages and am one step from leaving wikipedia. Furthermore, I will not observe any "cross-wiki ban" because some board member decides to play the The Almighty.
I believe justice does exist among wikipedians and Ia also believe board members are not entitled to threaten random "good wikipedians" with blocks without even talking to them. If no one else is willing I'll stand up for the "truth" or die (get blokced indefinately) while trying.
-- Cat chi? 13:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

May I add that I find very peculiar that Cool Cat feels allowed to change these pages without consulting the local communities first, even re-reverting after he has been reverted in two occasions (es: and fr:), yet gets angry with his opponents for reverting him on other wikis than their own? I also find his remarks here and here to sound like he has very little feeling for community. "It should not bring a lot of stress - I did a lot of work on this, it should just be blanked - do what you want with the page, you're causing me unnecessary stress". As for Anthere threatening to block you: Doing an edit then reverting it does sound like trying to 'force' to me. Your mileage may vary, but just realize that in many non-English Wikipedias there is much resistance against (real or imagined) 'imperialism' from en:. Barging in and make changes because you like them when others don't is not going to increase your popularity.

Addition: The block threat was based on a message to me on the wikipedia-l list, see here and here. Anthere reacted here, apparently hearing of them for the first time and getting quite enraged. - Andre Engels 13:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I dont care about my popularity or wikipolitics. I never had any popularity in the first place. I got harrased constantly by individuals unlike anyone else.
I have been reverted by same people interwiki even when I discussed it with the comunities on IRC and they said it was a good idea. Local comunities who liked the meta idea were also reverted. See th and ja wikipeida. I do not care what goes on wikipedia-l. I blanked to take comunities attention. Posting on talk pages no one looks at will not get anyones attention.
I will revert war on against french wikipedians on japanese wikipedia. If the japanese comunity decided they dont do meta then I would backed down as I did on Nl note that i did so with great disapointment.
never the less I thank you for posting liks to the mailing list. I did not even know about it prior.
-- Cat chi? 13:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the tip, if i'm on IRC anytime soon, i'll head into that channel. I have a question for you, but i'll wait a bit. I need advice from outside Wikipedia on it first. Karmafist 12:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok :). If its a "private" issue you can always email. :) -- Cat chi? 12:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

How's it going...?

Hello Cool Cat. I am so estatic to see you decided to stay with us, and I'm happy you seem to have calmed down. I hope that you continue to remain in the wikipedian community, and I know that many would hate to see your departure. Please drop by my talkpage and talk if there's anything bothering you. -ZeroTalk 21:41, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I have not calmed down. I decided to stay with newer incidents and also the recent nonsense in the mailing list. I have no intention of sorting that out. Also I have aboard member threatening to block me (out of the blue since she did not bother talking to me). If I run now it would look as if I was beeing scared away. I intend to be more agressive now since people are dedicated in giving me a hard time, Ill have to shake them off for good. -- Cat chi? 00:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes. I saw your conversation, although I haven't looked into it. Therefore, I do not know what each side of the party's standpoints are, although not engaging in discussion before the threat of a block seems very unbecoming of a board member. Just try to stay out of trouble, or I won't consider letting you have any of this. -ZeroTalk 00:38, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Doing a headon with a board member is like dancing on thin ice. I am already at severe disadvantage and expect serious hostility from the masses. I do not care about that however so long as justice is met. People annoy me for a hobby and I am begining to get used to it (ok thats a lie). -- Cat chi? 00:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Just attempt to continue to edit in good faith. If anyone objects, the best they can accuse you of is doing what you thought was just for the encyclopedia. No need for the negativity. -ZeroTalk 01:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Hmm? I am trying to defend CVU a few lines below. I dont think I can "assume good faith" so long as people campaign against CVU. -- Cat chi? 02:16, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

CVU logos

Why are you opposing the CVU logos? Wikimedia.png apears on almost every userpage, does that mean foundation supports every userpage? I dont quite understand. -- Cat chi? 17:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I oppose them for two main reasons. 1) They contravene the Foundation's visual identity guidelines. 2) They falsely imply the CVU is in some way Foundation-supported. I know that is explicitly denied lower down, but the size of the logos and their prominence at the top of the page (and the fact that the disclaimer is fairly low down the page and many will skim-read it) do make the suggestion hard to avoid. Sam Korn (smoddy) 20:38, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
You should know I have been dealing with senseless complaints from people such as kim_ complaining about the restrictions imposed on the IRC channel to restrict access to the bot (due to malicious people impostering people). After I lifted the restrictions completely ignoting concensus established among people in the channel he did NOT even join the chan
With such people I only get stressed and day by day spend more time dealing with "complaints", I have quit editing wikipedia mostly and left RC patroling completely so as to deal with constant complaints. What stuff complains about is how "CVU" looks. All cosmetics such as the logos copyrihts. People at CVU have been "under attack" of complaints about CVU cosmetics for ages now and are distracted from focusing on fighting vandalism in order to defend themselves/CVU.
Lets assume your claim is correct that CVU logo violatis wikipedias copyrights on wikipedia, regardless of the boards permision. It is not like wikipedia is going to sue wikipedia for copyrights. Can you please spend time pursuing copyright violations on wikipedia aside from the CVU logos. There are maybe thousands of images/pages that should be deleted because they are violating non wikipedia copyrights. CVU and its members are constantly under fire by people who oppose CVU. They have their reasons, some do it just to annoy me (I am not remotely suggesting you are trying to annoy me).
You may ask "Why is the CVU's logo so important?" and there isnt an easy answer to that. Many of the people discussing want to get rid of the image (perhaps primarily to satisfy "copyright paranoia" of people such as yourself but thats my POV). For me CVU logo is one of my rare creations. I also like the image with the wikimedia logo on it.

About your points:
  1. Board was fine with the image. Can I have a link to these guidelines so I can discuss the matter better.
  2. I'd like to inquire what part of the logo implies "foundation support" as I do not see how thats possible.
    • If it is wikipedia logo warranting foundation support, that would mean the foundation is supporting every place the wikimedia logo apears on.
    • If it is the text, well Image:Wikimedia.png apears on almost every userpage with the words "Wikimedia foundation" and has the wikimedia logo. It is possible to falsely imply foundation support from any image if you look hard enough.
Unlike other people you are civil while talking to me, least I can do is respond back in a civil tone. If for any reason above stuff was not civil please accept my apologies.
-- Cat chi? 00:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Foundation's visual identity guidelines are at [9]. My contention in particular is that the position contravenes the "Placement" section. Note that Anthere explicitly denies that there is Foundation permission given. I shall dig up the links to the Foundation-l archives and answer your other points when I'm not feeling so ill. Sam Korn (smoddy) 16:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Hmm so the coments I got on my talk page giving me permision to use the image is a lie? [10] link is from image description. There was no such thing as "board aproval" back then but there were also no objections. Now, if the board complains about the image we will deal with it. You are not the board and please let the board deal with such issues. I encourge you to use your time more effectively. However if you really like we can discuss the image based on the "Wikimedia visual identity guidelines". Please however do not involve the mailing list and rest of wikipedia for this trivial matter that can be handled effectively without the ruckus. -- Cat chi? 17:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
  • The colored Wikimedia logo should always be used on a white or very light gray background (max. 15% black), never on a colored background.
  • The logo should not be turned around or distorted
The cvu logo qualifies to above entries as far as I care aside from maybe the "very light gray background (max. 15% black)" bit. There may be some argument there but at the moment no such argument exists. That is easy to fix by removing the black triangles behind the wikimedia logo and would make the image not so cool. Is there anything else subject to copyright discussion?. Note that "Wikimedia visual identity guidelines" is a gudeline not a policy. I do not think it is absolutely necesary to follow guidelines letter by letter. -- Cat chi? 17:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

In reading this I thought of Trademark and [11]. The point is that the customer or user is best served when not mislead. I have no opinion as to what extent the logos and their uses mislead or not, but in my opinion that is the issue. WAS 4.250 20:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


Just a heads up-- I'm questioning the concept of declaring war on vandals on the mailing list.

Thanks for the constructive criticism you left on my talk page; it's always edifying to learn about other people's concerns. --The Cunctator 00:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me so you are suggesting vandalism be welcome on wikipedia? Look I do not believe you are trying to destroy wikipedia. However what ever you have been doing is non-constrictive criticism that only achive to stress good users and delighted vandals. When was the last time you RC patroled? Or do you oppose RC patrols as well? -- Cat chi? 01:04, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Declaring war on vandals makes us, by analogy, the Roman Empire. That doesn't seem like a good idea. I think there should be automatic mechanisms to encourage/force all editors to review RC. --The Cunctator 15:37, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
We are not the roman empier, "declaring war on vandals" hence cannot make make us the roman empier. The cosmetics (apperance) of terminology really should be the least of our worries.
Automatic mechanism such as? Not everyone wants to do RC patroling. Just like not everyone wants to vote on VfDs. The main problem with automation is vandals find ways around it. Not all vandals seek attention, some prefer to vandalise sneaky and brag about how long their vandalism stayed.
There are mechanisms encouraging RC patrol.
  • Thats exactly why I started the Wikipedia:Counter Vandalism Unit to encourage people. I placed a cute/nice logo to seek peoples attention and a lot of people started RC patroling perhaps because of that.
  • There is also the RickK's anti-vandalism barnstar given to people who revert vandalism to encourage people RC patrol more.
The idea is to get people RC patroling without forcing them. Forcing people do things make us slavemasters :P. The point of the two thinsg I mentioned above is to "encourage". Also CVU is a place where we colaborate on how to deal with large scale vandalism more effectively. Anybody, assuming they are not vandals is welcome to join the colaborations. -- Cat chi? 15:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Bot features/functions

Rather than clutter up your talk page, I've created User_talk:Cool_Cat/bots It might no be complete yet, but it's a start. If you wanted more detail on particular parts, let me know. --pgk(talk) 08:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The bots files are indexed files, so I can directly access the data based on the "key" value. Python implements this quite easily and maintains a fair memory cache of recently accessed items, so it's a pretty quick to get to any item we know the key for. --pgk(talk) 07:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Requesting assistance

Hi, well removing local copies of files on commons is generaly a bit of a cumbersome process (wich is probably why it has such a gigantic backlog) on acount of the requirement of preserving the file history for GFDL compliance. However these images seem straight forward enough, public domain and uploaded by you both places, so sure I can help you get rid of the duplicates, I'll get to work on the ones you orphanded with the 3 edits you listed on my talk page. --Sherool (talk) 15:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

You havent deleted the spanish ones yet :) -- Cat chi? 00:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
[12] Italian ranks are now in comons too. those were the last. and are no longer necesary :) -- Cat chi? 00:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I did delete the Spanish ones actualy, but it turns out someone else had copied those to commons under the same name already for use on the Spanish Wiki. I tagged them as redundant with yours though, some admin on commons will have to sort that out. I'll get on the Italian ones tomorow. I'm planning to get some sleep now... just have to fix my monobook.js file first. --Sherool (talk) 00:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

User Page award


Congratulations, とある白い猫/Archive/2006! Your user page has been nominated for the Esperanza User Page Award! Five judges will look over your user page and award it 1-10 points in four categories:

  • Attractiveness: general layout, considering colour scheme and/or use of tables if applicable
  • Usefulness: links to subpages or editing aids, helpful information
  • Interesting-ness: quirky, unique, captivating, or funny content
  • General niceness: at the judges' discretion

But first, you must be chosen as a finalist. If your user page is chosen as one of the five finalists, you'll have the chance to win an award created just for having a great user page!

More information can be found on this page.

smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 18:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Ranks and insignia of NATO armies officers

I want to achieve what I am doing there with 25 in one template. Ideas?

  • The images follow this pattern:
    • CC-Army-OF##.EXT
    • CC-Navy-OF##.EXT
    • CC-Airf-OF##.EXT
  • Where CC denotes country code and ## denotes nato code.

I'll let you take a look at it and then toss ideas. -- Cat chi? 01:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat. I've been looking at the templates and they could definitely be condensed, but I guess the best way to restructure them depends on what you want to use them for. You could make a template like, {{insignia |country=BE|force=army|rank=1a}} which displays any given insignia based on the parameters passed to it, but at that point you might as well just use the 'image:' markup. Alternatively the template could just look for 'country' and 'force' as parameters and then, based on those two, conditionally display the list of insignia indicated. That would just involve copying the info from all the existing templates in and putting conditional logic around it. Another option would be to put the ranks in the parameter names like; {{insignia |BE-ar-1a=1|US-nv-9=1}} and then have the template logic display the insignia for which parameters have been set. It all depends on how you are looking to use the images I guess. Are they just going to be on a few comparison pages or would they be displayed on the pages of individual commanders and the like? --CBD 22:04, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I am not happy with the templates as they are not generic enough. No argument there. When I created the templates an if/else structure did not existed.
One reason I am not sure how to handle the templates is that I do not have one solid patern. See luxembourg one for example or italian. How would I handle all that in one template.
The templates will be used just for comparasions AND are used on individual army pafes. For example see what links to the US, UK, Tr, GR etc ranks.
What I want to achive: Few/One generic template(s) that does what 26 templates are doing. I also dont want it to change the apperance (aside from perhaps condensing width a bit)
-- Cat chi? 00:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I put together a partial test at User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox2. Feel free to play with it. Changing the country in the template call on the first line should change the insignia displayed. Somewhat glitchy, but a general concept for how one template could include the contents of the 26 and conditionally display info for the country or countries called. --CBD 02:19, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Hmm.... You are tossing all images into one template. What I want to achiheve is to use a template repetively. (Use one templae for all countries). Template should be passed countries name, name of the ranks, branch of military... etc... Is this doable? -- Cat chi? 13:23, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
That can certainly be done, but the tricky part would then be the formatting. How to tell the template to arrange particular insignia vertically rather than horizontally. That's why my first draft copied all the images/formatting in and then just displayed the requested set. I guess the '1' and '2' settings in your lists above are meant to indicate which row each insignia should appear in. Since it seems like the insignias for a particular country/force are always displayed together I'd suggest moving everything out of the call except {{insignia|Code=Tr|Branch=Army|Type=OF}}... which officer ranks exist for that country and the names assigned to them can be kept in the template code itself rather than having to be written into the call each time - unless you want to be able to do things like just display officer ranks 9, 8, 5 and 3 of the Turkish Army. Then all that detail needs to be in the call to the template. I'll work on it for a while now. --CBD 23:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I put together a very simple template at User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox2 which just calls the existing templates based on parameters passed to it and a much more complicated template at User:CBDunkerson/Transition which uses a switch to set various parameters in a call to User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox4 - which then builds the insignia layout based on the parameters passed. --CBD 01:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Looks nice. Sorry I couldn't be more help working it out. --CBD 22:55, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

No that was the easyone. And you did help me greatly. Now, can you find a way to simplify this one (and make it much more generic)?
I'll take a look. Also, a couple of things on the current template. For the little flags - UK needs 'the United Kingdom' to get the flag file name right, but then prints 'the United Kingdom' next to it instead of 'United Kingdom'. If I recall correctly there is a version of those flag templates which works off the country code (UK) which would leave 'Country' free to be just the text displayed. For {{Rank insignia OF/N}} (or OF/D) it might make sense to change it from |'''No {{{1}}}''' to just |{{{1}}} so it could be set to the UK's student officer text, "single white stripe", the US "Various", or whatever... one template with configurable text parameter. Could also add a second parameter for a label below it (like Officer Candidate). --CBD 23:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I modified your template to handle both officers and enlisted at User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox4. That calls various other pages in my userspace... mostly copies of your 'OF/1', 'OF/2', et cetera modified to accept 'OF' or 'OR' as part of the parameters passed in rather than hard-coding 'OF'. However, I also changed 'OF/N' (User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox2) to just display the text passed to it... which defaults to the No Equivalent contents of your 'OF/D'... since this can handle the effects of 'OF/0', 'OF/D', 'OF/N', and various unique text which is displayed I used it for all of those conditions and don't call the other templates. I also added an 'OF/3' at User:CBDunkerson/Transition to handle side by side display of multiple insignias the way they are shown in the enlisted tables. Currently only handles two (a & b), but a third can be added for the few cases which have 'c' insignias. --CBD 01:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


Hi Cool Cat, no problem at all! Just tell me what you need.

By the way, I was also about to write to you. I was appointed admin in Wikipedia Malay two days ago and wanted to introduce all these awards in Wikipedia Malay portal. I wonder whether it would be possible to use templates to actually define the award, eg. "Best Article for March 2006" and stuff like that so that the actual number of logos used can be kept down. I will try to learn up a vector program so that the images will turn out better than the last one. Regards. — PM Poon 08:10, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat, I have tried one sample before I proceed with the rest. I wonder whether you found the original image a little too dark; I almost missed the four flowers in DM-Army-OF9.gif. I have removed the white background and brightened the image.

The edge is jagged because the two sides are slant and this is a gif image. The only way to overcome this is to make both edge straight.

I didn't quite get what you mean by "Standardise images in one theme". Can you elaborate or give an illustration? — PM Poon 15:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat, I have removed the white backgrounds for the 14 images. How do you want me to upload it as I do not seem to be able to replace the original images in Wikimedia Commons. — PM Poon 23:32, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

You can overite the commons one. The changes wont take effect immidiately. After the upload try purging your chache (ctrl+f5 for internet explorer and firefox). -- Cat chi? 23:45, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Dick Userbox

Hi Cool Cat, would you consider removing the following from your userpage?

'''[[Image:Richard Cheney 2005 official portrait.jpg|45px]]''' | style="font-size: 8pt; padding: 4pt; line-height: 1.25em;" | This user supports '''circumcision''' of '''[[m:Dick|dicks]]''' on '''[[Wikipedia]]'''.

See Jimbo's request. Thanks, Gchriss 18:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

If you have a problem with my userpage and addressing others about it before asking me I will of course decline you request.
Furthermore I see no evidence of comments by Jimbo regarding my userpage. -- Cat chi? 18:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I haven't asked anyone else but you, Cool Cat. I should have stated Jimbo's appeal, located at the top of his talk page:

"I wonder if you might consider simply removing your political/religious/etc. userboxes and asking others to do the same."

Thanks, Gchriss 19:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh I see... The userbox is neither political nor religious. It is simply a self expresion. I dont like people who act like dicks on wikipedia. I am merely quoting a wikipedia guideline. -- Cat chi? 19:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I think the policy is fine (except for perhaps a name change), but the first impression I had of your userpage is that you think Dick Cheney acts like a dick. Perhaps not what you intended, but some people can become touchy over politics. I will leave this to your decision. Thanks, Gchriss 19:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

His name is "Dick", I did not give him his name :P. I enjoy mocking famous/powerful people from time to time. Makes me feel powerfull. :P -- Cat chi? 20:13, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Image talk:Katar.jpg

I replied there. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 21:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Glorifying vandals

I'm a little confused at a few of your recent edits. You removed the vandal 'logos' (for lack of better word) from various Vandalism in progress pages, such as this edit to MARMOT's page. Your reasoning for this was "lets not glorify vandals", which I agree with. However, you then added a vandal 'logo' to {{NCV}} in this edit. It seems to me that what is vandal-glorifying on one page is certainly vandal-glorifying on hundreds of user pages. // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 17:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, how are you doing? -- Cat chi? 18:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Rather bored as well. // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 19:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Awww... -- Cat chi? 19:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Yep, us cabalians ocassionally get bored of wielding terrible tyranny over our poor victims. ;) // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 22:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Participant alert regarding Wikiproject on Advertising

The Wikiproject No Ads, created as a backlash against the deal, has served an important function in providing a space for users to express their disagreement with the Foundation proposal. While the current controversies about userboxes raise questions about political and social advocacy on Wikipedia, there should be greater flexibility regarding advocacy about Wikipedia in the Wikipedia namespace. Reported and linked by Slashdot and other press sources as a unique and spontaneous occurence in Wikipedia history, it has apparently had some impact as, despite being scheduled to begin in January, not a peep has been heard about the trial and proposed sponsored link since the deal's controversial announcement months ago. Currently, however, there is an attempt to delete the project or move it off Wikipedia altogether. Since the Foundation has provided no additional information and has not attempted to answer the specific questions that participants in the project raised, it is unclear if the deal has been abandoned or simply delayed. Until the situation becomes more clear, I believe the group should still have a place in the Wikipedia namespace. Sincerely, Tfine80 23:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm pleging my support for the "no-ads" campagin on the grounds that if such a thing is happening then you can be sure i will be against such advertising on the Wikimedia network. We can but wait for the enemies to surface. -Dynamo_ace Talk

Starfleet ranks and insignia

SOS! Help us out :P -- Cat chi? 15:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm...Let them drown! :) (turns away the steering wheel) -ZeroTalk 15:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Never, they are among the rank-and-file (ha!) It's on my to-do list and I'll get around to the related articles in the next few days. Stay tuned, and thanks for your patience. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 15:46, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. Don't worry: it's on my to-do list. I anticipate getting around to the relevant articles in the next few days. I hope that's OK. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 15:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

That's ok. I am only panicing that I'd end up doing all the work. :o -- Cat chi? 15:49, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I am emmensly impressed. The expansion and new rank tables are very neat. Beware of original research, though. A few of the enlisted ranks have never been talked about in the show and should be considered fan conjecture. Other than that...very nice job! -Husnock 00:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, please move those to the right place (conjectured ranks etc). I treated spike as cannon see this link for example as spikes site is rather nice. -- Cat chi? 00:13, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Kuro-RPG says yes.


I was sent an email asking for permission to use the ranksets on Kuro-RPG for Wikipedia use, and I hereby give permission for their use here.

Also, don't be afraid to check up on the website for updates. Sometimes I may be unhappy with the design of one of the templates, and I wish to "update" it. (Which also includes TOS and TMP ranksets, since they are due for an update)

Sincerely, Kuro-chan.

Hi, actualy I was hoping to lure you here. And thank you for the image permission :) -- Cat chi? 19:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the Best User Page Project

Let us try an experiment. Until further notice, the voting system will be open, using the method described in the Guidelines. This will make us understand how reliable the current system is and whether the project has a real possibility to expand into hundrends of users or not.

All users are encounaged to display the {{BestUserPage}} banner on their User Page.

All members all encouraged to display the {{BUP}} banner in their User Page, and also notify that the project has started.

We will refer to the votes for this first session as "March 2006" in the archive.

Federico Pistono 19:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, howver I feel the userbox wouldn't generate the attention you guys are seeking, so I used something else. Hope you like it. :) -- Cat chi? 00:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Excellent! I modified the template, thank you for your useful suggestion. Federico Pistono 09:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Happy Valentine's day!

Hey Cool Cat, have this heart for Valentine's day! ^_^ --Shanel 05:52, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Happy valentines ;) FireFoxT • 10:33, 14 February 2006

Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland

Please do not blank a page and copy contents to another. Instead use the move button. We want to keep histories of articles. :) -- Cat chi? 21:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

You will see, if you check the timestamps, that the article "Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland" , the full and correct name for the article was created before "Royal Anthropological Institute" , which is the colloquial name, and the more often searched, and was created solely for redirect purposes. No page blanking occured. Apology would be nice. MNewnham 22:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
A blanking did happen at FRAI. I am not suggesting you were mallicious, if I had the belief you were we wouldnt be talking. I am simply pointing you the "move" button. No reason to get hostile.
A move is basicaly what you were trying to do, right? Moving everything on FRAI to Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland was your intention, right? We use the move button for that opperation on wikipedia. The only difference with it and yourself is that by this way you preserve the page history (A.K.A. who wrote it).
A move was done by User:Drini [13] for you. You may thank him.
Thank you for your time. -- Cat chi? 22:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Actually, it wasn't a move - it was a merge and redirect of the information in FRAI into an existing article at RAIoGBaI. Now if there is some magic way of doing it apart from cutting the info from the source , pasting it to the target , then changing the original to a redirect please let me know. I notice the Dhini has destroyed the edit history of article FRAI, so obviously I cant prove this. MNewnham 22:33, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
He moved the history to the new page: Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland. History was not destroyed. Instead it was preserved.
The magic way to do it is by using the "move" link next to history. On that page all you need to do is type the new name. That would move everything on FRAI to Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland and also create a #redirect from FRAI to Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland for you.
I am just trying to explain mediawiki (the software that runs wikipedia) to you. Your confortious tone is irritating, please modify your attitude. -- Cat chi? 23:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm serious - I created RAIoGBaI brand new - If you look on dead end pages right now, you can see a link for FRAI. That link has been there for months. All I did was scrape what was on it and put it in RAI after I created it, then added REDIRECT to FRAI. Merge wasn't possible because RAIoGBaI already existed. but heres what is wierd. The history that is on RAIoGBaI is now the history that was on FRAI. The history on FRAI is gone, otherwise it would be verifiable as a dead end page. I'm sorry I irritate you, but call it a cultural thingMNewnham 01:00, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


Hi. I'm very surprised at your removal of the tag. [14] In what way have I gone against policy? I have tagged the image as possibly unfree and listed it on the relevant page for discussion by the wider community. The tag directs attention to the discussion allowing more people to participate. The JPS 00:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I do not find the above most sincere.
If you had any intention want to seek the attention of a wider community you would use the talk page of articles using the image.
I am tired of dealing with people paranoid about copyrights. Not only are we required to tag images now, we are also required to defend them frequently. You are the 3rd person/group I am discussing images' copyright status.
No one outside of wikipedia is paranoid about copyrights and I am staring to get annoyed.
-- Cat chi? 01:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


Thanks a lot for creating a temp replacement for Devil's Due (TNG episode)--it's now in place as the article. By the way, it would be helpful in such cases if you could make a note at WP:CP, since we sometimes miss them (though we try our best not to). Thanks. Chick Bowen 02:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, I didnt nominate the article and thought it was already listed there. I merely saved uncopyrighted knowlege from delete. :) -- Cat chi? 03:02, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, I wasn't clear. It was listed there; I meant to make a note that you'd created a temp to make sure we don't delete it accidentally. Anyway, yes, you saved it, and thanks again. Chick Bowen 03:04, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
^_^' I wish copyrights were processed with same care all the time. :) -- Cat chi? 03:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's my first day. No doubt I'll be a callous wheel warrior soon enough. :) Chick Bowen 03:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Proposed policy

As the founder of CVU, I thought you might be interested in the amendment to the blocking policy I proposed. Check it out! —BorgHunter ubx (talk) 19:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Sadly I am not entrusted with admin privilages, however I am investigating your idea. -- Cat chi? 23:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you..

For telling me about the suspission thing. I am not the infiltrating kinda person, or a vandal to say. --Auburnfan4 00:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)Auburnfan4

I am not saying you are inflating. All I am saying is people need to be carefull so innitialy things may not go as flawless as it should. :) -- Cat chi? 00:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Admin inclusions

You may want to keep that account blocked. Any username with "admin" in it is misleading. -- Cat chi? 00:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat - yes, I know. I will reblock it in a little bit - don't worry. I'm in contact with the person who uses the account at the moment. --HappyCamper 00:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Hmm..that was a bit vague - let me elaborate a bit further :-) -- The user for some reason was not able to create a new account even after unblocking the IP address that was autoblocked, so as a temporary measure, I've unblocked the entire username. I've told the person who is using the account to leave a note on my talk page once everything is done, at which point I will permanently block the old account again. --HappyCamper 00:10, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
A:Sorry to bother you, I should have trusted your instincts. :) -- Cat chi? 00:45, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh, not to worry - anytime. You can feel free to question anything I do. I'm really glad to know that others are paying attention. Makes me feel less alone around here at least! :-) --HappyCamper 00:47, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Such stuff is quite easy to manage on #wikipedia-en-vandalism :) -- Cat chi? 00:50, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


I know that new commers need to earn trust, so they might not do things, like you said. Thank you for your help. --Auburnfan4 00:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)Auburnfan4

edit comments

please try to use edit comments. you are editing pages i watch, and it's a pain to go and have to see each change. edit summaries help me spend less time going over my watchlist. aa v ^ 05:47, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Which page are we talking about? I generaly make edits that wont fit the edit summary or edits that are minor enough to not warrant edit summaries. I generaly use the talk page if I need to explain myself which generaly is unnecesary as I am not a problematic user. In truth I am lazy so if you tell me the spesific article I'll be more carefull on that one. -- Cat chi? 00:32, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I am talking about all of them. I watch well over a thousand pages, manually. Regarding small changes, even when I change 'taht' to 'that' and submit the edit, I use the edit comment "typo." I once changed a whole slew of pages from "2th" to "2nd", and used the edit comment "2th -> 2nd", and left the edit "minor." It isn't hard to add edit comments, and it is generally viewed as responsible and important. aa v ^ 17:23, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, I watch over all articles on wikipedia via my bot. I am generaly lazy and often forget edit summaries. It is something I am yet to get used to. :) -- Cat chi? 17:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Edit of Kikuko Inoue

I'd appreciate if you'd abide by the request at the top of that page: don't edit it while I'm doing so. I've reverted your edits.--nihon 23:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Why can't we co-exist. Why can I never edit with people. Anyways check the diff and make the corrections yourself then. Inoue-san has one and only one daughter. -- Cat chi? 00:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't have any problem coexisting with you. The only problem I have is when people make edits to pages when I'm in the middle of doing a major edit. That's why I used the {{inuse}} tag. Why do you feel the need to go against my request not to edit the page while I'm working on it? That's hardly the sign of someone wanting to coexist. --nihon 00:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I am not going to argue or respond to that, just don't make a similar remark to anyone else as they would eat you alive on wikipedia. I am, to say the very least, displeased with your response. -- Cat chi? 00:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't have anyone else besides you editing a page marked {{inuse}}. It's marked that way on purpose. If you don't like it when someone gets upset with you because you're ignoring the polite and reasonable requests of another editor, then it's your problem, not mine. At the very least, you should have posted asking if it was okay to make an edit since it was marked {{inuse}}. --nihon 20:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
The thing you are trying to do is not an easy task. I never dared to attemt to do it myself, however I am not happy the way you treat my obviously productive edits. I did not edit anything on the lists, I could have as obviously the OVA and Movie sections are yet to be written. I am trying very hard not to give you a hard time, so please show the same courtesy.
The procedure is that you write articles on your userpage and copy to article space after. I have no reason to ask/require that as I have no intention of giving you a hard time. Last thing you want to do is give a fellow otaku a hard time.
You may want to take a look at List of Oh My Goddess episodes. I wrote most of that featured list and I want this one to be a featured list as well. I can apply a similar style once you are done. The hard part of course is gathering the data. -- Cat chi? 20:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


There is a person or two who wants to move this page elsewhere or perhaps try to get it deleted if they fail this. Thought youd want to know and perhaps voice an opinion. -- Cat chi? 00:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmm..I thought that discussion was already over. I'll check it out. Thanks. (^_^) --nihon 20:09, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Yea I thought so too... -- Cat chi? 20:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Article is undergoing major edits by parties trying to delete it. They are removing lots of sections and even claiming Rice University is an unotable source. -- Cat chi? 20:47, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

hey, care to contribute here? :) -- Cat chi? 21:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I would love to but due to the AFD, i will have to decline. Besides, i don't know what i can give to the article. -Dynamo_ace Talk
AFD will most certainly fail. I am not sure what you can do but you may find information regarding the Kawaii cult. -- Cat chi? 02:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Actualy there were two other images that were recently removed. Feel free to contribute to the article. :) -- Cat chi? 21:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry the removsl of AFD notice was unintentional. -- Cat chi? 02:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
No probs. For the record: I'm not for deletion of the page, although I don't agree with the loanword statement (I don't even know who Gwen wossnim is) and do not want to get into the middle of a revert war if I can help it. Shiroi Hane 02:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
I am at least not suggesting it is a load word, I am merely suggesting it may (not will or is) turn out to be one as more and more people seem to be using it. That should be perfectly fine with NPOV right? -- Cat chi? 04:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, it started as a young women movement, then spreaded practicaly everywhere else... Random "criticism" w/o citation can go (as you removed) :) -- Cat chi? 12:18, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I know several (definitely) non-female, and (debatedly) non-young guys at work with things on the desks or stuck to their keitai which would be a laughingstock in other places. I think I mentioned the HelloKitty trucks in another post. There's just a pervasive "kawaii" attitude in Japan. Looking around my den at the various junk, er, cultural icons I've accumulated, I guess I'm a victim of the cuteness, like everyone else.  :) I think I disagree with pretty much everybody on the talk page, if that's possible. The ones who want to kill the article don't want to acknowledge the cultural aspects of Kawaii, just because there is no officially named cultural aspect. The other side seems to want to throw the label around onto things which are Kawaii by association, like "Kawaii style".
Personally, I think the article can be refashioned with a leading sentence like "Kawaii is a term used in manga/anime circles, to encompass a broad area of Cuteness related to Japanese art and culture". Continue from that with a description of the Japanese adjective, and some varied examples of Kawaii (not just anime cels, but grown men with Anpanman cell phone straps, or my Tom & Jerry bankbook, etc). Maybe it's unfortunate that the anime subculture looked at "cute" anime, and decided to adorn the genre with Kawaii just because the word and the anime were both Japanese. As someone pointed out, there is no "Kawaii Manga" section at a Japanese bookstore. But, that's the term that you're stuck with. I also wonder about Kodomo, Seinen, and some other wikipedia entries which are standalone Japanese words that describe manga genres. This same battle may erupt there, as well. Neier 13:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh I am not disputing Kawaii is in every office of all ages and gender. It just started as a young girl movement according to few articles I read (historic background). Arent we all victims of cuteness... Kawaii in anime/manga (main industry by far) should be in article, all we have is three images from anime atm. Is there any anime/manga NOT kawaii? I do not believe so as it wouldn't sell. Tom and Jerry would be a fine example of Kawaii in other cultures.
Kawaii style is broad and goes without saying it is suggesting something like "fiction style". It is something goes without saying and taken for granted in Japan and perhaps by anime/manga fans outside japan as well but for a stranger it is most certaily a cultural insight. Antropology isn't easy to write about.
The talk page debate currently is how to shorten the article, frankly I have never seen any wikipedia editor who tries to delete the article, fails, and basicaly blanks the article by "removing pov" even if the pov is cited.
-- Cat chi? 13:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

No problem

Thanks for the read. John Smith's 17:57, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kawaii

Thanks for mentioning this to me when we chatted. I agree that we shouldn't mess with good articles like this--and there is a huge keep consensus. --Tony Sidaway 04:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I was going to tell that on IRC but got distracted, and you were gone when I returned. The current problem is people who tried to get the article deleted are now trying to do the same via manual delete (aka removing everything they see fit such as the fashion section). He says he is "prepared for the onslaught of neologist Japancrufters" which I find somewhat insultive (although am not loosing sleep over it). Hence, I think there is a problematic situation. -- Cat chi? 05:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely. More and more nominators are failing to piece together the true purpose of an deletion discussion, and should only be executed when the person has an hold on the source material. -ZeroTalk 05:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh this isnt deletionism at its best grasshopper, I dealt with more extreme cases. :) -- Cat chi? 05:42, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


Ok, thanks for the heads up. I have been gone for awhile, but I have managed to write up the Anti VAndalism Proposal. User:Activision45/proposal

Tell me what I should add, take away. Or what I should do next. Im not to talented at wikipedia still. So if your willing to help me, I would very much appreciate it. If your too busy to help me, then tell me, I understand. :)


--Activision45 04:42, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I just recieved surgery and will be able to assist you in a few days... -- Cat chi? 16:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Sugery for dabbling with what I specially told him not to. -ZeroTalk 16:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello from Philipo Image:Philpo.jpg 17:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I just love what you've done with the place. The new carpet is to die for! Anyways, toodles poops. - San Philipo

Formal notice of Breach of arbitration remedy

Your edit in this diff shows that you have breached the arbitration decision by restructuring a talk page (remedy 4, "Coolcat prohibited from restructuring"). I've asked the person reporting this to notify the breach on WP:AN/I where action may be taken, including a block. If you persist, you will certainly be blocked, possibly by me. If things get out of hand I will completely ban you from editing the article and its talk page.

Please reconsider your obstructive and hostile approach toward others in the discussion on this page. I am patient, but I won't suffer any nonsense. --Tony Sidaway 19:03, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... Mkay... The "hostile approach" is a product of their approach visible on: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kawaii. Their idea of article writing is unnaceptable. The even dispute legitness of sources such as this. So far they have only been dicks... I am prepared to work with people who are not prepared for the onslaught of neologist Japancrufters. -- Cat chi? 16:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat, when you delete a consensus poll reflecting a 7-0 supermajority just because you disagree with it, and the supermajority includes people who you invited to the debate, you are not showing good faith or demonstrating that Wikipedia principles come first. Yes, there has been a bit of give and take, some very different perspectives, and some frank words, but at every step including the AfD everyone has respected consensus. As a result, the article has gotten larger, having gained more content, more sources, a greater variety of images, and it is growing more polished. If you are editing in good faith and you fully understand what consensus means, then you should be happy about the improvements to the article. I'm sorry for our differences, I wish you a speedy recovery, and I hope it will become clear to you that positive things have come from this dispute even though we took a bumpy scenic route to get there. Cheers. The Crow 22:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


Im so sorry to hear that! I hope you feel better! :)

--Activision45 21:35, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


She actually verifies things through bad sources and is selective and has managed to high jack several articles with POV and untrue information. She also tries to portray Kurdistan as a Country and is re-invesnting Kurdish history.

Here and her group disgard are relavant info in the discussion page and basically say it is a democratic vote each time to someone with scholarly information. There are editing wars and she has clearly showed she is very biased and a fabricater of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

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The image is the logo of Turkish Armed Forces. I have added the official website and image is visible :) -- Cat chi? 15:06, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Edition of Zaza People

Merhaba Cool Cat, en:Zaza people sayfasini kontrol edebilir misin? Bazi kisiler kaynak gostermeden makaleyi keyiflerine gore degistiriyor. Senin koydugun uyariyi da silmisler. --Daraheni 20:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:Oh My Goddess Extlink

Please discuss at Talk:Oh My Goddess!. - Brian Kendig 20:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I've attempted an comprimise in this matter, as Brian rears an valid point. I agree that the external links as an whole are very useful, but the removal of a few could be warrented. I'd like your thoughts on this. Hopefully, we can all come to an agreement on this matter, as this situation and the current remedy seems very sensible. -ZeroTalk 21:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
That sounds doable. And Brian seems to sit well with the idea, so I shall go and trim down the template somewhat. If you feel my judgement after doing so was in error, please feel free to revert and we can all return to the drawing board. Don't hesitate to pay an visit to my talkpage. -ZeroTalk 22:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what idea you're saying I "sit well with". What I would like to see is: (1) list the official site and no more than one fan site on Oh My Goddess!, Oh My Goddess! (manga), Oh My Goddess! (OVA), and other high-level articles; (2) remove all official site and fan site listings from articles about individual characters or episodes (unless you have a link to a page specifically about that character or episode); (3) remove the template, since any links which would have to be changed often enough to require a template are most definitely not the sorts of links which belong in Wikipedia. As this is an issue which is not limited to the three of us, please continue to discuss this at Talk:Oh My Goddess! rather than copying the discussion to user pages. - Brian Kendig 22:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

What I'd like to see:
  1. I hope you will also make comprimises as one fan site is not enough, how about 2,3 ?
  2. Individual articles and characters used to appear on the official fansite. The official fan site is currently being redone and links are changing. I intend to do what you request by aprilmay (as season two should air by then and the website would be completed)
  3. Template makes it easier for me to apply same links on similar pages. It is a static template, you can use templates like that. {{NPOV}} is a static template for example ;)
There is room for improvement, I am more than wiling to cooperate if you are willig to assist, but meanwhile please withdraw the deletion request. I do not need the stress of deletion, we can achieve what you seek (or maybe something better) through cooperation.
I have been mostly lonely on articles relating to Oh My Goddess! and would apriciate any help.
-- Cat chi? 23:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Douchebag Award

, 2000

For outstanding failure The preceding unsigned comment was added by Erwin Walsh (talk • contribs) .

Thanks, but please sign your comments in the future. -- Cat chi? 15:21, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


Thank you! -- Cat chi? 17:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

No problem! I'm on a wikibreak of sorts ... ha!
I've also started to tweak the intros and content for the various articles, starting (for now) with the various admiral articles. I've also been adding real-world links and (what I think) are relevant See also links/sxns to each of them; I got into a bit of a pissing match regarding Fleet Admiral (Star Trek) and may yet revise it, but my work isn't done. :)
In any event, thanks for your hard work on giving these rank articles the treatments and structure they deserve. (As well, I hope your surgery was trouble free.) Hailing freqencies open whenever you need 'em, but closed for now. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 17:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Surgery went ok (I am not dead so thats good :P).
There is more room for improvement, I encourage you to stick around.
-- Cat chi? 17:59, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Cool Cat template

I need your assistance. I'm currently attemptig to revise Template:Oh My Goddess Extlnk similar to Template:Imdb name, in that we can swith out varible sspecific URL's for each character, but I cannot seem to achieve this. Perhaps you can help. -ZeroTalk 18:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

The template's respective talkpage also may fill you in, if you're confused as to what I'm trying to do. :) -ZeroTalk 19:32, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Another award

REDVERS awards this Barnstar to Cool Cat for being a cool cat when under fire.
I see someone above gave you an "award". Here's another one, expressing what the majority think! ➨ REDVERS 18:59, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Domo arigato! :) -- Cat chi? 19:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Idea for Wikicity

I have an idea for a Wikicity called Fanficpedia (An alternative title could be Fandompedia)

The idea is this, why don't we have a wikipedia style enclopeida for fandom. It would contian articles on fanfic series, charathers, and general fandom terms and sites. For example, there could be article on my Morpan fanfic series, complete with seperate articles for its charathers. It will all be non-baised.

The reason behind such a project is that only the most popular and well known fandom articles are allowed on Wikipedia. To prevent having minor fandom based articles from poping up on Wikipedia only to have them being removed due to them being "vanity" pages (which happened before with Wookiepedia, and eventally lead to the creation of such a wikicity to give such articles its place)

So, what do you think, does such a project need to exist? If you have questions, let me know. If you like it and can think you can help create a statment to submit to wikicites, let me know as well. There is also a test area where you can show off some examples, so if you need me to show some examples off, i can create some. -Dynamo_ace Talk

Actualy such projects exist such as memory-alpha for star trek. However I really like to stick to cannon. :) -- Cat chi? 14:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

OK, i understand you pefer cannon to alternative work, but how about a genreal fandom repostrioy for all those fandom users to submit unbaised enclopedia articles of their work, all in one place for refrence? Because only the best fandom related material gets on Wikipedia and i don't think anyone would like a repeat purge of "vainty like" artices because of it. -Dynamo_ace Talk

Oh they do that regardless (such as the nonsense I observed on Kawaii). I do not mind you starting such a wiki. I however perhaps wont be involved :P -- Cat chi? 15:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

OK, but i might not be able to do a statment for wikicities propley, can you help out with that?

I don't mind if you don't -Dynamo_ace Talk

I really dont know, I want to help but I dont know how, try asking to User:Sannse. She is wikicities staff after all... :) -- Cat chi? 21:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Winged logo.gif

Hi again, I finally got around to editing the winged logo. I went ahead and did it in the .gif format (no anti-aliasing, but a .png version is also available) and uploaded it over the old one on commons. I hope you like it, but if you don't, I'm open to suggestions, or feel free to revert it. — TheKMantalk 23:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I kinda like it. Can you make it more like Image:Goddess Relief Office.gif? Notice the cenral ring and how much smaller the bulls eye is. Also the color of the rings should be darker, to a more golden color... If posible can you adjust it like that? :)
-- Cat chi? 14:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Sure, I could do that. Also, do you want a wing style more like Image:Goddess Relief Office.gif, or is it fine as is? — TheKMantalk 14:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
More like it but I prefer pure white wings :) -- Cat chi? 16:39, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


Hello! Regarding the {{Wdefcon}} template and the suggestions from the recent TfD that it should be shrunk... I have posted my solution suggestion on it's talk page. Since you are technically the "owner" of the template, I'd be happy with your opinion on this matter. Thank you. Misza13 (Talk) 20:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Iranian peoples

Merhaba, There is a dispute ongoing in the article Iranian peoples. Some Pan-Iranist users are changing the defintion of Iranian peoples (an unknown and not widely used term) from its linguistic meaning to linguistic, cultural and racial issues. According to their wrong defintion many people are labelled as Iranian, including parts of Turkish population. If you have time and are interested in the issue I ask you to join the discussion. Thank you very much. Diyako Talk + 22:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Sure I'll work on it however I am not sure what exactly the dispute is. -- Cat chi? 22:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply,

Since long ago there was a dispute on this article, the first time I saw it shoked, never heard of such a strange definition, everytime I asked for sources they rejected, so that i became suspecious, and after a while realized that the article is original research!

I suggested merging or redirecting it with page Iranian languages or demographics of Iran. The term Iranian peoples by itself in 99,9999% or almost 100% is used for people who live inside Iran not those who live outside Iran.

  • The term Iranian peoples is not a widely used an accepted term, so that i once even nominated it for redirection or deletion.
  • The relation among speakers of Iranian languages in most cases is only a simple linguistic classification. they are more different than any other existing group which speak a language family.
  • Most of them are not decendant from ancient iranians, even persians by themselves are not pure Arian.
  • Also Aryan is not exactly as ancient Iranians. ancient Iranians were only parts of Aryan.
  • Speakers of iranian languages culturally are totally different from ancient Iranian peoples.
  • Speakers of iranian languages speak different languages and have different cultures.
  • Their only argument is some weak personal POVs and not supported by verifiable sources except some weak pro-Iranian references which even directly do not discuss the matter.

Thank you again. Diyako Talk + 23:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello Cool Cat, I just became aware that you are trying to follow the discussion. I would like to point out a few things. First, I quote one of the posts here:
The word Iranian people has been used in many academic sources. The article is well cited. Here is also another example of such usage : in brittanica: [16], in scientific literatures:[17], news: (ethnic Iranians) [18][19][20] United nation’s definition for Lor as ethnic Iranian: [21]
Other sources, which are scholarly papers hosted by a University of London institute, can be found at These also include the classification (as common in scientific literature) of Kurds and Azeris as parts of Iranian peoples.
The whole discussion started due to a dispute at the Kurdish people talk page, on which a few editors tried to remove all notions of relations among Kurds and Iranians. As this contradicted evidence (part of which is presented above), they moved on to remove the Iranian peoples article from wikipedia because it had become important in the discussion and was constantly referred to. The term Iranian people can be traced back to Biblical times, and appears, among other things, as early as 2500 years ago in writings of the Achamenid era. That this is a well-established academic term, well defined (not only in terms of language: As Richard Frye puts it: Iranians are defined by their culture and religion, not just languages. [22]), is out of the question according to the above and many other sources.
I also have to point out that this has nothing to do with pan-Iranism, of which I personally am an outspoken opponent.
Thank you for your time. Shervink 16:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)shervink

The AMG template

What do you intend for the completed template to be? If you want it to be static links to fansite home pages, then that's not appropriate, and I still feel the template should be removed. If you want it to be page-specific links from specific articles to individual pages on fan sites, then that's what Zero and I are discussing on Talk:Oh My Goddess! - please join in our discussion there. If you want it to be something else, please explain. - Brian Kendig 23:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

If you browsed the official website you will see that page names ae stuff like foo/ However I want to create the dynamic template once the official website character section is complete. I want to use a central dynamic template for that reason.
Since you are good with bots can you please subst the ==External Links== header to individual articles. the that way more links can be added while the standard (official site etc) also appear.
Same sites cover AMG material and currently its two links deep for any character. :)
I hope this makes some sense... -- Cat chi? 23:35, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you're covering some ground that Zero and I already discussed - let's take this to Talk:Oh My Goddess!. I'll post a comment there shortly to explain. - Brian Kendig 00:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Award from Dynamo_ace

Surreal Barnstar.png The Surreal Barnstar
For making improvements to the Oh!My Goddess! external links template when it was about to be for the chop, I award you The Surreal Barnstar for that extraordnary touch. Dynamo_ace 17:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Dynamo_ace Talk

Thank you! -- Cat chi? 20:52, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


More anti-Iranian attacks

Al-Khwarizmi this article is being reverted without any dispute actually discussed in the talk page, there is clear evidence that this guy was born in Persia at the time, and by many sources he is a Persian. Instead, Anti-Iranians and Pro-Islam and whatnot editors are trying to change this identity to 'Muslim', just because Arabs ruled Persia at the time, but he was infact not even a Muslim! his religion was Zoroastrianism, all these have been discussed in the talk page, instead of accepting or rejecting this, edit wars are taking place, on both this and other articles mentioned in User_talk:ManiF#Iranian_watchdog.. things are starting to get out of hand. I'd appreciate if you could keep an eye out or do something about it. --Kash 14:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I would like to invite you to view and comment on this mediation: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-03-02 Persian people if this dispute is sorted out, we can finally get on with our lives! Thank you, it is greatly appreciated --Kash 15:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


Hi Cool Cat, I saw you deleted the references to Kurds on Batman,_Turkey. I'm not very knowledgable on the subject, but according to the BBC [23] Batman does have a predominantly Kurdish population. I think that should be mentioned somehow in the article.--Hippalus 16:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I see. Ill do something about it. -- Cat chi? 17:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Better? [24] ? -- Cat chi? 17:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Better, but still a bit strange as the previous sentence does tell us about a census... So I changed it again [25]. what do you think?--Hippalus 17:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh I see. Much better, thanks. -- Cat chi? 17:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kurdistan and User:Muhamed

Is this really ok? He tags articles at random with the category. See the category (although I recently removed turkish provinces) it is still over loaded with stuff not remotely relevant to kurdistan such as a restourant in germany. -- Cat chi? 17:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

This is clearly unreasonable (although I couldn't find references to the restaurant). I don't know quite what we can do about this. The consensus clearly is to keep the category (if I remember correctly from the CfD), but we are still without a concrete definition of what it should include. Perhaps we could devise some kind of list on the talk page of appropriate entries? - FrancisTyers 18:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Let me input what I think about Kurdistan and how it should appear on wikipedia
  1. Firstly Kurdistan (land of the kurds/lands kurds own) is a proposed country with undefined/changing borders and hence is inaproporate.
  2. I would prefer a category someting like "Category:Kurdish inhabited regions".
  3. I really feel if we are going to have a kurdistan category at all, its borders should have some official definition otherwise we will have more User:Muhamed cases.
    • There is a kurdistan in Iraq (it technicaly does not exist yet as the consitiution of iraq needs ratification)
    • There is a politicaly unrelated one in Iran.
      • These two should be treated in two diferent categories as they are two different entities.
    • Wikipedia articles claim there is a kurdistan in Turkey (Turkish Kurdistan) as well as Syria (Syrian Kurdistan)
      • This is just someones pov even if it is sourced, local governments have millitary and political control and do not recognise a kurdistan.
  4. We had a {{Kurdistan}} and a similar template is {{France}}. I have recently moved it to {{Kurds}}. Kurdistan was treated like a country before I interfered.
  5. We even have {{Kurdistan-stub}} (has the kurdish flag just like {{France-stub}}). Kurdistan is treated like a country yet again.
  6. If kurdistan is a geo cultural region its articles should only talk about kurdish culture.
    • There is little to no mention of kurdish culture on current articles in the kurdistan serries.
    • Mostly articles only contain repeative information copy pasted from wikipedia articles regarding how much kurds are opressed. And articles mostly/only talk about how much kurds are opressed (weather they are opressed or not is not ours to decide)
    • Articles also contain information on unsuccesfull kurdish rebelions (and portrays these as nations).
So what do you think of my points? -- Cat chi? 19:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Turkce Wikipedia

Tekrar merhaba Cool Cat, Turkce Wikipedia'da tr:Zazaca ve tr:Zazalar makaleleri edit edilememektedir. Buna bu konuda yardimci olabilir misin? Cunku anladigim kadari ile belli bir siyasi grup, Zazalar ile ilgili kaynak gostermeden kendi siyasal goruslerini yazmislar ve aciklama gostermeden makaleyi kilitlemisler. Zaten hic aciklama yapilmadan kilitlenmesi ve kaynak gosterilmeden yazi yazilmasi Wikipedia kurallarina aykiri. Saglicakla kal. --Daraheni 06:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Hic aciklama yapilmadan kilitlenmesi ve kaynak gosterilmeden yazi yazilmasi wikipedianin kulturune aykiri, ama bazen gerekli olabiliyor. Kotu niyetle kitlendigine inanmiyorum. Tr.wikipedia'nin kurrallarini tr.wikipedia belirler.
Sayfa kitlemek en.wikipedia'da vandalism veya revert war ile ugrasmak icin kullanilir. Tr.wikipedia nin kuralarini tam bilmiyorum ama buna benzer bir nedenden dolayi olabilir. Tr.wikipedia bu tur makalelere semiprotect gibi bir sey uygulasa daha iyi olabilir.
Sayfanin kopyasini kullanici alanina alip, gelistirip, bir admine soylemeyi denedin mi? Kitli sayfalar boyle gelistirilebilir.
-- Cat chi? 12:01, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

the bot

ok fair enough, i suppose its not really a big thing but i do prefer pgkbot providing just the differnce link because with the double link yours posts every time it can make my screen harder to follow simply because i may have to scroll back further. i also like pgkbots greylist although i realise we can switch that on without the need to turn everything on. (i know it operates on chanel 2 but theres just no conversation there) Benon 23:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Errr... Thats a feature, one is the dif link one is the revert link. I have improved the blacklist/greylist function of my bot now although I havent applied the code (I want to test it for a change). I also like pgkbots greylist :P -- Cat chi? 22:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Kurdistan category

What do you think of removing this category? Here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kash (talkcontribs)

I would also like to invite you to comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Syrian Kurdistan and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Kurdistan --Kash 18:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Today somehow Syrian Kurdistan was changed to a redirect..? Why not all of them? --Kash 23:32, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

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Thank you for your support in my request for adminship. I'm delighted that the RfA succeeded with a final consensus of 52/17/7, and receiving comments including having 'excellent potential to become a great moderator', and I am now an administrator. It did however only just pass, and I shall do my very best to rectify any of my errors, including the general belief that I should do more article work. If you have any concerns, or if you ever feel that I may be able to help you, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Again, thank you!

Ian13/talk 19:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


Care to tag along on #wikipedia-en-vandalism on freenode? :) -- Cat chi? 21:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah but I'm not registered yet. I'll register and then request queue. Thanks --a.n.o.n.y.m t 21:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
O_o; it takes 5 secs to register! We want good vandal fighters like you there. Besides we have a filtered RC feed as well. Its not just for the chat. -- Cat chi? 21:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Do I just go onto the CVU request on Irc and register? --a.n.o.n.y.m t 21:56, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Register first. Join the request channel and the topic directs you to a wiki page. Vandals are watching now and may try to imposter you. :) -- Cat chi? 22:30, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Got it. On there now. Thanks --a.n.o.n.y.m t 22:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

Just came across your comments regarding the deletion of "Genetic origins of the Kurds" and it's refreshing that someone else can also clearly see that this obsession with race and genetics is nothing but old school racism draped in scientific jargon. I thought I was the only one around here who was disturbed by this bizarre attitude. Humans are not animals, and yet this sick and narrow worldview that the Nazis and other genocidal maniacs subscribed to still persists in this day and age - only now it's acceptable since the scientific community is so accepting of it. These are the sort of people who love to discuss "mixing" and "interbreeding" on and on (again, treating humans as animals - and if they're non-European, all the better). But wait, didn't the Nazis rant and rave the very same way?

Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your comments and it's good to see another truly human being here on WP. SouthernComfort 07:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Growing tired of User:Diyako and User:Heja helweda

I am growing tired of this kind of edit behaviour and am considering arbitration. What do you think? I do not believe we (you/me/others) need to clean up this kind of mess as wikipedians should have the learning curve to at least attempt writing neutraly... -- Cat chi? 04:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

The edits are annoying because of the copyvio element. But I'm not sure how many times they've done this in the past, I suppose if you could show a pattern of this kind of editing you'd have a case for an RfAr and I'd probably be neutral. It's kind of annoying possibly having your work removed because some guys not bothered to check copyright status! - FrancisTyers 09:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, many of the stubs they create are copy paste from other sites. These are bio stubs of supposivley notable people often whose only notability is being kurdish or so the site claims.
My other concern is pov editing. Portraying UK air force evil and comparing it to saddam husein is bad taste and is certainly not what we are trying to do here on wikipedia.
I am annoyed by their behaviour as an observer, you are dealing with it first hand... I admire your hard work to say the least.
I'll copyscape their contributions but since they are mostly bare stubs this will be tedious work... Least I can do for you. :) -- Cat chi? 09:59, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Rather than an RfAr, it might be worth doing an RfC first - I'd certainly come in on your side then. Have you tried to talk to them about this (the copyvio issue) already? - FrancisTyers 14:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I personaly believe rfcs are pointless, but because yu ask I will do that. I have not talked to mohamed guy about copyright vilations because he doesnt know english, my communcations with him ended rather insultive (on his part). -- Cat chi? 15:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Cool Cat "What are you looking at?"

I've noticed the insertion of your faied rfa's recently. Are you okay..? I know you're dissapointed, but keep your head up. I'm sure things will turn around eventually. -ZeroTalk 16:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Heh, I asked jimbo what he thinks. I am going to pursue this, kinda. I'll determine if I should seek adminship based on jimbos comments. -- Cat chi? 19:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I hope your appeal for your rfa preregisites goes through as well. I also would like to see you find the answers you are looking for, and always, I'm glad to have you as an fellow wikipedian. Please don't think lower of yourself just because you lack administrator status. You're still an excellent contributor and an valid part of the project. -ZeroTalk 20:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for your assistance in the rationale that gotten rid of this stub cat.

I was wondering if you could assist me on several articles related to kurds. I'll summarise the general picture.

There are several rebelions portrayed as independent (and failed) nations. At least one of these "nations" lasted only 2 months... An example is kingdom of Kurdistan. There are lots of problematic edits such as this one: [26]

Category:Kurdistan is being used to tag random provinces. Basicaly people are drawing the borders of kurdistan using categories. Also existing sub categories appear to be useless. Three of the five sub categories have virtualy a handfull (less than 5) articles

Articles like Turkish Kurdistan and Syrian Kurdistan are highly problematic. If you look at the articles youll see kurdistan is not treated like a geographic region or like a cultural region but for info regarding an independence movement and/or how much kurds are opressed and why they should have a nation of their own.

I have pov on the matter thats why I need objective input.

Thanks -- Cat chi? 09:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat - to be honest I probably don't know enough about the situation there to feel comfortable trying to sort those articles out - I'd probably go blundering in and treading on toes all over the place. It would definitely be worthwhile listing the problems on WP:AN - there are likely to be admins who know enough about Kurdistan that they'd be able to deal with the situation far better than I can. I just know that - like Macedonia - the nature of the name depends very much on who you are talking to. Grutness...wha? 23:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I understand, but as a sanity check I'd like to know what you think on the following points:
  • Macedonia is an existing country, kurdistan is not. The borders are determined by who you are talking to.
  • The parties in discussion say Kurdistan is just a geographic region (it is the only geographic region with an ethnicity present in its name I think). However articles talk about the regions economy, history, displays a flag, failed independence attempts... Topic is completely restricted to kurds.
  • I dont mind an article talking about kurds. We have Kurdish people for that. I am not certain whats approporate for Kurdistan. Take a look at the not so contraversial Scandinavia and compare it with Kurdistan.
  • Acording to people writing the article kurdistan is divided to 4 parts. I don't think they are explaining a geographic region.
  • Turkish Kurdistan
    • Turkey does not recognise such a thing
    • kurds do not even have a defacto goverment
    • this article is complete pov, even sourced since it doesnt exist
  • Syrian Kurdistan
    • Syria does not recognise such a thing
    • kurds do not even have a defacto goverment
    • this article is complete pov, even sourced since it doesnt exist
  • Iranian Kurdistan
    • I dont know much but I am sure the iranian goverment didn't hand over political control
    • article does not talk about a federal structure either
  • Iraqi Kurdistan
    • Kurdish Autonomous Region is been turned into a state as Iraq is now a 3 state federal nation now. However this hasnt been ratified hence this is just a proposal
    • There was a defacto goverment in the region since the first gulf war
    • such a thing should have a seperate article as being an iraqi state, not as part of being kurdistan and not being restricted to kurds.
-- Cat chi? 18:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I'd definitely agree on the first part - Kurdistan and Macedonia are different from that viewpoint, although they do have similaritties in that Iraq has named an area as Kurdistan, yet many people claim that the "real" Kurdistan also overlaps into neighbouring countries, each of which are understandably not in favour of that situation. As far as the second point is concerned, there does seem to be a definite concatenation of talking about Kurdistan as a geographical entity and as a people (as such the only real comparison I can think of is Israel, but that opens another can of worms). I'm uneasy with the four articles you list in the last part - since these regional names do not exist (with the exception of the Iraqi state), I would question their worth as articles. I would have no objection, say, to Kurdish people in Turkey, but the title Turkish Kurdistan strikes me as POV. The Kurdistan article is the one which I really have too little expertise to comment on. As an ill-defined region, it seems to be a logical hing to talk about, and certainly the term Kurdistan is used frequently enough to warrant an article. But it easily creeps into greyer areas. Grutness...wha? 01:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank You

Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for your reasonable analysis, and hard work.Zmmz 17:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Pasha

A lot of Turkish-related articles' copyright, such as Politics of Turkey, Culture of Turkey and Communications in Turkey, are being challenged by a certain user. You may want to look into this, the articles could be deleted. --ManiF 17:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorted the mess, several sections were coppied (either from wikipeida or to wikipedia). ON one occasion (communications of turkey) the data was from cia world factbook, a PD source. This guy is getting on my nerves, I will sort him out soon. -- Cat chi? 19:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
He's been reported here, you can add your comments if you wish. --ManiF 22:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
ANB cant do anything about it. I am collecting evidence at User:Cool Cat/RfC March 2006, feel free to assist. -- Cat chi? 00:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I thought you might be interested in this.Endorse if you agree with the case. --ManiF 03:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


Hello Cool Cat. It's really a nice user page you have here - hope I manage to leave my message without leaving a mess. I noticed that you are doing an effort to removed references to Kurdishness in articles about Southeastern Turkey. I must say I tend to disagree with you, but my purpose for writing you here is not to embark on a long debate where we probably both in forehand know the arguments of the other.

You seem to be a well-experienced and serious Wikipedian. So my question is whether there has been taken any compregensive decisions for Wikipedia policy on offically non-recognized minorities - as the Kurds in Turkey. There are so many articles related to the area of Turkey, that some, including myself, refer to as Kurdistan, that I believe a comprehensive policy should be developed. Has there been such discussions? If not, where is the place to raise such a discussion? I believe it will be better to discuss and reach some overall agreement instead of continous edit wars on articles such as Batman, Hakkari etc. Bertilvidet 20:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Firstly, I am not against "kurdishness". I also do not remove referances to kurdishness.
  • As you might know Kurdistan is a proposed country. Refering to Hakkari and Batman belonging to a proposed county is problematic and a breach of NPOV.
    • Refering to provinces in soultheastern Turkey as "Kurdistan" is something done often by Kurdish nationalists who seek an independent kurdistan. Which is fine for them but would not be ok on wikipedia.
    • Kurdistan literaly means "land of the kurds" or "lands owned by kurds" or "lands belonging to kurds" and is factualy inacurate as the place is owned by Turkey.
    • This is like refering to Canada being the 51st US state. While many people may agree (especialy up north in the US) this would be bad practice as Canada is an independent nation.
  • Non-recognized minorities are treated like recognised majorities. They have their own articles such as Kurdish people or Kurdish culture. Only independent states (Such as Turkey and France) and defacto states (partialy) (such as Taiwan KKTC) are treated like nations.

My primary concern is Kurdistan being treated as a country. Recently there has been a movement to portray a non existant Kurdish state and I work against this.
My second concern is copyrights. A lot of pages refering to kurds is coppied from the web breaching copyrights of numerous people.
-- Cat chi? 22:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I am just warning you that I am considering reopening the arbitration cases

Just to let you know that I will request a harder sanction for what you did. Fad (ix) 00:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up. Feel free to as nothing is stoping you but I thought you were ignoring me.
What did I do by the way? I am rather busy writing my anti-vandal bot and we have a decent mess in korean wikipedia. Hence am making minimal wikipedia contribution.
-- Cat chi? 01:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Coolcat, you are hardly being convincing, I would have thought that you would try harder... I am giving you a last chance to come clean, I swear I will open an arbitration cases if you don't, and this time around the evidences won't manage you. Fad (ix) 01:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
??? You are confusing me.... -- Cat chi? 02:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I have warned you, let the arbitrators decide then. Fad (ix) 02:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
At least inform me the nature of the dispute.... -- Cat chi? 02:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Coolcat, you are so predictable, in a world where it isen't you, you would still have known it given that the dispute was just above your answer in my talk page and that the center of the dispute was around an article in which an alias appeared soon after you left. You have used this same innocent behavior in the past, but this time it won't work I am afraid, if I were you I would start documenting in the upcoming arbitration cases that I will submit in the upcoming days, to explain how come an innocent user who could barely write English(faking his English that is) would creat chronology tables by using your code paterns, coloring his tables exactly like you do, and the green crap on the right for cited ones, using the same expressions etc, and many other examples. Fad (ix) 02:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I do not pay attention to other peoples talk pages much unless I care about them. Tonikaku your attitude is quite annoying. For whatever the reason (I am not certain why) you are threatening me with arbitration.
Since you have predetermined what to do, nothing I say will matter. So go ahead with whatever you have in mind.
-- Cat chi? 03:03, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
About my "coding patterns", I am among the people who make a decent contribution to a variery of topics on some occasions "my coding patterns" have shaped structure of pages interwiki. It is perfectly normal for you to frequently observe "my conding patterns". For example User:Jimbo Wales and some subpages contain "my coding paterns".
-- Cat chi? 19:26, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I think he has some issues.

He has some issues beyond my edits. Personally, I do not have any desire to deal with him. I can easily work on another article. It is funny that he belives that he "owns" the article. He negates not on the information, but from his choice of words he takes it on an interestingly personal level. If he thinks you are on his side, all the edits o.k. or vice versa. I have added information that can be classified on both sides of the arguments. He began to flip out, when I moved from top of the page (agrees with his perspective) to bottom (disagrees his perspective). He even tried to (and did) change textbook information. Funny Guy.--Karabekir 22:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I personaly dont like his general conduct. He has crossed the fine line of sanity as far as I care. Please do not be discouraged by his conduct. Wikipedia:Ownership of articles is an official policy fadix will have to honor.
I have no idea whats going on the article all I know is someone (fadix) is threatening me out of the blue.
-- Cat chi? 01:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Coolcat, I pitty you for still trying to deny the obvious, I will be also trying to request a checkuser in Turkish wikipedia, I just hope for you that you tok the precautions to use an open proxy there too, I really hope for you. Fad (ix) 02:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... I do not see a constructive intent in this comment. Do you even know what an Open Proxy is? -- Cat chi? 21:37, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


I have been quite busy myself and have just now gotten a chance to log onto wikipedia. I am pretty clueless with this channel thing, which means maybe im not experienced enough to even lift this off the ground. Your thoughts?


—Preceding unsigned comment added by Activision45 (talkcontribs)

Hmmm.... Why not propose this on cvu talk. I alone dont matter :) -- Cat chi? 01:24, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Evidence page

Fadix said this on my talk page:

I have started my evidence page here and will be filling them in the upcomming days before opening an arbitration cases. User:Fadix/evidencepage

I think you should know about this. --Tony Sidaway 02:06, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Dōmo-arigatō, Sidaway-sensei.
To say the least he owes me an apology, but look what he is doing. I know I am not someone else and it should be pretty easy to prove it.
Anyways, my tables are used on many other language wikis as well as here on en. It is more popular than I care to check (Counter Vandalism Unit exists on German wiki for instance and this is small trivia I was told). His evidence is primarily based on karabekir as well as others using my tables.
I do not know if I should risk arbitration unnecesarily While I can build a strong case for his ownership of the article he is on as well as for incivility, I am not certain if it is worth to give people an excuse for people to oppose my rfas (no offense to anyone).
  • He did revert my spelling corrections in the past with the edit summary "POV Pushing" or something along the line.
  • He has made very few edits to other articles aside from Armenian Genocide, and those were often sister or related articles.
  • So I can build a very strong case.
How would you proceed?
-- Cat chi? 12:31, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Image tagging

Hi, I changed the licensing of the four images you cited to {{HistoricPhoto}}, a fair use claim which I believe is the most appropriate. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 17:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The thing is we cannot annonymously claim fair use. I am fine with a fair use claim if given which archive or book these images are orriginaly from. If they have been coppied illegaly (take a look at Talk:Armenian_Genocide/Archive_7#Photographs to see what I mean) from archives or websites they must be deleted.
For example: copyright notice suggests:
Think this scneraio: Images were coppied from to and to us. This would put wikipedia at a problematic situation. A fair use claim cannot apply.
-- Cat chi? 18:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Genetic origins of the Kurds

Hi Cool Cat, I appreciate your opinion on this article (and I appreciate that you're approaching me about it on my talk page), and to tell you the truth, I kind of agree with you about the article. However, the bar is set pretty high for consensus to delete an article, there needs to be roughly 80% consensus. This AfD has approximately 50% consensus to delete (give or take a few). As a vote closer, I have to say this is not enough of a consensus to delete the article. However, I applied a {{npov}} to the article to remove the POV from the article (ie, remove the racism). Since there's not enough consensus to delete the article, I suggest you try and work the article so it is more NPOV. If you have any other concerns, please let me know. --Deathphoenix ʕ 17:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


sorry, my chatzilla is corrupted. i think i can fix it due tomorrow, we can chat then tomorrow 19:00 at #wikipedia-de-vandalism.

greetz, de:User:HardDisk aka HardDisk_WP

Winged logo

I'm "sort of around", I'm away on spring break [=)] with my laptop, but I'm without Photoshop and Illustrator [=(]. I think I can git-r-done when I get back home Sunday. — TheKMantalk 22:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

OK Coolcat, lets say I am trying to assume good faith

Are you claiming that all those layouts that I was reffering to and that you have created are now widely used here in Wikipedia, not only in English Wikipedia but even Turkish? Is that what you are claiming? Fad (ix) 23:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thats exactly whats happening, you may also see my code on, You might be using a modified version of one of my designs on your userpage, who knows. Thats the beulty of contributing to a range of topics and templates
For instance try this: Check the history of English template (mind the date being sep 10 2005) and Turkish template (mind that its created by tr:User:Oytun Yalçın 25 february 2006). You will see that the English template was created long before the Turkish one. However I have modified the english one as well as turkish one recently so as to make the code more readable.
I also applied a similar code to {{Oh My Goddess}}, a japanese anime unrelated to Turkish Military. This may be coppied to Ja wiki over a matter of few months. This does not mean I have japanese socks but rather people like what I created.
The template design isn't uneque to me. See {{NATO}} for an example of a much more complicated template with a similar code.
-- Cat chi? 00:02, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply, now, this is my last question and I will not be bothering asking it again and will leave you alone with it. Are you Nafiz who contribute in Turkish Wikipedia? Fad (ix) 03:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
No, I am Bg:User:Cool Cat, De:User:Cool Cat, En:User:Cool Cat, Es:User:Cool Cat, Fr:User:Cool Cat, It:User:Cool Cat, Ja:User:Cool Cat, Nl:User:Cool Cat, No:User:Cool Cat, Pl:User:Cool Cat, Pt:User:Cool Cat, Ru:User:Cool Cat, Sv:User:Cool Cat, Th:User:Cool Cat, Tr:User:Cool Cat, Zh:User:Cool Cat. My other aliases are fairly easy to trace such as En:User:WOPR. I also have 59 Imposters (people posing as me) a list is avalible at User:Cool Cat/Impersonators
Feel free to inquire anything, I'll gladly answer to the best of my abilities.
-- Cat chi? 11:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Coolcat, it was my last question... it confirms what I thought. Nafiz wrote one of those layouts in October 2004, 4 months before you were even registered in English Wikipedia, in one of the other Turkish articles(which I can show you if you want), he programmed and tested the other layout and did not copied it directly. So either he invented them, either you invented them and you are him. Coolcat in Turkish Wikipedia never contributed in articles relating to the Kurds and Armenians while Nafiz contribute in the exact same articles. Then again, like I said, I won't ask you any further questions, those last points I wanted to make clear and wanted further answers. Regards. Fad (ix) 02:59, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

RE: WikiProject Anime and manga participantion

You are listed at a participant of WikiProject Anime and manga. A recent change in how participants are listed — using a category — will result in your inadvertent removal from the project. If you wish to continue your participantion, please check the the project page for details on how to add yourself back to the project. --TheFarix 00:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Why are participants threatened? Can't we focus on writing anime articles rather than forcing a structure on participants' userpage?
Also, what category? I dont see such a category on my userpage...
-- Cat chi? 09:37, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
There was some complaining about maintaining the participant list and if there was a way to automate it. I suggested using a category and before I knew it someone created and changed the userbox to include the new category. I would have preferred more discussion fist, but since the category has been it's been created, I'm just following through. The category listing participants is Category:WikiProject Anime and manga participants.
No one has any intention of kicking anyone else out of the project. However, not everybody uses the userbox on their userpage. So I thought it best to notify those individuals about the changes and how to add themselves back to the list. I figured that was better then editing their userpage, which may not go over well with them. --TheFarix (Talk) 12:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh I see. Why didnt you say that in the first place :) I am still in the game then ^_^' -- Cat chi? 20:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

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You should have been caught by the adminlist feature, I've manually added you in for now until I can figure out whats going on. -- Tawker 22:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Heh, I am no admin. :P -- Cat chi? 22:34, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


You may want to model my archive style as your talk page seems to be very active. :) -- Cat chi? 22:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, that might be a good idea, 5 archives in 2 months, its nuts :) -- Tawker 22:37, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Very well. See User talk:Cool Cat/Archive
  • My archives are sorted by month. All posts on march are stored on one page. I do not add all posts at once, but I add gradualy.
  • Notice the + next to archive link on top of my userpage. By clicking that I add to my archive.
The structure may look a bit complicated but it is really simple to use. I can import that structure here if you like. You would have two archives instead of 5 for two months. They would not directly apear on your talk page so as not to clutter. (over time some people have a page of archives listed on their talk page)
-- Cat chi? 22:44, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I redid my archive system similar but not a copyvio of yours :) - its a lot cleaner now, one per month so 12 a year. So much cleaner -- Tawker 07:30, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I have asked you to steal my style if you like. No copyright infrigments are involved. :P -- Cat chi? 11:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Your bandwidth costs

Just out of curiosity what were your bandwidth costs monthly to run the bot, I've had a grand total of under 100MB used by anything Wikipedia related including my anti vandal bot and my two IRC bots, keeping the bot up has been basically one cron process that does it for me, I would have thought writing the bot takes more work. Feel free to ignore this if you want but you have me curious, how bad is bandwidth in your area! -- Tawker 02:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll gladly answer. I used to have a 256Kbits/sec line, I had to upgrade to 512Kbits/sec in order to have my bot run efficently as my bot used to disconnect because of the lack of bandwith. I am currently paying 87.83YTL a month [28]. The current exchange rate is 1$ ~ 1.347YTL (Local curency) [29]. Hence I pay roughly $65.21/month.
-- Cat chi? 03:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
The bot I wrote had numerous bugs, I eventualy perfected it to its current form. For example a MSSQL server will use roughly 28 megs of ram just for the database (600+ lines) no matter how simple it is, God knows how much more for MySQL. My bots entier memory usage is 17megs. It takes constant effort to code such a thing. The original bot was no more than 10-20 lines. Its currently a 1000 line mirc script which if you ask anyone is a decent amout of code for mirc. The bot is also highly modular its not static 1000 lines.
It takes constant fixing to satisfy the needs of the masses. My bot does not just run on en. People often complain about simple stuff such as a missing colon. Or they ask for a new function. Fr.wikipedians asked for the tiny page function.
Also rarely the bot fails to ping timeout. I am not certain why this happens but I blame my pathetic ISP
-- Cat chi? 03:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Wow, thats a fair bit bigger than I thought it was. Bandwidth sure is a bit of a rip off, I pay $70 for a 10mbit fiber feed here. How many wiki's are you running bot services for! As for the bot pinging out, I'm doing it too and this is direct to a tier 1 backbone so I think its an network core issue. -- Tawker 04:34, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Yea but it takes my bot several hours to realise its not connected. Well it used to happen. My bot runs for 14 wikis, I intend to make it more. One thing I hate about the country I am in is the bandwidth and its costs... I kinda miss my 10mb line at MSU. -- Cat chi? 11:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

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No one knows who created the PKK's flag and/or logo. If any copyrighting exist at all (as organisation is "terrorist" and hence " illegal hence cant even press charges), PKK should own them. So I sourced and tagged image accordingly.
May I ask if you could shorten the warning mesage, I and many others know the procedure, really.
-- Cat chi? 11:38, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
The theory is that each user should only ever see the message once; as it says, "If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too.". After all, every image whose description you don't fix up is more work that you're making for other people. Stan 17:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but in reality I do not have a way to keep track of all images I uploaded. I wasn't in the know of the image tagging on my earlier days on wiki. You know how it goes...
If you have the time, can you please review every image I uploaded (as you are perhaps using a bot) and find the images I forgot to tag. There shouldn't be many.
-- Cat chi? 21:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
As the next sentence in the message's paragraph says, "You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box." In any case, I'm not going to bother posting any more notices to you, you've had plenty of warning now. And no, I'm not using a bot, I'm sinking hundreds of hours doing this manually - but Gmaxwell's slash-and-burn bots are looking better all the time, it would be a lot less work just to summarily delete all the incorrectly-handled images. Stan 03:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Tawkerbot2 and Whitelist

The whitelist currently employed by the CVU is now implemented in Tawkerbot2. If you're on that whitelist, then you shouldn't have any problems. :) joshbuddytalk 06:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I obviously am not. I know a whitelist existed in the original code because I wrote it. Anyways I am discussing with Tawker. -- Cat chi? 11:39, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Tawkerbot2 is an original creation. You didn't write it. It is not an IRC bot per se, but rather a vandalism detector. The IRC component (which I assume you had something to do with it) merely communicated with Tawkerbot2. joshbuddytalk 16:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
The bot relies on the IRC component to operate which I wrote. Without the irc component it wouldnt work at all. If I recall correctly tawkerbot on irc is a modified version of pgkbot which is a modified version of my code. Why the heck are you answering for Tawker, the person who modified the code? -- Cat chi? 16:31, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


Its not going to occur. Please review the process taken by Fadix and yourself. None of the qualms appealed have indicated an attempt at dispute resolution, and therefore, this rfar will be rejected. I've removed the bogus link. Please don't put it back. -ZeroTalk 20:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

You have no idea how many times I atemted to discuss thnsg with him. Please do not dictate my talk page. -- Cat chi? 20:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I was aware of lots of loose talk on WP:AN/I and I looked through your "discussion" extensively in diffs. Such accusations are not the way to resolve disputes. Do you want this rfar to happen..? -ZeroTalk 11:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


Hi, out of no choice, we too have set up an Rfc against user Aucaman Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Aucaman.Zmmz 05:16, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll be happy to provide any evidence I am gathering (I havent been tring to gather much so far). -- Cat chi? 03:00, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I forgot, you can always go here and endorse it, if you agree with it of course[30].Zmmz 03:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

commons:User talk:Cool Cat

ping! pfctdayelise (translate?) 07:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Star Trek Characters

What is the policy for {{Star Trek character}} in regards to rank? Some characters are promoted/demoted during the course of a series; is the most recent rank or highest rank listed? I think most recent probably makes the most sense. I was just wondering after seeing the articles on Miles O'Brien, Tom Paris, and Tuvok. — Ilyanep (Talk) 01:05, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

BTW, Wikimood -10?! Don't be stressed :( — Ilyanep (Talk) 01:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, Care to help? I am overwriting Template:ST character with Template:Star Trek character. I am displaying the most recent rank as in the latest rank the person appeared with or is cited to carry the rank (Hoshi Sato's rank is exceptionaly problematic).
I am extremely unhappy and think will stay that way until I regain control of #wikipedia-en-vandalism and make my bot to function again without interuptions or risk of interuptions due to "channel policy". Staring at the second monitor is enough to infuriate me.
-- Cat chi? 01:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
See [31] -- Cat chi? 01:31, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Greetings from the United Federation of Planets

Since you are already working with me on the transformation of Template:ST character -> Template:Star Trek character I was wondering if you could help me with these: [32] -- Cat chi? 19:49, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

As before, I'm glad to help; I'm on a wikibreak of sorts so I promise nothing ... and I still have to peruse the remaining rank articles!  ;)
My current efforts have focused on adding and copyediting details for recently converted articles (e.g. lower case; upper case for proper nouns only) and ranks for various characters: I believe it important that the infobox not merely exhibit their most recent rank, but other major ones depicted on screen (see Geordi La Forge for example) which visitors may be familiar with. This won't be an issue for some characters (e.g., Data, Picard).
As well, I tweaked the template earlier to account for postings. I'm including only those postings depicted on-screen ... take a glance at Riker (without prior postings). Perhaps we can reduce the font size within the infobox/template (80%) so that it will accommodate for all the detail more efficiently? Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 19:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Showing all ranks may be problematic with characters that promoted from ensign to captain or even admiral. Just talking about their promotions should be fine since we have an article that shows promotions: List of Starfleet officers. (article needs some work for insignia)
One problematic rank is of the rank of Hoshi Sato. She left starfleet with the rank Lutenant Commander though we do not have a verifiable insignia for that.
I can reduce the text size to 80%, no problem.
-- Cat chi? 20:11, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Great. I don't think including multiple (major) ranks will be problematic: reducing the font size a wee-bit (even to 75%) will help. I guess I have difficulties in including only one rank when, amidst incessant reruns, the various characters spent significant chunks of time at other grades ... save Harry Kim. :)
By the way, I think the List of Starfleet officers – or another – should be organised by officer (renamed List of Starfleet officers by rank?), not by rank. ;) E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 20:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I just feel showing ranks like that is excessive as every character started out as ensign up to the last rank...
I renamed the article as you asked. :)
-- Cat chi? 20:45, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the resizing. Remember: I'm not advocating for including every rank, only those portrayed on-screen and within the usual timeframe of the appropriate production (i.e., excluding flashbacks, alternate stuff, and one-offs). I mean, everyone of the TNG main officers started out (presumably) as Ensigns, but I'm only listing the ranks portrayed by characters during and after that run and seen. That's why some may be simple, but some like La Forge will have more entries. Make sense? E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 20:51, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I still think its excesive but I dont really have a reason to object. However, how about displaying what you want on the article I just cited (List of Starfleet officers)? Or how about both? -- Cat chi? 21:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again; is there any way to reduce the font (to equal sixe) of the left column text? In any event, I think we'll be OK. The most cumbersome ones to date have actually been either La Forge (#) or Worf (who also served on a Klingon vessel during the course of the Klingon Civil War) ... and these look OK, right? If it's unworkable, I'll defer and restore to the 'current' rank.
As for specifics regarding the other list of officers, I'll provide additional details soon. I was thinking about an alphabetical (surname) listing/table with rank changes/episodes and postings to boot. Make sense? I'll work on something ... but can't just yet. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 21:20, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... Individual characters already have that. I want List of Starfleet officers to display the rank insignias and perhaps episodes and postings etc... Seems like you'll have your hands full with that. :)
I am more concerned with movie ranks for TOS chars.
-- Cat chi? 21:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm unsure what the first statement means: some articles have that information, but some do not (at least clearly). Also (a minor point), some pix indicate(d) one rank, while their 'current' rank is another.
I don't think the TOS ranks will be any more problematic than TNGSpock for instance: Lt. Cmdr., Cmdr., Capt., Ambassador (Admiral unseen, if at all) ... Ent, Ent-A, Romulus (unauthorised)
I know I'll have my hands full, that's why I can't get to it just yet! :) I'll start off with TNG main officer ranks (based on the other list) and work from there. And from then, perhaps, I'll nix the extra ranks in the infobox. In any event, thanks for your work and help. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 21:34, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh Like Uhura having two types of insignias which would take a decent amount of space. Current rank is generaly set by movies. After all almost the entier crew dies in an average movie :P
TNG is easier to follow so thats logical.
-- Cat chi? 21:46, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Uhura might be fairly easy (ahem?): throughout her tenure, she was depicted/noted as a Lt., Lt. Cmdr., and Cmdr. Even if the first is ambiguous, Lt. can be a general catch-all (in absence of anything authoritative). E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 21:50, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi again! Take a peek at the new (and burgeoning) List of Starfleet officers. The formatting isn't perfect and requires work (e.g., I want to consolidate like information in discrete table cells), but I'm starting to go blind. However, you get the idea. Thoughts?

Also in retrospect, I may also consider and defer to your desire to include only one rank in the infobox/template (so as not to overload the infobox, but not just yet, OK?); however, should we exhibit the officer's last rank and or the one during which they had the most on-screen time as and likely is more memorable to visitors (e.g., Cmdr. Riker or Capt. Riker?) Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 23:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh I do not mind either way. I am just debating if it is really worth it. It wouldnt overload the infobox as long as it doesnt break it. :)
List of Starfleet officers will need new rows. I am considering a row for "rank insignia" and a row for "episode of promotion"
-- Cat chi? 23:11, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Great. Rows or columns? :) I think the latter. Perhaps "Episode of promotion" should be "Notes" instead? I'm still disatisfied with the table format/appearance (I've another one in mind, but must part soon) ... I wanted to exhibit something for your review. Merci! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 23:20, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Reverted page move

I have reverted your page move of Kira Nerys to Nerys Kira. Please explain on the article's talk page why you feel this is necessary and attempt to get some consensus before moving this page again. Thanks. 23skidoo 02:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me all names on wikipedia follow the western order, in other words First name (given name) then Last name. I explained myself adequately in move summary. What more is there that needs to be explained? -- Cat chi? 10:17, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Let's all take it easy. :) I appreciate efforts to render Kira's name correctly, CC; however, I believe the rendition "Kira Nerys" prevails: for example, the opening credits for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and her bio at the Star Trek website bill her that way. Reversing the order may appear slightly odd to a new visitor, and not just to Nana Visitor. :) E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 10:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah an japanese names are always the other way around but we have them in right order here on wikipedia. See Kikuko Inoue for example. -- Cat chi? 10:45, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's disagreeable to skidoo23 and likely others for legitimate reasons. Perhaps we should put this to a vote on that talk page and/or propose it at WP:RM? That will validate either perspective. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 10:47, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Why do we need to vote on everything. I clearly know when adressed by her full name she is always adressed as "Kira Nerys". All japanese names follow the same pattern but in practice japanese names are given in western order in order to evade confusion. An ignorant visitor would think that Nerys' given name is "Kira" which is not true. Only intimate people dare to call her by her first name Nerys. Thats exactly how it is in japanese culture. -- Cat chi? 10:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
While informative, we're not talking about Japanese names here. The Bajoran name dichotomy is nothing that an effecive article lead cannot rectify. Basically, the move flies in the face of the common naming convention and is disagreeable. And, amidst contention, a vote will only validate your position which – while I empathise with – I don't necessarily agree with in this instance and suspect most others will not either. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 11:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Why do I care... Do as you like. Meanwhile Ill be working on List of Starfleet officers by rank you may want to take a look and tell me what you think. -- Cat chi? 11:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Uh, thanks. The list is coming along. Similarly, can you take a peek at the other list, which I've rounded out with the regular TNG case, and let me know what you think? Thanks again. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 12:59, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. I've reformatted the table to more clearly delineate relevant data points; thus, it should now be easier to follow. Thoughts? Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 14:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

E. Pluribus Anthony pretty well sums up my objections and the objections of others so there's no need for me to parrot him, while CBurnett also states a further case on the Kira Nerys talk page. Cheers. 23skidoo 15:54, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Still I think the right otder is Nerys Kira regardless after all thats how we got all japanese names on wikipedia. All of them folow this pattern. I am not the kind that jolts through the universe enforcing guidelines so I want you guys to agree with this. Her name is not Kira, her name is Nerys. Now her last name is Kira. Why do not we follow the pattern?
All japanese websites refer to anyone japanese with lastname then first name. In japanese culture people are generaly referanced by their last name if fact it would be disrespectfull to call someone by the first name unless one is intimite. Why does this matter, well, we have something similar in Bajoran culture apperantly. Many on screen referances explain us her given name is Nerys so Why cant we follow first name last name format? -- Cat chi? 18:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
According to the Star Trek WikiProject main page, we follow strict rules of canon. Find one canonical reference that indicates that Kira Nerys was ever referred to as Nerys Kira (or Laren Ro, or Ital Odo for that matter) and we'll look at it. You won't find one. I in fact refer you to the TNG episode "Ensign Ro" in which it is clearly stated in canonical dialogue that it is incorrect to use the traditional "western" form of names. 23skidoo 20:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
You see wikipedia is not yet run by the federation and Bajorans can file a complaint to the Jimbo and let him consider. :) The thing is this has nothing to do with cannon but more about how wikipedia names always appear. We are folowing cannon, I am not giving him a third name or modifying spelling etc.. It is how the names apear on wikipedia, same goes for all Japanese names. No Japanese is ever called by the First name and then Last name (ever) by the Japanese. I am using the Japanese as an excelent example of western dominance in naming on En.wikipedia. -- Cat chi? 20:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
But the Japanese articles are generally not fictional names. If you go and change "Kira Nerys" to "Nerys Kira" when there is not one single officially licensed TV episode, book, comic book, reference work, website, or anything else that uses this spelling, a few things will happen. First, it will be endlessly reverted because someone will see it (correctly IMO) as an error. Second, it will create many redirects and under the MOS we're supposed to avoid redirects whenever possible. That means a ton of piping will be necessary; and if you go around changing all the word orders in all the articles you'll end up with the same situation as I mentioned in my first point -- someone will just fix them all. One of the purposes of the Star Trek WikiProject is to set rules and guidelines for handling articles based on this fictional universe; one reason why it was established is because of a growing movement to remove all pop culture and/or fiction-related articles from Wikipedia (referring here to individual episode articles, articles on characters, concepts, etc.) Similar Wikiprojects exist for Wizard of Oz, Doctor Who, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, etc. And in the case of Star Trek it is considered correct to use the name Kira Nerys. If you want to try and find a consensus to change it at the WikiProject, feel free and good luck. 23skidoo 20:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Why are you wishing me luck? -- Cat chi? 21:24, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Flint

Cool Cat, Thanks for fixing the flint bio box. I have reverted to the previous until we can resize the image. I like your changes but the Image is too large. I have tried unsuccessfully. Is there a way of doing this? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks FrankWilliams 00:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Just use the Size parameter. Example: |Size = 200px
I'll do this one for you, but in the future please ask before taking action. I am here only to help. :)
-- Cat chi? 00:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I added back the original info. It looks much better now.FrankWilliams 01:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


[33], what do you think? --Kash 16:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletions of images

Hi there, I notice you tagged a number of images for speedy deletion with the reason "Now useless". However, "Now useless" is not currently one of our criteria for speedy deletion, so I am -- Cat chi? 14:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)removing the speedy deletion tags.

If you feel the images are redundant copies, in the same image file format and same or lower resolution, of something else on Wikipedia, please tag them with {{Isd|name of other image without Image: prefix}}. If you feel that the images are not useful on Wikipedia, please list them on WP:IFD. Possible reasons for this would be that the images are unencyclopedic or orphaned. Thanks! Stifle 01:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I dont have time. Notice they are orphans and I uploaded tens of better coppies. They can waiste wikipedias hardrives for all I care. I have cleaned up the images and uploaded them to commons or uploaded better coppies. Never the less its all beter now and those images will not ever be used. -- Cat chi? 01:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I suggest you delete the images. -- Cat chi? 01:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't have any valid reason to unless I can see what image on Wikipedia (not Commons) that they are redundant to. Stifle 01:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
You are hesitating to delete unused images.... commons:Starfleet ranks and insignia shows all starfleet rank insignias on commons, some are red (as they are unfree images at the moment). I speedied tens of images I moved. I do not have the time to tag them one by one. Also take a look at Starfleet ranks and insignia. -- Cat chi? 01:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
"Unused" is not a criterion for speedy deletion. Nor is "now on commons". Please read WP:CSD. Thanks. Stifle 01:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
See this diff for the old image for deletion and replacement image. This is the best I can do. -- Cat chi? 01:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
If you are just going to chant policy like that you should definately not be processing speedies. The point of spedies is to evade redundent burocracy which you seem to request me to get indulge with. -- Cat chi? 01:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure that you understand the speedy deletion process. The point of speedy deletions is to avoid putting articles or images through time-consuming process when there is already a consensus that this category of content should be deleted, for example articles about bands that don't assert the band's notability. There is no consensus that images which are useless should be speedily deleted, unless they fulfill some other, more strict, criterion for speedy deletion. Examples include images uploaded under a fair use claim which are not used in any article and so tagged for seven days. Public domain or free license images do not qualify unless they are redundant to a higher- or equal-quality image of the same thing in the same format elsewhere on Wikipedia, and that image is specified. For example, the following cannot be speedily deleted:
  • Images that have now been uploaded on Commons
  • Images that have been reuploaded under a different license (unless the original image was fair use and the new one has a free license)
  • Images that have been reuploaded under a different format
They can, however, be deleted by just listing them on WP:IFD. Stifle 13:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually, scratch that. Given the diff that you specified, I can now proceed to verify the redundancy and speedily delete the old images. Thanks for your help. Stifle 13:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Oops, the replacement images are on Commons, so unfortunately this doesn't apply. You're free to use WP:IFD or mark the pages as {{NowCommons}} as I have done here. Sorry. Stifle 13:49, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
My bad I should have explained better. Sorry for the additional stress.
  • I uploaded the images to commons (I did not have to)
  • I renamed every referance to the en copy of the commons image (I did not have to)
  • I also speedie tagged images now wont be ever used (again I did not have to)
  • The images on commons are all pngs. Some en images were jpegs which I cleaned up and added transparancy.
  • Images had a pd license and still has a pd license.
  • The images are as redundent as it gets. They are orphaned with no hope of usage as a better copy exists in commons.
In the best interest of wikipedia servers the images should be deleted.
-- Cat chi? 14:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Right. However, they can't be speedily deleted, which is the original locus of the problem. The correct procedure is Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion, so I did this. Stifle 16:33, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Diyako is Vandalizing and Fabricating

Look at the sources he has cited for his bann of the Kurdish flag in Iran. They are random webpages. They have nothing to do with the topic. I have made warnings onthe topic. 02:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Formatting a userbox

Hi Cool Cat - commendations on your suavely formatted user page. Thanks for the code I stole.

Could you advise me on how to align a userbox with text, e.g. the Members section of WikiProject International development?

<center> doesn't seem to work, and I don't know how to stop the text from wrapping.

Any other formatting help on that page would be much appreciated. Thanks! --Singkong2005 10:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll gladly fix it. :) -- Cat chi? 15:43, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
That's great now, thanks! Singkong2005 04:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:ST character

Template:ST character has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Philip Stevens 11:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

It shall be done. -- Cat chi? 15:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


Check out Wikipedia_talk:Ribbons. -- evrik 18:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, you may find the template I used on that page most interesting. -- Cat chi? 18:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom Case

Hi, I included a diff[34] to your Rfc in an ongoing ArbCom case that we unfortunately had to file against Aucaman; so just be aware of that please.Zmmz 22:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. -- Cat chi? 22:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


Diyako Talk + 10:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

22 March is quite late for celebrating the new year. :) -- Cat chi? 13:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Or how about replying: "Thank you for the friendly message despite previous conflicts. I wish you a happy Nevruz" ? Bertilvidet 13:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't celebrate that holiday. Also I was never at conflict. -- Cat chi? 13:37, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Your RfC

Hi CoolCat, I just saw that RfC page you put up for Aucaman et al. This doesn't really look like a formally valid user-conduct RfC. Could you please check the formal rules again and reformat accordingly, so that it will actually be useful in attracting people to comment? I'd suggest you shouldn't advertise it in the meantime. Thanks! Lukas (T.|@) 14:02, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... so rfc structure has changed over all this time. I'll take a look and fix it.
I make it a personal policy not to advertise to parties. The only people I notified are the ones already involved with the case.
-- Cat chi? 14:21, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I see you notified Zmmz and somebody else, but not even the parties actually criticized, i.e. Aucaman et al.? That, IIRC, is one of the most basic requirements and has to be documented in the RfC before it can be counted valid. - By the way, you may wonder why I've become active so quickly in this, but I've been acting as a kind of semi-advocate in Aucaman's other affairs lately. Lukas (T.|@) 14:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
P.S.: Please see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Example user. It's been more or less like that since mid-2004, apparently. Lukas (T.|@) 14:33, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm.. I see. I'll advertise to them as well. -- Cat chi? 14:51, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Anything else I should do? Feel free to assist. :) -- Cat chi? 14:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, sorry, no offense, but ... rather than assisting, I'm probably going to shoot it down. Honestly, I don't think the RfC in this form is going to go anywhere. Give me half an hour, I'll add a note explaining why I think it won't work, and suggest you drop it for the moment and try in a different form. Lukas (T.|@) 15:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Are you suggesting personal attacks and pov pushing are acceptable? I depleted every method avalible to me. I ask for asitance on the noticeboard I asked people on IRC. I let them be for months in hopes someone would interfere. I was going to directly jump to arbitration but Francis requested I go for RfC first.
Shooting an rfc I filed for obviously problematic behaviour is puzzling behaviour after making me work so much. I am currently confused as well as frustrated by your statement.
-- Cat chi? 15:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, wait till you see my reasons. This is not about their behaviour not being problematic, but there are formal problems which I think can't be healed within the present process. Lukas (T.|@) 15:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, here I am again. Well, sorry, as you've seen, I did it. As for how to proceed further, I'd say you leave Aucaman alone; he's now at Arbcom anyway and your case seems at least to heavily overlap with that one. You could of course still submit evidence there. Muhamed, if he's really as extreme as you paint him, should simply be blockable by admin decision alone (repeated, persistent personal attacks are blockable, I think.) As for Diyako and Heja, I can imagine that an RfC might be a good idea; I don't know them well, but what I saw of Diyako during the Newroz/Norouz comedy was highly problematic. Lukas (T.|@) 16:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh I am not annoyed. I just hate to see Anti Air flying around ;). I can take your advice and leave Aucaman out. (simple enough). However I have repetively plead for assitance for Muhamed and no one interfered (even filed an ANB). So unless there is a fast way to get rid of him an RfC is the only option. -- Cat chi? 16:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I have no problem with that. I'd just recommend that a single RfC should be about a single, well-defined set of incidents. Maybe you could split it up. Lukas (T.|@) 16:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Sure but as you may recall gathering evidence is a painful process. I didnt cite too many as practialy almost any diff they have can be used as evidence. Hence I invite you againto assist. I do not mind if you break the RfC into 3. I just dont want to veture into this all alone. -- Cat chi? 16:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Just a note: I wonder why you are still so upset about that restaurant incident? That was entirely reasonable; the article wasn't really about the restaurant as such, but about a political event that took place there, and which happened to involve some prominent Kurdish politicians. (see Mykonos restaurant assassinations). It was moved, but still has got that category. Lukas (T.|@) 16:45, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I wasnt upset. The article was originaly talking about a non notable restourant. All that was relavant was "supposively" two kurds were murdered there. So it was an easy delete as it was pointless. During the Afd Article was renamed and expanded to explain historic event rather than the restourant. The expansion was indirectly my doing.
I was upset that article to be tagged with the Kurdistan category. As you might know Kurdistan is a contraversial region of a proposed kurdish country with borders determined by whoever is drawing. Berlin is not even in the middle east hence no where near Kurdistan unless borders reach to berlin germany.
-- Cat chi? 16:53, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but at the time Muhamed cat'ed it, it was clear enough what the article was intended to be about. It was a poorly written article, to be sure, but that wasn't his fault, its relevance to the "Kurdistan" category was obvious to anybody familiar with the subject. So, I really don't see how you would class his edit as disruptive or anything. At the most, you might argue that "Kurdish history" or somesuch would have been a better choice than "Kurdistan", but that's still just a minor, perfectly AGF-able mistake of judgment, not disruption. Lukas (T.|@) 17:02, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Think it this way, this is like tagging Kennedy Assasination with Category:Asia. Kurdistan supposed to be a proposed country or region and is contraversial. The user tags random provinces in turkey, iran, Syria, Turkey with kurdistan category as well as a restourant in Berlin germany. If I tag Paris as a part of greater germany I would be blocked for breaching WP:POINT, I dont see why this user is allowed to do what he is doing. because of him and people like him the categories related to kurds are imposible to navigate as you are likely to find categories and subcategories with a handful articles.
Check his past contribution: [35]. And/or just review the edit summaries: [36].
-- Cat chi? 17:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
"Random provinces"? - Could there be a tiny little chance that they were not random but had one little unimportant thing in common - that of being considered part of Kurdistan by some? ;-) I mean, you might not like to consider them part of Kurdistan, but some people clearly do. I'm ready to agree that some of his activity is problematic, but the wish of having a category "Kurdistan" covering these things is certainly not prima facia illegitimate, and I don't think you'll gain much support RfC'ing with that argument. Lukas (T.|@) 17:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Look. This person only tags random articles (doesnt have to be provinces and on occasions the word kurd is not even mentioned in the article) with category Kurdistan with an edit summary talking about removing bosmongol propoganda by adding the category. That is all he does aside from trolling my rfa and voting on afds etc. There is nothing else I can cite because thats everything he has done.
We do not tag France under category Germany just because some neo-nazis consider it as a part of greater germany. Nor do we tag Canada as a US state even though many people consider that (no offense to anyone, just an analogy). So why is it that Kurdistan is treated any diferently? You do see my point I suppose.
-- Cat chi? 17:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
(Heavens, how many colons are these? :-) - I guess we'd better leave it at an agree-to-disagree about the Kurdistan bit for now - but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be willing to support other aspects of your RfC. Take care, Lukas (T.|@) 17:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


Türk karşıtı Khoikhoi admin oluyor,tanıdığın bütün türklere haber verirsen engelleyebiliriz burdan oy verebilirsin (Metb82 13:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC))

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Aucaman, Diyako, Heja helweda, Muhamed

As you requested I have filed an RfC and not an RfAr. -- Cat chi? 13:34, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey man, do you want me to join as have tried to resolve this dispute? Because if you lump together all four I'm not sure If I can do that, I can only provide an outside view that agrees with most of it - I really have no experience of dealing with Aucaman. I'm not really sure of the benefit of lumping Muhamed in with Diyako and Heja either... I mean his case is clearcut. He really needs to be permbanned and thats that. Let me know how you think it is best to proceed. - FrancisTyers 15:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey there
  • I do not know much about Aucaman. I am primarily bugged by his creation of articles such as Turkish Kurdistan. I also observed his less than admirable tone as I watch practicaly every article related to kurds. Maybe an RFC against him isn't necesary since there is an RfAr... but too late for that now.
  • Muhamed is also a clear cut. Someone who can't understand english should not be making edits here aside from interwiki links.
    • Tagging random articles (such as a restoruant in Berlin, Geramany) with a contraversial category Kurdistan or voting on afds etc without undertsanding the rationale (due to language barrier).
    • A dispute resolution would require heavy use of translation as user does not know english (or any language at a native level).
    • I frankly think he should stick to german wikipedia, just like how I don't contribute to russian wikipedia. So I don't think a dispute resolution for him is possible.
  • The other two parties (Diyako and Heja) frequently make contraversial/biased edits. They are no longer newbies and they do not show any evidence of a learning curve or improvement. You had to recently clean up thier mess on Kingdom of Kurdistan for example as comparing the british gov and saddam is bad taste (in my view at least).
I did not file the RfC to get people perm banned though. I hope to gather comunity support against their behaviour which may or may not result with bans. I am not sure what can you do to resolve the dispute. Diyako's recent behaviour on the Newruz (or whatever the holiday is called) article is quite problematic. I provided for some diffs to that end on the rfc page.
For me all 4 people cause simmilar problems on articles related to Kurds.
-- Cat chi? 16:30, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Misc comment #1

I understand no Turkish and I do not come from Turkey.

I come from the northIraq and I speak Arab and Kurdish.

Siktir Lan I learned of your Turkish friends. Muhamed

I don't have any turkish friends that know you, I assure you. -- Cat chi? 09:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Misc comment #2

It would be greatly appreciated if you participated and left a comment there as you have at least had experience with some of the people involved there. Some users unfortunately (like Lukas) are trying to turn this into an indictment of sorts against nearly all Iranian editors. Much obliged.--Zereshk 05:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Turkey

Merhaba WikiProject Turkey isminde bir proje önerisinde bulundum. Öneri olarak en az 5-10 kişi varsa projeye başlamanın daha uygun olacağı söyleniyor. Türkiye ile ilgilenen her kullanıcıya bu mesajı yolluyorum. Gözümden kaçan bu proje ile ilgilenebilecek aktif kullanıcı olursa sizde bildirin. Geçici proje sayfası bu User:Ugur Basak/WikiProject Turkey, bu sayfayada ilgilenmek isterseniz adınızı ekleyebilirsiniz. Wikipedia:Wikiproject/List_of_proposed_projects#Turkey --Ugur Basak 14:05, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Selam Cool Cat, Wikipedia:WikiProject Turkey çalışır duruma geldi sayılır. İlgileniyorsan Wikipedia:WikiProject_Turkey#Participants kısmına ismini ekleyerim, çalışmaya başlayabilirsin. Proje ile ilgili konular tartışma kısmında konuşuluyor. İyi günler --Ugur Basak 19:15, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Various unseen or stub Star Trek Classes

Mass afding is bad practice. I am quite displeased. -- Cat chi? 20:20, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

(crossposted on my talk page and yours for ease of following)
Perhaps you may wish to look at WP:AfD#How_to_list_multiple_related_pages_for_deletion where it's explained as part of AfD procedure before you say it is a bad practice. -Mask Flag of Alaska.svg 20:22, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the fact is it hasnt even been one week since I recreated those articles. You went ahead for mass deletion without even discussing it. Frankly I find that rude. -- Cat chi? 22:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
There was a previous AfD that mandated returning many of the ship class articles back into the list. You should have checked the history before recreating.Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hokule'a class starship covers that class plus a number of others. Frankly, disregarding previous AfD's is what I find rude.-Mask Flag of Alaska.svg 22:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Interesting point. I will remeber this incident and I can assure you the memories are not pleasant. I see this as a continunation of the censor of fiction and pop culture on wikipedia. -- Cat chi? 02:37, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


Are you willing to reactivate as an active mentor for user:JarlaxleArtemis? Linuxbeak has indicated he is too busy with other matters. I also left a note for User:JSpudeman the other designated mentor. JarlaxleArtemis has been causing problems, and has been extremely sluggish about completing his requirements. Without an active mentor he will have to be blocked. -Will Beback 23:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I guess I can although he really didn't need any supervision when I was active. -- Cat chi? 02:35, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
No offense, but JA needed more supervision than he received, IMO. He may have been on his good behavior initially but it didn't last. Starting back in December he blew off the unbanning requirements, in particular apologizing to those he'd attacked and undoing the damage he'd caused, but no one followed up and he simply deleted the notice from his talk page. He's reverted to the behaviors which led his two ArbCom cases: ignoring policies and guidelines, edit warring to defy MOS, misusing image tags, and being uncivil towards other editors. He would've been on a one-year ArbCom ban if his vicious and widespread attacks hadn't gotten him banned "permanently". He came back because Linuxbeak is such a nice guy, and because he promised to do a number of things. JA is still on parole and is now violating it. He lied outright on his user page this week, asserting that he never created doppelganger accounts even though a few days later he found the passwords for most of them. I've asked him to stop editing voluntarily until he completes his unbanning requirements, and I finally told him I'd block him if he did not attend to it. He's promised (for the nth time) that he knows all of the rules and will follow them. Without active, involved mentorship this editor can't keep editing here. I'll work with you to make sure that JA lives up to the standards of the community. Thanks, -Will Beback 08:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh I wasnt aware of that. You see when people have problems with him they should notify the mentors. Sure, I'll gladly work with you. -- Cat chi? 22:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually user:Linuxbeak has been contacted several times, both by me and other users, and he finally asked if I could try to find someone else to take over for him. Also, I posted several messages to Wikipedia talk:Mentorship Committee. Anyway, let's move forward. -Will Beback 00:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I should have payed more atention to that talk page. My apologies. Lets move forward at warp speed -- Cat chi? 00:26, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


I have reverted your edit on batman page for god knows how many times now. I recommend you have a read of WP:NPOV. I'd hate to spend the time fileing another rfc.

I am under the impresion you are here to expand and improve wikipedia. You need to be able to work with others rather than senselessly revert them screeming "That is POV".

-- Cat chi? 03:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I have argued on the talk page for every edit I have contributed. If you please argue your case, we will be able to understand your reasoning and thus have better chances for corporating rather than just reverting. Please see the relevant talk page. Bertilvidet 09:19, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
An edit summary explains what I was doing. I have explained myself clearly. Even on the talk page. -- Cat chi? 21:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


Syrian Kurdistan has been deleted and redirected to Kurds in Syria, same should be done with Turkish Kurdistan. Can you nominate it for deletion or show me how I can. Thank you and kolay gelsin.--Kagan the Barbarian 10:37, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I have nominated the article for deletion as you requested. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Kurdistan -- Cat chi? 22:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Kurdistan

Similar to syrian Kurdistan article. Should be treated the same. What do you tink? -- Cat chi? 22:03, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

On face value, yes. I've seen that article and wondered the same myself. However, in issues I know little about I prefer to wait and see what more knowledgeable editors have to say first. The closing comments of mine you have quoted, for example, were made when I'd had the chance to review the entire debate and were meant to summarise what had happened. Thanks for the heads up though. --kingboyk 22:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
There is also an Iranian Kurdistan. All thsese articles were started by same people in very little time. -- Cat chi? 22:10, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Probably best to deal with them all at the same time then. You could be bold and just redirect, but a joint AFD would probably be better as I think it's best to take potentially controversial issues to the community. You can tag that page with the subst'd AFD tag, save it, and then edit the AFD link to point to the AFD you just started. Then just add a mention to the AFD article that you're actually placing 2 (or more) articles for the community's consideration not just the one. --kingboyk 22:15, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
I understand you arent knowlegable on the topic, but what do you think of Category:Kurdistan? What article would belong to this category? -- Cat chi? 22:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
I've just cracked open a bottle of wine (Shiraz again) so I'll answer that tommorow :) --kingboyk 22:15, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Wine is good. Dont drink and derive tho. It'd be bad calculus. -- Cat chi? 22:20, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi there

Can I have your e-mail address please? --ManiF 01:04, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

You can email me by clicking the @ link on my signature. -- Cat chi? 01:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I tried, but the @ link on your signature doesn't work. --ManiF 01:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
This is the message I get "This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users." --ManiF 01:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Try again. Sorry there was a minor issue I had to fix. -- Cat chi? 01:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Vote Stacking on Kurdish-related votes

I saw your complaint, very true. Here are some more evidence in case you needed them:

Regards. --ManiF 19:23, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Barnstar reversion ribbon.png

Here is one image. I will try and knock out the other two images. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:34, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! :) -- Cat chi? 22:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

An RFC has been filed involving you.

The RfC has been filed and is available at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Cool Cat. -Mask Flag of Alaska.svg 18:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

List of Starfleet ship classes

I want to make the article more like List of Oh My Goddess episodes a comparasion chart. Would you support that? -- Cat chi? 20:15, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I would support a comparison table if I thought we had authoritative sources on these classes, but as far as I know we do not. The classes listed on this page are pretty much all classes where a starship was mentioned once in dialogue (and we've later told belong to a certain classes) or a starship appeared once in a listing on a monitor for x number of frames. As far as I know we don't have authoritative sources on them, so it ends up with people constantly "correcting" the statistics one way or the other depending on some fan non-canon source. AlistairMcMillan 01:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
There are piblished wikipedia "encyclopedias" that have comparasion charts as well as technical drawings. I do not know if this is cannon but if it is it can be very useful in creating a comparasion chart. -- Cat chi? 20:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
[37] this is another chart. Again I am not certain if it is cannon but it does look like those technical drawings we see on various star trek publications. -- Cat chi? 20:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I was being a little disingenuous. There are no authoritative sources for statistics on the different starships in Star Trek. If you look at the various talk pages on the starships or the different classes, you'll see that we don't even have statistics for the ships that appeared every week. Talk:USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-D)
The two images you linked to are based on fans extrapolating figures as best as they can. I have done my best to derive reasonable figures, though. [38] AlistairMcMillan 20:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Fine how about using the technical manuals you mentioned on the talk page of Enterprise D for the comparasion? I reliase there may be inconsistencies but we can have two columns, one for DS9 and one for TNG -- Cat chi? 23:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Great. Then another column for the Star Trek Encyclopedia for when it contradicts the Technical Manuals. Another column for actual series dialogue when it contradicts the Manuals and the Encyclopedia. And another column for production staff who designed the ships, for when they contradicted the Manuals, the Encyclopedia, and the series dialogue. You see where this is going, right? And this is just the Galaxy class. If you don't believe me, then take some time to read through sites like Please believe me there are no consistent sets of specs for the starships in Star Trek. AlistairMcMillan 23:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes an excelently informative article comparing the technical manuals and roughly copares the ship. If you do not want to assist I can understand that but I think we have material to cover. We can leave out fannon, no problem and stick to cannon and semi cannon sources. Starfleet ranks and insignia is a greater mess if you think about it, but look at the article. -- Cat chi? 00:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
You are not listening to me. There are no authoritative sources for statistics on even the ships that we saw regularly. The few sources we have for these statistics all contradict each other. Then you have the ships that only appeared in a single episode or were only mentioned in passing in dialogue... there is nothing useful that can be said about them that doesn't stray into fanon or speculation. AlistairMcMillan 01:30, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
You are right I am not listening. Do you know where can I aquire data on Star Trek Tech Manuals online? -- Cat chi? 22:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Are you asking where can you get the manuals? eBay and Amazon both have them. If you insist on going ahead with this, can you please start your efforts at a temp page somewhere. So that once you discover for yourself that the statistics are not available, it is easy for someone to tidy up afterward. AlistairMcMillan 23:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Update Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates

Who Updates the template. I made a suggestion like 6 hours ago, and nothing has happened. In a day or so it will be irrelevant (2006 Commonwealth Games). --HamedogTalk|@ 12:37, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure how that page is processed. -- Cat chi? 20:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

vote for khoi..


Sorry for wasting your time, Khoi. who has always problems with Turk related articles will be an admin, unless you vote for opposition. [[39]]--TuzsuzDeliBekir 14:13, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


Someone intentionally or unintentionally vandalized your History of Turkey templates, can you revert them, I couldn't. Regards.--Kagan the Barbarian 20:09, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I appologize Coolcat

You were not Karabekir, while my research shows you were implicated in the Febuary 10s lobbying, Tommiks was behind those alias. [40], [41].

I admit when I am wrong. Fad (ix) 01:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Glad that was cleared, next time I suggest you try opening hailing frequencies before firing all phasers. -- Cat chi? 01:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Here a proposition for you, as I have shown in my evidence page, a merging test is the best way to track socks(but not vandals with no specific interests)), how hard would it be to write such a program? I have some ideas on the type of tests the program should do. With this kind of test introduced in checkuser, it will be much more difficult for a user to hide behind socks. It could answer with a correlation value and a probabilistic % that this is due to chance with a comparative sample. Fad (ix) 01:14, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Checkuser and this are completely two diferent procedures.
Checkuser is someone determining if two aliases are the same based on IP as well as logs. Every edit made comes with a number of unique signatures establishing who made the edit. It is possible to fool a number of them but people who checkuser are fairly through with this. Generaly persistant socks such as User:MARMOT don't require checkuser to be blocked anyways. Only very few users have this kind of access. I am not even entrusted with admin privilages so I cant quite assist you with this one just yet.
I asked User:Interiot for something like that quite a while ago. His hands are generally full and he may need a reminder. This is a delicate process though. You do not want to use arbitrary percentages accusing random people. It is possible to have false positives for two unrelated people of which one contributes weekdeays and another weekends. I do not know how hard the programming would be but for Interiot it would be a walk in the park.
-- Cat chi? 02:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I know how checkuser work, I just thought that it would be good if this kind of method is incorporated, and % are not really arbitrary, it depends on the type of rules you set, comparing with a heterogenous sample. Study of the heterogenouty or homogenouty of the continuity between two different users might be enought, this coupled with word search on the contribution summaries or the articles title with a correlation or regression test from the center, more proximal the other users contribution in the same article or articles containing the same word to the user, higher the confidence rate. It would be easy to fake checkuser, but not such a test. -—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fadix (talkcontribs)
Trust me I debated this to death with a number of people. Giving numbers is bad practice as people would start banning other people based on percentages which does not necesarily mean they are sockpuppets. People often edit wikipedia after work and due to workhours and/or timezones lots of people will appear as sockpuppets. An american and a chineese can edit the same article for months with a sockpuppet patern. I do feel such a tool is necesary but I am skeptical how usefull it would be. -- Cat chi? 20:30, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Why was this edit made?


Bluebot made the above edit, removing the GA Tag, dispite the article holding that status. Can you see any reason why this has occured? --HamedogTalk|@ 09:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I am not certain, you may want to ask the bot owner, User:Bluemoose -- Cat chi? 09:04, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


Cool Cat, it seems that we have several common points of interest concerning contemporary Turkey and minority issues is in Turkey. It is also clear that we have differing approaches, at least to the quite sensitive Kurdish question. IMHO our differing approaches should be considered as a strength in order to write well-balanced articles on the issues. If we admit our differences, I am certain that we can write really good NPOV articles. This requires, however, a mutual respect for the other's view, willingness to discussions, refrain from personal attacks and mutually assuming good faith. Lots of work is indeed to improve Turkey-related articles. I suggest that we collaborate about this important task. You are hereby invited. Bertilvidet 11:56, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem respecting other peoples views. It appears large masses do not honor the same concept which is a problem. Your concerns regarding civility is mutual, in any debate I expect nothing less from you. I also do not want to see any other example of vote stacking, there is no good faith in creating an artificial conensus.
I suggest we deal with a few problematic users first. I do not want them to interfere with our colaborations on such a sensative set of articles.
Having said all that you must realise where I am standing. I have nothing against the Kurds in general, however I object the portraying of them as if they own the place. Fortunately/unfortunately they don't and even Iraqi Kurds report to Bagdad.
  • Some Kurds do campaign for an independent state and wikipedia has a palce for them at their own article: Kurdish nationalism. Elsewhere it becomes prolematic. (note that this article does not exist)
  • The region they campaign for also has its own article: Kurdistan. I do not like such a thing being treated as a geographic region in lead and later treated like a proposed nation.
I also suggest keeping a {{POV}} tag on more contraversial articles such as Kurdistan until article becomes a Featured article and hence demonstrate NPOV to its fullest extent.
Is there a problem with that so far? -- Cat chi? 14:04, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate your praise of mutual respect and civility, and in continuation of this my edits and opinions are not determined by what you want.
I dont understand what you mean by "I suggest we deal with a few problematic users first". Who are they, how are they problematic? We cannot prevent other users from interfering in our collaboration, indeed it is the nature of Wikipedia that anyone can edit and question whatever we write.
As long as a large number of people define them as Kurds, and refer to the place they live as Kurdistan or Turkish Kurdistan (which indicate an accept of the Turkish state) it is my conviction that this term deserves an article here - of course an article that outlines the political and geographical facts. I respect that you disagree on this, and will collaborate in improving the coverage whatever the outcome will be.
Yes, Kurdish nationalism is notable enough for an article - and so is Turkish nationalism.
The {{POV}} tag should be used with cautiousness. If there are legitimate concerns about the neutrality it is fair to use the tag. In that case, I will however, prefer that the critical points are entered into the article so that it becomes balanced / NPOV. Bertilvidet 15:53, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Look, some middle easterners refer to the US as the devil. We do not move it to Devil (country).
  • Kurdistan is an acceptable term for an article not because what kurds call the place, but because its is citable on a variety of sources as well as being a proposed country otherwise it would be a simple redirect or perhaps a disambiguation page.
  • However, Turkish Kurdistan is not as acceptable. After all only Kurds (and perhaps only some) referance the place as such and while rest of the nation and planet refer to the place as soultheastern anatolia. Turkey has 7 geographic regions recognised by the goverment as well as the international community hence no one can object. We can use those rather than a contraversial name such as 'Turkish Kurdistan' which means 'Turkish lands owned by the Kurds' as per dictionary definiton. This is a breaches npov. Also why do we have to use the word Kurdistan?
  • The more accpeted term is Southeastern Turkey or Southeastern Anatolia not Turkish Kurdistan.
  • It is however notable enough to be a redirect, just not notable enough to be the article. We do not want two articles explaining the same place. That is why redirects exist and that is why they were created. I do not believe I am being unreasonable here.
The point of {{POV}} is to get community attention. It might sometimes be best for unrelated parties to detect bias we may not necesarily see. Let me elaborate using fiction,
  • For an average Romulan citizen, Klingons are a brutal and irrational race of savage people who smell bad.
  • For the Klingons they are a brave race of warriors following Khalesses teachings superior to every other race.
  • NPOV would be neither of course but a 3rd party would be better in choosing the NPOV way rather than a Romulan or Klingon citizen. {{POV}} does not mean the article is to be ignored but it just means article is biased and needs attention. A third party can only know about the dispute if it is advertised. This may take days or even a month. This is how contraversial topics are processed on wikipedia and sometimes a {{POV}} tag is intentionaly left such as on PKK.
About the problematic users, see: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Diyako, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Heja helweda, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Muhamed. I do not mind people joining the debate, I just dont want these users to disrupt the debate.
-- Cat chi? 17:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Batman, Turkey

Hi Cool Cat, I do understand why some editors prefer the more compact version of the statement, but I see the sensibility of the issue. I can live with either version, as long as the (claimed, if you like) predominance of Kurds is mentioned. Apart from that, I'm fine.--Hippalus 15:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

An afterthought: as there seems to be a consensus that Southeastern Anatolia does have a predominantly Kurdish population, I think I prefer the version without the explicite statement that this is a claim by the BBC - the current revision, that is. Why? Because that statement is misleading. It isn't just one controversial claim by the BBC. Those articles of the BBC and the Guardian, and Globalsomethingdotorg, accept those data as established facts. I don't know if they are right in doing so, but if those facts need to be contested, they should be contested first on the talk page of Kurds in Turkey or Kurdistan. If the consensus there changes, those changes can be reflected on articles like Batman, Turkey. I don't think pages with little traffic like Batman, Turkey or even Talk:Batman, Turkey are the right arena for such discussions. What do you think?--Hippalus 13:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Please don't remove the inline reference to the municipal website. Even though it is a double reference, it is valid here, as it the source of the population figure. Cheers,--Hippalus 15:24, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Why not use ref? Ill apply this. -- Cat chi? 15:38, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay, fine.--Hippalus 16:11, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat, I had a look, and that sure ia a good solution. Now the only issue left on the article is the Kurdish one... ;-) --Hippalus 16:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes and I do not see a reason for a discussion. We cant talk about demographics without a census. -- Cat chi? 16:38, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
See my reply on Talk:Batman, Turkey.--Hippalus 17:32, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, I noticed you just reverted Batman, Turkey to the 'BBC version'. You probably didn't read my last comment on the talk page when you did that. Could you please read my comment, and consider reverting your reverts back to the 'proposal version'? I would really appreciate such a move. I know I'm asking much of you, but I believe it is important we all treat this matter in a constructive way. Are you willing to work with me on reaching a solution? Thanks a lot!--Hippalus 19:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I do not accept a disclaimer not here but on any article. How many articles do you know that has disclaimers?
Wikipedia is not a soapbox. I can't comprimise just because Bertilvidet demands esspecialy when what he suggest is talking about ethnicity fractions without a census to base it on. His argument is a set of wesle words at best.
-- Cat chi? 19:29, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


Hows it going? -- Cat chi? 20:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm alright thank you kind sir, how are you? FireFoxT [20:40, 27 March 2006]
At a state of confusion, getting worn out by endless pov debates by people who compit behaviour that would get me blocked in ten seconds and the ten seconds is only because of the lag between admin and wikipedia servers. Also quite lonely since my removal from #wikipedia-en-vandalism. I begun to think essjay as an egomaniac which probably is bad judgement on my part due to the ongoing neural shock. It is really rare for a founder to be booted off of the enviorment he created. -- Cat chi? 20:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I was actualy curious if anyone cared my ejection from the channel. I dont want to pester angela if people hate me (a gereal fashion these days). Also I am having a difficult time on wikipedia due to a number of people and would appriciate any help. -- Cat chi? 21:12, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Engineering to FireFox, do you copy? -- Cat chi? 18:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

AN/I Discussion

There are now 3 outside views who agree with my refutation of your claims, one who accuses you of violating WP:AGF and an admin who says your verging on violating WP:CIVIL. You may wish to pull the complaint before you dig yourself in too far a hole. -Mask Flag of Alaska.svg 04:06, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

An Administrator has closed the discussion. I'd ask you to only bring up serious and verified complaints in the future. -Mask Flag of Alaska.svg 01:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC)



Hey Cool Cat, I'd really like thank you for taking the time to vote at my RfA. I withdrew due to certain controversies, but I appreciated your vote and hope to see you here in the future. Thanks again. --Khoikhoi 05:16, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish Cat

Dude, please stop removing the Kurdish category from pages; this category has survived the CFD attempts and categorizing areas by ethnic population is legitimate and encyclopedic. --Moby 08:53, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Pov pushing is not welcome on wikipedia. Boudries of kurdistan is strictly confined at northern iraq. Anywhere else its highly contraverisal. What you are doing is like the tagging of Paris, France under Category:Germany. -- Cat chi? 15:46, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey. Whats the deal with all these cats e.g. Kurdish cuisine does every single Kurd article deserve a category!? --Kash 23:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Categories ment to be navigation aids. Yes all kurdish related articles may have a category. I object the usage of Kurdistan on random provinces of choice of a random wikipedia editor who doesn't even necesarily know english (Muhamed case). -- Cat chi? 06:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

User:Cool Cat/RfAr Armenian Genocide

Please do not remove the link again. I am very serious about this. I will eventully prepare my case for arbitration, I just haven't gotten to it yet. -- Cat chi? 18:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed that you placed a misleading link (I still have yet to see proper steps and procedure pertaining to dispute resolution). I guarantee the Arbitration Committee will reject this nonsense over a heated naming convention; please don't do that kind of stuff, it's silly. -ZeroTalk 18:24, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Issue isn't about a naming convention but more about Fadix as well as others dominating the article not allowing contribution from anyone but people they agree with as well as accusing them of being my sockpuppets or me being theirs.
Fadix for instance have reverted me with the edit summary of pov pushing when my edit was spelling corrections (this was long ago). My latest request was to the inclusion of the turkish referance of the incident which was whelmingly opposed but eventualy added to the article. Even something so basic had taken me weeks of "discussion". It was later removed regardless. This is unaccceptable as per WP:OWN.
Weather or not if arbitration will accpet the case or not is to be seen when I submit my case. I am waiting for the arbitration queue to heal a bit. I am also overwhelmed with the mess I am dealing with atm most notably on the three rfcs.
-- Cat chi? 14:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


I wanted to give you a heads up about this new "watchdog" in town, Wikipedia:Hurriyya_notice_board, you have been mentioned on it --Kash 23:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


Since we have discussed something similar. What do you think of the tagging of random Turkish provinces with this category? Please note that there has been no offical recognition of such a claim. -- Cat chi? 16:00, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat - to be honest, I'd rather not get any further involved in this - my argumants with regard to the stub category weren't based on any political views on my part, simply on standard stub sorting practice. I know too little about the political issues involved in the area to support either side over the other in general terms. Grutness...wha? 01:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
The main poblem is no one knows anything about it, however people are quick to keep the category. The issue has little to do with politics but is more about people drawing the borders of the proposed country by using categories. I can understand why admins evade pov arguments but there is more to this than just my pov. If I were to tag Paris France under a Category:Germany this would be a violation of WP:POINT and I would be blockded (rightfully), I'd like this category to be treated the same. -- Cat chi? 06:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Mm. I see what you mean. I'd suggest posting about it on WP:AN - chances are you'd get two or three admins there who do know a little about it and who haven't already put themselves offside with one side of the argument via SFD. I'm just concerned that - having already weighed in on the subject there, to do the same elsewhere will make it look like I am on one clear side in this (which I'm not - I can understand both sides of the argument). Certainly something needs to be done to make sure that Wikipedia doesn't appear to be supporting Kurdish independence via stealth. ISTR something similar has happened in the past with articles relating to Macedonia and "Macedonian Greece", so there are admins with expertise on this sort of topic. Grutness...wha? 06:25, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I did post it to the ANB already which got me no real response. I even rfced one of the person involved which also got me nowhere so far even though the party in question does not know english.
I clearly understand your standing. You dont want to appear to be taking sides but I think that is exactly why people are hesitant in interfereing with this kind of behaviour which is why it is continuing.
I mean take a look at the case of vote stacking on Turkish Kurdistan's vfd, an obvious pov fork. Why was it not treated the same as Syrian Kurdistan? The VfD ended unconclusively with the help of the 15 extra votes gathered. I suspect admins were hesitant to touch it in fear of accusations of "Anti-Kuridsh" POV.
-- Cat chi? 08:56, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

sol eclip img filename @ commons

2005 -> 2006, please correct them Yaohua2000 13:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Your wish is my command. Done. :) -- Cat chi? 13:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

An RfC has been filed involving you

The RfC has been filed and is available at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Cool Cat. -Mask Flag of Alaska.svg 19:34, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman


An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 19:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Batman revisited

Hi there Cool Cat, thanks for your reaction. I see you still have some issues with the temporal version. I'll try to adress them here. First of all, as far as I can see the 'proposal' version doesn't contain weasle words. If you do see them, could you point them out to me? We might change those. Secondly, your concern about the 'disclaimer-message'. I think it is inevitable we have a disclaimer here and there in a collaborative encyclopedia like this one. A lot of Wikipedia's articles actually contain disclaimers. The POV-tag is the most famous disclaimer message, probably. However, I think a 'disclaimer' in a footnote is more encyclopedic than a POV-tag. References and footnotes are a procedure used very often in science circles, and generally approved of. I think they will make this a better encyclopedia. Okay, a last request. Have a look at the 'proposal' version for a second time. Could you please tell me whether the 'disclaimer'-footnote covers your concern on the unverifiability of the demographic statement? And if that is the case, could you consider leaving it to the readers to decide whether he accepts the statement as true or not, till we find a better compromise? Cheers,--Hippalus 19:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I do not accept any dislaimer of any kind. {{POV}} ment to be a short term disclaimer. Your disclaimer ment to last till census which is slightly less than 10 years asuming that census will check ethnicity. This has nothing to do with my satisfaction or not. You cannot suggest something then talk about how baseless it is in a disclaimer.
  • The argument by the other party of the discussion is nothing but weasle words.
I realise you are trying hard to come up with a middle ground. Sadly I do not see a middle ground and am not willing to comprimise from my stance at the moment.
-- Cat chi? 20:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey there. I appreciate you took the time to understand what I'm trying to get at. Yeah, I did notice you aren't really open for middle grounds at the moment. It was worth the try looking for them though, wasn't it? Hey, my eye happened to fall on your wikimood index, and I am starting to wonder whether your present uncompromising stance on Batman, Turkey, has anything to do with circumstances elsewhere on Wikipedia. In that case, you might want to consider giving yourself some time to cool down. Maybe in a few days you'll find the energy to work on compromises and consensus again. Yours, --Hippalus 22:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I really appriciate the time and effort you are putting into this. You do understand why I am not comprimising although it really has nothing to do with my wikimood. I contribute to a large range of topics. I am more that willing to comprimise on Fall of Constantinople for instance. On Batman, Turkey however I can't comprimise as I am not willing to accept census data w/o a census. -- Cat chi? 12:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, true, census data without a census would sure be weird. But hey, there seems to be a misunderstanding somewhere. As far as I can see, nobody claims those are census data! The 'proposal-version' even explicitely state that there are in fact no census data.
But anyways, I must express my thanks that you didn't revert the article. That is admirable conduct. Also thanks for asking a neutral third party for his view (when you mentioned your wide range of interest, I had a peek at your 'recent contributions'). I will second your request. Have a nice wiki-evening!--Hippalus 16:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes and without census data we dont mention fractions of ethnicities elsewhere and when we do mention we explicitly state a census hadnt taken place. I havent reverted because its pointless, revert wars are disruptive. -- Cat chi? 18:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, I'm glad you look at it that way. I totally agree.--Hippalus 20:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Fujiwara no Teika peer review request

CC: I remember that you helped me out a bit on the Teika article, so I thought you'd might want to know I'm putting it up for peer review: Wikipedia:Peer review/Fujiwara no Teika. --maru (talk) contribs 17:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


Any idea why the template isn't showing up? It should be on my page but its vanished, and I'm not seeing it anywhere else other than the template page. T K E 18:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

{{wdefcon}} looks fine to me.... :/ -- Cat chi? 09:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I don't know what happened. The template disappeared for a coupld hours yesterday around when I posted this, but it came back. It was probably because of all the commotion on the servers, lots of changes about. Anyway, thanks, nevermind. Oh and you are welcome for the translation! T K E 18:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
It was a misplaced noinclude tag, I noticed it too, and I fixed it. Prodego talk 19:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me know. But you should know no good deed goes unpunished as per Rule #285. I shall fix your userpage. -- Cat chi? 22:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Hurriyya notice board

Have you seen this, your name is there? --ManiF 06:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. -- Cat chi? 09:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

link to porn sites on user page

I removed the link to porn sites that you placed on your user page. Wikipedia may not be censored for the protection of minors, but I do not believe that you are allowed to have porn links on your user page. - Conrad Devonshire 06:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I dont know if I should be annoyed or happy. This means two things:
  1. People actualy read my userpage.
  2. I offended people which annoys me.
Very well, I shall not interfere. -- Cat chi? 09:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Category: Kurdistan

For your information: the question which articles should have the tag 'Category:Kurdistan' is currently being discussed at Category talk:Kurdistan. Yours,--Hippalus 13:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know, however I feel I can contribute little to the debate. Noone there is willing to listen, that includes me as well. -- Cat chi? 17:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, Cool Cat, I just thought you might be interested to voice your opinion. But true, it is better not to join debates in which you are not willing to listen. The reason why I suggested moving the debate to Category talk:Kurdistan is not to give POV-pushers a better chance, but because I saw a new revert war (on the Kurdistan-tag) dawning in Batman. At least editors of all POV's will find their way to Category talk:Kurdistan, which I think is a good thing. I might not join the debate myself, though.--Hippalus 22:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
The problem is if wikipedia policies were enforced I wouldnt be debating. No one would tolerate if I were to tag paris with a Category:Germany or Category:Germanistan. Frankly I was hoping it would be resolved w/o my pov comments at the cfd. But no. A lot of the people voted keep simply to annoy me. Not because of what they felt approporate. You might have already realised but I have a wide range of enemies and perhaps no allies on wikipedia. Even people I trust end up turning their back on me with quite lousy timing. I could whine all day, but it wouldn't do me or you any good.
To keep it short, please pardom me if I am not enthusiastic of any debate involving Kurdistan category on wikipedia.
It has nothing to do with you as if you were trying to annoy me you would come up with something better. I honestly feel you were trying to help mediate the dispute. I attempted to mediate disputes before. All of which ended as a disaster because of the stalker's interference for that I was prohibited to mediate. I just hope you aren't discouraged by this, it really isn't your fault.
-- Cat chi? 23:20, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Kurdistan

Result is unbelievable. Wikipedia is under the invasion of mobs. These people, with common objectives and agenda, form nameless groups and abuse the democracy here as much as they can. Insidious people, schemes, devious methods... I won't spare as much time for this crap as I did before, still I'll try to keep an eye whenever I can. I'd like to thank you for your efforts to counter these shameless POV pushers for so long just by yourself, you are the Lone Cat.

By the way, History of Turkey template is magnificent, best I've seen on Wikipedia, well done. Sağlıcakla kal ve kolay gelsin.--Kagan the Barbarian 16:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

That remains to be seen. I haven't spent any effort yet.
Oh and about the template, I am glad you liked it.
-- Cat chi? 17:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

My userpage

Have a barnstar! For fixing the coding in my userpage, I award Cool Cat this Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar. Prodego talk 21:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't know where you've seen the design, I made it myself(which is why it is broken probably!). That is one of two thinks preventing me from using Firefox- I'm using Maxthon now - the other thing is one of my monobook features(an auto warn button) doesn't work in Firefox. Thanks for your help! Prodego talk 23:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Here is a link of what looks like now, the arrows point to problems Image:User-Prodego in firefox.JPG Prodego talk 23:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Believe or not the design resembles mine in many aspects. But that applies to a lot of pages now. Is this what you want? -- Cat chi? 12:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Well my first design I stole from you actualy, look in the history of User:Prodego/sidebar, and I didn't change the design too much in my new version. But, this new design I did design from scratch, and yes, I like it. Prodego talk 14:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Dont get me wrong nothing makes me happier when people use my designs (I am refering to the wiki-stress meter structure).
Your userpage is really nice. Glad I could help.
-- Cat chi? 21:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the help! Prodego talk 21:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)



Hi Cool Cat, today being April's Fool Day a few admins played a bit too much with blocks (blocking each other), so some trusted users (including a few admins) are now blacklisted. They include it:Utente:Civvi, it:Utente:Red devil 666, it:Utente:Clark Shuster and someone else (as soon as I figure out I'll let you know). Thanks a lot. --Cruccone 21:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Add it:Utente:Paginazero --M7it 21:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

I noticed that you tagged the page Template:Parts of Kurdistan for speedy deletion with the reason "useless template". However, "useless template" is not currently one of our criteria for speedy deletion, so I have removed the speedy deletion tag. You can use WP:TFD if you still want the article to be deleted. Thanks! Stifle 22:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Rose.png

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This media may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:Rose.png. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an argument why we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, consider reading fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, consider checking that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Image legality questions page. Thank you. Nv8200p talk 00:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Starfleet copyright

People are complaining about the copyrights of the images. It is becoming quite ridiclous. You may want to assist. -- Cat chi? 15:24, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll be quite uninvolved with Wikipedia until the end of April. I am in the middle of a military exercise. It is very sad. Paramount can not claim a copyright on three circles worn on a collar, I dont care what people may say. -Husnock 17:35, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
If you can find copyright info about paramount not holding copyrights that would satisfy all parties for certain. I hope to clear this up before your return.
Oh and btw DONT GET HURT during the excercise. Thats an order.
-- Cat chi? 08:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Star Fleet Images

Cool Cat - I saw your post on Ed Poor's page - IAAL - so I was thinking I could lend some expertise in this area - as I pointed out on the featured list page the issue is whether the images can be considered a derivative work or not. Can you get me started on where the images are - and what has been discussed so I can be up to speed on the issue. Thx in adv - Trödel 17:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The images that appear on Starfleet ranks and insignia are mostly in (images wikipedians drew), while others (images found on the web drawn by other Star Trek fans) are on
The discussion commenced at: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Starfleet ranks and insignia. Issue has been discussed inconclusively so far (you know what I mean).
The issue so far basicaly is me and others drawing images of decorations (rank insignias) appeared on the show and weather or not is this to be considered derivative work.
My argument is that if I am able to release photo I toke of Patrick Stewart (Jean-Luc Picard) in a starfleet uniform under a free license I should be able to release rank insignias the same way. You can buy the rank pins/pips and take the photo right? Also most rank insignias are very basic shapes such as 4 circles next to each other.
Anyway else I can help you get started?
-- Cat chi? 20:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Thx - I'll start there - I have 8 closings over the next 3 days but should have some time to research a little. Trödel 20:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

RFC Xebat (Diyako)

Regarding your RFC, that user has been blocked for 1 month because of blatant personal attacks [42],, perhaps the issue can be taken to the ArbCom for arbitration now. --ManiF 13:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Why am I not suprised. It is possible to file a case on arbcom against Diyako but he would be unblocked as soon as arbitration starts.
It might be in the best interest of Diyako as well as all of us to wait a month before we put this to arbitration. Let everything cool a bit perhaps.
-- Cat chi? 13:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


Hi Cool Cat - I'm looking to learn from for your table mastery again... I'm having trouble with userboxes on my userpage this time, making them all stick to the right. See here. I want the Wikiproject boxes and the text to fill in on the left - don't know why it isn't working. Suggestions or edits appreciated. (You can ignore the edit after the link I gave - I reverted the changes so it's not a complete mess). Cheers, Singkong2005 14:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I have tried to fix your page. Better?
I have one advice unrelated to your request: You may want to break your userpage into topic spesific sub pages.
-- Cat chi? 14:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again. Working on your suggestion.
I'm not sure why the right hand box has a large blank left border though. Its width is specified to be 240px, and the boxes inside it specify width: 242px; in their templates, but it won't go narrower.
Can I get your assistance with {{totd b}}? I want to make it more compact but can't make the text wrap around the image. Any suggestions/improvements welcome. (I'm also making a suggestions for change to the Tip of the day format on the talk page.) Thanks! --Singkong2005 04:37, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Is this better? -- Cat chi? 08:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
(Sorry for the delay - I've been trying to figure a few things out.)
Actually it still doesn't seem to want to wrap around the image. Still, if that can't be done, it still works quite well.
I just put the right column stuff into the {{Userboxtop}}/{{Userboxbottom}} thing, and that seems to work okay. My web page will never be as snazzy as yours, but it's definitely a lot easier to read now. Thanks
--Singkong2005 04:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


Hi Cool Cat, I noticed the Architecture section of the Culture of Turkey article was copied from here. I think other parts of the article were copied from there as well. Is text from official Turkish government websites in the Public Domain? If not, it looks like these paragraphs will have to be re-written or deleted. I'm not sure who added the text, but I think I've seen similar copyvios in related articles. --Khoikhoi 01:46, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I am no expert in copyrights but I believe anyone can use anything on a Turkish Gov website as such pages are generaly considered "National Heritage" unless otherwise stated. I also do not believe there is a single case of Turkish Gov sueing anyone for using their stuff. Media for instance ocasionaly uses Turkish gov data while crediting Turkish gov (perhaps in a sense of reporting rather than satisfying some copyright requirement).
However, I am not certain if I can prove such a statement as I am no expert in copyrights.
I'll look for this though.
-- Cat chi? 09:13, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Ah, for this case it is explicitly stated at [43] that: All rights reserved. The copyright of this publication belongs to the Turkish News Agency. The texts and photographs cannot be quoted or used without permission.
Hence you are right it needs to be rewriten/deleted. I nominate you for the job. :)
-- Cat chi? 09:16, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm. :) I asked Saposcat if he could rewrite the copyvio paragraphs, I'm sure he knows a lot more about Turkey's culture than I do. Cheers, Khoikhoi 00:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Another question

Hi, I noticed that you said here that you're not Turkish. Out of shere curiosity, what ethnicity are you? --Khoikhoi 07:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Turkish is a nationality not an ethnicity unlike Turkic.
I do not reveal any personal info on wikipedia or on the internet (a personal policy, nothing personal). So, I will have to decline in answering that. My userpage lists a number of nationalities I have so far been declared by others if you are still interested.
-- Cat chi? 07:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
No problem, I understand.
Wait, what do you think of the Turkish people page then? It's about the Turkic citizens of Turkey. --Khoikhoi 07:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
There are serious pov issues on wikipedia involving Turkey on wikipedia. That one is a great example. Every citizen of Turkey is Turkish. Some Kurds/Turks for example find that insultive and modify the article in question so that it becomes like this. I intend to fix all such factual inacuracies.
-- Cat chi? 07:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Ok, how do you suggest we fix it? We already have People of Turkey and Demographics of Turkey articles. --Khoikhoi 07:22, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
If you take a look at Batman, Turkey it is been declared "predominantly kurdish" with no basis. As in a census establishing ethnicity was never held. My attempts to fix this factual acuracy by stating a census wasnt held even though bbc "claims" the area to be "predominantly kurdish" was reverted on sight.
So I think any attempt to "fix" will result in a revert war. We need to first deal with this kind of infestation. Take a look at Category talk:Kurdistan
-- Cat chi? 07:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm..looks like a sticky situation. BTW, Diyako/Xebat was blocked for 1 month for personal attacks. --Khoikhoi 07:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I am aware. I actualy track every block on wikipedia via my bot which used to serve on #wikipedia-en-vandalism (currently the bot is offline on en).
Oh, infestation such as this happened before and had been dealt with in the past such as the infamous Greek/Macedonian conflict on wikipedia. Something similar will eventualy happen.
-- Cat chi? 07:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but I have a feeling that he may be evading it as Zanyar (talk · contribs). He's listed on WP:RFCU.
The infamous Greek/Macedonian conflict? Which one? --Khoikhoi 07:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
You might want to request a check on that on WP:ANB/I. I do note that he may be a meatpuppet rather than a sockpuppet as in he might be a diferent person with views similar to Diyako. It is also possible that Diyako might have called a friend to take over. but this is mere speculation... ^_^
There was a conflict on the naming of Republic of Macedonia. Note the article is still protected. The dispute isn't just limited to wikipedia as you can see.
This is one of the many examples of infestation on wikipedia.
-- Cat chi? 08:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
As I said, it's already at WP:RFCU, so I think that's fine. Yeah, perhaps - I'm pretty sure it's him however.
Actually, I'm the one who got Alex to protect that page. Notice that some Macedonian editor - Dipazi (talk · contribs) spammed the talk pages of a bunch of Turkish editors asking them to vote. --Khoikhoi 08:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Never the less... It is suprising the page was ever unlocked. Given that dispute. Great work you caughed a vote stacking in progress and managed to get attention. I wasnt so fortunate on the VfD of Turkish Kurdistan...
According to [44] I do feel he may be a sockpuppet... At least one other person shares your concern. But if he is using sockpuppets that really is a "positive" sign. That means his block will we extended at the very least.
there is a backlog on the check user page... Hmm...
-- Cat chi? 08:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
InShaneee also suspects this. I have a feeling that if it's him, he may be using this account from a different location. --Khoikhoi 08:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Which may be the house accross or he might be using a proxy (open or closed). You can fake your location with little effort these days and as far as I care, diyako is determined enough for all of that. Also he might have a dinamic ip. -- Cat chi? 08:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Shhhh! Don't give him any ideas! ;) --Khoikhoi 08:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh I dealt with this kind of behaviour on a daliy basis. Sockpuppetary is very easy to catch. -- Cat chi? 08:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


I notice you have been involved recently with the development of a number of policy initiatives. While there is no procedural bar against this, please allow me to suggest that you may be more effective if you concentrate on one or two at a time. Do understand that I'm not implying in any way that you have run afoul of any guideline here; only that you may not be as effective as you would like. If there's any way I can help, please let me know. John Reid 13:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I do not mind if the stuff I proposed is supported/opposed/ignored. I am merely trying to come up with ideas that would make wikipedia a better and more troll-free enviorment. Don't ger me wrong I would like my proposals to be implimented, I just dont have the patience/time to polish and perfect them alone.
Generally stuff I sugguest is ignored until someting big happens. Semi-protect was my one of my ideas... It was implimented after the not so pleasant appearance of Wikipedia on CNN.
I however thank you for your advice. I am not declining it, but I am not certain how to proceed. I do not mind if you may want to assist with the proposals' polish etc.
-- Cat chi? 13:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for taking your response seriously, I was under the impresion you were trying to help policies I propose pass. Instead it appears you are campaigning against it, I do not think higly of accusations I recieve. Implying a hidden motive isn't any better. Please don't waiste my time with similar comments in the future. -- Cat chi? 14:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


I found this proposed policy, and I really like the way it's starting to shape up. I've made some spelling changes and whatnot, but no substance additions yet. I believe if this policy continues developing in an acceptable manner it could become accepted by the community. Any specific help you might want on it? -Mask Flag of Alaska.svg 15:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, for one we need spesific examples of what can be considered "infestation".
Greek/Macedonian conflict over the naiming of Republic of Macedonia may be a good example.
I prefer not to present conflicts (I am biased in conflicts I am involved with after all) I was a part of as examples but I do not mind you presenting them.
-- Cat chi? 16:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah! Wish, One More Time!

Thank you for the fix. -- Cat chi? 19:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. I hope you find some time to expand the article. Regards, --Tone 19:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I was hoping you would join the quest... -- Cat chi? 19:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

User page

The addition looks fabulous, just one wee request, because I can't work out how you did what you did, could you center the ribbons below the three images rather than have them to the left please? Cheers. -- Francs2000 20:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Your wish is my command. -- Cat chi? 20:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Email Usernames

I wish they would be. I think that a fair amount of the CHU requests are 'please change to just xxx' — Ilyanep (Talk) 03:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


Sorry to hear things are the way they are, tinhgs were getting bad for me but are looking up. I hope you don't mind me asking why you were banned from IRC. I remember the days of computer3 and you in there; there was nothing like it. Hope things get better for you. --Pilot|guyFlughafensymbol.png 02:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure, probably because I booted pgkbot off of the chan in frustration... Apperantly that was one of Essjay's rules I violated, the rules he came up with on my channel without asking me. -- Cat chi? 11:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

DefCon boxes

Hey Cool Cat. In reference to the DefCon boxes which you marked for speedy. Would you object to them instead being 'de-userfied' into template space? It seems like alot of people are using them currently. --CBDunkerson 14:39, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

The wikipedia comunity (made out of few determined users) have hammered me for creating the defcon template etc.. They forced/ordered me to move them to my userspace or else they would vandalise/maliciously edit the templates in question. So if you want to move them to templatespace, good luck.
I dont care what happens to it so long as it isnt in my userspace since I am not allowed to participate in rc patrol, I do not want anything implying I have anything to do with WP:CVU.
-- Cat chi? 18:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Image:Counter Vandalism Unit.png

Can you delete every page on my userspace that displays this image? -- Cat chi? 19:00, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Just confirm, every page? ×Meegs 19:02, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
They are all files that have fragments of my vandalism detection bot. Since I can no longer run it the pages have no purpose.
I'd like to renote only files in my userspace.
Thank you. -- Cat chi? 19:55, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
All done. Image:Coolcat's CVU FAQ1.png is now an orphan, by the way. Take care. ×Meegs 22:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Category:PKK victims

I'd like to note, we do not like declaring organisations as 'terrorist' on wikipedia as per WP:NPOV as well as WP:Avoid.

The reason is actualy simple: "Who determines who is terrorist". Many will agree that the US is a terrorist entity. I for one dont feel that way about the US. But you do see my point. Hence it is never approporate to have that in the article. Hence why the category in question must go.

Any disagreements? -- Cat chi? 20:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat,
I totally agree with you, you must have mistaken what I meant in the edit summary, I was being sarcastic, because edits like these are obvious POV.
BTW, do you have any idea what this means?
--Khoikhoi 20:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Please evade sarcasm on edit summaries and try to minimise confusion.
Something about an RfA of yours... I am not really certain. -- Cat chi? 20:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I apologize, thanks. --Khoikhoi 20:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
BTW, would you please be able to explain the the same thing to User:Hattusili? Thanks. --Khoikhoi 20:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I am not certain what you are trying to say, its a userpage... what about it?
-- Cat chi? 20:30, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
You said to me "we do not like declaring organisations as 'terrorist' on wikipedia as per WP:NPOV as well as WP:Avoid." Could you please say the same thing to him? --Khoikhoi 20:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


I was informed by Khoikhoi to inform you about a few wikipedia policies/rules regarding how 'terrorism' is to be treated.

Firstly we try to evade contraversial accusations whenever we can. For example declaring the United States or Turkey is out of the question. Same goes to organisations like Hamas, PKK, IRA, Hezbollah, Al-quadia...

It is ok to say that these organisations are recognised as terrorist by a number of countries, it just isn't ok to name-call them as terrosit.

Hope this helps.

-- Cat chi? 21:03, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but there are pages about IRA,ETA or 9/11 victims, and nobody opposes when we call IRA ETA or Al-Qaeda as terrorist organisations. What is the privilege of PKK? If the press of your country is independent you should have seen the events going in last few days!!! --Hattusili 06:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I for one view the IRA, Al-quida, hamas, ETA, PKK as terrorist. I also do not trust the media... that includes all media.
PKK has no special privilage. On the article why dont you write about the events going on last few days? If the events in question are terrorist, the reader will conclude to that end. Sep/11 for example is portrayed as just an attack even though it is perhaps one of the worst example of barbarism in modern human history. I view it as a terrorist attack and I would revert any edit talking about sep/11th as a terrorist attack. On that article it is ok to talk about people intentionaly flying planes into buildings, it is not ok to talk about people commiting terrorist acts.
I am trying to get rid of pov categories such as Category:Kurdistan etc. as well as Category:PKK victims.
-- Cat chi? 08:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me in this subject, I will consider your critisism in my future articles. I don't want to be offensive; the only thing I want to do is create neutral articles about Turkey. You are right, the reader must decide if an act is a terrorist attack or not. thanks--Hattusili 08:53, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

If you got any questions, I'd be more than welcome to help in any way I can. I am not criticising you, I am merely pointing out a few wikipedia policies. -- Cat chi? 09:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Jesus Christ, now the user is spamming the talk pages of every user in Category:User tr about it. This is ridiculous. --Khoikhoi 07:06, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm only informing the people related with this subject. And also why don't we use Wikipedia:Categories for deletion section to provide a consensus?? --Hattusili 02:11, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
What you're telling them is a different story. Categories for deletion is only necessary for things that don't meet speedy deletion standards. --Khoikhoi 07:12, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


Long time, no speak --Adam1213 Talk + 00:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey there, glad you are along. How can I help? -- Cat chi? 08:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

External links on Kurdistan Workers Party tagged for speedy deletion

An article that you have been involved in editing, External links on Kurdistan Workers Party, has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. AmiDaniel (Talk) 09:51, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

General political support for a Kurdistan-based agenda in Turkey's (as well as the primarily concerned regions)

Hello Cool Cat! First, I would like to express my appreciation of your cool, balanced and constructive interventions on a number of subjects, as I could notice to this day.

My objective in drawing up a table of election results covering (more or less) the last decade was to shake the (occasional) misconception that there might be a population inhabiting the concerned region gathered behind the idea of politically promoting their specifities and pursuing an agenda based on a term separate from the rest of the country. There are many cases of ethnicities (or specific population masses in a given region) constituting "blocks" of varying political strength (Quebec, Flanders, Northern Italy, Kosovo). The table I prepared does not suggest the evident existence of such a block in the 20 Turkish provinces concerned, although one political party is certainly notable in some of these. There is not just "one" ethnically-based specificity in the region, and by and large the region's political trends are in line and evolving within the same structure as the rest of the country. I am keeping it as a counterweight to the map present in many K-related articles (and strangely indicating the airports in a wider geography???) in case the issue gains prominence. I do believe that inhabitants/governments can be influent on the naming of geographies. As a final remark, the map on the German wikipedia is somehow different, with the outlet to sea theory having been realized and tainted with more furious colors. As if someone had hummed the tune, "Mapmaker mapmaker, make me a map! Make me a perfect map!". Sometimes one image can shape the entire chain of perceptions in a subject matter. Regards. --Cretanforever 19:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Here we go again...

User:CltFn just moved Ottoman Armenian casualties to Ottoman Armenian victims. Based on other encounters with this user, I don't think he is going to listen to me. Please help. --—Khoikhoi 04:18, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Now he's editing the Armenian Genocide page. --—Khoikhoi 05:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I refuse to touch Armenian Genocide (article is practicaly owned) but I have moved Ottoman Armenian casualties page back to its proper title. -- Cat chi? 15:31, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. —Khoikhoi 18:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
BTW, the definition at the Turkish people article has changed a bit since last time I showed it to you. —Khoikhoi 19:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Looks much better. There is ofcourse room for progress... -- Cat chi? 21:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Happy Easter

Everyone else seems to have stolen all the good Easter pictures and stuff, but I wish you a Happy Easter all the same. FireFoxT [15:51, 16 April 2006]

Domo Arigato, happy easter to you too. -- Cat chi? 19:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Aa! Megamisama TV (Season 2)

Ummm... not quite sure where to really put this, and I thank you for enjoying my synopsis of the first episode. And if you don't mind me helping, I'd love to help out with the series. (I'm not really good with Wiki yet, so there's still much for me to learn.) But thank you again, and I'll be around to help out as much as I can. ^.^ (Xiaoyung 13:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC))

Season 1 also needs some work so you can jump on that
I'd be glad to help you in any way I can.
-- Cat chi? 18:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I'll poke around a little bit when I have a little more time. At the moment, I have a ton of work until the end of the semester for school. So I'll probably go back through some of the others when I'm done with the semester about Mid-May or so, it that's okay with you. -- Xiaoyung 17:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

That's ok. The anime will be there in mid may. :) -- Cat chi? 06:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Fixing My Userpage

Thanks for fixing the puppet master box on my userpage! I was looking around for a gender specific version of the box (as it seems quite unnecessary to be gender neutral when the gender of the user is clearly known), and I never even thought to try a second paramater! I guess should have actually looked at the wikicode for the template. But, again, thank you for fixing it... I need all the help I can get :->. AmiDaniel (Talk) 07:14, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh I added the wiki code for the extra parameter. :) -- Cat chi? 07:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


Hey there, I was wondering if you were busy for the future few days.

I am having pov issues on several articles which a person with your talents would be able to deal with ease. -- Cat chi? 13:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner: what did you want me to do? -- Francs2000 09:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
I have been trying to get attention on the articles related to Kurds and Kurdistan for quite some time now (with lttle/no success). I was wondering if you could assist me in dealing with a few pov issues on the related articles such as Category:Kurdistan and/or Turkish Kurdistan as well as Batman Province and city.
I do not know how much you know on the topic, but I think you can be a reasonable outside view even if you know nothing.
-- Cat chi? 09:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't really know what use I can be but I'll have a look when I have a moment. Which sections on the talk pages in particular would you like me to take a look at? -- Francs2000 22:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Although please hang on till tomorrow: I've had enough death threats and pillocks for one night already... -- Francs2000 23:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
I am in no hurry. Take your time.
Whevever you have the time, take a look at Category Talk:Kurdistan#Response
Death threats are generaly the sign of fine work. I used to have a death threat counter on my userpage at a point though no one thretened me so far... I kinda feel useless at times because of that ;)
-- Cat chi? 07:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism Detection Bot

Hey. Sorry about what's going on with the channel and all. I'm just wondering why you would need to replace '#wikipedia-en-vandalism' by hand? Is there not a find and replace function in whatever you use to code your bot? — Ilyanep (Talk) 01:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The code does not contain the channel name of channels in its code anymore. It generates #wikipedia-en-vandalism from wikimedia channel #en.wikipedia. If the channel was meta.wikimedia the freenode channel would be #wikimedia-meta-vandalism. This is a standard with version 2.0 of my bot.
  • The reason for this is to increase efficency of the bot so it doesnt lag.
It is technicaly posible to introduce an if/else structure and give en.wikipedia an exception. This would probably take me weeks since I'd have to practicaly double the amount of code the bot has. This would also decrease bots efficency by 50% as there would be twice the amount of code now.
Another problem is that many files (with fragmets of code such as language files) and hashtables expect the channel name of the channel to be in the standard #wikipedia-xx-vandalism format.
Yet another problem is my moving of 12+ channels... I am not keen on moving an armada of channels.
There are perhaps other problems I haven't even thought about.
#wikipedia-en-vandalism is a redirect channel and hence isn't used. All it takes is half a minute of work (asigning it a new password etc) to turn the channel something useful. The bot was working on the channel for months.
-- Cat chi? 06:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh...well that's unfortunate :( Hope you can get your bot working soon. — Ilyanep (Talk) 19:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I can the second Essjay decides to cooperate, unless that happens the bot wont function. I will not spend months recoding the bot just to satisfy Essjay's ego. And from my standing that is the only problem... -- Cat chi? 07:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

UK Chat

Hi, you said some really nasty things to UK Chat and now he's really upset. I suggest you apologise at once.--Judge Rahman 08:24, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Judge Rahman (talk · contribs) is quite a new user who claims he isnt a sockpuppet on his/her/its userpage. I for one am sceptical... Should I ask for a sock puppet check? -- Cat chi? 08:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
That's up to you tbh, though I have left a message for the above user stating that I stand by my remarks and the reason why. -- Francs2000 11:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

They were warned that if their behaviour continued they would be blocked from editing, and I would have made it a permanent block. They ceased editing from that point. I am intrigued however how UK Chat could contact Judge Rahman, seeing as the latter does not have email enabled in their preferences. If not sockpuppetry, I at least suspect meatpuppetry at work... -- Francs2000 11:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Ture, but from where I am standing they are only here to troll and not about creating an encyclopedia... They/He/She arent/isnt really worth the effort. :) -- Cat chi? 16:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The September 11, 2001 attacks

Hi this is from the September 11 page "The September 11, 2001 attacks (9/11 or September 11th) were a series of terrorist attacks on the morning of September 11th in the United States, which consequently resulted in the death of nearly 3,000 people." Can you please warn the users editing this page about wikipedia policies/rules regarding how 'terrorism' is to be treated. thanks --Hattusili 17:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I have fixed it on the article and mentioned my modification on the articles talk page. It should be taken care of now. I would warn the user adding "terrorist" but I am not certain who that is. -- Cat chi? 18:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Prohibited from mediating as per ArbCom hearing.


I am prohibited from mediating as per ArbCom hearing.
Could you provide a reference to that ruling? I'm almost sure that ArbCom doesn't regulate informal mediation this way. Informal mediation already happens when you help two editors in a dispute to resolve their dispute. --Fasten 11:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek.
As per that I cannot mediate even though I feel I am more than qualified to do so as all my failed attempts were a complete failiure beacuse of interference from Davenbelle and Stereotek.
-- Cat chi? 14:37, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Your claim that your bot cannot use a different channel

This claim is not very convincing. Did you write the bot in assembly language that relies on the channel name as a code fragment or what could be the reason? --Fasten 13:17, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

The bot uses the channel name on to preform several functions.
  • If the channel name on wikimedia server is lets say #es.wikipedia or #es.wikinews, the bot would speak in spanish.
  • The bot will post events to #wikipedia-es-vandalism (for #es.wikipedia) and #wikinews-es-vandalism (for #es.wikinews).
  • All logs would be saved to a large number of files (several thousand for en) under varius filenames generated by using the channel name. The bots files for en.wikpedia en.wikinews are generated using the channels name.
  • Access list of several hundered people will also have to be 'moved'.
  • The entier process would take me weeks to months of extra work as the move will generate bugs as well as other things. I do not want to spend time for that which I can be using doing other things such as improving the bot, adding features, editing wikipedia... you know...
In order the bot to work in any other channel I would have to restructure the bots code for all channels the bot operates for (thats over 14 channels). I would also have to rename practicaly every file and folder. Alternatively I could include a special if case for en which would decrease efficency by 50% since there will be twice as many checks.
The problem I am facing with this issue is a product of bots efficency. The code can work on all wikis because of this feature.
-- Cat chi? 14:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

non-english Redirect delete

Last time I checked, non-english was not a speedy deletion criteria for redirects while it is for articles even then they are not speedied but put for deletion. I hope you will correct your error at once. -- Cat chi? 21:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cool Cat! I didn't delete for not being in English (although the user who nominated did so for that reason, using fairly unpleasant language). I deleted for CSD-R3, implausible typo. It struck me as an odd situation: non-English language redirects that had no history and nothing linked to them, with no details as to why on the talk pages. After all, it's not something we commonly - or at all - do with redirects.
But if there was a point, I'll happily undelete but the reasoning needs to be added to the talk page (I'll add it myself if you like). But I'd really like to know what it is! :o) Cheers mate! ➨ REDVERS 21:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to know who this individual is and what he said. He isn't anyone I am tracking so I did not notice the articles speedy tagging. As I created the redirect today I more than suspect stalking. (I have very few friends on wikipedia and quite a number of enemies (mostly vandals such as User:MARMOT))
The redirect for ああっ女神さまっ それぞれの翼 is the official title of the series. The series is a japanese one and it is only logical for it to link to the respective article. It is an alternative speling of the series.
Situation is very simmilar to Allah. The article in question explains the muslim deity/god and the name is of arabic origin. The arabic script links to the page if I recall correctly.
Sorry for the confortious initial attitide. I am kinda under stress and loose my cool easily these days... Yes its one of those times...
-- Cat chi? 21:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey, no worries! I'll get my undelete boots on now. I don't reckon this type of redirect would survive an RfD-type process, but about 100 similar redirects were all nominated by a single anon, at speed, earlier today. I did a couple (some of them were persuasively weird) as I was on CSD patrol at the time, then got bored and went for a cup of tea. When I got back they'd all gone, either speedied or despeedied, I didn't look. I was just grateful it wasn't my problem!
Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg
Sorry about your stress, BTW, and apologies if I added to it. Here, have a virtual cup of tea as a pointless and patronising gesture on my part. ;o) ➨ REDVERS 22:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Done! Histories of ああっ女神さまっ それぞれの翼 merged back together, interestingly removing my existence from the article's history altogether. HTH! ➨ REDVERS 22:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
So long as people keep their hailing frequencies open and phasers put aside, there is no reason for me to feel stressed. Thank you for your kind touch in processing this matter. Hopefully it was as pleasant for you as it was as pleasant for me. You have no idea how rare I get to work with people these days.
What you are telling me is a bit trobling. Is there a list of the speedies by this annon. It sounds most distressing even though a delete is a reversable process. I just want to make sure no valid redirect slips by and stay deleted.
-- Cat chi? 01:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Right - you're not going to like this! I've done some research and, by digging around in the logs I've found the complete list of non-English redirects deleted yesterday after being nominated by (talk · contribs · count). The ones that survived are in that anon's contributions list. There's also something on the talk page, where an editor has asked the anon to stop nominating.
So, that complete list: it's a long one. I'll print it below to save you having to dig the info out for yourself. Three admins did the deleting (all in good faith, like me, I'm sure: these were odd redirects and were nominated for deletion by someone else, so it's not rogue admins on the prowl!). The bad news: there's currently a big kick on wheel-warring, with it not being unknown for permanent blocks to be handed out for undoing the actions of admins; so I'm not willing to undelete these, I'm afraid. Chickenshit. ➨ REDVERS 10:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the log. No I would not want you to end up overiding another admin, I know that kind of stuff can get quite nasty in no time. I'd not want you to get stressed. I will however talk to the admins deleting the pages. I know at least one of them to be a very reasonable person. Like I said, phasers vs hailing frequencies. I'll choose the latter. -- Cat chi? 13:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Non english redirects - Mackensen

I have noticed/been notified that you have deleted quite a number of non-english redirect pages (a list is avalible on my talk page). I was wondering if you were willing to undelete them since it isn't in accordance with the speedy deletion criteria.

It is common practice to use redirects to link official names of the organisations, places, tv shows, games, etc to the article with the most comon english name.

-- Cat chi? 13:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I hope I'm the reasonable one ;). Yes, I'll start undeleting those. At the time, I was simply dealing what appeared to be a gigantic backlog in CAT:CSD. Mackensen (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Well I only know Doc glasgow, but you are more than reasonable. No harm done, and thank you for your efforts. I know while dealing with backlogs things may slip by. :) -- Cat chi? 16:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Non english redirects - Ragib

I have noticed/been notified that you have deleted quite a number of non-english redirect pages (a list is avalible on my talk page). I was wondering if you were willing to undelete them since it isn't in accordance with the speedy deletion criteria.

It is common practice to use redirects to link official names of the organisations, places, tv shows, games, etc to the article with the most comon english name.

-- Cat chi? 13:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, just like Mackensen, I was cleaning a backlog in CSD. I'm not totally sure about the redirect-in-other-languages issue, i.e. whether it is speediable, so I left a clarification request in WP:ANB. I'd be happy to undelete the redirects once the policy regarding this is clarified. Thanks. --Ragib 20:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. :) -- Cat chi? 09:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)


  • Time, date, deleting admin, page deleted, (comment - usually automatically generated)
  1. 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 姚重華 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Emperor Shun')
  2. 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 파리의 연인 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Lovers In Paris')
  3. 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 진양호 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Jinyang Lake')
  4. 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 조선왕조 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Joseon Dynasty')
  5. 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 조선 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Joseon Dynasty')
  6. 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 이상은 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect Lee Tzsche')
  7. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 위키백과 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Wikipedia')
  8. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 옥수수차 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Oksusu cha')
  9. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 여의도 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Yeouido')
  10. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 신중현 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect Shin Jung-hyeon')
  11. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 스트래스필드 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Strathfield, New South Wales')
  12. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 수정과 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Sujeonggwa')
  13. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 동서대학교 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Dongseo University')
  14. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 白露 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Bailu')
  15. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 白井竜 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Shirai Ryu')
  16. 21:02, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 実戦パチスロ必勝法! 北斗の拳 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Jissen PachiSlot Hisshou Hou! PachiSlot Hokuto no Ken')
  17. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 黒田 清隆 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Kuroda Kiyotaka')
  18. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 首都圏中央連絡自動車道 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Ken-O Expressway')
  19. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 谷雨 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Guyu')
  20. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 角宿二 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Zeta Virginis')
  21. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 虞舜 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Emperor Shun')
  22. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 破邪巨星Gダンガイオー (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect:Great Dangaioh')
  23. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 破邪大星ダンガイオー (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect:Dangaioh')
  24. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted マリみて (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Maria-sama ga Miteru')
  25. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マンキー (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Mankey')
  26. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マルマイン (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Electrode (Pokémon)')
  27. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マリア様がみてる (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Maria-sama ga Miteru')
  28. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マタドガス (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Weezing')
  29. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マッピー (コンピューターゲーム) (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirectMappy')
  30. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ポニータ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Ponyta')
  31. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ポケットモンスター (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Pokémon')
  32. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 김일성 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Kim Il-sung')
  33. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ベロリンガ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Lickitung')
  34. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 김일성장군의 노래 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect Kim Il-sung')
  35. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ベトベトン (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Muk')
  36. 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 김형곤 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Kim Hyung-Gon')
  37. 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted ワリオワールド (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Wario World Category:Redirects from Japanese words/names')
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mIRC script for #wikipedia-de-vandalism


somehow the access rights got blown away; I can't execute bl add or bnu add due to lacking access... may you please be so kind and give "HardDisk_WP" normal access rights again?

thanks, de:User:HardDisk@ 19:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

ps: the bot should not escape wikilinks in [[]]s with () and other special chars because chatzilla double-escapes them when clicking.

Done. -- Cat chi? 19:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC) the way: would you assist me to port the script to PHP and move it to the m:Toolserver then?
greets,de:User:HardDisk@ 23:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Kurdistan

The vote was peppered with votestacking and cannot be seen as concensus. -- Cat chi? 20:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah well, ok. There was votestacking from from the other side, however. (mostly the work of TuzsuzDeliBekir) —Khoikhoi 22:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Like I said... there is vote stacking... I am not trying to find blame. Hence the vote has no value. Syrian Kurdistan however is based on concensus. -- Cat chi? 22:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


Hi. I placed myself up for constructive critisism on WP:ER. I'd appreciate it if you could comment there. As a senior member of the community, I think your words would be good for me. And my apologies for my removal for your rfa link, I hope you accept I was only attempting to help.-ZeroTalk 19:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

No harm done. The top of my talk page is a place where I keep my ongoing disputes. Sometimes those are red links for what I'm planning. I genealy hope to resolve the dispute w/o rfcs or rfars. That is one of the reasons why that link has stayed as a red link.
I do not believe there are any seniority among wikipedia comunity
-- Cat chi? 00:55, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
I believe a certain understanding of wikipedia entells when one spends enough time on site. You and I have been wikipedians for over a year now. I think that means we should have some amount of seniority. -ZeroTalk 04:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Kurd issue

Feel free to signal me whenever you are ready. :) -- Cat chi? 13:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot.  :-( -- Francs2000 13:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Thought so :) Well since I have your attention now I was wondering if you could take a look at Batman, Turkey and Batman Province. In my belief we stay away from demographics claims that are not based on actual census but rather estimates of lets say the BBC.
I also feel the disclaimer is disgusting on Batman, Turkey. See my version
Also I whelmingly oppose the presence of a Category:Kurdistan on this article.
-- Cat chi? 13:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I have written something over at Talk:Batman, Turkey about how the article should be phrased regarding the population of Kurds in the city. I'll have a look at the category later, but right now I have to get back to work (i.e. what I'm being paid to do!) -- Francs2000 14:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Money is good ;) -- Cat chi? 15:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Fujiwara no Teika

Per the Peer Review, where you said you found the clan business confusing: I've reworked that section. Is the new version clearer? --maru (talk) contribs 01:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes. It explains why poetry was significant and what it had to do with clans. Looks much better. I think it can be a FA now. :) -- Cat chi? 10:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Batman, Turkey

I was being civil... I am curious what I said had offended you. -- Cat chi? 15:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Be careful of what you write - you may not have meant it to be sarcastic, but that's the way it came across. I'm going to be offline now because I have work to do so if I don't respond until tomorrow it's not because I'm ignoring you. -- Francs2000 15:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I... dont know what to say. OK. I am sorry for that. No sarcasm or offense was intended.
Regarding the info you provided. I have this [45]. It talks about Turkish goverments denial to accpet its Kurdish population. The site isnt neutral but the site claims the source is the US Gov.
I could not find this report but I have found this [46] which is the US embasy in stockholm
Thats all I got for now.
-- Cat chi? 15:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Here's something that's going to piss you off...

I always suspected that User:Retau was a sockpuppet of Diyako/Xebat, but now I'm almost certain. Check his latest contributions - he just created Category:Kurdish cities and added it to articles like Kahramanmaraş Province and Kirkuk. Besides, Xebat is currently blocked for 2 months (and will probably be banned for one year), so it makes sense why he would try to evade it. Just wanted to let you know. —Khoikhoi 04:20, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Shukran for that. I have placed him under survelance.
I also have placed two of the stub categories he created for speedy deletion as we already voted that they were inaprorate.
I also requested a sockpuppet check on him.
Enjoy the fireworks... :)
-- Cat chi? 10:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hehehe. :) Have you also noticed Category:Kurdish provinces? How POV can you get? —Khoikhoi 17:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Kurdistan/Kurd stubs

I deleted the politician stub, but I think you should TfD this one: {{Kurdistan-bio-stub}}. - FrancisTyers 11:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Is that really necesary? Same arguments apply. And both were created by the same person whom is also a suspected sockpuppet (not just by me). -- Cat chi? 11:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
We have {{africa-bio-stub}}, which isn't a country. The TfD seemed to deal with just politicians. - FrancisTyers 11:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Well... You love burocracy, I'll give you that. Done. However I expect nothing less than vote stacking... -- Cat chi? 11:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


Is it posible for you to have a talk page link? :) -- Cat chi? 11:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hah, tired of seeing my face? :)) Well, I considered it, but I don't really know how to do a personalised sig, and I'm not sure I really approve of the whole practice. Perhaps I could have a very reserved version? - FrancisTyers 11:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Your face is nice, but I'd prefer a pretty girl instead :P
I'll tutor you in the process, its actualy quite simple. Click preferances sellect the checkbox for "raw signatures". And replace the field (labeled "Nickname:") with something like:
[[User:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] [[User talk:FrancisTyers|Talk]]
It is the same wiki code, nothing special. Of course you can make it beultiful like my simple sig. :)
-- Cat chi? 12:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Ongoing discussion

have you read my comment on your talk page. You archived w/o responding (I just dont want you to miss anything :) ) -- Cat chi? 10:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

It's in my to do file - I know where the comment is, I just can't do anything about it just at this moment in time. I like to archive my talk page when the number of messages reaches an orderly figure: call me obsessive-compulsive if you want to! -- Francs2000 12:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh I was just concerned about accidental archiving. Have you happen to take a look at my archive(s)? I am ten times worse than you ^_^. Oh I dont mind if you steal my format. -- Cat chi? 12:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

oki, it seems that people can talk how they want and accuse someone to be another

I am new here and don´t now exactly how to write and answer to some stupid comments.. these words are wrong choosen, for second I don´t understand why the admin even listen to this people on of their kind. as I have said before, I want to make it clear to everybody what is what and what is not User:Retau

In my view you are innocent till proven guilty so I will treat you like a newbie.
One thing you need to learn is civility. You dont declare comments by others as "stupid". See WP:NPA for this rule.
We have a set of rules and processes we use. You cannot just try to change that. You have recreated something wikipedia comunity decided was not approporate and I am refering to the stub type you have created which was deleted.
I do not understand what you mean by 'what is what and what is not'.
-- Cat chi? 19:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


Hi, I notice that three arbitrators have considered your application and voted to reject, because Muhamed hasn't edited English Wikipedia for over a month. Would you mind if I closed this request without prejudice? If he ever returns to English Wikipedia and his behavior continues to present a problem, you will be able to re-open the request at any time. --Tony Sidaway 22:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Thats possible but I was really hoping for some sort of general ruling that discourages such behaviour.
I know it is common sense, so I do not believe it is too hard to make it a policy. But if you feel that isn't possible feel free to close it.
-- Cat chi? 22:59, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Cool Cat/Legend...

I hope you don't mind but I did some slight modifications to the legend including making it so that it only included the top portion without the examples if transcluded into a page, and I also changed it slightly so that it has a header to that section only when transcluded but doesn't appear on the original version. Feel free to revert if you don't like them but I hope they help make it look better. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 05:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I do mind. And all I have to say is thank you. :) Keep up the good work. and no I have no problem with it, and infact I actualy like it. :) Hence I refuse to revert -- Cat chi? 23:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Please help

Hi. Can you please explain to this user why the additon of those categories are POV? I'd do it myself, but he hates me. —Khoikhoi 06:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, there's also a Category:Turkish terrorists. —Khoikhoi 23:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Already done. I also have placed the head category up for deletion and all its sub categories. -- Cat chi? 15:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)



I've read the archive 1 of the PKK articles Talk Page and all I can say is that you are highly biased. I do not think you should be contributing to the PKK article. The information you provide is inaccurate on every section of the article. I think this biased is due to the event you have included in during you in the GAP project. You also very oftenly use in your arguments the fact that Turgut Ozal had Kurdish ties but you do not mention that by many it is believed that he was murdered. What you provide for the article has a POV and I would like to ask you to stop your hatred on the PKK and Kurds because I as a Kurd see what you call a Terrorist Organisation a solution to the Kurdish Problem. Finally, you've said that it is not a bad idea for the Turkish nationalist to force everyone to be one nationality. I am sorry but that is not the way it is. There is over 20 million Kurds in Turkey and many do not want to be called Mountain Turks. What Ataturk did was a big mistake he tried to make everyone Turkish, he couldn't accept differences and I see a problem there, I see a big mistake that is still continuing. Ozgurgerilla 09:08, 1 May 2006

Frankly, I think you must not be telling which articles I or anyone shouldn't edit.
I also do not understand why the heck are you sharing your beliefs with me. From what I can see you are at least ten times more biased than myself.
-- Cat chi? 13:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I think I have the freedom to ask somebody to not contribute on a particular article if I believe that person is biased. Because I have close ties with the PKK I do not want to contribute on the PKK article. I believe you have national sympathy towards the Turks, at the least, I dig this from your contributions. Please let people with NPOV to contribute. I take your "at least ten times more biased" comment as nonsense. Ozgurgerilla 04:24, 2 May 2006
You are correct, "at least ten times more biased" comment was indeed nonsense.
People do not have NPOV. WP:NPOV is a wikipedia policy which dictates articles be written in a neutral tone. For instance calling PKK a "terrorist" organisation is out of the question. It is also out of the question to declare it as a "freedom fighting" organisation.
You do not have the freedom to ask anyone not contribute on a particular article as per WP:NPOV, WP:CIVIL, and a large number of non-negotiable wikipedia policies.
I have sympathy towards Turks, Kurds, Greeks, Americans, Japanese, and a long list of people. I believe it would be imposible for me to edit any wikipedia article if that was a problem.
You are welcome to cycle through my contributions, I have nothing to hide. If you check deep enough, you will discover that I have reverted people adding "terrorist" referance to articles such as the PKK, or Sep 11th attacks. What you may not see is the deletions I have gotten involved. I have for example recently gotten Category:Kurdish Terrorists deleted. I also gotten Category:Turkish Terrorists deleted.
So as a new editor please do not attempt to dictate what I can do and cannot do. If you want to work with me, you are welcome to do so. If so, how can I help you?
-- Cat chi? 17:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

IRC bot

Hi. I've ask you, some time ago, to put a irc bot on wikipedia-pt-vandalism. Is it working properly ? I cannot send commands to the bot (actually i dont remenber what commands it accepts. lijealso 00:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I'll add you to the bots database so you have access. Saying Computer Help in channel will give you the list of the commands you can use. -- Cat chi? 13:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok. My IRC nick is the same as my username: "lijealso". Thanks. lijealso 20:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
You now have full access :) -- Cat chi? 05:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


It has been split as you suggested, so if you feel like helping in the sorting or recruiting others, you're more than welcome. :) Aelfthrytha 05:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the barnstar. I'm glad you enjoy my contributions. (^_^) --日本穣 Nihonjoe 19:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Blended wing spacecraft

I've seen all of Planetes (twice!) and I'm rather familiar with NASA, so I feel qualified to comment on this ... NASA sure as hell didn't lift the design for the blended wing spacecraft from an anime. Designs of that nature have been kicking around for decades. If anything, Planetes used the real-life prototypes as a model for their vision of what spacecraft might look like in the future. If you watch the extras discs on the special edition DVDs you'll see that they conducted various interviews with NASA to make sure they got all of their science right. So Planetes took the design from NASA, not the other way around. --Cyde Weys 20:00, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

That is of course true. Creating an aircraft design is a delicate, tiring process requiring lots of hard work and donuts. NASA of course didn't steal the designs.
I am only fascinated that something thats seen on the show has a very good chance of becoming an actual ship. It is an exciting era, isnt it?
-- Cat chi? 20:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Teika formatting

Remember Fujiwara no Teika? Well, I'm trying to get those nice little boxes you set up to be in the center instead of left-aligning (I've asked around, and people find center aligning better, apparently), but I can't figure out how- the relevant code already says "center". --maru (talk) contribs 05:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Aye aye, done. :) -- Cat chi? 08:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


What damage are we taling about? -- Cat chi? 23:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I think all articles in question should be modified to be more compatible with my change. Taking care of repetive usage is the point of templates. -- Cat chi? 23:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

It's late, I'll explain tomorrow. Basically all the articles used the template with "it is known as !"$%£ in Japanese" and you changed it to "it is known as Japanese:!"$%£ in Japanese". Yeah. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 23:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I see. Still I think "it is known in japanese" is unnecesary. We can just use the format I came up with. -- Cat chi? 23:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Your change does not work into good English. It is very difficult to make a defunct label work into context. And it isn't your template, all edits are equal. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 23:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
I am going to fucking sleep. I will deal with this tomorrow. Please leave it until I can sort this out. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 23:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
There is no one forcing you to respond immidiately. When I post on a talk page I expect people to respond at the most convinient time to them. Please be civil.
My change works fine with english. I have been using that syntax on a very large number of articles. Take a look at List of Oh My Goddess episodes and all linked episode pages (aside from ovas).
Any template I create or make significant change becomes "my template" in a conversation for easy referance. Saying "my" is much more conviniant than repetively typing out the templats name. This doesnt mean I own them of course.
-- Cat chi? 09:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Fine, I'm sorry it was 1am and I was tired. Is there any way we can come to a compromise? Could we have to separate templates? It's just completely fecked up articles that use paragraphs. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 10:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, we can rewrite every paragraph to make them better. I vote for that option. All I want is whats best for wikipedia. The syntax I propose has been the standard I observed.
We do not have to follow either suggestion. I just feel a sentence is redundent when its talking about the japanese meaning in a lenghty tone which could also be achieved with one word: (Japanese: )
-- Cat chi? 14:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
All that does is trap editors into having rewrite a sentence a particular way because of it. Now you can have Japanese shoved at the front of another template, but please at least leave one that still functions fine alone to at least preserve the thousands of articles it would damage. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 14:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, lets get one thing straight. I am not trying to disrupt wikipedia nor trapping anyone. Your hostile attitide is starting to bother me.
It is possible to rewrite the 'thousands of articles' with a bot in a few seconds so thats not an issue either. So there is no damage.
So what is the issue, that I dont understand.
-- Cat chi? 15:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I also do not see a single article my modification "breaks" -- Cat chi? 15:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Heja helweda

I think you have had some experience with this user adding information that is not properly sourced. I would appreciate it if you could have a look at Talk:History_of_the_Kurds#Zoroaster_and_Yazidis where he is trying to add this rather large paragraph based on this article on "" which in my opinion is not academic at all, article is full of "I think"s and the author has made up conclusions which I think should not be put on Wikipedia.

Perhaps I am wrong here, but I read that Jimbo insists that for anything disputable there has to be SOLID and VERIFABLE sources, not what "Sheikh Dawresh Kalesh" (Google search = 0) would say and how the author has claimed that it is infact, true!..

Anyway you might also want to check out Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#.

Thanks, -- - K a s h Talk | email 11:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

You may want to add this to the rfc I filed. Seek arbitration if he insists on being disruptive. I can offer little assistance at this point as I got my hands full, sorry. -- Cat chi? 19:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


I have blocked you for 48 hours for violating the ArbCom ruling about disruptive edits in Kurd-related areas as brought up recently on AN/I. Take the time to cool off, and come back more receptive to community consensus please. -lethe talk + 13:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Ban on kurd-related editing

As your mentor, I'm letting Lethe's block stand, and I'm taking the step of banning you from editing, creating or nominating for deletion any articles, categories or templates related to the kurds. This is for an initial period of one week to be extended indefinitely if the other two mentors agree.
This ban doesn't restrict your use of related talk pages. --Tony Sidaway 05:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
You have banned me from editing articles... something I havent done in ages. Yur ban is over ONE cfding of a category. You have also banned me from voting.... -- Cat chi? 07:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Should you return to participating in Kurd-related talk pages I would ask you to make reasonable arguments and to not simply oppose efforts of others who may not share your views. It would seem that admins agree that there has been a pattern of editing here that warrants this remedy -- it is not a simple case of ONE CFD. I personally was annoyed that the CFD appeared to be a direct response to my having used the category. FWIW, I don't see anything above that would indicate that you're being disenfranchised, only that you should not nominate a Kurd-related category for deletion. --Moby 09:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
DON'T PATRONISE ME! -- Cat chi? 09:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Mgm has opposed the ban. As he is one of the two other mentors, I've rescinded the ban pending further discussion [47]. --Tony Sidaway 15:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I am still blocked so I cant participate in that discussion. -- Cat chi? 15:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


I believe the criticisim setcion is not in accordance with wikipedias NPOV policy. [48]. I do not believe Southeastern_Anatolia_Project was built just to inconviniance kurds or destroy historic sites (turkey is full of historic sites on every corner especialy on river beds for perhaps obvious reasons)

Since people are decently quick to revert my edits, just like davenbelle. Thought you may want to look at it.

-- Cat chi? 07:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm a bit too busy with other stuff to help out right now. If you need a speedy response, I suggest you talk to someone else. - Mgm|(talk) 07:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I can wait. Besides, I'd prefer the touch of MacGyver Magic in this matter ;) -- Cat chi? 08:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish deletion nomination

We have 3 categories created to mark places where kurds supposively are a majority. My deletion nominations were not in bad faith. Two of the categories were created by a suspected sockpuppet of a user that has been banned for a serious amount of time.

The other (last nom) was created as a comprimise per my request. But I later decided categorising by ethnicity is a bad idea given we do not have any verifiable demographics data on kurds.

Also no where else do we categorise based on ethnicity, however we have articles for census data.

I just wanted to make my standing clear.

-- Cat chi? 07:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I apologise for questioning the faith of your CfD nominations. As you can see, I do agree with you that ethnic geography categories are a bad idea. In fact the most recent nomination was probably the most clear-cut (it made no grammatical sense as a category name). I can understand the frustration of Kurdish editors, though I do not know how we can resolve this issue. TheGrappler 17:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Thats ok, no real harm done. Though I wouldnt mind if you stated something parallel to that comment on the nomination pages.
I am currently dealing with User:Moby Dick, but aside from that I am not certain how to handle editors who appear to be campaigning in categorising teritory with the basis of weather or not its kurdish.
The deletion process may fail and we may have 3 different kurdish territory categories as people are assuming bad faith in their votes now by panic keeping... I do not believe in wiki-politics but I do not beieve I should be renominating them if that happens. I am open for suggestions.
-- Cat chi? 18:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Public apologies are now listed at the nominations page. Good faith now well and truly assumed :) TheGrappler 19:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your comment! I really appriciate it. What I appriciate more is the good faith tho. It takes courage to apologise publicaly, a courage I often lack :( -- Cat chi? 19:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kurdish provinces Category:Kurdish cities Category:Kurdish inhabited region

Do you follow my rationale regarding my attempts for deletion of kurdish inhabited region categories?

We dont even have any census data for the Kurds. We cant categorise demographics based on supersticion, rumors or beliefs right?

Even with a census we do not tag D.C. as a black city that would be asking for trobble. Instead census data is presented via maps and other means. See: United States Census, 2000

Also you should realise the other two categories were created by a user who is a suspected sockpuppet of another [49]

-- Cat chi? 08:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Many U.S. cities have black neighborhoods, Jewish neighborhoods or Chinatowns. --Uncle Ed 22:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes none are categorised as "Black inhabited region", "jewish inhabited region", "white inhabited region" etc.
Just categorising New York based on ethnicity can easily be a nightmare. You know... questions such as "What percentage qualifies to be a black city" etc.. What about "half breeds" and the "other"?
-- Cat chi? 23:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Also feel free to join the discusion at Talk:Diyarbakır and the capital of Turkish Kurdistan. This may be the first step in someone else understanding my concerns.
First it starts with Category:Kurdistan (which was bad enough as far as I care), then we have a Turkish Kurdistan, then we have Diyarbakır becoming a kurdish dominant city.... and now Diyarbakır is the capital of Turkish Kurdistan.
-- Cat chi? 23:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Need Help

I know you help newcomers and I am not one, do you know how to delete the "contents" table? I'd love to delete it from my userpage --Argentino (talk/cont.) 20:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Add __NOTOC__ anywhere to the page. See Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page#Table_of_contents. -lethe talk + 20:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
__NOTOC__ would do that, I have done so for you. -- Cat chi? 20:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much --Argentino (talk/cont.) 20:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kurdish inhabited region deletion nom

Yes it was initialy a comprimise but after seeing the Kurdish Cities and Kurdish Provinces cat I realised what we are doing or trying to do with this category can be quie problematic. No wehere else do we categorise by ethnicity even when we have census data establish ethnicity rations. For kurds we dont even have that. All we have is an asumption that kurds dominate random cities, provinces, and other places. -- Cat chi? 19:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but there should be some category for Kurds. I mean, there must be some reliable sources out there that confirm that they're a majority in certain cities or provinces. Also, is there any way to fix the Turkish people page? If "Turkish" is only a nationality as you said before, than the two main ethnic groups in Turkey are Kurds and...? Please explain, thanks. —Khoikhoi 03:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
There are no reliable sources to determine if kurds are a majority anywhere in the midle east. There was never a census. Take a look at United States Census, 2000. That gives us reliable info regarding ethnicity, even with that we do not tag based on ethnicity.
This isnt about weather or not kurds are a majority. This is about us tagging based on ethnicity. We do not do anything like this on the rest of wikipedia. Consider me tagging all cities and provinces of [France]], Germany and many other nations with a "White inhabited region" category. Or much better consider how hard it would be to tag cities like Jerusalem.
-- Cat chi? 09:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kurdish inhabited region

Hi, I'd like to inquire why is this category useful? -- Cat chi? 09:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Kurds don't have own state; they are split between several countries, so this category is natural replacement of what could be category:Subdivisions of Kurdistan, like there is Category:Subdivisions of Russia. As for your argument, "we do not do this for other ethnicities", every rule has exceptions. Special cases do exist in the real world. For example, there are Jews, who organize information about themselves in wikipedia in a unique way. `'mikka (t) 15:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
The native americans, african americans, aborigines (australia), dozens of other ethnicities throughout the planet lack a state. If kurds dont have a state, they dont have a state and categorising them as if they have a state would be bad practice.
Kurdistan has no defined borders. Any border we talk about is circumstantial and someone else can easily come up with more expanded borders or something much smaller. Furthermore for the case of kurds we have no way of knowing how many there are nor do we know on which cities they are a majority.
Your Category:Subdivisions of Russia example is inconclusive. While I am not not certain exactly how Subdivisions of Russia works, from what I understand the government does not object to this kind of grouping. I suspect it has to do with population ratios and climate, not ethnicity occupation percentages. It is nothing like the case of Kurdistan.
You should understand categories are binary in nature, Kurds either live at a place or they don't. Categorising to this end can be highly contraversial. Which cities would fall under a Kurdistan? Who determines which cities qualify? You? Me? Some other random user? If there is a necesity to 'organize information' a wikiproject, or an article, or something in a userspace can handle that. Same thing can also be achieved with a paragraph on Kurdistan. Something along the line as 'foo source claims these provinces to be in kurdistan'. We do not tag New York to be a jewish city under such a category.
-- Cat chi? 22:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
"categorising them as if they have a state would be bad practice." - I am afraid, colleague, you are excessively politicizing the issue. Wikipedia is not an advisor at UN and categirzing in this way does not give any legitimacy for ideas of "Greated Kurdistan" or whatever. If certain settlements are traditionally classified as having significant kurdish population, it is a fact and can be categorized. And I see no problem in categorizing places where Australian aborigenes still live unassimilated. I would find this useful as well. Thank you for the idea. `'mikka (t) 04:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
No, of course we are not the UN, but that is not the point. The political aspect surrounding Kurdistan should not be ignored and instead should be taken into account when categorising. Some people living in SE Turkey whelmingly and even violenly oppose a Kurdistan while others whelmingly and even violently support a Kurdistan.
I am not being excessive. I just want to keep the politics from both sides (pro-Kurdistan or anti-kurdistan) off of the articles. I'd rather not have a dozen pov forks. The Kurdistan issue can be discussed in articles like Kurdistan, Kurds in Turkey, Kurdish nationalism etc.
As for "categorising them as if they have a state would be bad practice." comment, I was merely trying to point out my POV. I do not try to hide my POV as I prefer objective insight from other parties, in this case you.
Currently we are categorising Rome, and Stockholm under the Category:Kurdish inhabited region. Needless to say Stockholm and Hakkari don't have much in common aside from being human settlements, they arent even on the same continent. There are no 'traditional' cities classified. We have no reliable source to categorise, not even a census. Your word is as good as mine when we tag articles with this category. That was the hole point I was trying to emphacise.
I also fail to see the usefullness of categorising based on ethnicity. I am not trying to pull your leg but I honestly do not see the benefit it brings.
Oh and btw please respond on my talk page too so I know when you post a response. :)
-- Cat chi? 22:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Help me!

Hello! I'm a Persian Wikipedian and I wanna build a robot, but I like to build a one in English Wikipedia. So Can you help to make a bot step by step??? Thanks a lot! --MehranVB 17:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

What is the language code of persian wikipedia? I can modify my bot with a few commands to monitor persian wikipedia. -- Cat chi? 22:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
The code of persian wikipedia is fa. But my mind is having a robot for myself. (In other words I wanna build a new robot, but I don't know how??? I downloaded the Python but what's the next step???)

Thanks a lot!--MehranVB 08:11, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I know little about phython, but per your request I have modified my bot to moitor Persian wikipedia for vandalism.
You can use the bot on #wikipedia-fa-vandalism on
If you need any other help, I'll be more than willing to assist.
-- Cat chi? 22:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


Wikipedia must contains pictures. Wikipedia community published Mohammed's cartoons in the name of freedom of speech. Ruzgar 20:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and there are many others such as myself who thinks of that to be problematic.
I do not feel it is necesary to display photos on the PKK page. The terrorism PKK commited can be expressed with words, the Mohammed cartoons cannot. Generaly pictures of bloodshed and/or corpses are only necessary when there arent convincing arguments.
I understand exactly how you feel about the PKK, and I share your feelings to a degree however I do not believe the pictures are aproporate on the article.
-- Cat chi? 22:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

PKK photo

Hi. The same picture is also at the Civilian casualties caused by PKK article. —Khoikhoi 22:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I think such a picture may be approporate on an article talking about the deceaced in the conflict. However, I do not believe it is absolutely necesary. A statistic can be much more encyclopedic.
I do not want to make contraversial edits on any article related to kurds since people do not seem to appriciate my efforts as it is apperant on the WP:ANB/I. I wont be intimidated by anyone. I will continue to make an effort to keep pov pushers at bay and continue to be vigilant however now I realise I should also be carefull. People seem to be trying very hard to find fault or a hidden agenda in my actions. Some are devoting their entier contribution to this end. I will not give them the satisfaction they seek.
Do not misunderstand me, I have no quarrel with you on the contrary I respect you greatly. In fact I find your assistance most comforting when dealing with issues regarding the kurds. I have however restrictions levied on me by the ArbCom which makes it very easy for problematic users to get me blocked as we see on the recent WP:ANB/I issue. I didn't used to worry about the arbcom ruling since my stalkers left me alone, though it appears that wasn't really the case. You do not have such restrictions and you are free to edit (of course wikipedia policies apply). So if you like we can work much closer. If I detect a problematic behaviour, I can notify you and you can take action if its ok with you. What do you say?
-- Cat chi? 23:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, I hate to break it to you, but I'm on probation as well. However, fell free to contact me whenever you want. BTW, have you seen this? ("Togrol" means "Turk" in Kurdish) —Khoikhoi 23:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't be suprised if that guy cmes up with ten thousand sockpuppets. The more desperate he gets the better. I have tricks I spare for the desperate only. :)
Oh. Btw, I believe Togrol is also a popular name in Turkey. In Kurdish Turks are often referanced as Tirk. That is, at least in one of the dialects... I generaly see each dialect as a seperate language as they are so distant from each other.
In any case, what are your restrictions?
-- Cat chi? 02:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Cool Cat

CoolCat,I am a friend of thewolfstar. She has asked me to ask you to please help her. She along with Merecat and many others have been blocked unfairly with no procedure followed. Thewolfstar's page is protected now, too. She and Merecat are now blocked indefinitely. Thewolfstar's unblock code has been removed by her blockers. Bishonen is involved and Swatjester, both known low-lives. Please help thewolfstar and please help Merecat. I know you hate junior highers like Bishonen and Schvatjester. Thanks Coolcat. Many like you are being blocked and extermminated left and right. It's clear that any dissenting view on Wikipedia is not allowed. Your friend in war and peace, Lamb of god 22:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

As a personal policy, I will offer any assitance I can to whoever is in distress. However I have to point out I am not sure what are you expecting me to do.
From a short investigation:
User:Merecat is a suspected sockpuppet of User:Rex071404 (or the other war around).
  • The pattern of simmilar edits imply convincingly that the two editors are infact the same person. There is also a checkuser report that basicaly verifying the theory. I'll need some sort of proof or evidence suggesting the contrary to be able to do anything. For instance if this is a case where a shared computer is used by the two people editing or a case where both users use a dynamic IP range, it would be possible to consider getting them unblocked.
  • The procedure in dealing with sockpuppets is instant block often without warning.
User:Thewolfstar has been blocked repetively for personal attacks.
  • Apperantly he was refering fellow editors as "Nazi".
  • I do not tollerate personal attacks of any kind directed at anyone for any purpose. You must provide a damn good reason for me to even consider assisting this person.
I would also like to clarify a matter. I do not hate any fellow editor including User:Lethe who had blocked me for 48 hours in the past week. Even though his attempts were misguided, he was trying to protect wikipedia from what appeared to be a disruptive user. Sufficive to say, I am not disruptive. People like me are not exterminated, only often mistreated. So long as people follow policy and assume good faith they will prevail.
-- Cat chi? 23:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
If instead of conspiracy theories and accusations of being low-lifes, I saw some indication that there was intent of good faith from these blocked editors, I would consider looking at the case. As it stands, Lamb of God seems to be heading down the same road. -lethe talk + 09:03, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The number of users (Thewolfstar etc..)

Care to fill me in? I am kinda curious what 'evil' you have supposively done. :) -- Cat chi? 01:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi there, Kawai neko! Not sure what "the number of users" refers to? But let me break down my offences for you:
  1. If you read thewolfstar's talkpage archive here, you will get a goood picture of my crimes. I know it's long and, uh, kind of repetitious, but just do a search for "Bishonen". As you can see, the posts from me are few; I soon decided that arguing with TWS was too surrealist for me, I'm impatient that way. But the discussions of me are pretty comprehensive! ;-)
  2. It was me who blocked TWS indefinitely as having exhausted the community's patience, here. Do click on the link I give there to the block log, it's kind of hair-raising. The ANI thread, which is linked to in the message, is also very telling. Unfortunately it's been archived from the ANI page, so you'll have have to use the diff to the first post that's supplied in block message.
  3. And thirdly: yesterday I blocked User:Lamb of god as an obvious sock (or possibly meatpuppet). It's not editing from the same IP, but the CheckUser arbitrator that I consulted laughed at the idea that it would not be a sock. And indeed, I'm convinced the community will uphold the block. That reminds me I need to go post it on WP:ANI.
That's it, enjoy your reading. Bishonen | talk 08:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC).
"the number of users" was refering to multiple users (puppet or not) complaining about you for blokcing them.
It appears clear second thoughts are not necesary in this case. You didnt really had to give a lenghty response. :)
In any case thank you for your time.
-- Cat chi? 17:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


Maybe you can fix this: [50] [51]. The reference came out strangely rendered for me. --Moby 07:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Kurd category

[52] -- - K a s h Talk | email 15:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

actually there is a whole series of it! [53], list at [54] -- - K a s h Talk | email 15:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me know. Also please check your email. -- Cat chi? 15:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Planetes Episode 12.jpg

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If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Rory096 18:02, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

fair use warning thing

I do not know if thats an automated script or not but I generaly consider it bad practice to warn the user the second they upload the image... Especialy people like me who generaly upload mass number of images first and THEN add the rationales... -- Cat chi? 18:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that, didn't realize you had just uploaded it a minute before. --Rory096 18:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 :P Well i guess that makes you watchfull ^_^. Sorry I often get tense during my edit storms. -- Cat chi? 18:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Dynamo ace/User AMG

I have detected and improved the template as per your request. I have also moved it to your userspace and the reason is strictly to evade an unnecesary ruckus. Userboxes are often treated with little dignity these days. -- Cat chi? 22:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Well... did you like it? :) -- Cat chi? 13:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes i do, thanks for the recoluring and icon to the userbox, its looks much better. Could you see if it can be catagoraized (like with other userboxes)
Also, i been fidling around with a screencap program and got some good screencaps of Sakyo Mishmia which would be better than the ones on the article, do you want them uploaded?
-Dynamo_ace Talk
Sure, I'll categorise it.
I do not know what to say untill I see the screen cap. :)
-- Cat chi? 15:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


I consider the suggestion of WP:FLRC as a response to another featured list I wrote to be incivil and frankly rude.

It takes a lot of effort to create a featured list. FLC is to create better, nicer better organised lists. Objections should have a basis aside from personal taste. There is no 'standard' template for lists.

-- Cat chi? 15:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Huh? I honestly don't get your point. My point was that there is a procedure to remove lists that don't deserve to be featured. That means that any featured list is not "untouchable." Maybe some lists met the standards when they were nominated but now the standards might be higher and the list does not meet them anymore. I am trying to say that using old featured list as the golden standard is not such a good practice. Simply, if there is something to improve about a list, it should be. Renata 16:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I am well aware of the procedure, there is no need to mention it in a FAC. I never implied it was "untochable". You might have your own standards but flc does not. After a point it is a matter of taste and thats something quite contraversial.
What do you suggest in place of the dvd cover images? Episode screenshots?
-- Cat chi? 17:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I asked a couple of users what they think and so far I got no response. But I believe screenshots would be better. Renata 18:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Umm actualy I can give you the answer. On List of Oh My Goddess episodes, article originaly had screenshots of individual episodes. During the featured nomination people said that was a violation of fair use and hence I started using dvd covers. That is why I started using dvd covers. Plus we use less images this way. -- Cat chi? 18:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


I modified the page accordingly as it was broken on my browser. I hope you dont mind. :) -- Cat chi? 22:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix, and for the notice of it! Cheers! BD2412 T 22:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
In return may I ask for a small favor. If interested I have two lists I'd like to have copy edited. I have been staring it for soo long I no longer see the mistakes... You know how it goes...
Articles are FMA list (FLC) Planetes list (FLC)
-- Cat chi? 22:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Will do in about an hour - have to finish a draft reply to an appeal, and go pick up the missus. Cheers! BD2412 T 22:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

User dispute

Would you mind looking into a user dispute? I have a rather lenghty evidence I posted at ANB/I that has been siting there for some time now.

I believe user:Moby Dick is also stalking me. An arbitration hearing found Davenbelle to be stalking. I feel User:Moby Dick is a user:Davenbelle sockpuppet and hence is attempting to evade arbitration restrictions.

I assumed you would volunteer to investigate. -- Cat chi? 19:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you think he's a sockpuppet, I'd think the first place to go would be RfCu... --InShaneee 23:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok done, see: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Moby Dick -- Cat chi? 09:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in here, but I think InShaneee meant a checkuser request (RFCU)- obviously you've already done that. A RFC probably isn't out of place anyway. You might also want to point out the ANI post and any talk pages discussions as evidence of trying to and failing to solve the dispute, if you think they are relevant. Petros471 10:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
ACK. I will do as you ask and point the ANI discussion. Should I pull back the rfc? -- Cat chi? 11:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Well I for one would be interested to see if anyone does actually have any comments to make first. Petros471 13:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Very well. However the RfC procedure requires at least two people certifying the basis of a dispute or else page will be deleted. Since you feel there is something that requires investigation you might want to say so in the rfc page. -- Cat chi? 13:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, as the notice on my talk page says life is getting busy... Anyway I don't really want to see the RFC deleted, but can't really certify it as I am not really someone who has 'tried and failed to resolve it'. I've endorsed the outside view though. Hope this gets sorted out. Remember always behave better those accusing you- then you can't have your own actions turned back against you. Petros471 20:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Quite alright. All of us lead a busy life. You did not even have had to comment at the ANB/I page or on the RFC. You have my most sincere gratitude. As per equavalent trade, I'd like to do something for you. My skills with tables and templates superceeds me interwiki... But modesty aside, what can I do for you?
Don't worry, at least one thing I learnt from my encounter with Davenbelle is that his constant baiting was why things got out of control. Moby Dick is probably trying the same thing but this fish just isn't going to bite the bait this time. Besides how cana future administrator set an example if he degrades into the level of people stalking him.
-- Cat chi? 21:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Hi, Cool Cat. I've stumbled across the rfc and I have endorsed it. I'm considering making an addition of my own edvidence as well. -ZeroTalk 20:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
    That is most appiciated. -- Cat chi? 21:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Adding e-mail

How do I enable an e-mail option Cool Cat? Could you just indicate the pages explaining? Thanks. --Cretanforever 14:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

On the "preferences" page there is a field where you can type in the email you want messeges to be sent to.
You should check the checkbox labeled "Enable e-mail from other users"
You will also need to "authenticate" it. A link should be avalible in the reddish box which should read something like:
* E-mail (optional): Allows us to e-mail your password to you if you forget it. If you also "Enable e-mail from other users", then others can e-mail you from your User or User talk page by using the "E-mail this user" feature. Note that the sender's e-mail address will be visible to the recipient. If you change your e-mail address, you will need to reconfirm your address.
-- Cat chi? 15:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I did. Thanks. --Cretanforever 18:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

"Kurdish people" SFD farrago

[55] you may want to review my response, I believe the debate can be concluded now. -- Cat chi? 14:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I've replied there, as you seem to feel the need. If you were prompting me to either vote (either way), or to close the SFD nom, I can't say I'm inclined to do either, for the reasons I've already mentioned. Doubtless one of the other SFD regulars will take care of it in due course. Alai 18:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh I just wanted to get over with it :) Sorry for the bother. Alright, I'll let SFD regulars take care of it. Sorry for the torbble. -- Cat chi? 18:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
It's no bother; sorry if I sounded peevish on the topic. It's just one of those cases where I find both alternatives sufficiently unattractive, not to say divisive, that I want as little as possible to do with the resolution either way. Not that that stops me from chiming in with my 2c... (Mind you, if it's stays there too much longer and no-one else closes it, it'll probably annoy me sufficiently that I will.) Alai 18:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Ya. I can understand that. Contraversial cases are hard to deal with... especialy when one is divided in the middle. -- Cat chi? 18:24, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Templates about Prime Ministers and Presidents of Turkey

Hi, I realize that you added the coat of arms related to a.m. templates. Fine! However, I can not understand why you changed the heading color from red to ice-blue. Is there a procedure also for that? If not, maybe you can revert the color by yourself. Thanks. Besides, I had already mentioned that we, members in the Turkey project, waste time to make unnecessary modifications to the work of people made by wikipedians in this project, instead of creating or extending articles. CeeGee 18:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

It isn't so much as a procedure but more about consistancy.
I relise red and white are the official colors of Turkey but if you take a look at similar templates you will see they are all ice blue. Consider template:USpresidents, Template:CanPM, Template:Cabinet of Canada, Template:Prime Minister of Canada see also for example, the colors of the US gov is blue red and white but we do not see it in the template
The templates you created were decent. All I am doing is honoring your hard work with my attempts to 'perfect' it more.
Hope this helps. -- Cat chi? 23:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Stalking/Water Under the Bridge

It has been forever and frankly I had forgotten about the hole incident regarding you. I feel now is the right time to set the record straight as you deserve no less.

Incivil behaviour is inexcusable and the way I treated you was less than civil. It was and still is indignified and unacceptable. I caused you unnecesary stress. I have been dealing with people who had been inflicting stress on me since day one and to realise that I have been no better than them...

You have to understand I have been quite jumpy since the disappearance of davenbelle and MARMOT incident. Perhaps I became a bit paranoid as well. This however does not justify my actions.

Hence, I expect you to be less than satisfied with an apology as my actions were way out of line. You have my most sincere apologies if they mean anything to you after our encounter.

-- Cat chi? 21:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

No worries at all. You were subjected to some pretty intense harrassment yourself, which is very easy to understand. I'm an incredibly easy-going guy as you'll probably notice and many times assume good faith to the point of it being a fault. Thats why we need more down to earth people such as yourself to balance out the likes of me. :) If you ever need help with anything, feel free to ask me. -Mask Flag of Alaska.svg 05:09, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
In order to "melt the ice", how about working together on two featured list candidates? See: FMA list (FLC) Planetes list (FLC)
-- Cat chi? 11:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


I've issued a strongly worded warning to Moby Dick about stalking [56]. This is grounded in remedy 2 of your arbitration case (about harassment by Davenbelle, Stereotek and Fadix). --Tony Sidaway 16:53, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
I am curious though if it would be posible to take a few precations.
  • I'd like to make sure Moby Dick has no "other" sockpuppets lurking around me. If he had like 10 accounts it would be very hard for me to gather any reliable evidence.
  • Posibly keeping logs that make a checkuser posible longer than a month if Moby Dick decides to stalk from a different alias. These logs can be kept on wikimedia servers away from public reach.
-- Cat chi? 17:42, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
That last would require both a policy and a technical change; it might be nice, but it's unlikely. A number of editors (like myself) are happy to know that if they choose to leave for more than a week (or whatever it takes for Recentchanges to expire here on en) that their IPs will be forgotten. --maru (talk) contribs 18:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Recentchanges/IP data expire in a month. I just want the log of Moby Dick to stay longer making it easier to identify his sockpuppets if they appear. It would have been a great help if we had the logs for davenbelle to compare with Moby Dick.
As for the sockpuppet check, do you think you can get someone to look into it?
-- Cat chi? 07:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

RFC on Moby Dick

I regret to advise you that Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Moby Dick was not certified by two or more users within 48 hours of creation; as such it has been deleted. Stifle (talk) 23:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

So much for dispute resolution... :/ Thank you for letting me know. -- Cat chi? 07:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome. The main reasoning behind the requirement for two people to validate a request for comment is to reduce vexatious RFCs (not that I'm saying this one was) and to encourage people to seek a third opinion or negotiate first. Stifle (talk) 10:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh I know its for technical reasons and the RfC wasn't completely unproductive. -- Cat chi? 10:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Red_Bastard (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

I think thats an indef {{usernameblock}}... Rather than a 24hr one for 3rr... -- Cat chi? 15:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree but I ain't overruling the katester. :) --Woohookitty(meow) 15:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, you're probably right, come to think of it. · Katefan0 (scribble) 15:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, come to think of it, I don't disagree. But, I'll give him a chance to think about it before lowering the boom. ;) · Katefan0 (scribble) 15:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Fine with me, though you might want to tell him to change his nick ^_^ -- Cat chi? 15:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes

There are a few other anime lists I am working on... care to work on thse too?

-- Cat chi? 15:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd love to help, but unfortunately I've never seen any of those other shows :-( Sorry. Mistamagic28 21:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

You can always get and watch then ^_^'. Alternatively you can expand fma summaries.
I also intend to break FMA characters appart.
-- Cat chi? 21:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
That's a good idea. I myself have been working on Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, and related pages such as List of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex episodes for a while. Mistamagic28 16:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Btw I was wondering what you though about the FMA OVA that has been out this year. I think it should be on the list but I cant seem to locate the release date of the dvd. -- Cat chi? 23:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

WP:FLC/Fullmetal Alchemist & WP:FLC/PLanetes/D'oh!

Hey. I am kind of confused with your comment on WP:FLC/PLanetes regarding ed and al. Was it intended for WP:FLC/Fullmetal Alchemist? -- Cat chi? 07:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

It was, sorry, switching now... Rough couple days at work, as my edit count can attest to. Sorry for the spaceyness. -Mask Flag of Alaska.svg 07:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
No need to apologise, happens to the best of us. -- Cat chi? 07:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Just on a sidenote before I go to bed, I'm really impressed by the images of the FMA list.... I normally am nonplussed by anime, but those covers depict a certain badass quality to it... well chosen :) -Mask Flag of Alaska.svg 07:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

They are the original dvd covers. If you liked the covers you might want to watch the series. There might be yet hope for you. :) -- Cat chi? 11:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Featured lists and Kanji issues

The featured list candidates seem to have an issue with the kanji characters. I believe this may be a codec issue. Since I have japanese fonts installed and observe no problems and that I have no understanding of kanji I though you might want to assist.

BTW congradulations in becomeing an admin, I would give my support but it appears you dont really need it ^_^;

-- Cat chi? 16:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I popped in on both. Everything appears to be fine as far as the kanji encoding. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Good to hear. :) -- Cat chi? 18:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Ejected from CVU?

How can you be ejected from an organization that has no leadership? That's not really an organization, but rather a grouping of anti-vandal individuals? No one can "eject" you from CVU if you still want to associate yourself with them. The only person who can eject you is yourself. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

My access in the chanel was gradualy reduced... ultimately I was banned from all of the IRC channels related to the CVU. This is a perm ban. #wikipedia-en-vandalism channel has been rendered useless making my vandal detection bot useless. All actions were taken by the same individual.
So I cannot preform any of the functions I used to be able to as a CVU member. Hence am "ejected". Things are going quite nasty for me on many fronts.
Since you are an administrator now you might want to review evidence presented related to User:Moby Dick on WP:ANB/I. Though since you are a new admin you probably shouldn't take action but your comments would be most apriciated.
-- Cat chi? 22:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey Cool Cat, you probably remember me from a confrontation we had a while back. I can see that things are going bad for you, and I really try to understand why things like this always happen to you, but it's very difficult for me to feel sorry for you when you always seem to repeat the same mistakes. Don't you think you get a little close to Wikipedia sometimes? I know there's a lot of issues to get caught up in, and the community is really large and interesting, but I think sometimes you just have to step back and realize that Wikipedia is really nothing, just a collection of words written by a lot of people around the world, and you really shouldn't waste so much of your drive on enforcing rules, or getting involved in conflicts.

Maybe you have more time than I do to hang around wiki. More time to get involved in all the deep issues that are going around. I like getting in arguments too, and I've gotten pretty deep into some conflicts before. Heck, me and Nihonjoe really step on each others toes once in a while, but in the end we're just two other Wikipedia editors and I don't think either of us has any hard feelings about what's happened in the past.

I don't want to be like all of the other admins and super-users that are telling you to change your attitude, because I don't think that's the reason why you get into trouble. I just think you're a really intense person, and you get carried away when you let your emotions control the situation. I'm sounding like a psychologist now - -;. Anyways, think about what I said. I think you'd get a lot more out of Wikipedia if you use it for what it is; a vast collection of amazing information, of a volume that no one man could read it in his lifetime. You don't always have to get involved when you see something that you don't agree with. Wikipedia will continue whether you do or not, so why not let things just run their course for once.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  03:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Getting into conflict for me isn't fun though, I'd rather work with users not against. Let me give several examples of conflicts thrown a me (ones I havent volunteered for).
One user has been opposing me on whatever article I edit, including ones related to anime or norse mythology. Same user was voting opposite to my vote whenever I vote. he even objected me recieveing anti-vandalism barnstars. Basicaly this user comes to any article I edit simply to oppose me.
That "year of hell" ended on early december when finaly the user left wikipedia and me. This user or a user editing very much similar to him (almost identical to him) resurfaced early february. So, I only had a level of peace and quiet for a month or two. No other wikipedian has dealt with this kind of nonsense aside from User:RickK.
There was also the MARMOT case which marmot was spoofing my IP and getting me blocked. He was getting my IP from the IRC bot of mine that detected vandalism. Same bot has been rendered useless since my ban from cvu-related chanels single-handedly by one user. That user was the closest wikipedian I had, and we supported each other in difficult times when either one of us were vunrable most. For the IRC bot detecting vandalism, I spent a great amount of time coding it and a lot of cash to keep it running. In return I only asked to be able to run it. I guess I was asking for too much.
With perhaps overwhelming stress from stuff like I mentioned above... I think I have very strong emotional control, granted I do not yet have the control of a Vulcan.
I take wikipedia seriously, yes. Newspapers already use wikipedia as a referance and in the near future I believe wikipedia will be the source of all information. I want to help create such a noble project enforcing its rules and guidelines.
You are however right, my dedication to wikipedia is probably not in my personal best interest, but perhaps it is in the best interest of wikipedia. After all, I get nothing in return for my contribution aside from constant harrasment from people like Davenbelle, Marmot, etc...
-- Cat chi? 11:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Nobody gets anything in return really, just the feeling of a job well done. Though I see you do seem to enjoy collecting your barnstars and such. Jimbo certainly doesn't get much in return for wiki, but I'm pretty sure he's happy with it. Basically Cat, you are a high-profile user. You talk a lot, you hold rather strong opinions, and you attract a lot of attention. I am a teacher, one of the good teachers I'd say, and one thing I know about annoying brats is that they're at their worst when they know they'll get you riled up if they act badly. It's a little bit rediculous to tell you not to react to vandalism and accusations against you, so I don't mean that. The deeper you get into things, though, the more crap is going to be thrown back at you. It's alright to take Wikipedia seriously, but you don't have to fix it all yourself. There are some aspects of Wiki that are really unproductive, and they really bug me sometimes, but just like I'm not going to be able to change world democracy, I'm not going to be able to chance Wikipedia either.
One last thing, you say you think you're level-headed. I'm sure you've had a lot of experience with bboards and IRC and stuff like that, and I know: the people there are often complete morons. I was a private boarder when it was still manageable, I've used IRC since 1999 and seen every network known to Jesus go to shits with all the idiots screwing things up. Right now wiki is about as level-headed as the web gets, which is amazing because it's so free at the same time. But as far as the ideal Wikipedian image goes, you're not quite there when it comes to level-headedness. Neither am I. Maybe you know Esjay, I think he's a pretty damned level-headed fellow. I could be wrong though, I haven't looked through all his histories. Being Wikipedian sometimes involves ignoring insults and other bad crap that is hurtled at you, allowing things to happen that you don't agree with, and being low-profile might be a necessary trait as well.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  12:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I will not ever be intimidated by threats, stalking, nor harrasment I recieve. I am more concerned about wikipedias content and integrity rather than my image/reputation. This probably means my adminship would have to wait a decade or ten...
-- Cat chi? 13:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey man, all I can say is don't bite yourself in the face. What's more important to you; a peaceful wiki-life, or protecting your pride? I'm pretty sure you can't have both.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  05:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I know you are trying to help but even if I want to keep a "low-profile" I dont believe I can. I used to have an edit/mo average of 1800ish which I pulled back to 800ish (over a 50% drop). I even stoped editing anything contraversial. In return I got Moby Dick starting to do his thing... I do not believe I am driven by pride. If I had any of that, I'd have left wiki long ago. A peaceful wiki-life would be preferable but inprobable so long as people actively stalk me...
-- Cat chi? 05:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes

Is it posible for you to reupload the dvd images in png format overwriting the ones I uploaded? -- Cat chi? 17:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

You mean wou want me to reupload the same images in png format, or do you want me to revert back to the images you uploaded? Mistamagic28 17:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Reupload the english images in png format with filenames identical to my images and then revert. That way we will be using your images and my filenames ^_^. -- Cat chi? 17:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I could, but you'd have to have your images deleted first. (I suppose requesting a speedy delete would suffice.) Mistamagic28 17:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
You can overwrite... and then edit page descriptions... Why bother getting them deleted? -- Cat chi? 18:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Done. Mistamagic28 19:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

List of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex episodes

I am interested in converting this page to List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes format. What do you think? -- Cat chi? 18:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that would be a wise idea. I have been working on that page for quite a while and was thinking of splitting it up. I could do it, but you're welcome to if you want to put in the time yourself. Either way, I'd like to help (perhaps with the short episode descriptions like I did with FMA), or doing some of the pages myself (maybe we could split it in half, you do one season and I'll do the other). Let me know what you think. Mistamagic28 19:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
We can toss all seasons into one article. See List of Oh My Goddess episodes.
However I need kanji names of the episodes as well as original airdates. I can get the dvd covers from amazon :)
-- Cat chi? 20:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

New pic uploaded

I have uploaded the new Sakoyo Mishima picture for its article. Can you check if it is OK?

Link is:

-Dynamo_ace Talk

Much better image. I have reuploaded it over the old one :) -- Cat chi? 10:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Greetings from the United Federation of Planets

Just wanted to say hi, given we are both UFPers... ^_^; -- Cat chi? 21:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Greetings to you too, CC. From Wallie 21:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh just noticed.. it was the UN flag.... >_< -- Cat chi? 22:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Yep. They look the same... :) Wallie 22:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Casualties of the Turkish-Kurdish conflict

I'd like to discuss the points surrounding this on an IRC or email enviorment w/o interference from 3rd parties... would you be interested? -- Cat chi? 18:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I'm on right now. - FrancisTyers 18:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I do not see you, whats your nick? -- Cat chi? 19:16, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I am still waiting for that IRC convo... :) -- Cat chi? 18:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm never off IRC. You haven't tried to contact me ;) My nick is as on my userpage, spectre, 'spectie or spectei. - FrancisTyers 18:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:King of Fighters Character statistics

Hi. Could you take a gander at this template..? I'd like it if we could format the article code so it follows the standard guidelines in articles while still retaining the design. Currently, to extrude it I am resigned to using this:

{{King of Fighters Character statistics|{{{name}}}|{{{color}}}|{{{Image}}}|{{{caption}}}|{{{Birthplace}}}|{{{Birthdate}}}|{{{Height}}}| {{{Weight}}}|{{{Blood}}}|{{{Hobby}}}|{{{Food}}}|{{{Measurements}}}|{{{Favorite Sport}}}|{{{Valuble}}}|{{{Hate}}}|{{{Fighting Style}}}|{{{First Appearence}}}|{{{second appearence}}}|{{{Image2}}}|{{caption}}}}

That seems a little bit messy and difficult to keep track of. I'm hopeful we could use a simialar syntax to the Oh My Goddess! articles. -ZeroTalk 09:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I've worked on it and made some great progress. See here for the updated syntax. -ZeroTalk 13:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Forget it, I've figured it out. -ZeroTalk 13:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I can make it better with little effort. Oh My Goddess! code is much more readable. Should I proceed? -- Cat chi? 14:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
  • No! Take a look! Take a look! I just finished touching it up. Its beautiful. See here. :)-ZeroTalk 14:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for inter wiki linkage on my user page.Teşekkürler--Hattusili 20:44, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Glad I could be of some assistance. :) -- Cat chi? 21:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish inhabited category

I'd like to point out a few things about Kurdistan from the article itself.

  • the exact borders of Kurdistan are hard to define.
  • According to Encyclopædia Britannica, Kurdistan is a mountainous region of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria, inhabited predominantly by Kurds including 27-28 million people in a 190,000 km2 (74,000 sq. mi) area
  • Encyclopaedia of Islam, it includes a 390,000 km2 area.
  • Others estimate as many as 40 million Kurds live in Kurdistan, which covers an area as big as France.

Hence why I do not believe a valid criteria can't exist. Listify, maybe... What do you think?

-- Cat chi? 21:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I think any and all such cats are inherently flawed. I'm not attached to it the way others seem to be, though, so it's not worth it to me to try to sway others to my viewpoint. I've laid out my reasons, and if others are too blinded by their own political beliefs to see how unencyclopidic (sp?) it is, then I'll leave them to wallow in their perspective. :-) CovenantD 01:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
True I guess however if something is unencyclopedic, effort should be made to get rid of it right? -- Cat chi? 15:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Which I did by nominating it, and explaining twice why I did so. Anything beyond that just isn't worth it to me. CovenantD 17:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

there's power in numbers. Lonecanine

Username Banpei

Your unusualy familiar username caought my attention -- Cat chi? 17:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Heh...yeah...that poor little robot Banpei...He's been my pseudonym for quite a few years... Glad someone recognized it tho =) Banpei
Well, I was actualy wondering if you wound want to help with Oh My Goddess! related articles. :) -- Cat chi? 15:10, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Yo! Looking for template help ~~

I'll admit to always admiring the layout of your templates from afar, but while I'm handy enough at adding info to them, I might as well be typing with my elbows when it comes to making one myself. I'd like to convert Template:Tenchi Character and Template:Tenchi Muyo! to bring them up to snuff to the standard set by the OMG! articles - removing some of the disorganized clutter, redundancy and the like - but I'm clueless on how to initiate and didn't want to rip off your work directly or without you knowing. Do you think you could help me? Papacha 06:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll gladly assist. Thank you for your nice comments. -- Cat chi? 15:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate it. I'm worse than an infant when it comes to birthing those things; it'd take a miracle of random chance to figure something structurally nice left to my own devices. v_v Papacha 15:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I am done with {{Tenchi Muyo!}} and {{Tenchi Muyo Char}}. What do you think of them? -- Cat chi? 16:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
They're both looking rather nice. I'm savvy enough (HA!) to add breaks if necessary, though I don't know what kind of color pallete we have to play with here. I'm sure it's not trial-and-error, but is there a scheme or tool used to show what choice of shades tables have available?
Again, thanks so much for your help on these thus far. You caught me with me pants down so I haven't had the chance to check Ryoko's yet, but I will now. Papacha 17:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
{{Tenchi Muyo Character Infobox}} complate. See Ryoko (Tenchi Muyo!) for an example. All character pages should be updated in usinig the new template.
Are there other optional parameters you would like me to add?
-- Cat chi? 16:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I should be okay in adding/subtracting template parameters; I can handle divvying up sizes (yeesh) and blood type from the single space they occupy now, and I can change "code name" to "real name" easily enough.
Now I just have to start implementing the changes and we should be good to go. Broken record much, but thanks a lot for lending me a hand. Papacha 17:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that the Masaki Family most noteably Nobuyuki and Katsuhito Masaki were missing from the new character template so I re-included those names and then update the Templates on each of those pages. I was just trying to help make sure that those pages weren't ignored. -Adv193 17:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I know nothing about the series. I am praticaly editing "blind". So I really apriciate that. Thanks. -- Cat chi? 17:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
The pics do seem to be warping a bit with the text (for ex., Kain/Washu). I didn't insert the new box so I don't know the cause of the interference. Do you know why so I can knock it out? Papacha 17:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
On your template, you were passing [[Image:filename.jpg|300px|etc etc]]. ON the new template all you need to pass is filename.jpg. -- Cat chi? 17:22, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Let's go for the gusto ~~

What the heck, I'm here already aren't I?

I'm thinking about adding a pic to each of the single episode summaries on the FMA list, but would you consider some pictures (i.e. Envy impaling Ed on his arm in Death) to be too "spoilery" in nature? Papacha 07:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

See List of Oh My Goddess episodes articles on how I picked screen caps. Usualy the first half of every episode is the best time to look for screen caps. -- Cat chi? 15:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes

Why did this fail? All problems adressed have been fixed. -- Cat chi? 21:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

The main issue was maru's objections on phrasing and language. The list is very good, so you're welcome to resubmit it as soon as you please after outstanding issues are fixed. Regards -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 11:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
We have adressed all of the outstanding issues. I believe, Maru never checked back in... I'll do as you ask tho. -- Cat chi? 15:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

TM! template talk (cont)...

Ah, I see. So is this template preset to display pics at a particular size?

Baby-steps, baby-steps... Papacha 17:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Default size was 300 width I believe, a reasonable size for fairuse images. -- Cat chi? 18:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


Check this out. I'd like to hear what you think about it.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  06:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Ummm... It is a nice essay.
We want people to be bold and assume good faith and there are many of us that find Wiki Politics disruptive.
There should be no consequence for vfding a (contraversial or not) article or category assuming there are valid arguments.
What the essay implies (perhaps unintentionaly) is to back off when pov pushers or trolls emerge. Consider everyone giving up whenever there is a fight. We wouldn't then have a reason to have wikipedia policies.
I can be cruel when criticising. Hopefully I haven't offended you with my comments above.
-- Cat chi? 10:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
You weren't critical at all. Hearing that you find it implies Wikipedians to "back off" when confronted with trouble is exactly something that I should think about. What I've attempted to explain is not that one should "back off when confronted with problems", but rather consider the volume of the counter-response before going through with any actions, and not to intentionally provoke situations in ways that won't serve the ultimate cause in the end. I think a good example of this is the whole Kawaii article thing. Honestly, I shouldn't have AfD'd that article. I, as a Wikipedian, am confident about my position that the article shouldn't exist, is approached wrong, etc. etc., but the truth is Wikipedia (with its hoards of Japan-fans) is much more stable and predictible with articles like Kawaii. If the general attitude/atmosphere of Wikipedia were to change (over time) to reflect core Wikipedia's policy and rules more closely, a lot of big, heated issues that exist now (JHS/HS articles, fancruft/lists, userboxen) would immediately and peacefully fade away because of the change in opinion from large user base's perspective. Fighting for Wikipedian policy is a good thing, but fighting against a grain that you can clearly see is not in your favor is often a fool's pursuit.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  04:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Copy Cat

I think your New Horizons news section is cool, cat. I plagarized it.--MrFishGo Fish 14:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Any such plagarisim is punishable with a thank you. I am glad you liked it :) Feel free to "steal" as you wish ^_^.
Thank you for your comment.
-- Cat chi? 16:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Nice kitty, didn't eat the fish. :) -- 16:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, he better not.Tiger shark.png--MrFishGo Fish 17:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

My barnstars

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  • 3x Image:Barnstar of Reversion2.png
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  • FireFox usertalk 21:22, 30 May '06 images

Hi, I guess you are an experienced member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Turkey. I wanted to know if you can be of any help in User:A.Garnet and User:Metb82's attempt to get to "free up" their images. Thanks! -- Paddu 00:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


I uploaded your image on commons, with a proper licence. 'hope you wouldn't mind.--Milan Jelisavčić 13:08, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

That action is punishable with a thank you. Thanks for uploading it to commons :) -- Cat chi? 13:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for re-designing my userpage! Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.pngFireFox usertalk 15:44, 31 May '06

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes

I'd hope you'd reconsider your objection. There really is no problem with fair use. Also there is no problem with episode titles (that I can see) they are (kanji and English) from official sites. I'd be happy to correct any errors, but I see none. -- Cat chi? 22:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Ack... where do you *put* things on this talk page... Anyway, expanded on the FLC page. --zippedmartin 22:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Usage of my talk page is exceptionaly easy. It is explained in BOLD characters and even a link is provided. You are the first person to ever had difficulty and I have been around for about one and a half year.
That aside, I have replied to you on the flc page.
-- Cat chi? 23:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


Turkish people, Turkic people, People of Turkey

Hmm.. I thought we discussed this. Turkish people include kurds. Perhaps it might be wise to merge People of Turkey with Turkish people. 'Turk' is an ethnicity, 'Turkish' is a nationality. -- Cat chi? 19:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

If that's true why is that the CIA differentiates between "Turkish" and "Kurdish" in the ethnic groups section? —Khoikhoi 23:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps CIA made a typo. While I do not know why, CIA screwed up big time. However see: under "Nationality", "adjective: Turkish" on the same CIA page you have posted to me. Every citizen of Turkey is Turkish, including Ethnic Kurds, Turks, Greeks and everone else. This is like calling someone a Canadian if they are from Canada.
It is often easy to confuse Ethnicity and Nationality, but I'd expect better from the CIA.
-- Cat chi? 23:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Well here, check out the U.S. Library of Congress study on Turkey, particularly the Linguistic and Ethnic Groups section. It also refers to "ethnic Turks" as separate group from the Kurds. —Khoikhoi 00:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
You are precisely right. "Ethnic Turks" U.S. Library of Congress talks about are Turkic people living in Turkey, and the aproporate wikipedia article would be Turkic people. Turkic people are indeed distinct from the Kurds to a degree. However, Turkish people (nationality) include Turkic people (ethnicity) and Kurdish people (ethnicity).
I understand the terminology can be a bit confusing as Turkish and Turkic sound similar.
-- Cat chi? 00:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
No, I know the difference between Turkish and Turkic. However, the Turkish people article is not about the Turkish nationality and it has never been. That's why is uses {{Infobox ethnic group}}. I'm not sure what else to say. —Khoikhoi 00:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
There is no Turkish ethnicity so the article can't talk about it. The infobox and/or the article is probably inaproporate and should redirect just like American people. -- Cat chi? 00:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I have reviewed the case further and discovered something quite disturbing. People of Turkey, Turkish people, and Demographics of Turkey practicaly talk about the same thing (all 3 exists as a pov fork to a level of degree). I feel all should be refined and merged to Demographics of Turkey. See: Demographics of the United States as an example. -- Cat chi? 01:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
No I disagree. Let me explain: Demographics of Turkey is not only about the ethnic groups, it's also about sex ratio, birth rate, literacy, etc. People of Turkey is a sub-article of the former that I mentioned, it goes more into depth on the ethnic groups. Lastly, Turkish people talks about the main ethnic group in Turkey (which does not include Kurds). Whether it exists or not is a matter of debate. —Khoikhoi 01:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Demographics include sex ratios, ethicity ratios etc. I do not see why we need an article that has to focus on ethnicity. Why is there a reason for us to cover Kurds any diferently than how "blacks" are covered in United States? There is an African American article and a Kurdish people article... and no People of the United States (its a redirect to guess what?)
The main ethnic group in Turkey is Turkic people which can be explained in the Turkic people article. A good example would be American people (its a redirect)
-- Cat chi? 01:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, I don't think people would approve of deleting the Turkish people page, but we'll see what others have to say. —Khoikhoi 01:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I am not suggesting we "delete" the page, instead just merge. All 3 articles "rant on" random opinions from time to time. Remove those, and you have a decent demographics article. -- Cat chi? 01:33, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I guess I see what you're saying. I just want to make sure that others agree as well before any action is taken. —Khoikhoi 01:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


Please see my talk page Photo section. The user InShaneee threaten me. Can I do anything for that? For example informing other admins can work.

"This is your only warning. Continue to add this picture to articles and you will be blocked. --InShaneee 23:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)"

Ruzgar 21:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I am no admin but I do want to help you, but you need to make it possible.
Calling an admin a "dictator", "racist", anti-turk, etc does not help us create a better encyclopedia. I want you to apologise from InShaneee. I will try to convince InShaneee to shorten/lift your block if you promise you wont continue the "revert war".
As for the image, I dont think it is aproporate on the PKK article. It is also inapproporate for Armenian Genocide to have similar images of corpses. However the way to remove the images do not go throughthe PKK article. I will talk to InShaneee about this.
-- Cat chi? 23:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:JapaneseStopSign.gif listed for deletion

An image or media file that you use in a userspace userbox, Image:JapaneseStopSign.gif, and will soon be listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there soon to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. It is being obsoleted by Image:JapaneseStopSign.png. Thank you.

Err, first off, sorry for not signing that. I'm replacing it by a PNG version, basically, per {{Template:BadGIF}} Kevin_b_er 05:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

You actually saved me the work by replacing the .gif -> .png I thank you. .gif be damned! :) -- Cat chi? 05:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Moby Dick

See this application for arbitration against Moby Dick. --Tony Sidaway 15:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Cool Cat/In many languages...

Thank you for the German, Hungarian, Lithuanian translations -- Cat chi? 15:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, no problems. I speak German, and the Hungarian and Lithuanian versions I checked with friends. I'll update once I can guarantee what it is in other languages too! Jared Preston 15:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Impresive. Can you also add a litteral translation back to english? -- Cat chi? 15:57, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware, they all mean "cool". At least the German certainly does! *lol* I have another for you to add (I'm not too sure on how you want it all formatted so I'll leave it here at your disposal) and that's Czech: Hustá kočka. That also literally means "cool cat", but hustá, hustý also means "dense". Hustota is Czech for "density". Jared Preston 20:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
PS: In Slovak I've been told that "cool cat" is "cool mačka", they don't appear to have their own word for cool... Jared Preston 20:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Many languages dont have an equavalent to "cool", so we need aproximations ;). -- Cat chi? 20:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
You'll have to make do with what you've got :-P but I can help you with the Russian – the adjective "крутой" means "sharp" ;-) Jared Preston 20:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I've added a literal meaning in Russian. The word крутой has several meanings (see [57]), but I assume the third one is most appropriate for "cool" (though I'm no linguist). Conscious 12:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Cheap tactics revelaed

You may want to read some of the cheap tactics confessed by Fadix and THOTH [58] :) 18:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, What am I supposed to be looking for? Can you clarify what you mean by "cheap tactics"? -- Cat chi? 20:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

THOTH speaking to Fadix: "... However, in times past, I have refused to make certain posts (that you scripted for me - etc) under different usernames to support your positions as you requested of me - and I have this well as other similar things... I am sorry that this has made you upset - that I have not proven as mallable as you wished - though I have cooperated on some things - haven't I? (nothing deceptive however - as I don't go for all of this silly personal intrigue). Shall I go on or shall I just introduce this evidence into your proceedings?"

Fadix speaking to THOTH: "...You're being childishtic, two times I have been requesting things involving the creation of usernames, recent one was implying what I needed a Turk to do(that part was an indirect request to that other person, as far as I know you don't know Turkish), and you know what happened, a Turk offered to help me(and I hope you are respectful enought to keep that persons identity private). Two Wikipedian members are aware of the situation and know why I did that, and another veteran, also administrator El_C who I said about the email I recieved during the period was warned by me about the situation which I considered premedited. I needed to know who was doing that and the only way for me to know was a Turk registering and supporting me so that the responsable email that person and so I accumulate that evidence(implicated with Tommiks cases) during the RfAr I was planing at that time forcing the responsable to come clean privatly(I know it wasn't clean, I admit) by email and retreaving that evidence. But I forgot to say that Turk to have a valid email and that person didn't had much time so I didn't wanted to bother that person(if you visit that registered users talkpage(the one you were witness of what I requested that person to say), you will read my past request about having a valid email) so I settled for a checkuser for that time being, which was refused. Either way, that person was really a Turk and was really supporting me, while this was durty, you can't use this, since it isen't against any policies or guidelines, and I admit that it was also motivated by the need of gaining some support against later, the IP unregistered users. " 20:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thats a copy of the msg posted on the page you linked. What part of it is "cheep tactic"? I just don't want to jump to conclusions as both sides (Fadix THOTH) are ranting on... -- Cat chi? 20:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm not sure what you consider appropriate. But Fadix requesting THOTH to create different usernames, and asking to post messages scripted by himself under these 'fake' usernames does not sound normal to me.
Similarly, Fadix trying to find a Turkish speaking user to manipulate the talk page is not innocent. Anyway, this is FYI only. I'm not planning to pursue anything out of this. Best 21:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me know. -- Cat chi? 21:23, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kurdish inhabited regions (again)

Hey, I'd like to notify you that the category will probably be kept per perhaps some politicaly motivated keep votes unlike Category:Hispanic inhabited regions which will be deleted. -- Cat chi? 13:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not surprised that the discrepancy happened. Just shows that logic is lacking somewhere...  ;-) CovenantD 20:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. Now what should we do with the category? Since it is very hard to get anything related to the kurds deleted... -- Cat chi? 20:41, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, if the objection is that it's vague, then it needs to be refined somehow, although in this case that means the cat name has to be longer. BTW, you can just leave responses here. I'll check. No sense in having the exact same messages in two places. CovenantD 20:50, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
As you wish. :)
People voted delete to a category that had solid basis from a census (Hispanic one). As per that the category with no census to back it up should be speedied... I do not see a reasonable way to refine the category... It will be pov no matter what we try.
-- Cat chi? 20:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
You probably know more about the ins and outs of Wikipolicy than I do. From the feelings and politics involved, I don't see getting consensus to delete. The best I see happening is a rename to something less vague. Kurdish inhabited regions based on a CIA map? I don't know... CovenantD 21:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Posible, perhaps: Category:Kurdish inhabited regions based on the map by the Centeral Intelligence Agency. Ah... the rant...
Politics should not determine what is wikipedia worthy, wikipedia is not a soapbox (WP:NOT policy) for that. However you do have a point.
It was fairly easy to get Syrian Kurdistan deleted (though I was not involved in any way). Turkish Kurdistan however is there.
These articles and categories in my view fall under Wikipedia:Content forking, however I do not consider myself to be the most objective person in treating articles related to Kurdistan etc... I'd like you to have a read of it if you have the time.
-- Cat chi? 21:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I can't promise I'll get to them today, but I will put them on the short list. CovenantD 21:30, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I want to ask some advice. Category:Hispanic inhabited regions was deleted with ease for being vauge even though a solid census provided data regarding Hispanic inhabitance. However Category:Kurdish inhabited regions survived two cfd's with no consensus even though it is much more vauge than the Hispanic counterpart as there isn't even a census to back up Kurdish inhabitance.

I feel some of the keep votes are politicaly motivated. How should I deal with this? -- Cat chi? 11:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Since it is more or less clear that the category is going to stay, it may be a good idea to ensure that it contains what it should contain. There's at least one piece of reliable information. Conscious 11:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I feel the category is being nothing but a pov fork... But that aside, how should I use the map? Tag everything inside the border as kurdish inhabited? Should Kurdish inhabited regions be a sub cat of Kurdistan? I really need guidance. -- Cat chi? 14:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
What you say sounds like a good idea to me... As for pov fork, I don't know. IMO "Kurdish inhabited regions" is a better category label for, say, Şırnak Province than "Kurdistan". It sounds more factual. Conscious 14:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I am still unconfortable in declaring a place kurdish inhabited w/o census data... -- Cat chi? 15:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish blogs

I was wondering what you intended with this article. We have a an article for Blog... -- Cat chi? 22:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

cp. Iranian blogs --Jpbrenna 22:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd prefer a reasoning. From my perspective both articles do not cover anything blog doesn't, both happen to be for link spam, and both can be argued to be pov forks...
It would really help if I knew what they were for. Are they about the bloggs or people getting 'opressed'
-- Cat chi? 23:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
They are about blogging in specific communities, like Canadian blogosphere and other articles on Wikipedia. It's true, the Kurdish and Iranian articles as they stand now are about one-half link repository; this should be corrected by destubbing the articles, not eliminating them. Article blog is not community-specific. We have articles separate from Education concerning Education in the United States and Education in France; I don't see how either of them are "POV forks," and I don't see how these blog articles are either. --Jpbrenna 01:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't going to prpose them for deletion. I just felt they needed some attention, which you agree.
I am concerned about statemens such as "Blogging in Iran operates under special circumstances as the Iranian government tends to discourage self-expression" (weasle words, who says so) or "This is something they have not always been able to do via other media" (there were kurdish websites and Kurdish tv networks). Statements such as those imply "pov forking". Of course the intention wasn't that but it appears that way.
Also I recomend a categorisation for all the "blog" related articles.
-- Cat chi? 10:58, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

need your help

Hi, I am a new user who found your page by just clicking through links and ended up at Prodego's page. I only know a very little about editing and stuff. Could you tell me where I can learn to write wiki markup and find all the stuff that I need to learn while being here, if there is such a place? Thanks. Twasmetrec 21:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll gladly try to help. But perhaps it is best to keep this as a Q&A -- Cat chi? 23:56, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Cool Cat, I got your comment. Thanks for agreeing to help me. I can always use all the help I can get. I like your name. I have a cousin that edits here and her name is Metrocat. She says it's pretty cool here but kind of weird. I can't remember the exact thing I was asking about, but when I do I'll ask you in a Q and A thing, I guess. Why do you want Q and A? Well thanks again for your support. Twasmetrec 08:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
The topic of editing wikipedia is a vast area. You do not need to know everything to edit. Based on questions, I can assist you in portions os wiki markup you are interested in. -- Cat chi? 11:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


"Now who will we go to when we are wiki-sick?"

What about those who are feeling wiki-sick because fo the positions of Doc and his friends, especially Tony Sidaway and Cyde? Jay Maynard 02:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I am not sure what you ment by that. Mind elaborating :) -- Cat chi? 11:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Fair use debate regarding television screencaps

Currently, there is a debate on Talk:List of Lost episodes regarding whether or not use of a 1/30th stillframe visual excerpt next to a list of audiovisual works (such as List of Lost episodes or List of Star Trek: Enterprise episodes) is in accordance with WP:Fair use, and has even resulted in the protection of the page.

If you have any opinions regarding fair use on the List of Lost episodes page, please feel free to express them as I believe these two pages are sister projects.

Cws125 05:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I commented there -- Cat chi? 11:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

A star for your efforts

BarnSakura.png Manga and Anime BarnSakura Award
For the fact that every single anime article I ever look at seems to have you as a major editor, I award you this barnstarflower. -Goldom (t) (Review) 08:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Domo arigaro Goldom-san -- Cat chi? 11:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Scout box

FYI, your Scout user box points to an old title of the Eagle Scout article. It's now called Eagle Scout (Boy Scouts of America). Rlevse 19:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, fixed. I also noticed several BSA ranks went AFK (merged somehow). I restored those too. -- Cat chi? 20:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
They were mereged for a reason. I wish you hadn't done that. Rlevse 20:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I wish I was informed about this merge in march. The merged article is in my view a mess and I am quite experienced with featured lists. -- Cat chi? 20:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
It is not anyone's job to inform you personally of a merge. It's your responsibility to set a watch on an article of interest and respond to changes you see. I and others do not think they are a mess, it puts the info in one spot. You also took this action without any discussion and accuse Gadget, et al of no discussion, yet there was lots of it if you'd watched the articles, etc. Rlevse 20:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok here is how I will do this. I am going to forget about this issue for a day or two until things cool down. This is being highly unproductive. -- Cat chi? 21:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
You've no one but yourself to blame for this due to making wholesale changes without any chance for discussion whatsover; at least Gadget posted merge notices. Agree to a few day wait. Rlevse 21:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Large scale merging

Please try to avoid large scale merges w/o discussion. I have restored the BSA rank articles... -- Cat chi? 19:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Merge tags were placed on each article on 16 Mar 2006. No objections were made on any of the individual articles, thus the merge was made 7 days later on 23 Mar. Discussion did take place, specifically on the Scouting portal and at Talk:Boy Scouts (Boy Scouts of America)/Archive 1. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC) And at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/RulesStandards. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow- you've been busy today! --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Not quite. My busy days have several hundered edits per day.
I created all of those articles merged. Since my creation they were somewhat expanded (I was couting on someones eagle project covering the topic).
The 7 day rule doesn't mean anything to me as I have thousands of articles on my watchlist. I think it wouldn't have hurt to inform me.
I feel the individual rank articles have a potential to expand given time each rank has a history after all (see eagle article). A merge is unnecessary.
-- Cat chi? 20:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Why is it okay for you to make wholesale reversions without any chance of discussion by others but Gadget can't make merges after posting merge notices? Rlevse 21:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Re Cool Cat's talk input of 7 June...I offer my talk page as a single point for this discussion. Rlevse 17:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

User: Clevelander

User: Clevelander has made some 10-15 consecutive edits in the Hamshenis page. He saves a page for each comma he has displaced which makes it rather difficult to find out what he has changed. I saw that he is of Armenian descent (therefore naturally interested in the stuff). I also saw that he has had a big dispute with fellow Armenians on the subject of pulling out Armenian Americans from a general List of Armenians article to include them in a self-made List of Armenian-Americans article. He lost the debate and now he is around here. I discussed with him briefly on Hamshenis talk page to see him off smoothly. He is gone now. He is in the neighborhood of Nagorno-Karabakh and Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline putting good order in those issues. On his way out, he discovered a sizable Georgian community in Ardahan and duly re-phrased the photograph caption, all this sitting behind a desk in Cleveland. I will wait a few days to make sure that he is busy tidying other parts of the world and then recuperate the Turkey-related articles he has been in. I think that is the best way to take this kind of contributor. She is putting good order to the world through an internet encyclopedia and won't leave before having planted a flag on a promontory.

If you are interested in sea mammals, check this [59]. It is not, of course, unless the wifey is from St. Louis and the mother is in Bali. But it is close (there are photographs), and sometimes even associable (they had to run for their lives during the 2004 tsunami). I don't like the letters DB anyway, they are always associable.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cretanforever (talkcontribs)

[60]... I see he added 350,000 to the number of people in the table, removed Category:Ethnic groups in Turkey... Weasle words: Whether Christian or Muslim, most Armenians are willing to work with and try to understand their ethnic cousins. It isn't all that difficult. Problematic for certain.
-- Cat chi? 21:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
What about ? I dont think I get the picture... -- Cat chi? 21:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikisickness, continued

What I was referring to was the endless debate over userboxes. You'd commented that Doc Glasgow was someone to whom people could come when they were feeling wikisick...but he was one of the people causing it with his position in the userbox debates, along with Tony Sidaway and Cyde. They've all got me feeling sick and depressed because of the unilateral, scorched-earth, bullying tactics they've used to deny that Wikipedia is a community of diverse people with diverse interests and diverse PsOV.

Hence my question: Who do I turn to? Jay Maynard 21:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Err... Doc Glasgow is an awsome vandal fighter and a close friend. I'd gladly exchange him for all the userboxes on my userpage, and I am quite protective of them...
POV boxes were declared bad by Jimbo Wales, as they started being counter productive... The second Jimbo made his ruling, the debate ended. Like it or not Jimbo Wales and WMF owns wikipedia servers. Doc was only enforcing that.
-- Cat chi? 22:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Except that, by his own words, Jimbo was not making policy, and not encouraging people to go on a deletion spree. But that's neither here nor there, for the moment...I hate to see any valued contributor leave. I just wish that those on the other side of the issue saw that's what they're doing. Jay Maynard 22:26, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I for one see the entier userbox issue an exagaration. When the "war" broke out I subst: my userbox templates (none were political). Waited a month or two and found out my precation wasn't even necesary.
I would wish to see people evolved culturaly beyond prejudice, sadly however there are many who disagrees with that kind of ideology. Userboxes with political or religious content facilitates and sparks this prejudice. Of course you taking the time talking to me aren't the prejudicing kind, but not everyone is like you.
Some people have difficulty supressing their emotions and views, other than that they are excellent contributors. It would not be wise to slap a patriotic american with a userbox showing US army people beheaded etc. (and that user contributing to say Sep/11th attacks). Placing a limit to such cases is the problem, safest would be to delete anything political.
-- Cat chi? 01:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
The problem I have is that it's the user's actions that count, not their beliefs. Only when their beliefs leak into their actions is it that it's a problem (and I'm not in any way trying to minimize it) for Wikipedia. Just because someone is a Republican and proud of it does not mean they're putting a Republican POV into their articles; indeed, it could well mean just the opposite. I put the User republican tag on my page, when I had them at all, so that others could watch and make sure I wasn't writing with that bias.
In any event, this has all been hashed out at great (some might say, with justification, interminable) length other places. My comment was aimed more at the toll this has taken on me, personally. Jay Maynard 01:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
What about a userbox portaying blacks in general for being fundemetaly stupid or whites being arrogant, Japanese being tretrous, muslims barnaric... How is all that creating a friendly and civil environment? -- Cat chi? 23:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes (again)

I am considering withdrawing my nomination since people are comlaining the silly about everything in no way in accordance with criteria.

Some of the oppose votes are for images being fair use, while another complains that dvd images are inaproporate and instead screenshots should be used (something whelmingly opposed on other noms). Some oppose because tables "look ugly".

What do you think. Does it have any chance of surviving the flc since I can't satisfy conflicting views... -- Cat chi? 13:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

As long as images have Fair Use rationales (and they do) the objection is not valid and thus I wouldn't consider it. Uglyness is a factor sometimes, but what people are expecting to see is a class="wikitable" sort of thing (so that's easily addressed). I haven't really gone through the nomination this time (fairly busy week at work) but I'd recommend you not to withdraw it. Good luck. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 13:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok. I'll wait then. :)
class="wikitable" doesn't work properly on firefox on larger tables (and the one we have is decently large). The current table header is the modified version of wikitable compensating for the problem (and blue bg instead of grey).
-- Cat chi? 13:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


I am going to nominate this image for speedy deletion as now there is a .png version of the same image: Image:RedPencil.png. Any objections? -- Cat chi? 13:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

No objections from me. I only used it for a one-off at the Reference desk. - Nunh-huh 18:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually it might be best if you speedy deleted it yourself. :) -- Cat chi? 18:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Done. (How do you manage to have your talk page in such a nice font?) - Nunh-huh 19:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat/Talk Template does the trick. <div style="margin-left:6px; margin-right:6px; margin-top:6px; font-family: 'Georgia';"> to be more spesific. -- Cat chi? 19:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Probably beyond my ken ... doesn't that rely on no one messing up the closing div? Nevertheless, here goes nothing.... Nunh-huh 20:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Well... the dıv is intentionaly left broken so it apllies to all sections below it. I keep everything but usercomments on that sub page which makes it harder for people to mess with it... -- Cat chi? 17:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


Whoooo! ORANGE! effeietsanders 20:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

This is a formal warning. Orange has been declared illegal! -- Cat chi? 20:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Reistance is futile. Orange will take over the world! Whoooo! effeietsanders 21:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I am Species 8471 in disguise, resistance is not futile... And borg prefers green. -- Cat chi? 21:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Osman Nuri Topbas

We need a Turkish speaker to help us determine what to do with this mostly untranslated article. Could you please take a look and comment on the notability of this person? Thank you, Kusma (討論) 03:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I commented on the afd page. -- Cat chi? 10:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Boy Scout rank articles

The following articles have been updated. Links have been fixed, the requirement lists were switched to references and other general cleanup.

--Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Userpage and talk page

care to exchange designs? -- Cat chi? 17:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Computerjoe's talk 18:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I would be interested in designing each other's page. However, I would like to know what exactly you are after. Computerjoe's talk 18:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Nothing in particular. Just the 'cultural'/'creative' exchange. -- Cat chi? 18:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Cool! Computerjoe's talk 18:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

comment on Category:Imposters of Moby Dick cfd

Hmm.. such is wide spread. see: Category:Imposters of Cool Cat, Category:Imposters of Shanel etc -- Cat chi? 18:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I wasn't aware of that! What a strange world Wiki seems to be. Both examples you gave me are really below the belt. Are you not interested in getting deleted the category related to you? I must say I find it in bad taste! Bertilvidet 18:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
The categories help us keep track of such accounts. It is easier to make sure they stay blocked.
Also people writing vandal fighting scrits use such usernames on the category to create better ways in detecting and blockıng such accounts often before they are ever used.
Obviously I have not had sex with half a dozen wikipedia admins, so I do not see the problem with the category ^_^
-- Cat chi? 19:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


Interesting username, I am curious what inspired it. :) -- Cat chi? 17:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad you find my username interesting, thanks . There's no real inspiration behind it though. I simply put a group of words togeather and that's how the final result came out.
Noble Skuld the Legend Killer 18:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Skuld is actually a legendary character in norse mythology as well as on the anime Oh My Goddess!. Cheers. -- Cat chi? 19:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Lucky bastard/Thanks!

Heh you are famous now. I kida envy that. Congrats. -- Cat chi? 18:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey Cool Cat, I'm actually quite disappointed, I was hoping for a BBC interview. :p Ciao, —Khoikhoi 00:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


Selam.U still have not replied to my call on whether the statistics in Anatolian Turkish diaspora come from UMAK (i am sure u know if they are!). well, the result was, of cource 'keep', without me voting for 'delete'... Anyway, i would appreciate a reply on my question... Thanks. --Hectorian 00:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Konnichi wa! I have no idea where statistics on Anatolian Turkish diaspora came from. Have you tried reviewing Turkish people? It has some decent citation apperantly. Also if you are sure where they are from, why are you asking me? -- Cat chi? 11:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
No, i am asking u cause i am not sure, and i thought that u may be (since u edit a lot in turkish-related articles). I know about USAK... so, perhaps it would be better to remove the sentence that refers to it in Anatolian Turkish diaspora, since there is no source or link. Regards. --Hectorian 16:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I have no knowledge of ISRO, their activities, etc. I was even unaware of its existence until I inquired "Think Tank" article after watching Star Trek: Voyager episode "Think Tank".
There are a vast number of articles related to Turkey, and I actually edit a very small minority. Most of my edits go to Japanese Anime and Star Trek.
Why not ask someone who has been actually involved with that article?
-- Cat chi? 18:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Scouting articles

CC: We've posted a message about the advancement articles on our ScoutingWikiProject's "Current Issues" section, here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting/Todo#Current_issues to see what others think of what the state of the advancment articles should be. We'll wait a few days to see what, if any, input we get and go from there. FYI, the main project page is here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting and the portal page is here Portal:Scouting . Rlevse 01:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

An excellent idea. Is it ok if I join the project? -- Cat chi? 11:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

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Silver vs Gold

CC: Silver comes before gold in Olympic medals, but not Eagle Palms--read up on it. The reason is that when palms were created, silver was worth more than gold, so silver was made the highest palm and BSA has never changed that. r/ Rlevse 20:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh... silly me :) -- Cat chi? 21:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Russian Scout graphic

Thank you so much for restoring that graphic! Cool Cat indeed! :) This was one of the images my Wife created for me, it means more than I can explain. Thank you so much. Chris 06:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem, you might want to keep backups of important images. ;)
-- Cat chi? 18:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Zedler and PuTTY

  1. Double-click on your PPK file and enter the password; this starts Pageant
  2. Find the Pageant icon in the system tray, right-click it and choose New Session
  3. Enter a name for the session, e.g. "Toolserver"; set the hostname to
  4. Choose the connection->data node from the left and enter your username under "auto login username"
  5. Choose the connection->ssh->auth node from the left
  6. Hit browse and select your PPK file
  7. Go back to the session node on the left
  8. Click Save
  9. Click Load

In future, just right-click the Pageant icon, point to Load Session, and click on your set-up session

Hope this helps. robchurch | talk 13:11, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

User talk:White Cat/Explanation

Err? What was that about? -- Cat chi? 20:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I think I owe you an explanation. Sorry for any inconvenience or shock. The edit from the anon which you reverted yourself earlier today as vandalism contained personal information about someone who has been a victim of serious harassment, so I removed it from the history. Your page has now been restored. (It's a nice page, by the way.) See here for further information. Cheers. AnnH 20:11, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh I wasn't in shock, just the audio alert "Warning! User talk:Cool Cat has been deleted!" got me curious.. :) I actually never noticed the personal info :P
All I have to say is, carry on. :)
-- Cat chi? 20:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


Comments such as "Otaku own the internet, and the Wiki, like the internet, bends to their wishes. " is not creating a pleasant environment and is most certainly not improving the article. May I ask what are you intending to achieve on Talk:Kawaii with such comments? -- Cat chi? 20:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

As a response to the user's obvious question, I felt it best to be blunt and a little "tongue in cheek". Simple explanation: is often used by writers as a warning that the following comment will be overly insensitive, due to time limitations, etc. Since I also forwarded him to longer, more accurate sources I don't feel my comment was out of place. I do believe that Chokaro's comment was also meant as "tongue in cheek", as nobody really plans on fighting any "wars" over Wikipedia.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  02:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I think an actual straight answer (as per consensus, see arcives) would be more aproporate. Referring to an otaku cabal is inaproporate and is no way to refer to fellow wikipedians (myself included).
Chokaro's comment can be easily be interpreted as an invitation to a revert war. Please be sensative with your responses so as to make sure we avoid unnecessary confrontations.
-- Cat chi? 11:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Inappropriate? Have you checked google lately?
I assume you've read Wikipedia:Assume bad faith and I still don't see how my comments relate to you in the slightest. I would appreciate it if you didn't accuse me of seeking an "unnecessary confrontation" with you, when I have don't nothing of the sort.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  06:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
You were 'blaming' otaku for the existence of the Kawaii article, I find that attitude hostile and uncivil. Just because there are google hits doesn't give you the excuse to be uncivil. All I gave you was a friendly warning so that you evade a confortation with some other person (not me) which you interprted as an accusation... -- Cat chi? 13:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
While I understand that you feel something is uncivil, I still fail to see why. As a side, please don't bend the facts. not creating a pleasant environment and is most certainly not improving the article sounds much more like an accusation than a warning to me. Usually friendly warnings work like "Hey, would you mind not saying stuff like that? I know you were just poking fun but it kind of bugs me" but then again, I don't really expect you to be friendly, and I don't mind being accused; you've been friendly enough to me before and I know basically what to expect of you. Also, I'd like to remind you again of something you said, May I ask what are you intending to achieve [...] with such comments?, which is clearly asking for my opinion on this matter, and I have respectfully done so.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  00:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say. All I have to add to my previous statement is, avoid comnnets such as Otaku own the internet etc... This chain of comments is being most unproductive. -- Cat chi? 00:35, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


I realised I havent yet created this anime an episode list... I think I will in a day or two (I generally create the hole thing in one edit) -- Cat chi? 21:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Funny I just happened to catch you creating that article (I was about to do the same), but I really don't think we should go with the OMG format with Air. By only having two episodes each, there is a LOT of wasted space. Personally, I think we should just move over the tables we already have in the main article. --SeizureDog 19:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
You see the raw version, I haven't even started. -- Cat chi? 19:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Still, that's twice as much space to fill per episode. What are you going to flesh it out with? Summary?--SeizureDog 19:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Isn't that how it is on OMG article? ;) -- Cat chi? 19:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Except for OMG the titles themselves take up 3 lines, and there are 3 episodes per disc instead of 2. You're going to have to write about x4 as much summary as OMG does if you don't want it looking empty.--SeizureDog 19:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
OMG has a simple story plot compared to Air's drama. I do not believe the 4x as much summary will be too challenging. -- Cat chi? 21:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Don't forget that you also need to keep the spoiler count down in that x4 summary too though...--SeizureDog 21:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I actually need help with one mater. I am not certain with what dvd did the recap episode was given out with (if it was at all). -- Cat chi? 01:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Isn't it this?--SeizureDog 02:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

On another note, why is every DVD cover you put except for the first one different from the ones I'm finding on looky It says you're finding these pictures on Amazon but what's your search term? I can't even FIND the freaking things in the English side. --SeizureDog 02:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I actually searched for "Air" on (remember, the name isnt avalible in kanji). There are a lot of false hits but eventually you get to the anime. There are two versions of the dvd covers. I picked the ones that featured the characters more, with the exeption if the first one which the alternative is ridiclously low on quality.
Air hasn't been licensed in the US yet (to my knowledge) so it is quite normal why it is not on
-- Cat chi? 04:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Silly me, I didn't open the images all the way. Seems that hosts the images for all languages. Also, would you mind drawing up a character table such for the OMG characters? I could start working on those articles. I'm not sure how many fields will be needed though, as I'm not sure if there is random information for the characters height and such.--SeizureDog 04:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
It shall be done. -- Cat chi? 08:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if Air is technically a series. A series implies sequels. Air just got remade...3 times. It's kinda like calling Romeo and Juliet a series when it has so many adaptations. Do I have a better suggestion? No. I just felt like pointing it out as it's likely to bug the hell out of me. Oh me and the things I focus on :P --SeizureDog 11:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The anime has a ridiclously siple title... Air... I mean wtf were the creators thinking? Technically the OMG OVA and the OMG TV series are unrelated. OVA is a prarllel universe on its own detached even from manga. TV is... different from the manga. Movie is well also different. Mini series has a mind of its own. Its kinda the same deal with air just that air's stories are much closely related.
I just dont like labeling Air as a game, an anime or a manga etc since its both and more...
-- Cat chi? 15:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Ranks and insignia of NATO armies officers needs to be fixed please

I am not good at fix html, but I noticed something wrong with this page. The American Officers is wrong. “Second Lieutenant” is O-1 and “General of the Army” is not O-10, but it is a rank reserved for war, which is correct. So, to fix the American Army ranks on this page, just move “First Lieutenant” to the O-2 position, and then move all the other ones up one and that will fix it, an