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The Signpost: 21 May 2014[edit]

Kelle Roos[edit]

Thanks for the heads-up, I've tagged as G4. GiantSnowman 07:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks![edit]

Thanks for your comments on the Vince Molinaro AfD. BTW, I did a little background reading on EEng. I started to see a pattern of behavior after I read this and this. Interesting reading. Anyhow, I'm fed up with his like so I'm done with Wikipedia. Cheers! Woz2 (talk) 00:53, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I do hope you won't let one obnoxious editor drive you off the project. Most of the time you are just better off ignoring them or refuting them civilly and moving on. What people like EEng don't grasp is that being rude and condescending towards others in what is supposed to be a collegial discussion, is almost always counterproductive. It offends others and is likely to damage whatever position they are trying to advance. If the facts are on your side then state your case clearly and let the community and reviewing admins weigh everything. I can't imagine anyone reading the conversation between the two of you and not coming to the conclusion that EEng was being a jerk. But those kinds of people exist everywhere. Sometimes in life you just have to learn to deal with rude people. Anyway, I hope you stick around. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:04, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Yes, 95% of the people on Wikipedia are nice, but I just don't feel like taking the grief from the minority any more. In real life, rude people are much easier to face down. It's the anonymity of Wikipedia that exacerbates it. It doesn't happen on social networks that use real names. Woz2 (talk) 14:23, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 May 2014[edit]

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Talkback[edit]

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A kitten for you![edit]

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It's good to see I'm not alone in finding some people a bit trigger-happy with putting articles up for deletion, even if it does turn out that the song Scalliwag never becomes notable!

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Thank you. I love pets. Especially the ones I don't have to feed... ;-) -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 04 June 2014[edit]

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people[edit]

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Deletion request, Samuel Kalimahana Miller[edit]

I have to agree with you. There are other sources but as far as being notable for a specific reason, the answers all seem to fall back to one person. I have been contemplating moving all the content to another related article ad requesting deletion. Been off and on Wikipedia, but since you spotted this I should go ahead and do it now to speed things up.--Mark Miller (talk) 19:32, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I think I should still be seen as the only substantial contributor, so I have blanked the page and added the G7 tag for page blanking/author requested deletion. The subject may be more natable, but at the moment I think his other family achieved more and a note on other articles to save the information and sources is best.--Mark Miller (talk) 19:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 11 June 2014[edit]

Why are you interfering on my articles???[edit]

Now please do understand u mr. reverter,Harati or Hariti is a goddess who is not so popular but carries huge importance for her devotees & followers! Many people even don't know her so,how could you expect that a detailed information may be on a reference site???? Just listen to me,Harati Maa is my goddess & I know well about her! So let me just write about my goddess! if u r still not convinced ,google harati maa and visit each & every websites then u will get my points .now could u please .stop obstructing my articles????? -_- I dont know about ur religion but you'd possibly don't like being interfered in religious matters and about your god! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mintu.Awal789 (talkcontribs) 18:58, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mintu.Awal789. Thanks for your message. A couple of quick points; I have no issue whatsoever with your religious beliefs, or anyone else's. This is not about religion, it's about the standards of an encyclopedia. This article has been on here for a decade or so if I recall my edit history check correctly and in that entire time I haven't seen any sources. Wikipedia is not here to promote or disparage any religion. It is here to serve as an encyclopedia and that requires uniform standards. Those standards can be found in a number of different places but I would encourage you to read the following pages so you understand what needs to be included in any article on Wikipedia... WP:N, WP:GNG, WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:BURDEN. Also original research or personal knowledge is not admissible as a source for any article or content added to one. Please see WP:OR. I would respectfully ask that you refrain from editing the article until you have read those pages and are prepared to cite sources for any content that is added. Finally you also need to understand that once an article is posted on Wikipedia it belongs to the community. No one "owns" any articles here. See WP:OWN. In closing be assured that I am not trying to annoy you, nor am I hostile to your religious beliefs. This is not personal. It's just an encyclopedia with standards that everybody has to adhere to. Feel free to drop me a line here if you have any more questions or concerns. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:06, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 18 June 2014[edit]

Chelseajenny90 (talk) 17:51, 22 June 2014 (UTC) I see you have deleted the entry for Jonathan Power even though over the last 2 weeks I have gone to some trouble to amend it to meet the criticism you and Clive Power have made. ( I wonder if Clive Power is related to Jonathon Power whose entry is next to Jonathan Power?- Is there some competition here?!) (By the way the name Jonathan is spelt with an o not an a in the squash player,s case. May be they shouldn't be on the same page!)

As you must know by now Jonathan Power is one of the most well-known and respected journalists working. For years he has resisted going on Wickipedia as he doesn't like to see publicity other than his bi-line. But I and a few other people who know his work persuaded him to let us try and make a site. It is certainly not an auto biography. It just talks about his accomplishments.

As to particular things you and Clive Power have challenged I have tried to clarify the points made about the Venice silver medal film "It's Ours Whatever They Say". This was won jointly by Jonathan and Jenny Barraclough. Jonathan was the reporter and producer and Jenny was the director. With the BBC and London and Edinburgh Film Festivals it was Jonathan who got first mention among the credits. In Venice it was, as their tradition, the other way round. Jenny Barraclough says she would be only too happy to confirm this with you. Her email is: jenny.barraclough gmail.com. You can also check with the UK government's British Council who selected this film as the UK entry.

I Have not finished doing the footnotes for every article and interview as it is a laborious process. But be assured this will be done as soon as I have the green light from you.

Regards, Jenny Eklund.

Hmmm. I didn't delete any article. I'm not an Admin so I don't have that button. Oddly though I can't find it and I do remember adding a note on the talk page. It seems to have fallen off my contrib log as well. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:28, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Ah. I found the answer. It has in fact been deleted. From the deletion log... 18:13, 22 June 2014 C.Fred (talk | contribs) deleted page Jonathan Power (G4, also copyvio concerns raised) -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:33, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources[edit]

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Dianne van Giersbergen[edit]

if you can compose the article by Dianne van Giersbergen do, but don´t be rude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IvanRSsenite (talkcontribs) 18:48, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

IvanRSsenite, I am unsure as to what you are referring. I placed a PROD Notice on the article which I believe was worded in a fair and matter of fact manner. If you have a more specific issue please let me know. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:56, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 25 June 2014[edit]

Talkback[edit]

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Response to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of the mothers of Georgian monarchs[edit]

Due to the fact that I wasn't able to response to your vote. Here we go: "I have been lurking on this AfD since it first appeared and have been deeply conflicted. For the most part I was leaning towards deleting it on the legalistic grounds generally cited by those who want to get rid of it. But the above comments have changed my mind. In addition to the excellent points made by Roy, I will add another observation. Members of royal families, with a few admitted exceptions, should be notable. That's not to say that they should be given a pass the way we have with colleges and high schools. But rather that members of royal families almost always will have enough sources around somewhere to ring the notability bell." — I am not arguing for deletion because I believe Georgian royals to non-notable. I created List of Georgian consorts and helped clean up many articles about Georgian kings and queens. My argument is the list of mothers is trivial and not up to Wikipedia standard. We don't have any such list anywhere else in Western monarchies. If there was a distinct title documented in sources such as Queens mother or Valide Sultan that would be different, we have had articles like this, but no this is a list of people who didn't have a distinct title. It is just a trivial list."
"Which brings us to the bias problem mentioned by Roy. It's not just recentism, but also Western and Anglophone bias. If the subject of the list was the mothers of the Kings and Queens of England we would not be here right now." — Don't be too sure. I would vote for such lists' deletions as strongly. The fact is we don't have such an article. Examples such as English queens dowager actually documents a title which existed in sources. --The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 08:01, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)[edit]

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  • Decline If I am not technologically illiterate then I am very close it. I am not competent to express an opinion on this topic. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:18, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 02 July 2014[edit]

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The Signpost: 09 July 2014[edit]

ANI notification[edit]

Hi, re this ANI notification: please add a link to the relevant thread. Primarily this is for the benefit of the IP concerned, but also for people like me who have been watching the IP's talk page for some weeks, but can't work out which ANI thread is the one pertaining to 94.193.131.253. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

The ANI thread is here. I think it was briefly (by accident) deleted by another editor. It has been restored. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:28, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 23 July 2014[edit]

A Barnstar for You![edit]

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For consistent and careful application of our notability criteria in AfD discussions. RomanSpa (talk) 13:24, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! That was very kind and I tip my hat to you. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:10, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome - I've noticed your name in quite a few discussions, and it's always nice to see someone who debates with a high level of care and attention. Have a great day! RomanSpa (talk) 18:38, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

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ISIS and terrorism[edit]

I could not agree more with your comment on the Talk page. I am one of only two people who are trying to get some sensible wording in about ISIS being terrorists. I have even put some wording on the Talk page that passes Wikipedia’s “rules” (which incidentally I have only just discovered are not meant to be hard and fast), but after the first flurry no-one seems interested any more. It is very frustrating. There is supposed to be consensus before the next edit on this, but if the silence continues, I will go ahead and make it. It is utter madness for Wikipedia not to acknowledge loud and clear that ISIS are terrorists, when everyone else in the West is screaming it. Stephen Glover in the “Daily Mail” today calls ISIS “psychopathic”. How right he is. --P123ct1 (talk) 08:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you both. This is a classic case of what I talked about repeatedly on my Talk page. WP can no longer be credible if the "terrorists" most barbaric in the world are still not called terrorists by WP. Yes, it violates WP:COMMONSENSE and a bunch of other WP rules. Worldedixor (talk) 09:27, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

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Translated article got Speedy deletion[edit]

Hello Ad Orientem,

I created a new article of ATEN International Co., Ltd yesterday which I directly translated from the wiki of Traditional Chinese, https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%8F%E6%AD%A3%E8%87%AA%E5%8B%95%E7%A7%91%E6%8A%80. I think it is OK to do the translation as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:FreeRangeFrog#article_translation .

I just translated the article from Traditional Chinese to English without modification and I have included all the references and sources. May I know why you would put this article for Speedy deletion ?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisclock (talkcontribs) 03:54, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Sorry, I should have dropped a note on your talk page letting you know that I removed the CSD tags shortly after putting them up. The article is highly promotional, indeed it may qualify for a speedy delete on that basis alone. But after looking carefully I think there is a marginal claim for notability and where possible I prefer to err on the side of retention. I have tagged it as an advertisement and strongly suggest some editing to tone it down. In particular the awards list is ridiculous and most are non-notable. -Ad Orientem (talk) 11:02, 5 August 2014 (UTC)


  • Thank you for your reply. I am sorry that this translated article may look promotional. May I know what are non-notable in the awards list please ? Chrisclock (talk) 03:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion[edit]

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Rising Star Casino Resort[edit]

Article you PRODed - restored as contested PROD. You may wish to consider WP:AfD Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:00, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Was just wondering what happened there. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 13 August 2014[edit]


wikipedia hypocrisy and double standards[edit]

your reasoning behind wanting to keep demet muftuoglu's page is that you got a lot of hits on google search. if that is the basis of wanting to keep and putting an article about someone on wiki, why was AMANDA ELIASCH deleted who is actually very well known in the UK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.22.228.31 (talk) 02:40, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

It's not just the number of hits, it's the quality of the hits. The subject demet muftuoglu is extensively covered in multiple reliable secondary sources establishing encyclopedic notability. A quick glance at the deletion log shows that AMANDA ELIASCH has been repeatedly deleted for reasons mostly involving blatant advertising or copyright violations. If you need some pointers in how to write a good article drop me a line, and I will try to help. -Ad Orientem (talk) 09:24, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

but that is exactly my point. both articles were written in exactly the same fashion and style. you choose to save demet muftuoglu but remove amanda eliasch. however, amanda eliasch is far more notable than muftuoglu and has been extensively covered in multiple reliable secondary sources from leading world renowned publications to top magazines and newspapers and also featured on TV. please do a google search on eliasch and you will see the quality of hits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.22.228.31 (talk) 17:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually I didn't do anything with any of the various amanda eliasch articles as far as I recall. But if you want, I suggest creating an account here and then writing up an article with proper sources in your sandbox. I will be happy to look at it and let you know if I see any problems. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:31, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

sure will start shortly writing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.22.228.31 (talk) 05:34, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

The Hindu possible expert[edit]

I am sure you have found that it is possible to break down communication barriers before, as have I. I truly do not feel that a ban on creating new articles is the way to go. 99% of the time we can get through people's defences if the attempt is done solidly and loudly enough, hence my shot on their talk page. IT requires immense patience and determination.

Against that, even if they create 1,000 inappropriate articles in the intervening period, Wikipedia is a computer system. 1,000 articles may, if necessary, be deleted quite simply. Nothing is ever as urgent as it appears. It;s important to get them to talk, certainly, but it is not urgent. It just feels urgent even though it is not. Any editing actions, even a huge number, may be undone with remarkable ease. Fiddle Faddle 21:47, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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