User talk:Aeusoes1

unstressed /ɜr/

people still use Vista?

Actually, unstressed /ɜr/ does occur. In the -burg of many city names, for example, which are often transcribed w '2ary' stress. I have a difficult time distinguishing it from /ər/, just as I have a hard time distinguishing unstressed /ʌ/ from /ə/, but that might just be my dialect. According to the OED, "Vermont" has the full /ɜr/, though it wouldn't get a 2ary stress mark in MW because it's too close to the stressed syllable. — kwami (talk) 04:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. dictionary.com has Pittsburg with /ɜr/ but Vermont with /ər/. If we're encoding for unstressed /ɜr/, I guess we might as well transcribe Vermont with it. It's the same in my dialect, though.

By the way, what operating system do you use? Since I've been gone, I've noticed that you (and, I'm sure others) have changed the ‹chevrons› to ⟨what must be also chevrons⟩, which show up as boxes on my computer whether I use Chrome or IE but show up correctly on Windows 7. My operating system is Windows XP, which, according to the table at right, is still over a third of internet users (and, thereby, probably our readership). If the readability of the newer chevrons depends on operating system, we probably ought not to go with the less readable version, even if it is technically more correct. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 15:37, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I suspect the diff at dict.com might be due to marking full vowels as having 2ary accent, which is done after the 1ary but never immediately before it. One of the side effects of using stress marks for vowel quality.

Win7. Though I'd be surprised if that's the issue. I'd think it would be which fonts you have installed. — kwami (talk) 16:01, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm using Vista and Chrome and have the same issue. In IE and Firefox they do display properly. --JorisvS (talk) 16:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Chrome has horrible language support. It won't display Hindi or Bengali even if I set it as my default language! If we're going to use Chrome as our standard, we'll have to remove almost all Indic script from WP. (Sinhala and Gurmukhi are okay for some reason.) — kwami (talk) 17:04, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Mine displays those properly. Mine also displays Cherokee characters properly. --JorisvS (talk) 17:30, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

That's weird. I made a clean install and it wouldn't display most Indic languages. I set Bengali as my default language, and it wouldn't even allow me to return to English, despite the fact that it wouldn't display Bengali, so I just uninstalled it. — kwami (talk) 17:34, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

The issue is still the case that many users won't be able to see some, if we are to be consistent, fairly common characters. Foreign script is a little different because, outside of coverage on the script itself, missing the display of such scripts in English-language text won't impede the legibility of article prose. It's not the same with the chevrons, which are supposed to convey a meaning on par with phonetic brackets and phonemic slashes.

Sorry about the delayed response. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 01:42, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I believe my dialect exhibits [ɞ]

I believe my dialect exhibits [ɞ], and so, long ago, I edited the page for [ɞ] to say that it's found in some American dialects. I believe you removed this, which was the proper course of action seeing as I didn't leave a citation, but I'm still quite sure of this, and so I present to you evidence for my claim. The following recording is of me saying <good> 4 times, the first 2 times being the way I naturally pronounce it, [gɞd], and the second 2 being the more popular [gʊd] for comparison. I then say a full sentence to further exemplify its usage in my speech.

http://chirb.it/eLNs3P

I have also closely analyzed the speech of my close childhood friends and found they exhibit the same shift, meaning it's not an idiolectal feature. I'm from Fairfax Virginia, in case that helps.

So is this recording proper grounds for a citation, or do I have to do more, and if so, what?

YaSBP (talk) 21:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not much for perceiving such subtle distinctions between vowels, which is why a simple recording is insufficient for establishing articulatory characteristics. Think about it this way: if one has to be trained in phonetics (that is, be an expert) to simply corroborate what the source says, then it's not a good citation.

It's also an original research issue that you did the recording yourself. I'm not aware of phonetic studies done on Virginia, but you might want to check out Kurath & McDavid (1961), The Pronunciation of English in the Atlantic States. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 02:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Meh, I suspected as much. Sadly, I only study linguistics as a hobby, and so don't have the time or resources to go full out and take x-rays of my mouth, publish books, et cetera. Oh well, at least I know I'm special. YaSBP (talk) 00:11, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

San Francisco meetup at WMF headquarters

Hi Aeusoes1,

I just wanted to give you a heads-up about the next wiki-meetup happening in SF. It'll be located at our very own Wikimedia Foundation offices, and we'd love it if some local editors who are new to the meetup scene came and got some free lunch with us :) Please sign up on the meetup page if you're interested in attending, and I hope to see you soon! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:23, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

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Infinite loop

Regardless whether it was appropriate to merge the "nontechnical" Spanish pronunciation with Spanish phonology, the latter article still has the link "For a nontechnical introduction to Spanish pronunciation, see Spanish pronunciation" -- which redirects to Spanish phonology. Would you want to delete that link? (Okay to remove this message.) Kotabatubara (talk) 14:41, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah. I forgot about that. We should avoid the infinite loop. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 21:41, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

AAVE troll

A good edit of yours (as always). Did you see this person's edit summary? I've responded. Unless/until I forget, I'll be examining his edits. If I do forget, do please remind me. He now knows what his options are. -- Hoary (talk) 09:27, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Don't get too angry. That may be what they are looking for. Funny, trolls used to thrive off of the tears of little children. Now it's the lulz. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 14:33, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. -- Hoary (talk) 15:21, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Diasystem

I'll take a look at it. Benwing (talk) 10:34, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

IPA sounds

What is the difference between the following?:

/t͡s/ and /ts/
/t͡ʃ/ and /tʃ/
/d͡ʒ/ and /dʒ/

Britannic124 (talk) 18:09, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Normally nothing, though some languages make a distinction between an affricate and a stop+fricative cluster. In Russian, the difference manifests in length (so that the affricate takes half as long to pronounce as the cluster). Technically, the former is more correct for affricates, though the latter is often fine. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 18:54, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Please do not move posts

I have moved the section that you moved here back to the talk page. Don't worry about the reply, as I moved that too. If I missed a reply, please feel free to place the reply/replies on the section. Thanks. LikeLakers2 (talk | Sign my guestbook!) 00:39, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

May I ask what is wrong with my move? The discussion is not about the article, it is about me (this is something one of the editors is having a difficult time with). I was tempted to use {{hat}} but I know that would have been inappropriate because I'm involved. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 00:44, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

My main reason for this is because I see it as a violation of Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Others' comments, specifically where it says this:

“

Never edit or move someone's comment to change its meaning, even on your own talk page. Striking text constitutes a change in meaning, and should only be done by the user who wrote it or someone acting at their explicit request.

”

I also did this because an editor expressed concern in #wikipedia-en-help ^connect about what you had done. (see WP:IRC for more info about IRC) I have nothing against you, nor am I biased towards you or the editor who expressed concern.

If you think it should still be on your talk page, feel free to place it back. If you do, however, I would like to see a family-friendly conversation, please. Thanks. LikeLakers2 (talk | Sign my guestbook!) 22:26, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

You and me both.

If there were no objection, my move would qualify as permissible "refactoring for relevance"; I think I've done enough to express where I think the appropriate place for the discussion is. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 23:47, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Removal of Albanian was a mistake

Dear Aeusoes1, I realized that Albanian was not included in the languages that have dental fricatives, so I proceeded in adding it. But you deleted it immediately. I don know why someone should insist in his ignorance. Sorry, but this does not help improving Wikipedia. Best regards, Aris — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.69.6.89 (talk) 18:09, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

The issue isn't so much whether Albanian has the sound in question (it clearly does) but whether it is a language with over 10 million speakers with that sound (which is what the sentence in question says). According to our page on Albanian language, there are fewer than 10 million. If that's incorrect, you should take it up in the talk page there. Either way, the article still lists Albanian as having the language in the table. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 21:10, 9 March 2012 (UTC)