Other Wikipedia pages can't be used for references?
I just had a link to a Wikipedia page in an article deleted because "Other Wikipedia articles cannot be used for references" suggesting all Wikipedia pages are incorrect and all unaccountable to anyone outside Wikipedia internet pages are accurate - that is not my experience. Where does it say in Wikipedia guidelines that it is forbiden to use Wikipedia articles as references or links? As well in the context of the article concerned it was not a reference as in backing a statement of fact it was just extra information if the reader was interested in following it up such as can be found on most websites. Does this mean I have to quote references given in a particular Wikipedia article instead which in many cases means the reader will only find the detail of the extra information by buying or taking the reference book out via a library hardly digital age behaviour. tobalwin (talk) 16:27, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
- NeilN has already provided the WP information about this matter at WP:CIRCULAR. There is, of course, no problem with linking to another relevant WP article but this needs to be done in the text instead of using references tags and putting the link in the reference section. Afterwriting (talk) 01:28, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time to explain what needs to be done. Unfortunately in this particular case even though a Wikipedia article exists for the Play It Again record label [the only current web information on it i've found] because the Wikipedia description is Play it Again [record label] the brackets around [record label] interfere with the hyperlink brackets and it doesn't work and if I just hyperlink Play It Again record label without the brackets it comes up "no article exists". Is there any way around this say changing the title of the Wilkipedia "Play It Again [record label]" article to remove the brackets which may be helpful for people browser searching for it as well? tobalwin (talk) 02:49, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- I've just added the link for the Play It Again article. When an article name has words within a rounded bracket, such as "Play It Again" (record label)", when linking to it you would do it like this: "Play It Again (record label)|Play It Again". The double quotation marks ~ " ~ I have used in this example are replaced, however, by the double [ and ] brackets. The other possible problems with what you were trying to do was using "Play it Again" instead of "Play It Again" (with a capital I in It). The link won't work in this case. Also it seems you are sometimes typing square brackets ~ [ ] ~ when you should be using rounded ones ~ ( ). Hope this is clear enough. Cheers, 06:30, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Dear Mr Afterwriting, you have made a lot of changes, but don't clarify on the talkpage what needs to be clarified. That seems more polite to me. You left out details which may seem unnecessary to you, but don't harm the article at all (e.g. in the fall of 1915). What is wrong with the next morning, on that evening, early February? You want more dates? Where I wrote on Friday evening, you left it out. Besides you made changes in a quote. I can't understand why someone does that. It seems wilful inaccuracy to me. Thanks for your concern.Taksen (talk) 17:20, 13 January 2014 (UTC)Taksen (talk) 18:50, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
- I only edit according to the principles of Wikipedia's Manual of Style (MoS). According to the Manual of Style the seasons of the year, days of the week and times of day should not normally be mentioned in articles unless they are of notable significance to the information being discussed. In most cases this isn't so and, therefore, they should not normally be mentioned. As it did not seem that these details were of notability it was appropriate to remove them. If I altered a quotation then that was a mistake. I will neeed to check. However, the article is so badly written that it may not have been clear to me that it was a quotation. Afterwriting (talk) 20:43, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
- The relevant MoS principles regarding seasons are found at WP:SEASON as follows:
- Seasons. As the seasons are reversed in the northern and southern hemispheres—and areas near the equator tend to have just wet and dry seasons—neutral wording (in early 1990, in the second quarter of 2003, around September) is usually preferable to a "seasonal" reference (summer 1918, spring 1995). Even when the season reference is unambiguous (as when a particular location is clearly involved) a date or month may be preferable to a season name, unless there is a logical connection (the autumn harvest). Season names are preferable, however, when they refer to a phase of the natural yearly cycle (migration to higher latitudes typically starts in mid-spring). Seasons are normally spelled uncapitalized.
- The preferable wording, therefore, is either to a specific date or month. When this is not possible then something like "second quarter of 1915" is recommended. Please follow this MoS editing principle in future. If the season is of significance for particular weather reasons then the reasons for this should be explained. Afterwriting (talk) 06:58, 14 January 2014 (UTC)