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Thanks...[edit]

...for your contribution to the article Nureongi!Chrisrus (talk) 23:32, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Removed PROD[edit]

Hiya! I removed the PROD for a few articles that you'd tagged in someone's userspace. The reason is because PROD can't be used in the userspace. The best way to go about it would be WP:MfD, I think. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 07:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

    • I thought it was mistakenly created as there are two articles of alike context. Sorry Ali (talk) 15:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

References[edit]

Salam Ali. I do not have what would be considered an authoritative reference for Kabardin and Ingush in Iraq, but I know this information to be correct and wouldn't have included it otherwise.

If you look at this website for North Caucasian Iraqis, you'll see the Ingush flag is included. There will certainly be references in this website, but I cannot read Arabic so I am unable to use them.

You are aware that not every particle of information must have a reference, Ali? I have removed Laks and Ubykh because I do not have an authoritative reference (I'm limited to English), even though I know that information to be correct. Irānshahr (talk) 20:34, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Hamshenis[edit]

Hi Ali-al-Bakuvi, not sure how this works, but about the Hamsheni article I got the info from a bunch of different sources and estimations. I read on a website that I do not recall that there are about 500,000-700,000 Hamshenis worldwide. I read that about 43,000 live in the Rize Province of Turkey, and those ones speak Turkish and are Sunni Muslims, there are another 30,000 in the Artvin Province of Turkey, and those ones speak the Hamsheni dialect of Armenian and are Sunni Muslims. In 1944 93,000 Laz, Artvin Hamshenis, Meskhetian Turks, Kurds, and Karapapaks who lived on the Georgian side of the border were deported from the Turkish-Georgian border region to Central Asia in fear that they might collaborate with their Muslim brethren on the other side of the border. I read that today about 25,000 Armenians live in Kazakhstan, more than half of them are Hamshenis. Then according to the Kyrgyz Census there were 1,400 Armenians in Kyrgyzstan in 1999 and they said once more that roughly half were Hamshenis. Then I read another article about Hamshenis moving to the Republic of Armenia, and that their number stands at about 10,000 and that they have mostly integrated into Armenian society. In 1870 when the Circassians moved to Turkey, the Christian Hamsheni moved to Circassia. According to the Abkhazian Census there were about 42,000 Armenians in Abkhazia. According to the Russian Census there were about 554,000 Armenians in Southern Russia, a great majority of which are Hamsheni according to Russian sources. So I hope this helps you, I can't really find the sources for most of these facts, but I remember reading them and wrote down the important facts regarding their population, language, religion. I forgot to say that the Hamshenis in Turkey and Central Asia (89,000) are Sunni Hanafi Muslim, while those who live in Circassia (southern Russia and Abkhazia/606,000) are Armenian Apostolic Christians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.58.108 (talk) 03:28, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

    • Hello,

The problem is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and we need references for such data. As you can see in the articles dedicated to other people usually the numbers are sourced and sometimes not only once. Besides, there is conflict with number shown in the article, which is sourced by Russian official census data. Maybe you should see and find some info in "The Hemshin" book edited by Hovann H. Simonian. Bests, Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 19:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi Ali-al-Bakuvi, I'll try my best and find the websites. Thanks for the help :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.58.108 (talk) 02:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Kazakhs[edit]

Regarding your comment ("no consensus needed"), there is no such thing as a situation where no consensus is needed on Wikipedia. There are policies which cannot be violated, which may seem like there is no consensus needed, but actually those policies reflect the consensus of the community.

Your continued revert of other people's edits on Kazakhs without a consensus to do so will not likely have a good result. I'm not saying you're right or wrong...but continuing to revert edits will make you automatically wrong - even if the point you're trying to make is correct. The best thing to do is to discuss at Talk:Kazakhs and...achieve WP:CONSENSUS.  Frank  |  talk  02:15, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Azerbaijani help needed[edit]

Hello Ali-al-Bakuvi, I'm contacting you because we need some Azerbaijani translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on az.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need help with a personal message for the Azerbaijani Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 19:51, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

    • Hello,

of course i'll do my best. I am not such an experienced WikiEditor. But I can help with the translation. Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 20:48, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Ali, I'm glad to have your help. To start translating, you can go to one of the pages listed at Translation Central - for instance the VisualEditor User Guide. Then click "translate this page" from the top, select your language, and the TranslationExtension will help you from there. Let me know if you have any difficulties or questions. Thanks! PEarley (WMF) (talk) 17:40, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Islam in Albania[edit]

aslam o alaikum, Thanks brother for reminding me to leave explanation, while editing an article. May God bless you(Ameen).Rajputbhatti (talk) 12:08, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

February 2014[edit]

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If you are Azeri from Iran, then write about the "relationship" with the persians in a separate article, and go on to be a slave of the persians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Az-507 (talkcontribs) 12:39, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

I am an OBJECTIVE AZERBAIJANI editor from BAKU living in EUROPE. But I don't think who am I, somehow effect or change the facts. You have got the first warning according to WP:NPA and will reported for a block for the second one. Bests, Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 12:57, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Sources about Atropates[edit]

Although all sources say the same about his origins, i will list one of them to you:

This became evident when Alexander appointed as satrap of the important province of Media the Persian Atropates, who had held the same office under Darius. - Hellenstic Civilization - Francois Chamoux.

I thought that you said the only info given in the sources is about his country not ethnicity? maybe actually taking a look on the sources would be good? --Mossadegh-e Mihan-dust (talk) 19:30, 22 March 2014 (UTC)


Hmmm... Yes, I missed this source, sorry. But the other sources say other things, you should agree: "A Persian governor", "one of the generals in the Persian army", doesn't say anything about his ethnicity, but rather about citizenship. But yes I admit that I wasn't right.

P.S. I didn't like sentence Report me to an admin like you did Az-507 if you want to, as the only reason that I reported him was personal attacks, nationalist POV (even, if he is from my nation and doing that in favor of my nation) and unwillingness of any discussion.
Bests, Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 19:46, 22 March 2014 (UTC)


No need to apologize, people make mistakes (i make many myself). I should be the one who should apologize because my harshness against you there, i am sorry. --Mossadegh-e Mihan-dust (talk) 19:49, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

International Recognition of Crimea[edit]

In response to your post on the Talk Page of "Crimean Tatars," I think the article should strive to state the reality, rather than what the international community feels is ideal. The reality is that Russia is administering Crimea. astrohoundy (talk) 11:21, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello,
No need to write here, I watch the pages and already answered there. Bests, Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 11:36, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

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Gubarev[edit]

thanks for putting the sourced info back, seems quite a few people are trying to censor it as "allegations" (even though there are photos of him?). Looks like your attempt was in vain though, already rv'd. --Львівське (говорити) 21:07, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

yeap. I don't want to be engaged in an edit war, but these editors with POV are really annoying. Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 21:11, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Ofiget!!! Their arguments are unbelievable... Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 21:33, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
This side of wikipedia is a madhouse.--Львівське (говорити) 22:47, 9 April 2014 (UTC)


Siberian Tatars[edit]

Maybe I will create some, depending on my free time.Molaning2 (talk) 21:42, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello there[edit]

Hello once again, since i saw that you thanked me on my edit about al-Ma'mun on Iranian peoples, then i thought that you could help me a bit here. Raayen still continues his nationalistic edits and calls an Abbasid caliph for an Iranian! [1] That's it just like calling the Queen of Britain a German. --Mossadegh-e Mihan-dust (talk) 19:56, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I must say that those words he used in the Azerbaijani people talk page was truly rude and pretty much a ad hominid attack. If i were you i would have reported him. --Mossadegh-e Mihan-dust (talk) 10:30, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Despite the fact that our points-of-view and approaches to the issues are quite different with him, sometimes his edits help to improve the articles, by forcing us to search and add better references. But I am going to notify him and next time I will carry the case to the Administrators' noticeboard. Bests, Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 11:56, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Salaam-un Aleikum Ali,

I wanted to thank you for thanking me for the edit on the Sabiha Gokcen page. Unfortunately, Armenians keep reverting these edits. They are insistent that the page say "Sabiha Gokcen's origins are disputed" simply because an Armenian newspaper published an article that it was so, conveniently AFTER Gokcen had died and could not deny the claims. In her own autobiography and in every interview she's given, she has always stated that she is Turkish. Her family has denied the allegations of the Armenian newspaper, and not a single academic publication on the internet or in print says that "her origins are in doubt". Also, every other language version of Wikipedia is also clear, there is no "her origins are in doubt". But the Armenians keep forcing this issue, and they also have the Wikipedia editors on their side. Meaning the Turkish people trying to clear the Gokcen page of lies might even be banned soon. 9/11 also has claims that it was done by the government, tell me, does the Wikipedia page start off by saying "the origins of 9/11 are doubted"? Of course not. Anyways, I just wanted to give you a heads up and ask your help on this issue in the Gokcen page. I also tried sending a Wikipedia "dispute resolve" to Wikipedia but it made an error and wouldn't send... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sekarca (talkcontribs) 21:05, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Wa alaikum assalam,
The problem is that I am not really informed about the case, and I saw another Turkish editor who was involved in the dispute and reverted your edits, that's why I stopped my involvement in the case. Maybe you should discuss with him as a person who is more informed than me. I try to be really NPOV editor and edit only in cases where I have knowledge about the issue. Bests, Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 21:13, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

For helping out with Afemai people. Happy editing! -Uyvsdi (talk) 20:25, 14 May 2014 (UTC)Uyvsdi

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Selam :)[edit]

Wikipedia'da yeni User olduğunu görüyorum. Sana karşı kabalık yapıldığını gördüm izlediğim sayfaların birinde. Herhangi user yorumlarda kabalık yaptığında burda şikayet ede bilirsin. Böylece kaba Userlardan kurtulmuş oluruz. Bests, Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 21:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Selam. İlgilendiğiniz için teşekkürler. Ama bunun için kullanıcıya herhangi bir yaptırım uygulanacağını sanmıyorum. Sayfaya hizmetliyi yönlendirdim, ilgilenmedi bile. Eski üye ve biraz da arkadaşlık durumu söz konusu ne yazık ki.Yagmurlukorfez (talk) 21:41, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Aslında yapıyorlar. Ama sizin block tarihçeniz var, işi zorlaşdıran bence bu. O kadar da ciddiye almıyorlar "sicil"inde herhangi problem olanları. Bi yardıma ihtiyacınız olursa yaza bilirsiniz, eğer ilgilendiğim ve anladığım konulardan olursa, yardımı ede bilirim. Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 22:30, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
İlgili maddedeki tartışmayı görmüşsünüzdür? Kırgızlarla ilgili. Kanas bear'a söyledim ama umurunda bile olmadı gördüğünüz gibi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kansas_Bear#Hi r1a haplogrubunun Hint-avrupalı olduğu yazılmış ama daha önce eklenen ve florian tarafından kaldırılan kaynakta bu bilgi yanlışlanıyordu. http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=17707#.U3psV_l_tv4 yani bu durum kesin değil. Konu ile ilgili siz de yardımcı olursanız sevinirim. Yagmurlukorfez (talk) 22:44, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Bu çarşamba bir sınavım var, onu bitiriim konuya ben de katılırım. Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 23:08, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Peki, teşekkürler. Çarşamba günü tekrar konuyu tartışma sayfasında gündeme getirirsiniz öyleyse. Benim ingilizcem çok iyi seviyede olmadığı için sizin konuyu üstlenmeniz daha sağlıklı olacak. Tekrar teşekkürler, kolay gelsin. Yagmurlukorfez (talk) 23:13, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Selam[edit]

Hoşgeldin. IP yorumları geri almaya devam ediyor. Şikayet ettim ama şimdilik kimse ilgilenmedi. Teşekkürler. Yagmurlukorfez (talk) 14:11, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

May 2014[edit]

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Oh, sorry... It happened first time and was an accident. Sorry. Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 14:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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Translation[edit]

I guess you're a neutral and npov editor. Go here:

And provide a good translation (Turkish to English). Both involved users and anonymous IPs started an ethnic war on WP. Good day. --125.54.24.26 (talk) 09:23, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Georgians[edit]

Hello Ali-al-Bakuvi,

I just noticed that user Kober reverted your [[3]] again. It's not the first time he tries to neglect obvious facts related to Georgian articles. Now I don't want you or any user to get involved in an edit war with him, but how are we going to make it clear to him that Safavids, Afsharids and Qajars all ruled the Georgian Territories for centuries in total? You think supplying one source will be enough to make him stop reverting?

Regards, LouisAragon (talk) 14:35, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello,
Actually he is right, Qajar wanted to bring Georgia back under Iranian rule, but was not able to bring them because of his assassination; so, Georgia was not under Qajar rule. But the statement in article didn't say that Georgia was under Qajar rule, but rather he signed agreement with Russia, in order to prevent the Qajars to take Georgia again. So if you have any suggestions I am ready to hear them.
P.S. Actually, I have another issue, partly with you. You continue to add Safavids, Afshars and Qajars as Persian dynasties, whereas they were clearly not of Persian background, but are rather defined as Persianized Iranian dynasties, which can not be regarded as the same thing. I'd want to solve this issue with you, in order to prevent another edit war. Thanks, Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 15:16, 24 May 2014 (UTC)


Hello again. As far as I know and the sources tell, Agha Mohammad Khan reasserted Iranian/"Persian" suzerainty over all of the previously lost regions in the Caucasus, but, it was short lived as he was assassinated several years afterwards. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_Iran_1900-en.png Before his assassination, Eastern Georgia, parts of Dagestan, etcetera were indeed reasserted shortly under Iranian suzerainty by the Qajars. Heraclius II of Georgia signed the Treaty of Georgievsk a year before the Qajar Dynasty was even established, to prevent Persia from reestablishing any form of rule by any new dynasty over Georgia. Still it didn't prevent Georgia being under Qajar suzerainty from 1795 till 1801, and de facto losing it in 1813. Would like to know toe further take on this.
Ah, good you bring it up. With me and other users mentioning the Qajars as "Persian", our intention and meaning is not to refer as them then being an ethnic Persian dynasty, but rather a fully Persianized native Iranian dynasty of Turkic origin, who ruled over Persia. In the same trend the Afsharids are referred to as "Persians rulers" by scholars and academics, while mentioning their Turkic origin, or the Mughals being "Indian", while mentioning their Turkic origin.
Besides, as Iran and Persia are fully interchangeable, but the name "Persia" was solely used prior to 1935 by outsiders, it explains why people quite rightfully keep using it for historical matters of Iran prior to the date of 1935. My take on all of this :)
Regards, and let me know if you have anything else you want to discuss. ::LouisAragon (talk) 15:57, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
I took a look at the issue about Qajars; you seem to be right. Then let's re-add the sentence, but with RS.
"Persia" and "Iran" are interchangeable, I do not argue. But the term "Persian" usually accepted as being of ethnic Persian background, while "Indian" has just a geographical meaning, as there is no ethnic group with such ethnonym. Even in the articles which are dedicated to the dynasties we are talking about the term "Persian" is avoided, instead used "Iranian". Bests, Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 16:58, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Would you mind reverting it? At the moment, I'm involved in discussion with the moderators regarding an issue, and I don't want it to be thought as of "wanting to get into a RV war". Yes, I fully agree with you on your take about mentioning Iran or Persia. Let it e that way. Regards LouisAragon (talk) 17:19, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
I already did it.
BTW, let me know if you believe that your edits are RS based and not POV, I will support you in the topics in which I am also interested. Good luck. Bests, Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 17:23, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
That I will do definitely my friend LouisAragon (talk) 14:49, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello Ali-al-Bakuvi,
Do you mind inserting a comment here at this discussion?[4] at the "definitions of South Asia" section. LouisAragon (talk) 14:49, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello,
Sorry I have some problems with internet and was not present here for some time and didn't see your previous requests. I added for this one. Bests, Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 15:23, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
No need to apologize my friend. BTW, there's this certain user who keeps pushing Rv's and WP:UNDO on the Georgia page. See here [[5]]. His name is Chipmunkdavis and if you look through his other reverts in the history tab, it looks like he fits in the WP:JDL category. As you see, he doesn't bring it to the respective talk page, not to the user's their own talk page, instead he just keeps reverting it whenever he doesn't like it. Look at the version it has now, and compare it with the last one I made [[6]]. Apart from the fact that it needs to be changed to Iranian instead of Persian, my version is much more rightful and complete. I've had some rv dispute with him before too, and he never managed to bring any source, or anything else other than his personal opinion, just as he does right now.
I'd like to hear your take on this. Regards LouisAragon (talk) 18:03, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
He just clearly violated WP:WAR there-> [7] - LouisAragon (talk) 13:55, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello Ali-al-Bakuvi,

Could you do something? I would really appreciate if you could drop your opinion here [[8]] about this matter. Iran is added in one definition as part of South Asia by one institution/organization in the world (the UN), solely for statistic purposes, and therefore I edited the article to portray it that precise way. Now this certain (South Asian) user thinks I'm being biased and don't want to see Iran in a list with South Asian nations and brings up weird complot theories (yeah, lol). In other words; severe case of WP:JDL. He can't even bring up one thing that proves any of my statements in the version wrong. Quite pathetic, but anyway, the guy wants to play games, so we'll along.

Would be helpful if you could put your opinion in the link I gave in the first sentence. It doesn't need to be long; just why you think that my version or his version is correct. Here is the comparison between the version it was (my version), and when he started to revert everything. [[9]]

Regards - LouisAragon (talk) 17:07, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

1897 census[edit]

Hello! It goes against WIKIPEDIA RULES to publish data that could not be corroborated because of the lack of concrete citation (reference sources). Wikipedia CAN NOT BE USED AS A PRIMARY SOURCE OF INFORMATION. Even more, in the article of wikipedia that you refer, the data on 1987 Crimea's poplation has no citation. The data that I published has an official reference. That is not my personal opinion. I am nor Tatar neither Russian, so I have no national interest involved here. If you can cite a source of your data, then both census-results could be published in the article. --GabEuro (talk) 18:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

What? Can you please tell me the exact place where and what should be changed? I don't remember that I added smth like that, maybe it was long ago. Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 19:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

As salamu alaikum[edit]

İngilizce Hizb-ut Tahrir sayfasını Türkçeye çevirebilir misin? 95.5.122.159 (talk) 15:25, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Va aleykum assalam,
Anladığım kadar Türkçe sayfanı genişletmeğimi istiyorsun. İngilizce sayfa biraz büyük, hangi bölümlerin daha önemli olduğunu yazsan yardımcı ola bilirim. Ali-al-Bakuvi (talk) 00:26, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Tanımı, "Goals, methods, and organization" ve "Timeline" bölümleri önemli.
  • Zor gelmezse "Policies" alt başlığını tercüme edersen sevinirim.
  • Kalan bölümler şimdilik çok önemli değil. Şimdiden teşekkürler 95.5.122.159 (talk) 09:38, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Hey tercüme bitti mi? 78.174.20.46 (talk) 13:39, 9 August 2014 (UTC)