User talk:Andreas11213

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Andreas, and others I notice the recent arguments over warnings being posted here please read WP:UP#OWN this space is to discuss matters relating to the user, it not owned by the user it is a community page and all community policies apply including civility and edit warring. Content can be archived(preferred) or removed by the user with some exceptions, in doing so it is taken that the user has taken note of any warnings. Gnangarra 10:04, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

By "...it is taken that the user has taken note of any warnings" I think you mean that we should assume that he has taken note. This is like the Wikipedia rule that we should always assume good faith. We all know that situations eventually arise with some editors where we can no longer do that. It's the same here. Even if Andreas11213 HAS "taken note of any warnings", I think there are many of us who believe the warnings are making no difference to behaviour. Surely there comes a time to move beyond such artificial "assumptions". HiLo48 (talk) 10:52, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Woo hoo! To quote Banjo Patterson, it seems that, at last, there might be "movement at the station"!! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
In case it wasn't bleedingly obvious to readers of Andreas's talk page, I've made an unusually large amount of effort to educate this person. Let me hasten to add: "As have others." In fact, it is very unusual that so many experienced editors have gone to so much effort and been so tolerant of this person's recalcitrance. Why is this? It's because Andreas shows the ability to be a VERY useful and VERY productive contributor.
I started off being "a bit irritated" by his attitude and behaviour. Then I decided this was not useful, so I decided to be extremely polite and helpful, giving the best advice I could. In this modus operandi, I persisted for some time. However, this didn't seem to gain any sort of positive result from him, so I eventually moved to a combination of blunt factual statements and humorous sarcasm and cynicism. To my surprise, this also resulted in the same outcome - i.e. absolutely NO acknowledgement, and absolutely NO change in behavior. (OK, I'm naïve - on pragmatic reflection, why might it lead to any change?)
As those who are familiar with my modus operandi would now, I could go on. At length. Giving cited examples. (And I'm forced to admit the temptation is almost unavoidable.) But, ... I won't.
I'll simply say: Andreas: Normally, the next step would be for you to be blocked indefinitely. End of conversation.
However, very unusually, you are being offered an alternative, and this is only because you have illustrated your positive abilities, (in addition to your unacceptable behavior.)
That alternative is that you agree to modify your behavior into the "acceptable" class.
Should you respond in any form or manner that implies ANYTHING other than your willingness to modify your behaviour, you WILL be blocked - not just for a week - permanently. And let me educate you that this is no idle threat; in your very brief career of 1,500 edits you have succeeded in pissing of a HUGE number of people - there will be NO shortage of people willing to bang nails into the lid of your coffin.
I trust that I have been unambiguous. If there is anything about which you are unclear, do not hesitate to ask, because, genuinely, this is your very last chance to do so. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
  • The disruption from this editor far outweighs any benefits in editing. Dave Dial (talk) 14:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
    • I did think about a block but the problem wasnt occurring at the time I saw it and other participants were also not exactly behaving within policy of user talk page requirements either therefor it would be a punitive block. Pdfpdf is right in saying genuinely, this is your very last chance to do so Gnangarra 14:33, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Pdfpdf is right in saying genuinely, this is your very last chance to do so
We're awaiting your reply. (At some stage, you will exceed out patience.) Pdfpdf (talk) 17:15, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Andreas? Are you there Andreas? Timeshift (talk) 05:31, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Yep, he's there. Just doesn't care to reply. Timeshift (talk) 06:16, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Timeshift yes I'm here what Andreas11213 (talk) 11:52, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Now, lets' see. That's a non-indented post, so we have to guess who it's a response to. Appalling grammar. There was no Edit summary. And there is an apparent complete absence of comprehension about the whole preceding thread. Andreas, can you tell that a lot of people find your approach to editing here unacceptable? And that they are frustrated with the fact that, despite massive efforts by others to help you, not enough has changed to remove that view? HiLo48 (talk) 20:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Full names of parties. You've been trying to remove Australia for ages and multiple users have reverted you. STOP AND GET CONSENSUS OR GET BANNED. YOU DON'T EVEN RESPOND TO THE ABOVE AND KEEP REMOVING WARNINGS. Timeshift (talk) 06:54, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

You're the one trying to make a change, I'm pretty sure you're the one who needs consensus Andreas11213 (talk) 06:55, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
You've been trying to remove Australia for ages and multiple users have reverted you. What part of this do you fail to understand? Timeshift (talk) 06:56, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

No actually, I made those changes mostly last year and a few this year... no one had any objection to the changes I made up until now. If you want to change it seek consensus. Andreas11213 (talk) 06:59, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

No actually everyone else but you seems to think that infoboxes should contain full, not abbreviated names. The number of times you have been reverted points to that inconclusively. If you believe differently put your argument forth in the relevant talk pages. Alans1977 (talk) 08:20, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Tony Abbott. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Blocked for edit warring again[edit]

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Given this is your third block for edit warring on pages relating to Australian politics any unblock will probably come with a topic ban from Australian politics or a one revert restriction on those pages. When the block expires you would be best advised to not edit war again as the next block is likely to be for a long time or indefinitely. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 09:22, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

About time. Timeshift (talk) 04:11, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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Please note Tony Abbott (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is now subject to a one revert per twenty-four hours restriction. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 12:08, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

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August 2014[edit]

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Andreas, you really don't learn from experience do you? Timeshift (talk) 09:02, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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September 2014[edit]

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October 2014[edit]

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Sourcing[edit]

On Wikipedia, we don't call things by what their proponents say about them, and in the same way we ascribe the ideology of a party based on reliable sources, completely ignoring what the party's own Web site says. If you don't believe this, then read the relevant policies. Now, please stop edit warring for the purpose of promoting a certain political viewpoint. Zozs (talk) 08:19, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring at Nueva Mayoría[edit]

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Religion in Iceland[edit]

Andreas, please discuss your reasons on the talk page for not using the denomination names as listed in the source for the Religion in Iceland article. For Iceland, I've put up a query in the Template talk on exactly what religion is suppose to mean in the Infobox. --Erp (talk) 02:34, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Waiting for consensus[edit]

OK, here's the thing. WP:AUSPOL is not a particularly bustling project. There are probably less than ten people who would conceivably turn up to most discussions. Those people all have lives, and they're not necessarily on Wikipedia every day. One day is nowhere near long enough to say "hey, no one has replied, that must mean no one disagrees!" Generally, as a good rule of thumb, a week is a good amount of time, more if it's a particularly complex or contentious issue. If no one shows up to a discussion that is about a recently discussed issue where you're suggesting a change to consensus, it would still be a good idea to at least give the previous participants a heads up. These are not pressing BLP issues or anything - there is no rush. (I fixed the House of Reps talk page too - just start a new section, since you obviously don't get to delete all of the previous discussion!!) Frickeg (talk) 09:45, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Sejm[edit]

In Sejm there are 460 members. Here you have all informations: http://www.sejm.gov.pl/Sejm7.nsf/kluby.xsp And here is chamber plan: (28th October, 2014) http://orka.sejm.gov.pl/posiedzenie.nsf/0/4DC97B5696E34B5FC1257D7F002FB73A/$file/stan%20na_28_10_2014.pdf Sorry for my weak english :> 193.151.79.239 (talk) 09:04, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Gaining Consensus[edit]

Listen mate you have been told time and time again, that when other editors disagree with changes you have made it's your responsibility to gain consensus. Yet you insist on edit warring if you don't get your way. When will the simple fact that you need consensus finally sink in? It is amazing, the bulk of your edit history is edit warring.The Tepes (talk) 03:09, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

The Tepes, I've already said it, I'm not you're mate. You just love sitting there reverting every single edit I make and saying "Consensus". Consensus does not need to be gained for every single change on Wikipedia. Andreas11213 (talk) 06:32, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
As soon as someone disagrees with a change, it pretty much does require consensus. HiLo48 (talk) 06:41, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
I am reverting those edits because as the history shows there are multiple editors who oppose your edit. It is then your job to take it to the talk page and gain consensus. It is not the responsibility of other editors to provide alternatives. This has been explained to you time and time again. I suggest you approach editing in a more mature way if you wish to be taken seriously.The Tepes (talk) 08:37, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Also I would ask that you do not make such paranoid and childish accusations about me. Particularly as I have supported changes you have proposed in the past. Twice recently in fact, such as inclusion of religion in infoboxes for politicians and the background colour for 2PP columns in election polling tables being changed.The Tepes (talk) 08:41, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Religion in South Africa[edit]

Re your revert of my edits, please discuss if you disagree with my edits which I have explained in my edit summaries (you have not even explained your revert). That is what talk pages are for. HelenOnline 09:12, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

I have started a new talk page section here. HelenOnline 09:18, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Religion in the United States[edit]

There is substantial disagreement with your preference for the CIA Factbook numbers. Please discuss the matter on the talk page. Mangoe (talk) 02:15, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Edit war at Independent Greeks[edit]

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Mitch McConnell[edit]

I've started a discussion about that infobox, hours ago. GoodDay (talk) 01:46, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Social conservatism[edit]

You are edit warring at social conservatism. You need to respect WP:CONSENSUS. You must discuss controversial changes and gain consensus for them before they are made. Even if you think you have good reasons for the change, you must discuss it first. You claim that the Liberal party page says it is socially conservative: searching for "socially conservative" brings up one match, a "citation needed" claim. Searching "social conservatism" brings up one match, saying the party has social conservative elements. I do not see the evidence you are referring to. Regardless, you need to provide the sources directly, not just say vaguely "they're on that page somewhere". Colonial Overlord (talk) 11:46, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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Crikey poll[edit]

I'm a little baffled by this edit. Which poll are you referring to? The ref just takes me to the Poll Bludger, which doesn't conduct its own polls. Frickeg (talk) 02:32, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

It calculates all the week's polls and calculates an average, and you will find it if you look on the side or if you open the detailed analysis. Look for it before you come here and question me. Andreas11213 (talk) 03:55, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
If you're talking about BludgerTrack, that's a poll aggregate, not a poll, and not appropriate for the polls table. I have reverted - please gain consensus for this edit as it's far outside current practice. Frickeg (talk) 04:41, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
I can't believe i'm actually agreeing with Andreas on something. Frickeg, see here. Timeshift (talk) 02:00, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Huh, I had missed that somehow. I still disagree, but will take that disagreement to the appropriate place. Frickeg (talk) 02:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

List of countries and dependencies by area[edit]

I have re-added Cyprus to the List of countries and dependencies by area. I cannot see any reason for not including it. It has a ISO-3166-2 that we say it needs to be included and numbered. Additionally the wikipedia article about Cyprus clearly says it is a country. Please bring relevant discussion to the talk page on List of countries and dependencies by area. Additionally you say it is only recognized by Turkey but it is a member nation of both the UN and the EU. Seems like pretty board acceptance. XFEM Skier (talk) 02:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

You changed the wrong one again. XFEM Skier (talk) 05:01, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting. XFEM Skier (talk) 06:16, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:United States#National March[edit]

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