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Gospel of Matthew[edit]

Suit yourself, though I have been editing Gospel of Matthew, which is the main mediation focus. -- (talk) 07:58, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I was about to create a section to notify you that an IP ( left me a complaint about the mediation on my user talk last night. I thought you should know of anything that might be related to the mediation, and considered it possible that others might be seeing stuff like that too. Then I saw this. So if anything ever comes to having to pursue the possibility of inappropriate behavior from IPs, here you have another datum. Evensteven (talk) 19:05, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I made some additions to the GoM article, as we discussed in mediation, per WP:BRD. Unless someone is apoplectic over them, I think we will be able to close the mediation soon. I can't see leaving it open indefinitely in the hope that Ret.Prof may one day return. Ignocrates (talk) 01:01, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Ret.Prof, has indicated on his talk page that he is recusing himself from further editing on the Gospel of Matthew article, see diff. Therefore, I think we have returned to normal editing, and the original purpose of the mediation is at an end. Thank you for your assistance as mediator in helping to bring about a resolution to this protracted content dispute. Ignocrates (talk) 02:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


Hi Andrevan: It appears that the mediation has wound down. Did you want to make a final comment on the case talk page before closing? It seems to have been a successful mediation, no? Sunray (talk) 06:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Interview ready for responses[edit]

Hi Andrevan, April 2 is coming right up and the quarter is drawing to a close. Sorry it's taken me a bit of time to get this together. In reference to this previous discussion, the interview is now completed and I was hoping you could share your thoughts when you get a free moment this weekend. The numbering in the interview may change as I edit the thing into perfect shape after the responses have all come back, but the questions will stay the same and of course I won't modify your or anyone else's responses. You can respond here, at my talk page, or within the interview itself. Whatever is easiest. Thanks again for your help. -Thibbs (talk) 14:42, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks again. I've imported your contributions into the final product which can be seen here here. The newsletter is due to go out tomorrow today, but feel free to modify your answers or fill in any more any time up until it's published. -Thibbs (talk) 00:38, 2 April 2014 (UTC) (updated -Thibbs (talk) 10:26, 2 April 2014 (UTC))
  • OK It's been published now. Thanks again for your help. -Thibbs (talk) 16:26, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Belated thanks[edit]

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I know this is terribly late but I wanted to take a moment to thank you for your participation at my RfA. While you did not support my nomination, I still appreciated your thoughtful participation in the process. I look forward to the opportunity to work together in the days to come. Best wishes, -- KeithbobTalk 19:32, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Saturday June 21: Wiki Loves Pride[edit]

Upcoming Saturday event - June 21: Wiki Loves Pride NYC
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You are invited to join us at Jefferson Market Library for "Wiki Loves Pride", hosted by New York Public Library, Metropolitan New York Library Council, Wikimedia LGBT and Wikimedia New York City, where both experienced and new Wikipedia editors will collaboratively improve articles on this theme:

11am–4pm at Jefferson Market Library.

We hope to see you there! Pharos (talk)

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Sunday July 6: WikNYC Picnic[edit]

Sunday July 6: WikNYC Picnic
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You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" in Central Park, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

1pm–8pm at southwest section of the Great Lawn, north of the Delacorte Theater.

Also, before the picnic, you can join in the Wikimedia NYC chapter's annual meeting.

11:30am-12:30pm at Yeoryia Studios, 2067 Broadway.

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 16:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

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Quick question[edit]

Hi Andrevan,
WP:VG's Newsletter department is looking for editors to interview for our Featured Editor column, and your name has come up in discussions during previous quarters as a likely candidate. From your edit history it is apparent that you are not currently as active an editor as you once were, and it's completely understandable if you don't have the time to be interviewed any more. But if possible, we'd love to hear your story from you.
The interview consists of some 15 questions that you can answer however you like and which you can tinker with up until the newsletter is published. Our hope is to have a small number of interviewees cued up for upcoming Featured Editor columns so your interview would most likely appear in a future issue. You can review previous interview questions here to get a sense of the kinds of questions you would be asked. If you see this note, please let me know at my talk page if you would be willing to answer some questions for the Newsletter. Thanks! -Thibbs (talk) 14:02, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

On clouds[edit]

I am utterly appalled at this ignorant comment....

...there's no such cloud as a cumulostratus, let alone a fluffy one. Stratus clouds are flat and featureless, in fact. I expect far better knowledge of clouds from the elite few who judge our positioning under them. Face-wink.svgJuliancolton | Talk 22:59, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Edits at BN[edit]

Hi. I just wanted to say thank you for your recent edits at BN. I particularly appreciated this edit. I'm glad that you're still around and I hope you're well. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 21:04, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Sunday August 17: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share[edit]

Sunday August 17: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share
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You are invited to join the the Wikimedia NYC community for our upcoming wiki-salon and knowledge-sharing workshop on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

2pm–5pm at Yeoryia Studios at Epic Security Building, 2067 Broadway (5th floor).

Afterwards at 5pm, we'll walk to a social wiki-dinner together at a neighborhood restaurant (to be decided).

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 15:57, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

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To Andrevan, thank you for your comments at the bureaucrat discussion about the RfA. Axl ¤ [Talk] 07:58, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Just a minor thing[edit]

On this page, you referred to User:Fluffernutter as male ("his unease"). They are in fact female. It'd be nice to be accurate on that. Face-smile.svgTom Morris (talk) 09:42, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Sunday August 24: Westchester County Edit-a-thon[edit]

Please check it out, and sign up if you can come: Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Westchester.--Pharos (talk) 12:17, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

An important message about renaming users[edit]

Dear Andrevan,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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I have made a request for arbitration. - Ret.Prof (talk) 06:19, 1 September 2014 (UTC)


You knew about the new ArbCom civility case, right? I don't expect to say anything there, and my only real concern is maybe differentiating for separate penalties some of the things lumped together on that page, but feel free to! add anything you think appropriate. John Carter (talk) 18:17, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Help needed[edit]

@Andrevan: I am working hard at following your sound advice! Gone is the Text-walling and I will be careful to (1) use only high quality reliable sources, and (2) accurately summarize what they say. Before actually adding material from Casey 2014 to the article, I posted this reference in the Bibliography under General Works. I also suggested we take a week and carefully read this scholarly work to see if we can use any of Casey's material. Their reaction was swift and immediate:

  1. Delete Casey 2014 from the Bibliography,
  2. To bury me under a mountain of comments that are so very wrong, that it would appear many of editors do not even have a copy of Casey.

Could you help us once again?? - Ret.Prof (talk) 13:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Hmmmmm...Today I just removed a broken link and was reverted by a user account created a couple of months ago. - Ret.Prof (talk) 18:13, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

One hat only please[edit]

I think this comment you made on the talk page at Talk:Gospel of Matthew makes you "involved" as an editor, and therefore, unable to serve in a future capacity as a neutral mediator. Of course, anyone is free to participate as an editor, yet you mentioned several times you know nothing about the subject. What hat do you see yourself wearing here? Ignocrates (talk) 00:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but no one requested your participation as an informal mediator but Ret.Prof. Therefore, you have some kind of agency relationship with him, and are acting as his advocate. You are not "informally mediating" anything, since no one else requested or agreed to your participation. Let's be clear about that. Ignocrates (talk) 16:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
So, you think my "stance has been unhelpful"? Let's see now, who negotiated the final wording in mediation and implemented the agreed-upon solution? That would be me. If the hat you are wearing is that of an uninvolved admin, then don't pretend you are doing something else. Ignocrates (talk) 13:35, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, and don't delete templates, or any other content, from my talk page again without my permission. Ignocrates (talk) 13:37, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Appalling edit[edit]

This is an appalling edit, and as an admin you should know better. Please note that Wikipedia:Retiring says that the meaning of semi-retirement "can vary widely; one semi-retired editor who previously made thousands of edits per month may only make a few hundred, while another semi-retired editor may only drop by to edit every couple of months." StAnselm (talk) 20:54, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Can't retire tag[edit]

LOL... a great response! - Ret.Prof (talk) 01:27, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

ANI thread[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. StAnselm (talk) 09:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

DRN - Talk:Gospel of_Matthew[edit]

A request for assistance has been filed at Dispute Resolution Noticeboard on the dispute at Talk:Gospel of_Matthew in which you are mentioned. This notification is to invite your participation. PiCo (talk) 02:21, 18 September 2014 (UTC) Link: Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Gospel of_Matthew

"Therefore this is an instance of systemic bias masquerading as a consensus, and reliable sources are being excluded at the expense of NPOV."
I'm sorry but I need to ask a question to better understand where you are coming from. Do you have any editing/reading experience in the religion topic area? For example if I said to you SBL would you immediately know what I was referring to? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:42, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay then a couple of observations: (a) A certain feeling for what constitutes WP:RS in religious studies is necessary in religion articles, generally we look to weight to secular academic institutions, not seminaries. I haven't looked through even a fraction of recent editing activity, but I'm concerned anyone wanting to mediate rather than just get sucked in should be familiar with that difference. Not knowing what the SBL is approximately equivalent to religion WP:RS to not knowing what the NFL is in sports or SEC in finance. (b) claiming "orthodox Christian" could conceivably boomerang, as far as I know these editors all are highly committed to a secular academic viewpoint. And I would think only StAnselm is personally a conventional Christian and he distances, distinguishes and handles his sources better than any agnostic. The person I see with a genuine religious fervor in his view is User:Ret.Prof. Of course I am speaking from 3-4 years of watching it reoccur and my attention to recent detail has diminished with reoccurence, but I can tell fervent committment. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:14, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. The discussion is at DRN:Gospel of Matthew. Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! --Guy Macon (talk) 03:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I noticed that you left a comment in the discussion section before I opened up the case for discussion. Do you have a problem with me moving it to your Summary of dispute section? --Guy Macon (talk) 04:14, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
For those following along at home. Andrevan said yes on my talk page and I made the change. --Guy Macon (talk) 06:43, 18 September 2014 (UTC)