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Inclusion disputes[edit]

Hi Angela,

after much deliberation, Martin and I have agreed on Wikipedia talk:Inclusion dispute that these dispute headers aren't really such a good idea -- we should refine the deletion process instead. I'll work on the two-stage model I proposed in the next few days, in the meantime, please don't add / re-add any of these headers.—Eloquence 03:56, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

Bureaucrat status[edit]

There's a new class of users who can turn other users into sysops. This could previously only be done by developers (such as myself). These users are called "bureaucrats". I've picked a few users from Wikipedia:Administrators who I think would make good bureaucrats, and you're one of them. Please don't take that as an insult. ;-)

Do you want to be a bureaucrat? If you say yes, I expect you to keep an eye on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship and turn users into sysops in accordance with community consensus.—Eloquence 04:23, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

Zero-byte image[edit]

Hello. While going through zero-byte images to clear them out, I noticed that one of your images is zero bytes, presumably through some sort of upload problem: Image:Isaac.jpg. I haven't deleted it, since it's got copyright information on the page I didn't want to lose if you happened to still have it around to re-upload. --Delirium 11:11, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

Deletion requests[edit]

The first version of Wikipedia:Deletion requests is now online. Please comment on the talk page. Note that the example sections badly screw up section editing, I'll fix this bug later today (hopefully).—Eloquence 11:59, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

Sant Cassia[edit]

Page needs to be deleted or protected, this is getting a joke now Ghariexem !

Meta admin[edit]

Thanks for letting me know :-) Fantasy 17:15, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Matthäus Merian[edit]

Angela, Matthäus Merian is just fine where he is. The "A" probably comes from German "der Ältere"—see my change in the article. May I suggest Matthäus Merian der Ältere and Matthaeus Merian the Elder as redirects? Lupo 22:35, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Tourism of Argentina[edit]

Hi Angela, this is ludely. I'm from Argentina. I didn't copy in my article any material from these pages: and

I've been working very hard during the whole day to complete the Argentinian page for my University Research project. Please, consider revisiting the decision of removing my modifications to the article because it is very important for me.

Thanks in advance for your help, Ludely

Thanks for your message. It's a bit disorienting at first but I'm having fun jumping in with both feet. Gamaliel 03:06, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)


I have updated the page Trex. Is that correct? Thanks for the help. Dimi juve

Want to avoid revert war[edit]

Hi Angela -

I'd appreciate it if you could stop by Talk:Drug addiction and do a quick read of the conversation (if that description applies) between Anthony DiPierro and myself. The addiction page contains no reference to drug addictions at all now except for a link to drug addiction, and a valuable external link is gone. I hope you can appreciate my dismay. I'd like your perspective as a neutral party - if I'm out of line, I certainly want to know.

I have no wish to take on a revert war. It is not good for the blood pressure, it is not fair to other sysops, and it is a thorough waste of time when I could be working on other articles. I'm here to learn, to teach, to have fun - not to play childish games.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Denni 22:10, 2004 Feb 18 (UTC)

My talk[edit]

I've been archiving my talk, not blanking it. I archive it as soon as I read it generally. I had previously planned to leave it until I reached 101 sections, and then archive, but lir said that was bad, so I have been archiving early and often so as not to impair the wikipedias bandwidth (as he said I was doing). The only thing I ever deleted (to my reccollection) from my talk (rather than archiving) was something I found to be semi-dangerous to me (an unfriendly reference to my name by cimon avaro). I will be glad to hear any advice regarding how I might most effectively manage my talk page, so as to bring as much pleasure as possible to everyone involved :) Sam Spade 02:13, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

How do I know how many KB my page is? How can I tell when its reached 32? And just as an interesting point, I'd like you to know that I do plan to eventually bring pleasure to everyone. Its actually a basic of both my religion as well as my philosophy (Sanatana Dharma and Utilitarianism respectively). Nothing to worry you over, I just felt it was a fun fact to point out ;) Sam Spade 07:01, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I've always wondered if the way I put my responses on the talk pages of those who have written me is best, or if a conversation should be held entirely where it is started? Do you have an opinion on that? Is there a page where I can learn about various opinions (or maybe rules?) regarding this stuff? Thanx for the help (and I hope you don't think I was being rude pointing out that part about making everybody happy). Sam Spade 07:08, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)


Regarding the citation you attached to the barnstar you gave Mav, I strongly object to your unqualified celebration of him as a "role model." Not that this will surprise you to read, but I think he's been a particularly bad role model with regard to enforcement of Wikipedia policies and with regard to NPOV representations of the behavior of individuals for public discussion. I should know. I don't doubt that he is an excellent role model in many respects, but not in the ones I mentioned, which are timely and very prominent at least in my mind right now. If you think this thing between me and Mav has been a big deal and reflected poorly on Mav or if you think it made him feel less appreciated than he truly is, then I can understand why you would want to remind him and the community of the good he has done with the award and the citation. But with just a little different wording, you could have done this in a way that wouldn't appear to deny that he had committed (whether accidentally or not) an injustice against me and fostered an imbrologio (i.e. if I had not been pilloried by Mav, other admins probably wouldn't be reverting me without discussion, and my wars with admins probably never wouldn't have happened). I suspect people haven't come to a conclusion yet about me and what happened, and to the extent they perceive there was nothing wrong in how Mav behaved, they are liable to perceive me as wicked and completely in the wrong. I don't want that. Yes, I'm sensitive about my reputation right now. I suspect you would be too. 168...|...Talk 19:09, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

O.K.. That's a water-tight defense and I goofed. Sorry I doubted your sensitivity. It was sensitive of you to tell me the explanation. 168...|...Talk 17:31, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Anthony vs Denni - hope it's done[edit]

Am I right to assume that your last comment "Agreed. I'm happy with the article as it stands now, and have no problem with removing the request to redirect." means the dispute is over? If not, let me know if you still need me to help with anything. Angela. 07:00, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back, Angela. I can only speak from my perspective. If M. DiPierro insists that there be a separate well-written and comprehensive article on drug addiction, then let's make sure it is. I therefore took the time to add some value to the article, to the extent that including it as a section in addiction would have unbalanced that article and required it to be rewritten. I am satisfied that the drug addiction article now has some value beyond repeating what was on the addiction page. Not having heard from AP, I cannnot say if he wishes to continue the dispute or not. If he does, he will have to find a mirror to do so.

Thanks also for your offer of help - you just did. I've been wondering how to create archive pages, and wanting to set up a clipping section. I went to your useful stuff section - search over.

Just one question: in reading through one of the special pages, I noted a user who had found himself in trouble for, it appeared, changing/deleting information on his own userpage. Did I misinterpret, or are there really guidlines (beyond the obvious) for userpages?

I just looked at 10000. You ARE the Queen of Rock 'n' Roll! I therefore accuse you of being a Hun and a Visigoth, so now you can call your set complete :) Dwindrim


Do you really think Lir is trustworthy? Are you trying to reform him with trust? Nothing could be clearer to me than that he should be banned.168...|...Talk 22:34, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'm still astonished that you trust him, but thanks for respecting the opinion of those of us who deeply don't.168...|...Talk 22:39, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Because I know you'll catch some flak for it, I wanted to let you know that I do understand where you were coming from. Lir has a lot of potential and is getting much better (in what I've seen) overall, and I can understand the desire to want to encourage him by offering him the status he wants. I think your reconsideration that the timing still isn't right is wise, but I also agree that all of us would be wise to look at what Lir is doing, not what he's done. Sadly it seems that not all of what he's doing is productive enough to avoid censure from some, but perhaps it will change with time if we let him. Jwrosenzweig 22:40, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments 168, and James. Maybe it's just because I haven't personally clashed with Lir that I feel differently to most. I realise he gets in a lot of edit wars, but in my mind that seems somewhat disconnected from sysop powers, which I do trust him not to abuse. It was a silly nomination though. I should have realised that being made a sysop isn't really about being trusted anyway, even though it should be. But nominating Lir was not a good judgement call. Angela. 22:55, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)
Hope your wikistress is reduced -- I would have blocked the proposal troll had someone else not beaten me to it. Have a good day, Jwrosenzweig 22:40, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Thanks. I found the proposal troll quite amusing actually. :) Angela. 22:55, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)


Did you get my response to your e-mail? I've been having trouble with it lately, so I felt the need to ask. Thanks again. 172 22:48, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I sent it again using a different account. Hopefully, it will get through this time. 172 01:29, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your most recent e-mail. I'm thinking about sending an e-mail to Jimbo. That might be the only course of action that would avoid turning this matter into a big ruckus. 172 01:58, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Uqbar, and accuracy disputes[edit]

Angela, maybe you can help me out. I really can't understand how I'm supposed to proceed if I have an accuracy dispute with what is in an article, but no one to engage with. Please see item "Uqbar, and accuracy disputes" on the Village Pump, it leads to the article and talk page in question. If you aren't an appropriate choice of who to ask, just let me know who you think might be, you seem to have a better sense than I do of who the players are. Thanks in advance. -- Jmabel 09:26, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'm sure I could simply write the article that "Uqbar" should have, so I gather that rather than marking it as needing attention, I should go ahead and write it? What's basically happened so far is that someone (either intentionally or not) has taken a fictional place and written about it as if it is real. For context on that (if you care), see Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius.
The broader issue, though, is that there is really nothing laid out in Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute about how you are supposed to proceed if no one engages you. -- Jmabel 02:35, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Yes, your changes there make this rather clearer. -- Jmabel 13:32, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)


Call me - your mobile is RUBBISH!

Helen. 19:41, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Please review our policy on NPOV. Did you perhaps mean "some people believe your mobile is rubbish, whereas supporters have pointed out the benefits of a phone that can't receive calls"? :) Angela.



thanks for the welcome. this is very cool!

Gewang 02:47, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

It is! :) Angela.

What about?...[edit]

Dear Angela, how are things? Im not around at the time but i stopped in a internet cafe to check things and i had an idea. In the Featuerd article page talk (sorry this damn keyboard doesnt have the rectangular parentesis) it has been suggested a new face to the page. We only have a suggestion that looks a lot like the Main Page. So i was thnking that, since you have such a nice user page, maybe i can convince you to design something. What do you say, very busy? Cheers from your former biggest colony, Muriel 14:49, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)


Thank you for your comments Angela. I'm fairly happy over there, I even had no reason to fight with ChrisDJackson over there and we had nice words! If I were on Wikipedia I sense that he and I would be reverting each other 24 hours a day. :-) One good thing came out of this thing, it looks like Eloquence wrote a Wikinfo import script and imported some articles the other direction for a change. The number was small, but hopefully there will be more articles over at wikinfo to grab with it as time goes by. Thanks again. 16:02, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Cleanup page[edit]

Am really wondering whattheheck is going on there. Is it new policy to edit out comments and reformat, or did I miss something? Just wondering... Denni 22:31, 2004 Feb 22 (UTC)

;-) -S 02:34, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Another Greetings[edit]

Hi Angela,

Thanks for a greeting, very nice from you! I would like immediately use your helpful hand. Now working on Slovak Wikipedia - I want to see that site to be started a active. To achieve this I am preparing some howtos mainly from English. Could you please point me on correct places in following doubts:

  • I posted some questions on INTwikiL "Question to Slovak Wikipedia SW" but nobody replied - the most urgent - new SW status and usage.
  • How a Slovak link can be added to main page? I post a similar comment on a talk page to a new Main Page - to Slovenian section

Thanks a lot! -- Valasek 09:03, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Once more Thank for clarifications, that speed me up. But why a link to Slovak Wikipedia disappeared on a new designed Main page? Was that just a mistake? Or is there some reason begind? Could you please clarify/correct this? Thank you in advance. Valasek 13:54, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)


Hi, I saw some junk written and thinking that it was a new page I deleted it. If you see the edit history of the last but one edit, you will understand. The page was restored by the vandal just at the same time I deleted it. See the talk page of deletion log for more details. Am just finding my bearings as an admin! Sorry. I restored the page. KRS 14:19, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Recipes for deletion[edit]

Hi Angela, I've noticed you going through VfD like a whirlwind and after my attempts to keep the page tidy over the last few days boy am I glad! Hope it was alright me moving all the recipe listings to Talk:List of recipes/Delete, I've been dreading any comeback from doing that... -- Graham :) 22:07, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Paczki from Packzi cut-&-paster[edit]

I've left a note for User:GusGus explaining why a cut and paste move is undesirable, and urging him to do the Move this page from Packzi to Paczki for the sake of the experience, after you (or another sysop, if he's impatient) has done the delete.

Paczki of course is the one needing deletion. --Jerzy 10:36, 2004 Feb 25 (UTC)

Tnx. And i confirm two talk pages; i think the newer one was started while i was in the midst of reacting to the then (IIRC) 10-hour-old cut-and-paste, oddly enough.
I wrote again to GusGus.
There must be scads of these out there, or is there an automated system that detects the new historyful redirects for attention? (Was i wasting everyone's time by sounding an alert?)
--Jerzy 16:39, 2004 Feb 25 (UTC)
My pleasure, A; in this case it reached out and grabbed me, with User:GusGus's summary fairly screaming the news; i guess what i'm doing right in this case is routinely hitting "(hist)" on my watchlist. In any case, i will continue to take it seriously.
As to my talk page, apparently you didn't notice that i have been thinking about archiving. But i'm ready to give that up, since nothing has resulted from it; those EEG-interface routines need recoding, i guess. [wink] Guess i should try something else. [smile] Jerzy

International relations[edit]

Are you going to keep a copy of international relations theory around? Maybe move it to international relations and separated from the rest of the article by a horizontal rule? I listed the article for merger with international relations, but I don't think whoever did the work on that page should just have the page be deleted, as the article could be okay if someone just cleaned it up and wikified it, unless you know of a copyvio or something like that. (Please answer on my user talk page.) --Lowellian 23:16, Feb 25, 2004 (UTC)

How to edit the title of a page??[edit]

Hi, Angela. I get troubles when creating a new page. Since it is a sub-link for the page Twins and the title contains some Chinese characters, I do not know why it becomes unreadable and do not know how to change it back. Please would you teach me to do it. Thanks you a lot.50precilachan 05:27, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Greetings from ajgorhoe[edit]

Hi Angela, thanks for your remarks on my talk page. Since I'm new to Wikipedia, every advice is welcome. ajgorhoe

Attack class patrol[edit]

I don't even remember doing that. I have no idea why I did it either...will leave a comment on VFD too. Dori | Talk 21:22, Feb 27, 2004 (UTC)


Hi Angela, i removed the links from God to the Japanese article because the Japanese article is about Kami. I tried to keep two seperate article groups: One about gods in General, and one about Kami. This would make the interwiki bot work again on this item. But as some of my changes were reverted, and I don't speak Japanese, I've given up on this one. --Head 15:36, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)


Thanks for moving the User:Kingturtle discussion to Wikipedia:Recently created bureaucrats; sorry I hadn't caught that. Your explanitory additions to the text of Wikipedia:Bureaucrats should help folks in the future. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 16:58, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Yeltsin (Е́льцин) (YELL-tsin)[edit]

Thanks for weighing in at Naming_conventions.... I very much appreciate it.

Peace, BCorr ¤ Брайен 20:20, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)

Glad I could help. Angela. 02:17, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome message! Tom harrison 22:20, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

No problem. Hope you like it here. :) Angela. 02:17, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)

Can you take a look?[edit]

I think a sysop needs to take a look at my question on User talk:RadicalBender's page, and his answer. Could be copyvio. The quaint use of decimalised imperial measurements would certainly be a giveaway. Cheers Moriori 01:01, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)

Hmm. Just realised you'd be bye byes when I wrote that. Someone else will pick it up maybe. Cheers. Moriori 01:53, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)

Reply to your question[edit]

see: Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship. Kingturtle 04:00, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)


I put a list of links at Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries/Status#Moving_holidays_to_a_separate_page -- Tim Starling 05:11, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)

Re Holidays in North Korea - this suggests a tourism article and seems in rather poor taste given that people are starving in N Korea. Perhaps it should be Public holidays in North Korea. Adam 13:18, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Well if we are to be consistent perhaps they should all be changed. At least where I come from, a "holiday" is a trip to somewhere, not the same thing as a "public holiday." Adam 13:31, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)


I got it. BTW, what happened to your user page? You always create such well designed pages. 172 14:16, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I don't know. Side effect of Wikistress probably. I've put my user page back, but I'm taking a break until Wikipedia becomes less insane, which hopefully it will... Angela. 14:27, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
I'm very sorry if I'm causing so much stress to you :/ — Timwi 15:31, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)


It seems that the tendency is for folks to type Infosecpedia rather than InfoSecPedia, so I was planning to move the page. Also, since there are so few links to InfoSecPedia, I was considering removing the redirect page that would be created with that name by the move. I'm not sure of the protocol is for updating links in this situation when the link in the User namespace. Am I making this too complicated? One of your talk pages User_talk:Angela/Archive7 contains the reference. Thanks! Chris Brown 14:47, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Angela, I'm not sure why the page was undeleted - I had actually voted to delete on VfD - but I think Jimbo Wales had a hand in it. I didn't even know it was undeleted, I only knew it was still there. I have to admit that I was rather flattered that Jimbo got involved – and maybe the reason he undeleted the page is reflected by how feel about his involvement – reaffirmed that the Infosecpedia project is worthwhile. Chris Brown 02:13, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thumbnail competition[edit]

Hi Angela, I was just looking at your suggestion for the design of the thumbnail boarders. You say the "border is only down one side, which holds the image, caption and magnifying glass together, without the need to border the entire picture" but to me it looks similar to James F.'s one - i.e. it has a border round the image, caption and icon. Did I just misunderstand what you meant, or is this rendering differently on my computer to yours?  :) fabiform | talk 21:12, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Ooh, I like the look of your screenshot. It doesn't display like that for me on IE6 though. I uploaded this to show you (it's the current version, where you've reverted JeLuF, but all three versions of "Angela's one" look identical to me): Image:Screen angelas one.jpg - since you're a sysop, you should probably delete it for me when you're done with it.  :) fabiform | talk 22:22, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Thanks. It's deleted now, but there's another copy at m:Talk:Image Box. Angela. 22:38, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)


Thank you for the barnstar award. :) - Hephaestos|§ 02:57, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)


User Humus sapiens is writing ban treats to various users, including myself. Is he entitled to ban people??? Cautious 10:51, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi my dear Mentor[edit]

Now I have moved the content from chella to user page. But the background colour (light yellow) is not matching. How to change the bg colour to plain white?



You said (right, well I quit anyway due to the idiotic claims that the AMA supports unilateralism, so no need to oppose my position here Perl) You may wish to note the authorship of said claims, and their lack of support amongst actual member advocates. Martin 22:03, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I think that most of your comments about the AMA are really very good Angela but I wanted to ask you about your statement: ""Alex claims we are here to criticise the Arbitration Committee". Can you tell me on what basis you have that opinion about my "claims"? I do not think "criticizing" anything was a primary goal of the association. Certainly if the arbitration committee does something arbitrary it should be criticized and if a group of people can agree on the inappropriateness of their behavior that would help to improve that committee's future behavior (that is part of what advocacy is all about). However, I do not think that I ever said that that "Critiise the Arbitration committee" was why "we are here". Advocacy is, as you say, something that cannot be forced on people and it should not be organized in overly legalistic ways (though I do think that there have to be standards by which advocates operate). If you leave as "a member" I hope you will at least continue to participate (such as I have decided to do). I think you are right about trolls and there is a tendency for such groups to become like "clubs" but when I started it I thought that there was a hope that it could be a way for a group of like minded people to work towards common goals and help fellow Wikipedians. I feel when I say something people may be reading too much into it and are not talking to me about what I really mean because it appears to I have said. — Alex756 [ talk] 15:58, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. Being an advocate can mean to advocate for groups of people, not just individuals; in that way one can be advocating in a more public forum that might include mediation or arbitration. As far as becoming lobbyists I don't think that is really part of being an advocate's job here at Wikipedia; though what lobbyists do might be considered a kind of advocacy, it was not really a part of what I had in mind.
Regarding the idea of keeping Wikipedia's rules fair and responsive was a reference to Wikipedia's rules regarding the Arbitration and Mediation Committees (I thought this was obvious) because, as you say — and I agree with you completely — the main goal of the association was (and hopefully is) to help people who are faced with the rules of these committees and the dispute resolution process (i.e. you may be advocating for a particular person or you may also be advocating the way some rule make it hard for the person to be treated fairly in an effort to get the rule changed or modified for that person as well as others who will follow them in the future). Obviously (and once again maybe only to me), I don't think that the AMA should be dealing with questions of naming conventions or other content-based Wikipedia rules, but rules dealing with member interactions and disputes.
The primary goal of the AMA in my original conception of the "Office of Members' Advocates" was to be a resource center (hence the use of the word office in the name) that could help other Wikipedians faced with internecine disputes regarding volunteer behaviours. IT was not to become some kind of lobbying or politically motiviated organization with an agenda. Feel free to quote me on that. — Alex756 [ talk]

I agree with Alex that the AMA should not promote lobbying or a particular agenda. The stuff on the AMA page about unilateralism and sysop tyranny was apparently added by User:The Cave Troll. It shouldn't be taken as an AMA viewpoint, and has been moved to the talk page. Generally, people have been treating the AMA page as a forum recently instead of using the talk page. I regret this problem, and would certainly welcome you back to the AMA if you wish to participate. The concept of the association is still relatively new, but its nature may make it a target for trolling behavior. In that case, any help in maintaining internal controls of the association itself would be appreciated. --Michael Snow 19:10, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Speedy deletions/Bora[edit]

Thanks for letting me know, I'm still getting used to this new status and am terrified of making a mistake! Graham :) 22:37, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Most viewed pages[edit]

Neat. Thanks! I knew people would use it if they found it. Then again, I suppose people could just be looking at the toplink, saying "What the hell is that?", clicking, viewing the page and just going <yawn>. A more telling stat might be how many people click at the page or how many calls for other pages are made via the directory page. Anyway, the stat is encouraging.168...|...Talk 05:45, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Oder-Neisse line[edit]

Can we have this article unprotected? There are 3 solid issues with the current version (Let better Szopen voice them):

Now, i see the article is protected. What are the issues with it?

Let's sort them out 1) Whether one should add emotional sentences like "despite all odds" into encyclopedia article 2) Whether Polish-German treaty guaranteed rights of both minorities (Polish in Germany and German in Poland) or only German in Poland (this is easier to check and verify) 3) Whether it is needed to add the "15 million" number when it is number of Germans expelled or who escaped from ALL eastern Europe in article treating on Poland alone. Szopen

Cautious 09:50, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

You may know the answer[edit]

Dear Angela, yesterday i was cleaning the copyvios and in February 25, one of the flawed articles was protected. Do have any idea why? Muriel 10:09, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Press Release[edit]

I see you contributed to the creation of the press release. Might you be willing to follow these steps, and send off the press release? -- user:zanimum

Current Day variable[edit]

Hi Angela - Would you know why the environment variable {{CURRENTDAY}} comes without a preceding zero, as opposed to {{CURRENTMONTH}}...? And, is this something I would be able to fix myself, if I knew how to get involved with the programming side of Wikipedia...? --Palapala 15:30, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

reply moved to User talk:Palapala

Protected page[edit]

Oops! Did i protected that page?? Didnt even notice! But a carefull inspection of the side bar reveals that prtect this page and delete this page are indeed dangerously close. Anyway, i meant the page listed in Wikipedia:Possible copyright infringements section February 25. Its protected, and since you posted the copyvio i thought you knew something more. Cheers, Muriel 18:04, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I did??[edit]

I'll unprotect and delete. Thanks for the tip! (i think i need some tea) Muriel 18:20, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)


Hah! I see you've been made a Wiki-bureacrat. (This probably happened a while back, I've been busy elsewhere for quite a while.) Congrats! Noel 02:54, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Angela.

Dead-end pages[edit]

Could you refresh Dead-end pages now please?  :) I've fixed all those broken redirects. fabiform | talk 03:17, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

VfD day links[edit]

Thanks; your & others' points well taken; i'll work on it, probably today.

BTW, i cribbed the "Angela." technique from yr msg to yr sis; thanks; did i miss where it's documented elsewhere, that you know of, or should i consider thinking up an effective place to describe it? (If only in the faith that someone would edit my opaque technical prose! [blush]) --Jerzy(t) 15:42, 2004 Mar 6 (UTC)


The diff feature is not intented for reading Wikipedia pages. Most people read the articles in the normal way. Optim

Excuse my intruding on what might be considered a private discussion, even tho it is tacked onto a discussion i am involved in. And i have no idea what is in dispute. But i can't imagine what makes Optim presume to know how most people read.
I seldom read an article the unmediated way, as diff is far more valuable for editors, and i object to whatever interferes with it. And original intent is a narrow-minded and counterproductive criterion. --Jerzy(t) 01:40, 2004 Mar 7 (UTC)

vfd belonging on vfd[edit]

There are extenuating circumstances. VfD is 110kb! Angela. 14:06, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. At the time though the move was not made (IMO) for size purposes. The move was made for "political" (deletionist vs. inclusionist) reasons. And it led to a revert war on vfd. I was trying to find a compromise that would keep edit wars off vfd. I made the edit comment the way I did because I didn't want to make tempers any hotter. Between me doing that and Texture deciding to be a good guy and not insist on his own way, it seems to have worked. The edit war stopped when I moved the discussion back. moink 17:19, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Forgive me for barging in on this conversation. It may not appear that way but anytime I see a two person exchange that runs six layers below the vote it is clearly not part of the VfD process. I tried to move our exchange to the talk page to keep it from continuing down the VfD page. Anthony didn't like it and twice I tried to find a different move to calm Anthony while keeping the exchange off the VfD. Nothing worked so I had no problem leaving it on the talk page or on VfD. Sorry it caused so much attention. - Texture 03:08, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Ok, I think there has been some confusion here. I know nothing about any edit war. I just noticed that after I decided to move that stuff from VfD that moink had already once reverted that happening with the edit summary "vfd discussion belongs on vfd except in extenuating circumstances", so I thought I had better explain what the extenuating circumstances were that led to me moving it. It wan't in any way supposed to reflect support or otherwise for any previous move of the discussion. Angela. 11:56, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)
No, I understood that. I just wanted to explain my own actions, too. I think everything's fine now. Thanks for keeping me in the loop. moink 17:04, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Is my merging these talk pages by cut & paste adequate?[edit]

Talk:Fusion consists of nuclear-fusion-related material that seems to have been left behind there when the nuclear-fusion-related portion of Fusion moved 2002 Feb 25 via "conversion script" to Nuclear fusion.

(Talk:Fusion is linked only from List of physics topics F-L -- except of course from Fusion, which is a dab.)

I guess i need to RTFM on the subject of preserving & recovering histories, instead of keeping on bothering you with specific questions. But i want to do something with this now, bcz

  • i have too much on my plate to do the research now,
  • i may otherwise forget abt it, and
  • (of course, in the absence of editing a redirect or creating a page) i can't do anything irreversible.

So i feel better telling you what i'm doing, w/o requesting a reply:

Tnx, --Jerzy(t) 02:42, 2004 Mar 7 (UTC)

I have protected your talk page![edit]

Please enter a -sysop on my username in the English Wiki. Please do it, because I ask it of you, and you have chosen to bear the burden of bureaucrathood. I do not believe I have to supply a justification for my wish. So just do it. The fact that I edited this page, and directly protected it afterward, should be ample verification of who is making the request. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick 12:47, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)

Your CSS/HTML code for the thumbnailed images[edit]

I edited your code and I think that it doesn't show what you were trying to do. Were you trying to do this? If that's what you want, it will take me some time to "fix" it for browser compatibility. #pd: I hate vandals :( --Maio 17:24, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)

The problem is that what you want is a browser glitch. I'm not sure what is the standrad in these kind of cases, but each browser handles them to its own. Let me see if I can explain it. =/

When you assign a width of 10px to the object/anchor, but the object is bigger than that size, the browser has to decide how does it render it:

  • hide all content that is outside the boundaries of the width (ie: only render what is seen in those 10px)
  • ignore the width attribute (what MSIE does, and what should be done)
  • render the object with the attributes given but show the content outside of its boundaries (what Mozilla does, and what it shouldn't do -- the glitch)

In other words, AFAIK it can't be done. :( I will fix it later, have a compromise today, sorry.

...OMG where did the Oreo go? What a sad day, shame on you!

--Maio 18:05, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)

Maybe I'll replace it with Oreos.

Please don't, you will sweep like LotR:RotK in the Oscars, let them have a chance at least. Anyhow, it is "fixed" now (to a point). meta:User:Angela sorry for editing your meta user page. The only problem that I see is that I'm not sure if you can specify that the height of the border bar is the same border as the whole object.. because the height of the whole object (the thumbnail div) is dynamically calculated. :/ I will look it up later, have fun in the meanwhile. =) --Maio 18:34, Mar 8, 2004 (UTC)

Angela, you may try something like this (not tested, I don't want to reboot to windows anyway):
          <div style="width: 10px; height: 100%; border: ...; position: absolute;"></div>
          <div style="...">
             <<< contents >>>
Paul Pogonyshev

Thanks Paul, but I'm not too convinced about the design now anyway. I think the ones with the border all the way round are going to be seen as better by most people. Now I know it's a bug that made it look like that, I don't like it so much. :) Angela. 01:53, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)


How the heck did you figure out I was in Boston? You must have my IP or something. Too bad on the gender, the rest was right. Maximus Rex won the contest. moink 21:51, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Now I'm very curious to know what website you thought was mine. I don't have a site (as far as I know...) :). moink 22:01, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I've seen before. Before I moved to Boston (Cambridge actually), so I didn't think much of it. Maybe I should look up this Steve guy. moink 22:06, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)


For the notice on my admin status. I took a look at the reading list over the weekend. The only admin power I expect to wield with any regularity is deletion of nonsense pages. Other than that, I'll tread carefully, as I'm still fairly new here.

By the way, I will continue with construction of the tutorial at some point (hopefully rather soon.) I just haven't had the energy to go back to tackling it yet. Isomorphic 00:20, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Admin status[edit]

Angela, shaihulud made you admin on ko just now. Fuzheado 10:49, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Also, I fixed the vandalism on ko and put 30 day blocks on those IPs from China. Fuzheado 13:04, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I thought I'd appended &bot=1 when I was looking at the contributions page, but perhaps I forgot to do it to one of the IPs I was inspecting. I'll continue to keep my eye on the ko site. Do you know if the spammers ever use the same IP again? Perhaps IP blocks are futile. Fuzheado 23:47, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Weird duplicate image[edit]

Angela, you are the most knowledgeable person I know in the ways of Wikipedia. A user requested deletion of the image: Image:Image:PyreneanShepSmooth_wb.jpg but I cannot because of the odd name. Can you help? - Texture 19:59, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for note about weird image problem. I see that the 2nd, incorrect *description* page has been deleted and I guess it really is just somehow incorreclty displaying the same image in 2 places. If you didn't already see, I posted a question about it on VP to which IMSoP had a pondering response. Elf 22:57, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Rapid deletion?[edit]

Is Mislead (an inappropriate redir & an orphan as soon as you have a chance to read this) ok for quick delete? Less than 7 hours old. --Jerzy(t) 23:28, 2004 Mar 9 (UTC)

I'd have disliked Misleading as not very significant, but not have suggested deletion, bcz it's a gerund, and a gerund acts as a noun. I dislike Mislead for insignificance, but suggested deletion bcz it's a verb. But i trust what is obviously your judgement, that for redirects, verbs as titles are OK; i just misunderstood the principle. Thanks, & i'll count it as one more step in my campaign toward editing perfectly, by never making the same mistake twice, and eventually having made them all once. [smile] --Jerzy(t) 00:09, 2004 Mar 10 (UTC)
Such low expectations... I plan to make all my mistakes twice... ;) - Texture 00:40, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Need your help[edit]

Dear Angela, my neighbouring city is having the "Table of contents" in the top. I want to put that thing ( With hide attribute) in our Coimbatore page. What is the code to put that thing?

With love and regards Chella 01:11, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)Chella

Hi Chella, I replied at Talk:Chennai. Angela
Please refer Talk:Chennai --Rrjanbiah 06:13, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)


Hi, Angela! Thanks for your attention to Ko-Wiki. I want to know precisely how I could improve the structure of the Korean-Wiki (above all the mainmenu on the left-side which seems pretty sorry in the Ko-Wiki, because translations from en. into ko. need to correct to better understand and some of them is yet in english). Could I work as admin? How must I apply to be admin? It seems to me that two ko. admins, Xaos and 최종욱 (Choi JongWook) are in moment inactiv. -- 아흔(A-heun) 16:28, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I replied on your talk page at Ko. Angela


Angela, can you help us out here? I told you all a while back that he was harassing me, now he is doing it to KingTurtle. Can you help us out? Please, his one goal here is to disrupt and harass other, please do something. ChrisDJackson 00:09, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)


I was just looking for useful links again, and I often use the links on my user page, where I stashed a copy of your welcome message (although you didn't leave it for me explicitly) and I've found it to be quite useful. I've also noticed that you're one of the quiet voices of reason around here and, as a still-pretty-much-newcomer, I appreciate all of that. Elf 03:56, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! :) Angela. 23:26, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship[edit]

Angela, I was cleaning up Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. With a few of your statements, I could tell exactly what your intentions were. If I placed them in the wrong category, please fix them. Your comment for Cimon avaro, I put under neutral; your comment for User:172, I put under neutral. Kingturtle 07:52, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I think neutral is what I meant. Angela. 23:26, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)

Simple English[edit]

Re simple English: thanks again. I'll ask Tim.  :) - Hephaestos|§ 15:04, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Redirect for List of saints starting with A[edit]

Angela, hello. It looks like you redirected the list of saints starting with A page until a full list (from A-Z) can be completed. I was working on cleaning up the "a" page when it was redirected. Can we have the redirect and still work on the page? If so, that would be best for a task as large as all the saints from A to Z. Jason Jfactotum67 19:48, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)

Another question[edit]

Dear Angela, oracle, true pythoness of the Wikipedia. Here i am to pest you with another question. Dearest Mr DiPierro pointed me, with his lovely manners, that we should delete copyvios from page histories, even if it means delete the page to recreate it again with a stub, or the original non copyrighted text. Ok, that is what is said in the header of copyright infringements page, but do we do this? And if so why? What is the point of deleting a page history just to remove proof of the copyvio? Thank you for your time, Muriel 20:18, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

lovely manners Also, I never said this needs to be done all the time. Only that it should be done when an entire page is copyright infringement, and is being replaced by a stub. Anthony DiPierro 20:20, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • Anthony, i am not attacking you, i am just trying to see if you are right and me wrong, OK? So please, leave Angela out of this and remove yourself to my talk page if you want to complain. Sorry, Angela! Muriel 20:24, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • Excuse me, but you're the one who brought up my name, and was sarcastic about my lovely manners. I have every right to defend myself. Anthony DiPierro 20:27, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, sorry about this. Muriel 20:26, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

That's fine. Have a fight on my page. It wouldn't be the first people have done that. :) Angela

Move to Sam's talk page[edit]

I really do not mind. Feel free to move irrelevant discussions to talk pages :-) ant

Coimbatore & links issue[edit]

I need your help. My edit on Coimbatore page is disputed by Chella. You may look at the history of Coimbatore and it's talk page. I have explained in detail at my talk page. Could you please help us? --Rrjanbiah 07:25, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)


I drew the winners of the lottery last night. Sorry, but you didn't win anything. Better luck next time! silsor 19:30, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)

Erudite pomposity: yes, thanks for the explanation...[edit]

...was thinking I should delete it the entry on vfd myself but since I didn't understand why the article had disappeared I thought I'd leave the vfd note in just in case it was some kind of browser caching glitch, which I've been experiencing a lot lately. Dpbsmith 20:29, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Sorry about that -- it seemed like it could be summarily deleted, and it was so new it didn't occur to me to check VfD -- I hope I didn't cause any confusion. Thanks, BCorr 23:03, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)

Please help with the Neo-nazis[edit]

Angela, please help and tell me what to with Neo-nazis like Nico and John who are vandalizing articles about Polish cities, rivers, lakes and provinces. I am prepared to work for Wikipdia and add much concent and value, bring new editors, make some PR in the newspapres. but it is difficult to fights with such vandals who destroy our work.

Can you help? What to do with such biased and poison-minded people AntiNaziWatch 23:02, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Firstly, stop calling them nazis and vandals. Then try the dispute resolution process. Aim to get agreement on the talk page, and then if that doesn't work, list it at wikipedia:requests for comment. You might also want to consider requesting mediation if these steps do not help. Try to work with the other editors rather than assuming the worst about them. Discuss the changes rather than getting in an edit war or the pages will just end up protected which doesn't solve anything. And please change the username. Thanks. Angela. 23:07, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you, Angela, for your comments and suggestions, you seem to be a reasonable and moderate person. I have already tried most the methods you advise and they seem to work with most of editors. But they DON'T work with Nico. He just have fun in reverting, destroying, entering into edit wars and insulting people. The problem is Nico makes no improvement into the articles, he only makes sure the German names of Polish cities are mentioned EVERYWHERE, he also makes sure the German names are mentioned in FIRST PLACE, he also erases alternative names in other non-German languages (Pomeranian/Kashubian, Silesian), he erases city lists, erases maps, erases 'Polish' features and defends 'German' features of the articles.. Nico also claims that most of Poland should be called Eastern Germany. That's why I have no doubt in calling him a Neo-Nazi poison mind. Mestwin of Gdansk 22:09, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I just don't know what to do with Nico, he is destroying valuable work of other editors giving no improvement to the Wikiepdia content. His extremist activities are also chasing away moderate editors who could join the Wikipedia community. There is much enthusiasm among the new editors, but in the longer run the community must have some sort of anti-extremist policy. If Nico stays here and moderate editors go away, the extremist will win. I am of Polish origin I have (or had) many German friends. Because of Nico's insulting activities this changed radically my thinking about Germany and the Germans. Before I had freinds, now I have enemies. Because of Nico I started to boycott German products in my shopping, and when I see the German tourists in Poland I have a feeling that I want to smash they faces (not doing this of course). I have always considered myself a moderate but Nico's extremism is changing slowly my thinking into an Anti-Nico extremism. And this is exactly why I think we should get rid of Nico. For Wikipedia. For the community good. I hope it will work. Mestwin of Gdansk 22:20, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

(Angela, I take the liberty to answer right here.) Mestwin, let me tell you that I'm sorry to read the above, let me also tell you that there is NO need for you to think that you have enemies instead of friends. I have been to Poland a number of times, and was always welcomed there, as I have worked together with Poles in Germany quite satisfactory. Half of my family lived in Breslau (yes I know what it is rightfully called today), and I think that it is high time to work together. If you read the "Eastern Germany" talk page, you will see for yourself, that there are quite a lot of "moderate" people around, and I trust that, with a little patience, the moderate view will eventually win the case. --Palapala 22:48, 2004 Mar 14 (UTC)

LOL. He also thinks RickK is a nazi: [1] -- Nico 09:49, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Have either of you considered requesting mediation? Angela. 19:00, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

Danny Hillis[edit]

Consider Danny Hillis. I liked the old bit of hagiography... colorful, meaty. Wanted some slimming, perhaps a dash of N in its POV. Did you check with Bgoertzel about his right to republish sth he wrote for a mag? Think someone else liked the art and was pretending to be him? Color-happy, +sj+ 08:39, 2004 Mar 14 (UTC)

Copyright case[edit]

Hi, I need an advice/decision for a particlar copyright case I described at

Talk:The Red Book of the Peoples of the Russian Empire

Please help to arrange a discusion with wikipedia copyright experts. Mikkalai 19:56, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I think Alex756 or Jamesday would be better able to answer this than I can so I have left a note asking them to take a look. Angela. 20:12, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)
Messy. Jamesday 20:53, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I've put my observations on that talk page Angela, I hope it helps someone. — Alex756 [ talk] 05:07, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

24 hour bans for edit wars[edit]

Hi Angela,

I've amended the proposal on 24 hour bans for edit wars. In short, the amendment calls for a quickpoll to take place before any such ban can be implemented. If you support this, I'd like you to add your vote in favor to the 24 hour ban vote, with the comment "with quickpolls".—Eloquence 22:16, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

six things[edit]

"If you want something done, give it to a busy person."

  1. Wikipedia:Multilingual_coordination: On what basis are language-WPs listed here?
  2. Wikistats language list: How to encourage this page be updated?
  3. Combined recent changes -- any tools for tracking changes across multiple WP languages?
  4. Stats queries -- where to request new stats queries?
  5. List of non-transient users -- some way to see a list of users with a) a user-page or b) more than a few edits?
  6. New bot action -- Is there a place to request bot features [regexp replacement]?

Rock on, +sj+ 23:15, 2004 Mar 14 (UTC)

Helpful indeed; thank you. +sj+ 09:53, 2004 Mar 15 (UTC)

Village pump[edit]

Yes, i was just about to remove it myself. I realized that I'm too addicted to leave. Perl 03:00, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)


Angela, I hope you weren't too upset by my quiet presence. As might be read between the lines at User:ruhrjung, I'm cautious (bordering to sceptic) with regard to wikipedia's chances to evade different kinds of perrils. As I see it, I made a study tour of the arbitration committee (ooops!) mediation process this night. My honest impression is that you lived up to the expectations one reasonably could have on you.
--Ruhrjung 03:29, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
CC: Lauri Love

msg tags[edit]

Hello, Angela. Thanks for your message back in January:

You could certainly argue that people should use {{subst..}} rather than {{msg...}}. There has already been some dispute over this, so I expect you could push for the use of subst more than msg if you want. That way they do not appear as "meaningless-looking codes" after the article is saved. Angela. 07:41, Jan 20, 2004 (UTC)

And sorry I've taken so long to reply. I thought I could live with them, but finally a few days ago I exploded, and wrote an argument ("msg considered harmful") at Wikipedia talk:MediaWiki namespace which basically asked for "msg" not to be used. So far no-one has disagreed, so maybe I can claim a consensus. ;) Would you like to contribute...? -- Oliver P. 00:43, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Yes, the bit about claiming consensus was just my silly idea of "humour". :) I'd like to reopen the debate, though. I've decided to test the somewhat idealistic view that the status quo can be changed if the arguments against it are strong enough, no matter how firmly entrenched it might be. Should I be advertising my debate on other pages, do you think? -- Oliver P. 02:07, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. I forgot about the village pump. I gave up following it ages ago, as it was too much of a mess. And I wasn't even aware of Wikipedia:Requests for comment. I'm rather falling behind with things... -- Oliver P. 02:25, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thank You![edit]

I want to thank you DEEPLY for your support in the vote to promote me to a sysop. I promise to do my best to be as helpful, sensible, and neutral as possible. Your friend, Ryan.

Patent issues with the King James Bible at Wikisource[edit]

I noticed you posted that on Wikipedia:Goings-on. Could you give me more information about this? =) I contribute to Wikisource also and it seems there is no notice on the source. See [2] for one that does; as it is beleived that it is a possible copyright violation.

Have fun in your break!

Michael | Talk 03:27, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)

From ko-Wiki[edit]

Hi, Angela! Recently I've tried to revise the All_Messages on ko-wiki. It seems to me a heavy work to find right transl. from en into ko. There is moreover some technical problems: default texts on left are almost identical with current texts, so that I feel sometimes uncertain if I edit proper. Could I import the original default texts in en? -- 아흔(A-heun) 10:08, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Optimizing the Angela script[edit]

mesg for you on the Nahuatl WP. Sj

Kimba the White Lion[edit]

Do you remember the film Kimba the white lion - I thought I did, but searching tirelessly over the web, it would seem it was a TV series originating in Japan and then going stateside. Was it the series I remember? Maybe a pilot episode. I remember Kimba's dad dying and Kimba being on a boat, the boat sinking, Kimba swimming across the sea and his mum appearing in the stars. Do you remember more? Helen. 12:20, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • I remember seeing the law suit in the news. They sued Disney over the Lion King.

Gbleem 06:44, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)


Hi Angela,
Thanks for moving my comments in the proper place. Best --Milaiklainim 12:40, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Angela, thanks for welcoming me to Wikipedia five months ago (sorry it took me that long) :-). Earl Manchester 00:53, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Sysop controls[edit]

What do you think about this mock-up:

This file is a candidate for speedy deletion. It may be deleted after Saturday, 9 May 2009.

Would this address your concerns about being able to quickly delete stuff, with the sysop controls at the bottom of the page?—Eloquence 03:01, Mar 22, 2004 (UTC)

Haemochromatosis page[edit]

Hello Angela, sorry to contact you through the Talk page. I've had a tiny little edit war with User:Crusadeonilliteracy on the correct spelling of Haemochromatosis. I know that us Europeans prefer the "ae"-spelling, but AFAIK Wikipedia uses American English and mentions the UK version only in the detail. I was wondering if you would support (and perform??) the move of Haemochromatosis to a current redirect page Hemochromatosis, as IMHO this is the correct spelling. Jfdwolff 15:53, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on my talk page. Will there be any further guidelines on spelling (US/UK)? One runs the risk of Wikipedia becoming a mishmash of various spelling variants. Are there any specific discussion areas for this issue, e.g. on Wikimedia??? Jfdwolff 19:02, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

An accident in the page history of "Similitude (ENT episode)"[edit]

You were the one to greet me when I was a newcomer, so I come to you now.

At 01:41, 2004 Mar 23, I made a revision to "Similitude (ENT episode)". It was a substantive revision, but I forgot to leave a summary and to uncheck the "minor edit" box. If you have the ability, perhaps you would like to remove the status of that revision from "minor". Future users who examine the page history might appreciate it.

Also, you might like to edit the summary of the revision made on 02:15, 2004 Mar 23; part of that summary is merely a notice to the mistake in the previous revision's summary.

Sorry for the trouble.

Vespristiano 02:33, 2004 Mar 23 (UTC)

Welcome back[edit]

Welcome back -- you've been missed! BCorr¤Брайен 16:19, Mar 23, 2004 (UTC)

Page-move problem[edit]

I had this problem a couple of days ago, and here it is again.

The move that made a hx-less redir of List of people by name: Ste was an inter-name-space move; that was the case before as well, so perhaps that is the cause of the problem.

In any case, i am unable to move List of people by name: St to List of people by name: Ste

An admin on the other occasion couldn't see why it should be problematic, and had no trouble doing it for me.

May i prevail upon you to do so this time? TIA --Jerzy(t) 08:56, 2004 Mar 24 (UTC)

Thanks, as always. Edits done, and so to bed. --Jerzy(t) 09:50, 2004 Mar 24 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome[edit]

Thanks for welcoming me to Wikipedia! - CrazyCanuck 00:43, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Ditto. Thanks a lot. - d8uv (t)


Do you understand why i see Template:Sandbox with "view source" links instead of "Edit this page" links? Could it be protected? (The same is true if i "approach" thru its history.) --Jerzy(t) 16:54, 2004 Mar 26 (UTC)

Tnx for yr ever reliable advice. Done. --Jerzy(t) 03:00, 2004 Mar 27 (UTC)


I thought user subpages for deletion went on speedy deletions now? - Hephaestos|§ 17:49, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Never mind.  :) - Hephaestos|§ 17:52, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)


For the record, the comment I remembered was "Personally, I'm not sure the supposed removal of legitimate information is always a bad thing. Not every legitimate fact, and certainly not every idiosyncratic opinion, needs to be included. It's an encyclopedia article, not a comprehensive collection of all the information that ever existed on Mother Teresa, or any other topic". In the context, I interpreted that as a defense of the repeatedly attempted removal of criticisms of Mother Teresa from the article. Furthermore, you stated that you believed that I would accuse you of being a "rabid MT apologist" if you intervened in the discussion, which is and was extremely unlikely, and which I considered to be clearly taking sides on who is being the aggressor in the dispute.—Eloquence 02:46, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)