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Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)[edit]

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Revised Earth Tribe L.A. per your excellent suggestions[edit]

Dear Anne Delong. Just wanted to thank you for your attentive and thorough suggestions. Your advice in “getting this article accepted” is much appreciated, well-taken and I welcome more on my latest revision. Is this the best way to communicate? Based upon your advice, I have eliminated all ancillary material and cites. I have included only the notable “independent reviews or features in movie magazines” and “entertainment news sources” as you recommended: the Hollywood Reporter, Daily Variety, Los Angeles Times, Academy of Arts and Sciences and the United Nations. Thank you for your editorial comments and for your Wikipedia protocol advice. Thank you for taking the time to help get this article accepted. I'm a fan of bluegrass music, in particular the various finger-style picking techniques. Amazing. I welcome any further comments and ways of interacting. SpaceJace — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpaceJace (talkcontribs) 04:28, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello, SpaceJace. You significantly improved the article. I have trimmed and rearranged a bit and I found URLs for a couple of the references. HOWEVER, I think that there may be a fundamental problem with the article: Notability. Wikipedia doesn't have articles about all films; only those which have been written about extensively by film reviewers, journalists, and other authors. This article is about a film which was nominated, but did not win, a local rather than major award. An internet search of the title led to a list of 24 web sites, and not one of these contained independently written information about the film.. (Coincidentally, that is the very same number of results that I get when I Google a film I made in one afternoon in my living room, "Early Morning Computer Programming Blues", which I don't claim is notable enough to warrant an encyclopedia entry). The references that you have included, while all good, reliable sources, are mostly not about the film, but about the Arts Recovery Program, a song performance that predates the film, the theme upon which the film was based, etc. Was this film only shown once on CityTV? Was it not picked up for film festivals or other screenings? Did no one write up reviews about it? The film was made back at the beginnings of the internet, so if there were reviews or news reports they may have been on paper, and harder to find, although someone may have saved clippings.

I hate to write such discouraging words to you, especially since I can see that you have the makings of a good Wikipedia editor (willingness to work collaboratively is a big plus here). If the article is turned down, you might consider instead expanding the "Rebuilding Los Angeles" section of the 1992 Los Angeles riots article, mentioning the arts grants, and giving some examples, one of which could be funding of the film. This is a high profile and widely watched article, though, so only do this if you can find a news report or other reference that specifically names the film or its creators as a grant recipient. —Anne Delong (talk) 13:29, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Verification, creds, links[edit]

I have several books including two anthologies I edited, won two NJ State Arts Council Fellowships, one in prose and one in poetry, won the Kinereath Genseler Award for my book Panic (also a BOTYA finalist) with Alice James Books, and there are a ton of links to my work on line. A quick search pulls these up. If they need to be linked on the page, then that would be great, but calling the page into question is inappropriate as my creds are in line with many other poets' pages:

some Books and anthologies I have written or edited:

http://www.blacklawrence.com/rigger-death-and-hoist-another/ http://syracuseuniversitypress.syr.edu/fall-2013/room-and-the-world.html http://alicejamesbooks.org/ajb-titles/panic/ http://www.blacklawrence.com/speech-acts/ http://www.ugapress.org/index.php/books/index/sense_of_regard


Reviews or comments on my work:

http://www.wordforword.info/vol18/Pollard.html http://thelinebreak.wordpress.com/2010/11/30/laura-mcculloughs-speech-acts/ http://thepotomacjournal.com/issue9/laura_mccullough.html http://contrarymagazine.com/2011/laura-mccullough-speech-acts/ http://www.guernicamag.com/daily/laura_mccullough_reading_recom/


Interviews of me or by me:

http://nanofiction.org/weekly-feature/interviews/2013/10/five-questions-with-laura-mccullough http://tcjww.org/2014/02/10/interview-laura-mccullough/ http://www.poetsandartists.com/laura-mccullough/ http://realitysandwich.com/389/what_men_want_interview_laura_mccullough/ http://poems.com/special_features/prose/essay_hicok2.php http://poetsonadoption.blogspot.com/2011/04/laura-mccullough.html

Radio or Videos of me or me interviewing other writers:

http://www.leahbrowning.net/Apple/Fall_2009/Laura_McCullough.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LAYKLSZVWo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfTrWCIJ8_4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15sRlWAN2fU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP0hTQee-9w

Examples of poems online:

http://goodmenproject.com/author/laura-mccullough/ http://www.tupeloquarterly.com/everywhere-i-havent-been-anywhere-by-laura-mccullough/ http://solsticelitmag.org/author/laura-mccullough/ http://www.leahbrowning.net/Apple/Fall_2009/Laura_McCullough.html http://www.versedaily.org/2014/aboutlauramccullough.shtml https://www.aprweb.org/poem/speaking-malagasy-isle-vanilla http://www.anomalouspress.org/8/26.mccullough.bowie.php http://www.diodepoetry.com/v4n2/content/mccullough_l.html http://www.drunkenboat.com/db18/laura-mccullough http://www.fishousepoems.org/?artist=mccullough-laura http://referentialmagazine.com/contributors/m-o/laura-mccullough/ http://www.connotationpress.com/a-poetry-congeries-with-john-hoppenthaler/2010/february-2010/307-laura-mccullough-poetry http://anti-poetry.com/anti/mcculloughla/ http://www.pebblelakereview.com/archive/2009_v6_1_health_wellness/poem_SweetSick.html

http://www.2river.org/2RView/11_4/poems/mccullough.html http://www.wordriot.org/template.php?ID=743 http://baltimorereview.org/index.php/fall_2013/contributor/laura-mccullough http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Summer03/LMCunt.htm


http://www.madhattersreview.com/issue13/fiction_mccullough.shtml


I teach in these two writing venues, one an annual conference, the other an MFA program:

http://www.sierranevada.edu/academics/humanities-social-sciences/creative-writing-mfa/mfa-faculty/ http://wintergetaway.com/poetry-faculty.html


Other things I have written that appear on Web:

http://www.blacklawrence.com/title-as-invitation-poetry-contests-as-dinner-party-by-laura-mccullough/


http://www.cortlandreview.com/features/14/spring/mccullough.php

http://hub.gmnews.com/news/2006-04-06/Front_page/028.html http://hub.gmnews.com/news/2006-04-06/Front_page/028.html


How does this get resolved? Lmccullough (talk) 20:42, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Lmccullough: As several others have written, people who insist on writing autobiographies of themselves and adding them as encyclopedia articles often have difficulty. The acceptability of an article isn't about 'creds'. It's about:

  1. neutrality, through only including bare facts,
  2. verifiability, through citing reliable sources for the facts, and
  3. notability, which Wikipedia defines as having been written about extensively by independent journalists and authors (in this case book and poetry reviews or news reports after events).

There is a special area of the encyclopedia reserved for editors who don't understand Wikipedia's policies yet, in which a draft can be created which doesn't show up immediately in the encyclopedia until after it's been edited up to standards. This is called Articles for creation. A draft there will be reviewed and tagged, but not deleted (except for copyright violations, which have to go), but the page will not show up in search engines until it is moved out to the encyclopedia. This gets rid of the urgency and lets new editors get their feet wet. It is recommended that people such as yourself who have a vested interest in an article create it there. If your article is deleted because of the AfD discussion, you can always start over there.

About saving the article: Wikipedia has about 130,000 active editors, and each one has a unique personality, but the majority are helpful people. Often at these deletion debates, other editors step in and make improvements to the article, eventually changing the minds of some of the other editors by removing their reasons for recommending deletion. In this case, though, your confrontational approach has managed to alienate everyone, so you will have to do it yourself.

Step one: Rewrite any text that has already been published anywhere, for copyright reasons. (You can formally donate the text if you wrote it, but then you are licensing it to be used, changed and even sold by anybody. It would likely be too promotional anyway).

Step two: Remove all external links that are to web sites which are connected to you or which belong to organizations which have published your poetry, and put just a few in a section marked "External links" at the end, and don't use them as references - they have a vested interest in promoting you.

Step three: Remove any text which is praise of any kind unless it is attributed to a reviewer, or is intended to promote yourself or your work.

Step four: Add citations to reviews and other critical comment of your work to support the information in the article. Don't use any blogs, forums or wordpress sites, or any publishers sites or book sales sites, press releases, or any Youtube videos. Interviews only count if written up in a professional publication, and even then only what the interviewer says can be used as verified information. If you don't know how, read WP:Referencing for beginners. If you get stuck, try the WP:Teahouse - they help everybody who asks nicely.

Here's a link to a site that uses the proper format: Mandolin Society of Peterborough

Okay, go to it.... —Anne Delong (talk) 21:47, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Anne Delong (talk) 21:47, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Poet count[edit]

Interestingly, Category:American poets has 2,562 listings. Category:American women poets has 1,447 names. The poor, neglected, down-trodden, reviled men are listed in Category:American men poets with 1,115 names. (Actually these counts are not accurate because of how editors categorize different pages. My favorite poet, Peter Wild is listed as an Arizona poet, but not in the American poets category.) Face-smile.svgS. Rich (talk) 03:55, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey, you could always fix that. People who work on categories have a hard job, because everybody has their own idea of how articles should be organized. Me, I'm for the Dewey Decimal system... —Anne Delong (talk) 04:05, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
The Delong Decimal system? I never heard of that. Actually Peter was listed and then someone with hot cat came by and put him into 20th century poets. (I certainly don't mind.) I came across Peter because I was living near Palm Springs and came across Carl Eytel. In researching Carl, I found that Peter had written simply elegant prose about him. Sadly I didn't get a chance to meet him. – S. Rich (talk) 04:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Best Before Records[edit]

Anne, Draft:Best Before Records can expire, as there is now an article (Best Before Records}. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:09, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I will deal with this. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:55, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I contacted BD2412, who made the only overlapping edit between the two pages, and who has performed a history merge. —Anne Delong (talk) 22:59, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Infinity Cat Recordings - old AfC I promised to look at a long time ago[edit]

Anne, I think Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Infinity Cat Recordings is clearly notable. Aside from the current references, and the fact that the label has signed multiple notable acts, there is also an additional Billboard profile at [1]. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:17, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/In At the Deep End Records[edit]

Probably notable, multiple releases by notable artists, plus the following:

[2], [3], [4], quit after the first 3 google pages. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but the referencing is a mess - it will take some work. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:58, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jason Wilson (record producer)[edit]

I'm having a hard time finding anything on this one. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:29, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I will delete this when it becomes eligible for db-g13 later this month, if no one edits it. —Anne Delong (talk) 00:00, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Loma Vista Recordings[edit]

Obsolete, as Loma Vista Recordings exists. Delete or merge. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:32, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Not a copy-paste, and not much unique content, but quite a few references (some added by me), so I moved the URLs to the mainspace article (no need to maintain attribution on these) and deleted the draft. —Anne Delong (talk) 00:22, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Decon Records[edit]

As you suggest in the comments, this should be merged with Decon. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:34, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

The content has been merged, and the draft is now a redirect at Decon Records (label). Please check to see if I merged in anything inappropriate. —Anne Delong (talk) 01:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Discogs is a user-generated site, and as such has been deemed unreliable (too bad, it is a very useful site, but so is Wikipedia...). The merged information uses this site as a reference liberally. I'm also creating a redirect for Decon Records, as that would be the general MOS for record labels. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 13:10, 7 August 2014 (UTC) Nevermind, I see you've already done that also. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 13:12, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
78.26, there was already an existing "Decon Records" with a history. I couldn't see a way to put it together, so I had to make another. I'll see if I can replace some of the discogs refs. —Anne Delong (talk) 13:34, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
78.26, I have replaced two of the Discogs references, but couldn't find a better one for "Red Tape". I did notice that the company was sometimes called "Decon Media". Do you think that that would be a better title for the redirect instead of Decon Records (label)? —Anne Delong (talk) 14:26, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Redirects are cheap. Decon Media seems like a good redirect to create. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:56, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Haldern Pop Recordings[edit]

Having a hard time finding information on this label, if anything the information should be merged into Haldern Pop. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:38, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Independent Label Market[edit]

This is notable, was re-submitted to AfC, but I have just declined again because I feel it is promotional in tone. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:47, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Producer Chris Young[edit]

I'm not seeing this gentleman is notable outside of Izzy Gold Records. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:51, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Hello and thank you[edit]

Dear Anne Delong, After the first day of the Wiki kurfuffle, I learned enough to realize I should step away, and frankly, I figured the page would go, and that was fine, and I was even grateful for what I had learned. But the last few days I have scores of messages and emails, and today someone got in touch and said I should go look at the page and look at what you and someone names Carrite had been doing in not just the discussion, but to the page itself.

I'm flabbergasted, and I want to thank you for your support. I know, I know, the support isn't exactly for me; it's about integrity of information and about weighing out things impartially, and establishing context and credibility, but that took time and thoughtfulness, and I am grateful for that, not just as it relates to the developing page on me as a writer, but overall, for the whole shebang! I have so much more respect for the Wiki process than I had.

It's like a burbling, fomenting, fermenting wrack line between data and meaning and what should or should not be coalesced into a representation of human collective meaning. It's both elegant and rather scary. I am off to a conference in VT this week, and I almost certainly will write about this.

I write to figure out what I think, to make connections and meaning. IN a way, that's what Wiki is collectively, only not toward the end of making an aesthetic artifact, but rather one of facts (oh, how mutable is that word?) and relevance. Maybe you have a thought on this?

You seem to have a ton of stars and notes, another process I know nothing about, that indicate that your Wiki peers think you are a reasoned and uber contributing member to the collective effort, and I add my thanks to it. Thank you. Laura Lmccullough (talk) 15:14, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Enquiry about fast-tracking an article review in Draft Space[edit]

Hi Anne, I hope this isn't in breach of anything but would it be possible to fast forward a review for Draft:Lisa Armstrong? I would like to be able to link it from an article that is currently about to undergo a Good Article assessment/review. It isn't my draft (although I have expanded and revised it rather a lot after discovering that it had been started.) Normally I would be happy to wait, but with the GA review coming up I'd rather like to have this up - and am not sure if, as an editor, I'm allowed to move it myself without it receiving a proper review first. Thanks so much! Mabalu (talk) 22:53, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) My curiosity got the better of me so I took a look and the article seems fine, Armstrong definitely meets notability criteria as a widely reviewed author. I've moved it to mainspace. It had been waiting for 11 days already. Sionk (talk) 10:30, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Sionk. I read Mabalu's message last evening after being in an internet-free zone all day (entertaining at a pioneer village), and got as far as thinking that this would be a good use for the Highbeam access that I signed up for at the Wikipedia Library. Then I promptly fell asleep before I had time to finish reviewing it. Mabalu, as an experienced editor, you could have moved the page yourself, but I often do as you did when I have done considerable work on a draft, and let someone less involved decide. Good luck with your GA; I've never been involved with one of those - I seem to spend most of my time among the HA (horrible articles). —Anne Delong (talk) 11:38, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi User:Anne Delong and User:Sionk - thank you both! I did use Highbeam for this article as you may have noticed. I was slightly shanghaied into the GA review but I think it'll be a good experience. Again, thanks. Mabalu (talk) 12:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Ghost Of Otis[edit]

Dear Tdamico789: I see that your article about the Ghost of Otis is up for review. I found a couple of extra references for you. This looks like an interesting band, but I can see that you are having trouble in writing the article in an "encyclopedic style". Would you like some help with this? I have worked on a lot of band articles. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:50, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Anne, thanks for the extra references and your offer to assist. For many months, I've been trying to get the article right, trimming out promotional language and opinions, adding citations. Latest update was today. I'll happily accept your assistance in getting this article done. Tdamico789 (talk) 00:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Tdamico789. I noticed that you were working on the article again. I have searched thoroughly on the internet and failed to find much else to improve the referencing on the article. Most Wikipedia articles are about bands that have toured internationally, played at multiple festivals or concerts, had records on the charts, or had their performances and recordings reviewed extensively in the entertainment sections of newspapers and magazines. If you have off-line resources such as newspaper clippings, it is okay to include them as long as you know the name of the newspaper, the headline and the date published. If not, it will be hard to make a case that this passes either WP:BAND or the more general WP:GNG. If the article is declined again, I recommend that you take whatever information has good sources and is appropriate and create a section in the Deep Elm Records article. Sorry to sound such a discouraging note. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:18, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Anne, thank you for taking the time to review the article. Your comments and input are always appreciated. Mybstimybsti2 (talk) 15:51, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ernesto Amantegui[edit]

I have improved on the AfC after your message on WT:FOOTBALL. Player now meets notability per WP:FOOTYN, having played in the fully-professional Thai Premier League. It's good to go. cheers. LRD NO (talk) 04:34, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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RfA Dodger[edit]

There seems to be something wrong with the transclusion or time stamp, please see WP:RFA. Kraxler (talk) 16:08, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Kraxler ; it took me a while to figure out that I had removed too many characters while trying to follow the directions about the time stamp. I didn't want to mess with an already active page, so I created a phoney admin candidate page and messed around until it worked. Happily the correction transcluded in automatically once I fixed it. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:29, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm glad you figured it out, in the end. The transclusion instructions are not easy to understand when you come across them for the first time, it took me some little mental effort to transclude my ArbCom candidature last year. Cheers. Kraxler (talk) 08:36, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

It looks to like my problems with AFD might kill off my chance to get the mop. The Opposers are even using my "mea culpa" posts against me - which I find more than a bit distasteful. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:07, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey, Roger, the show's not over yet. Try not to stress (ha, I know, easy to say...). You still have a lot of support....and one way or the other you will have had an interesting experience and learned a lot. I would like to point out that even those who are opposing have good things to say about you. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:26, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Don't give up. You've been here for quite some time and your positive actions definitely speak for themselves. RWCasinoKid (talk) 10:31, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

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AfC[edit]

Hi Anne. When you get a moment please read this (the part that goes on to discuss AfC and NPP, paying particular attention to the long posting by DGG. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:37, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Kudpung กุดผึ้ง. I had already read that. I have very strong opinions about this topic. I am improving Wikipedia by not expressing them until I can find a way to do so without the use of sarcasm. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:36, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
You've got mail. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:09, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

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My log of NPP activity?[edit]

Hi Anne - I've just done my first ever NPP actions, now I'm wondering if they are properly logged as such. Some commentators at my RfA (correctly) said I had not done any NPP work, to know that it must obviously be logged, but where? (I used the Page Curation Tool, very similar to Twinkle.) BTW, so far I find NPP work to be trivially easy compared to AFC reviewing - which IMHO is far too easily dismissed as insignificant by uninformed commentators. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:39, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I think what you are looking for is this. You can look at other people's logs too. Likely the reason that you are finding new page patrol easy is because you have learned a lot about what an article should look like while working at AfC. I haven't done any NPP since I became so busy with the G13s, but I seem to remember that one of the problems that I had was that it was hard to tell exactly what text the various tag templates would place on the page. Sometimes I would select the wrong one and have to replace it. Although a lot of them are the same tags as Twinkle uses, the selection in the menus is not the same. Luckily Twinkle has a set of sandboxes where you can try out tags on article or talk pages and see what text you get.
Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. I'll watch out for the different tags, I've become very used to Twinkle over years of use. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't think most editors think AfC reviewing is insignificant - but some of them don't like it; let's face it, it doesn't work perfectly. Some may have been showing restraint rather than ignorance, so it's better not to make assumptions or you may come across as dismissive yourself. Trying out NPP is a good idea; working in a variety of areas allows you interact with more editors and to see things from different perspectives. For example, you can see what new articles look like that don't come through AfC. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:05, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Good point about expanding the variety of my activities - it's just so easy to get into a rut and then even get comfortable in it! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes; I am a great one to talk - my list of G13 rescues has been keeping me too busy to do much else. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:24, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

AfC - Red Leaf Records[edit]

Anne, speaking of your G13 rescues, I found a couple of more sources for Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Red Leaf Records and moved this highly notable label to the mainspace. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 19:02, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Aliyah Johnson[edit]

I don't deal with nominations for creation. When it is appropriate, I just create. I would not go out of my way to create an article for Aliyah Johnson at this time. She's a young athlete showing some promise. Will that develop into something notable? She's close, but not worthy of mention now. Since the work has been done, keep it in incubation. If she does something in the next few years, it could be useful. All we would have to do is tag on a WP:NTRACK notable accomplishment. If she hasn't improved by then, its probably not going to happen. Trackinfo (talk) 11:04, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Trackinfo. Unfortunately, unless someone makes an edit to this draft at least once every six months, it will disappear under db-g13 (which, however, is refundable). What often happens with these long-term drafts is that another user comes along, doesn't notice the draft, and makes a fresh article, wasting the efforts of those maintaining the draft. —Anne Delong (talk) 11:13, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

WP:FindMyPast access[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Albert French has been accepted[edit]

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Your submission at AfC Matthew Barley was accepted[edit]

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A cup of coffee for you![edit]

A small cup of coffee.JPG You are amazingly productive at WP:AfC, which reminds me a lot of WP:AfD these days. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Agricen[edit]

Hi Anne, The draft:agricen page was an orphan. There is now a mention of Agricen in the Agrium entry (Agrium recently took a controlling interest in the company), so that it will not be an orphan if it becomes an article. Anything else you suggest for creating this article? Thanks! Caravass (talk) 16:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Caravass. I don't have a good understanding of this topic or of companies in general, but there are a couple of things that I can suggest. First, saying "a Loveland company" is rather vague. Do you mean that it is a subsidiary of a company called Loveland something? Also, some of the references are not on line. If you have access to them, you could check to make sure that they are independent of the company - that is, not written by company employees or PR people. I see that someone has removed the Articles for creation banner from the draft, but when you are ready to submit it for review you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Anne! I made your suggested changes. Caravass (talk) 00:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at AfC Sharmin Ali was accepted[edit]

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Quick Question[edit]

Hey Anne, have seen that you are quite active at the AFC. Great work there! I just had a quick question. So anybody who has received a very important award is notable, right? What about Guggenheim Fellowship? People who have received it are notable without considering anything else?

Thanks, Muhammad Ali Khalid (talk) 17:36, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Muhammad Ali Khalid. What you say is true, although there can be disagreement as to what constitutes a notable award. I presume that you are referring to Draft:Ann Harleman. I don't really know much about the Guggenheim Fellowship, but even so there are a number of other awards, so I agree that she is notable. It seems that the creator of the draft has added some references to show that some of these are legitimate awards since the first comment was made. I added some book reviews to improve the references. There can be other reasons why a draft is not acceptable, though. For example, the article describes her as a professor, but the link given to her academic affiliation says "senior lecturer", which is not the same. However, since the person is notable, it's possible to accept the submission and add {{citation needed}} in spots like that if there are just one or two. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:11, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much! Yes, I was referring to the same article. Just like you I found the Kirkus and PW reviews of her books, which is why I commented that she is notable. Thanks a lot for the explanation. Muhammad Ali Khalid (talk)
Another thing. I wrote this article and another editor thinks that this guy is not notable. Can you please take a look at the article and see if he qualifies the notability or not? In case he doesn't, feel free to mark the article for deletion. Thanks Muhammad Ali Khalid (talk) 16:31, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello again, Muhammad Ali Khalid. Well, you wrote the article, so I presume that you think the subject is notable. What I do in a situation like this is to see if I can find more evidence of notability, and if I find some, add it to the article, and then contact the editor who placed the tag and see if he/she agrees that it can be removed. If so, harmony is restored. In this case, you might add some of these:

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Voices ... looks great to me, nice work[edit]

Any objections to me approving that? I really appreciate you doing the cleanup there, that's above and beyond, but I'm convinced it's a good topic. And in fact, I will probably celebrate by buying at least one of the volumes. --j⚛e deckertalk 01:14, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Joe. This was one of the abandoned G13's that was on my list for a whole year. Each volume was originally a separate submission, but as you pointed out, reliable sources were hard to find. I figured that by combining and making one article about the series it might squeak through. I think there's a fifth volume now. Ellison is such a wonderful reader that I felt the audiobooks deserved a separate writeup. These stories are so evocative - I can still vividly remember reading I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream inIF when it first came out (shiver). —Anne Delong (talk) 01:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh man, I Have No Mouth.., :shivers: indeed.  :) Not to mention Dangerous Visions leave an early impression on me, it was quite a change from what I'd been reading up until then..
I'm sorry I'd missed that that had been you recovering a G13, my phrasing at the article probably came off poorly because I thought you were talking to another editor there. Shows me for rushing the job.  :) --j⚛e deckertalk 01:57, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
No, you were right - I was talking to another editor, but the message was posted long ago and I gave up waiting. I have to admit being responsible for adding the Goodreads refs. I hadn't used it before. I knew that I couldn't reference any of the comments or computer generated statistics, but since the book profile content was old enough to predate the purchase by Amazon, I thought it would be okay; I didn't realize until I did some re-reading that the profiles were not necessarily created by the Goodreads staff, but by random people. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Turns out Ellison is an excellent narrator, at least in volume 1, and I've just queued up 2 and 3. Priciest AfC for me to date.  ;-) --j⚛e deckertalk 18:26, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Glad you enjoyed it. I have listened to several audio books which he has narrated, but I borrowed them from the library, conveniently located within three blocks of my home. —Anne Delong (talk) 18:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at AfC The Voice From the Edge was accepted[edit]

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For pulling Voices out of the slush pile! I'm shocked you don't have one of these yet (unless I missed it in your bling collection), it's long past time this joins your collection. And who doesn't love a good helicopter rescue? j⚛e deckertalk 02:00, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks -- Need another assistance[edit]

Hi, Thanks for your support in my past contribution. I'm really trying to sharpen my skills. Can you please give me your view on this draft i'm yet to submit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Keranique [5]

Thank you in anticipation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ola olus (talkcontribs) 09:27, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Ola olus. I looked over that page, and it seems to me that all of your sources are self-serving press releases, company announcements, industry profiles and directory listings, etc. Those links make the page more of an advertisement than an encyclopedia article, and Wikipedia doesn't accept promotional content. For there to be an article about this specific brand, you will need to remove these, and add instead a number of references to articles written about it by journalists and other authors in published newspapers, magazines, or books. Those writers must have no connection whatsoever with the company or with Dr. Goldstein. A review section is good, but the reviews included should be those written by experts in the field, not just random people who have tried the product. If you find some, they should be made into proper citations, not linked directly in the article. Right now, the review section is not written in a neutral way, but instead belittles the source of complaints and seeks to explain away the problems using a non-neutral source. Dr. Goldstein herself. Also, the article shouldn't contain any of your own opinion, such as using the word "ideal".

Right now this article has no chance of being accepted into the encyclopedia. Sorry! —Anne Delong (talk) 13:53, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Anne, I really appreciate your support. Will do the update as necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ola olus (talkcontribs) 18:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Cellpadding[edit]

Why don't you just move the article to mainspace, and see if it has an AFD entered? Some AFC reviewers are exclusionist. Letting it run a possible AFD is more direct than submitting an MFD. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:45, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Brian Zeger[edit]

Hello,

This page seems to have already been deleted after being flagged for copyright infringement, but the link to the cited text in question refers to text that was also written by me, there is no copyright infringement. Is it possible to restore this page? There still seems to be questions about notability to be resolved, but I'd already put significant work into it and I'd rather not lose it all.

Many thanks,

Rawsoprano (talk) 16:25, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Dear Rawsoprano: All except the first few words of the text that was in this submission has been previously published on the Julliard website, and is clearly marked as copyright. It can't legally be copied into Wikipedia by a user with an anonymous user name, no matter who wrote it. There is a legal process for donating copyrighted text to the encyclopedia (Here it is: Wikipedia:Donating copyright material). Most often copyright holders don't want to do that anyway, because they are basically giving away their text, which can then be used by anyone, changed, and even sold, according to Wikipedia's license. Also, text in people's official profiles is often too promotional for Wikipedia (for example, praise, name-dropping and selective review comments), and is soon changed by other editors anyway, so going through the legal process ends up being a waste of time. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a web host, and people are discouraged from creating "profiles" of themselves or their colleagues. (see WP:COI).

I can't return any of the text that was on the Julliard website, but here is the one sentence and discography that were separately written:

Brian Zeger (born May 6, 1957) is an American pianist, educator, artistic administrator and broadcaster. He is known primarily as an accompanist specializing in art song.



Certainly the citations and links to reviews and articles have nothing to do with the Juilliard bio?

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I agree. That's why I posted them here so that you can use them as citations if you rewrite the article with new text written especially for Wikipedia. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Recordings[edit]

  • Weber - Piano Music Volume 5 - Overtures with pianist Alexander Paley (Naxos Records)
  • Three American Piano Quartets with the Broyhill Chamber Ensemble (MMC Records)

and here are some sources that may or may not be useful - depending on whether they have information about Mr. Zeger; I didn't check:

<ref>{{cite news|last=Stamler|first=Bernard|title=NEIGHBORHOOD REPORT: RELATIONS -- UPPER WEST SIDE; Horne's Accompanist, on Piano and at Movies|url=http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/03/nyregion/neighborhood-report-relations-upper-west-side-horne-s-accompanist-piano-movies.html?scp=1&sq=brian+zeger+marilyn+horne&st=nyt|accessdate=3 January 2013|newspaper=New York Times|date=3 May 1998}}</ref> <ref name="bachtrack.com">[http://www.bachtrack.com/review-oberlin-deborah-voigt Deborah Voigt Thrills Her Oberlin Audience Despite a Throat Infection], bachtrack.com, March 10, 2013</ref> <ref name="Harriman-Jewell Series">[http://hjseries.org/web/video_details.aspx?ItemId=378163 Deborah Voigt and Brian Zeger in Post-Performance Conversation], Harriman-Jewell Series</ref> <ref name="chicagoclassicalreview.com”>[http://chicagoclassicalreview.com/2009/07/susan-graham-engages-the-head-and-the-heart-with-a-century-of-french-song/ “Susan Graham engages the head and heart with a century of French song”] 7/14/09, chicagoclassicalreview.com </ref> <ref name="wqxr.com">[http://www.wqxr.org/#!/articles/wqxr-features/2009/apr/30/rene_pape/ René Pape and Brian Zeger in performance at WQXR’s Greene Space], www.wqxr.com,</ref> <ref name="wireimage.com”> [http://www.wireimage.co.in/celebrity-pictures/Tenor-Piotr-Beczala-and-pianist-Brian-Zeger-perform-at-The-Broad-Stage/143547654 “Tenor Piotr Beczala and pianist Brian Zeger perform at The Broad Stage”] 4/28/12, wireimage.com</ref> <ref name="chicagotribune.com”> [http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-08-04/entertainment/ct-ent-0804-terfel-review-20110804_1_bryn-terfel-belsatzar-brian-zeger “Bryn Terfel’s artful song recital captivates at Ravinia”] 8/4/11, chicagotribune.com </ref> <ref name="Pieczonka article”>[http://www.scena.org/lsm/sm15-10/sm15-X_cover_en.html “Adrianne Pieczonka: A Delicate Balance”] 7/1/10, La Scena Musicale</ref> <ref name="Metropolitan Opera Lindemann Young Artists Development Program">[http://www.metoperafamily.org/metopera/auditions/young_artists/faculty-and-staff.aspx Metropolitan Opera Lindemann Young Artists Development] Program,.</ref> <ref name="NYTimes 2/28/08">[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/arts/music/28oper.html?pagewanted=print “Juilliard and Met meld opera training”], 2/28/08, newspaper=New York Times Retrieved August 15, 2013 </ref>

Anne Delong (talk) 20:29, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

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andres mendez[edit]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Andres Mendez is looking decent now. If you want to move what you have now to the mainspace, just let me know and I can finish it. -Drdisque (talk) 02:53, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay, Drdisque, it is in mainspace now, at Andrés Méndez. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:09, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Random thanks[edit]

Thanks for everything you do on languishing classical music articles-to-be. The Selectric was awesome, especially in its back-spacing avatar. Opus33 (talk) 16:58, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Precious[edit]

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FYI[edit]

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Rozzi Crane is protected from creation (so unable to publish Draft:Rozzi Crane)[edit]

Hi Anne,

I've been editing Draft:Rozzi Crane as part of an AfC review and I think it's ready to publish to mainspace, but Rozzi Crane is protected from creation. I can't figure out who to ask about this since I don't see it in the deletion log. Do you know anything more? Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 09:09, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Jodi.a.schneider. I've been noticing your hard work at AfC! Well, let's see:

The page was create-protected last year by RHaworth, who commented "self-promotion expected". Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Rozzi Crane was declined in August 2013, and was still being developed in a promotional way (it's still around) until Draft:Rozzi Crane was created about two months ago and deleted soon after for copyright infringement; then the draft was recreated a few days later. Three users and an IP have worked on these pages, and none of them have any other contributions.

The thing to do if you feel that Rozzi Crane is now notable and the article is not promotional, is to ask RHaworth to unprotect the title. He may have additional reasons for his action beyond what I've seen, because the title protection occurred before some of the other problems. Or, he may have just been making sure that the page was created through AfC.

Anne Delong (talk) 12:12, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Great, thanks, Anne, I pinged him and we'll see.Jodi.a.schneider (talk)


your qy[edit]

I'm aware of your qy earlier today, but I need to check, and I will deal with it tomorrow. DGG ( talk ) 04:41, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Your comment at RfA[edit]

Thanks for sharing your experience as an admin. I think it'll be very helpful to others. I smiled when I saw you admit you deleted a category. I managed to delete administrative categories twice in the last month. Thankfully, the editor that reported it assumed good faith and assume correctly that it was a mistake.

I was also interested in your guardian angel comment. When I first became an admin I half expected that someone would tap me on the shoulder and say they were assigned to watch over me for a while and answer any questions I might have. Needless to say that did not happen. I think it would be a good idea. I had a similar experience when I first became an OTRS agent. It felt strange to be entrusted to take actions with very little training.

I think it would be a great idea to institute this concept.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:46, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I watched you steadily improve via your contributions at WP:AfC and was not too surprised after seeing your work at rescuing G13 CSDs that you'd be recommended for the mop one day. I think that some people are more suited to being an admin than others, in exactly the same way that some people are better managers than others. It's interesting to see how people work and what areas they get involved with. An "admin teahouse" sounds like a great idea. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:40, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
About my "guardian angel" comment: I was actually referring to my pre-admin status, where I would nominate pages for this or that, but never actually had to take responsibility for the result. I was lucky to have Yunshui, who volunteered to answer my questions after my RfA. I'd be in favour of formalizing this process with an admin "Teahouse" as long as it was just a Q&A/help page about admin related problems (including questions from non-admins who want to know more about the tools), but I wouldn't want to see a separate/elite "hangout" where only admins are welcome. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:59, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Possible run for adminship?[edit]

I wanted to ask you whether or not I would pass an RfA. In a response to my comment that I probably wouldn't pass an RfA, EdJohnston said that maybe I could ask someone, so I decided I'd ask you. I've been here since December 2012, I'm a rollbacker, autopatroller, and reviewer here, and an admin on Wikidata. I've participated in RfA, NPP, AfD, and AfC; I've never been blocked, or warned, for anything; I've created over 250 articles, even though most of them are stubs; I have gotten 1 article promoted to GA (Mikkeli). The only real negative IMO is my edit count. Do you think I'd pass with 4,600? Thanks, :) --AmaryllisGardener talk 21:05, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Stalker comment (as one who has asked this same question elsewhere). You seem to have less than 5000 edits. That might be seen as "Not now". Also, be aware, I was told once that the very statement from one's self that "I probably wouldn't pass an RfA" may well be brought up on the nomination so you' need to be prepared to answer why you feel that way. Having not taken a closer look I can't really say more than that.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:15, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
The reason I said that is because of my edit count. But the 5,000 mark is something I hope to achieve in the next month. Regards, --AmaryllisGardener talk 21:27, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, AmaryllisGardener. I agree with Mark that your edit count is a little too low, and if I were you I wouldn't apply for adminship right away. However, it seems to me that you are on a good path toward that goal. I spent only a few minutes on this because I have to go to a meeting shortly, but here are a couple of suggestions that will increase your edit count and also help you get ready for an RfA:
  1. You have created so many stubs and redirects that anyone checking would have a hard time picking out well developed articles from among them. Consider making a list of these well-developed articles on your user page so that you can point them out at an RfA to show that you can do more than create stubs.
  2. I see that a lot of the stubs you have created are sort of formula pages, where you make one and then use it as a basis to create more of the same type. That's efficient. I would take at least one of each of these, develop it to be a well-sourced if still short article, and add it to your list. Then if editors point to the stubbiness of your articles you can point to these as examples of how the articles may look in the future.
  3. Another thing that I would do would be to participate more on article and user talk pages - being helpful to other editors, discussing edits to articles, etc. (not with templates), to show that you can be a leader of less experienced editors
By the time you do these things, a few months will have passed, your edit count will be healthier, and at that time you will be better prepared for an RfA. I hope this advice will help you. —Anne Delong (talk) 21:53, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I'll do my best with expanding the stubs, but most of the settlement ones (they make up the majority of my creations) simply don't have much info about them out there, some I should be able to expand though. I'll try to hit 7,500 edits before I run. Thanks for your reply! :) --AmaryllisGardener talk 21:58, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
It's not so much the number of edits, as the quality of the edits. Some editors create whole pages of text with one edit; others, like me, make a lot of typos and have to fix them up, so I end up with more edits for the same amount of work. I agree that some small locations don't have much information on line. Don't forget that you can use books such as atlases and gazetteers, which may be available at a library, to add refs to geography stubs. Even old out-of-date ones will do to verify locations, nearby towns and rivers, etc. I wish you luck in your quest! —Anne Delong (talk) 22:20, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
@AmaryllisGardener: - I would anticipate somebody to cross-examine you about this AfD and this CSD, where consensus didn't go your way. You did handle both those situations pretty well, but I think you may need to show more activity in these areas to secure the mop. This is one of the problems with RfA - it's quite hard to prove that somebody understands policy well and can be trusted to be responsible with additional tools, but it's very easy to find where somebody did something that other editors disagree with. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
@Ritchie333: The AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Ice Bucket Challenge participants, I later changed my vote from keep to neutral. And the AfD was very close, we had no idea what the outcome would be. About Robert Kay (librarian), it was improved after I tagged it and before the speedy-deletion was declined. When I tagged it the only "contents" were talk page WikiProject tags. Regards, --AmaryllisGardener talk 12:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Editors applying for adminship aren't expected to be perfect; when problems with previous edits are pointed out, you can explain what you learned from them and what you would do differently in the present and why. There's nothing wrong with being on the opposite side of consensus at AfD, as long as your opinion was backed up by policy - it's often a matter of collective judgement where valid arguments on both sides are weighed against each other. Admins should be prudent in the use of the deletion tools; I still sometimes tag pages rather than delete them myself so that a second set of eyes is involved. Showing willingness to be persuaded by policy-based arguments and to admit and correct errors is important for all editors, but even more so for admins. —Anne Delong (talk) 13:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
@AmaryllisGardener:, that's fine, you explained yourself. I don't have a perfect AfD score (out of nearly 500 AfDs I've called just over 80% correctly, and most of those I didn't is simply me disagreeing with other interpretations of policy), and I don't think anyone does, but RfA tends to just gague how well you respond. And as Anne says, two stage tagging for CSDs is absolutely essential, it's always good to get a second opinion on it. The other advice is to get a long standing and highly experienced admin (such as DGG, who opposed Roger's RfA with very constructive comments why) to co-nominate you. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:18, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I thought I heard someone use my name.... @AmaryllisGardener: I think a bit more activity at the Help desk and/or Teahouse could be useful to show your ability to assist newbies and also demonstrate your knowlege of some of the technicalities. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice all. :) On a slightly unrelated comment about adminship, sometimes others make me feel that I need adminship so I can be respected, because IMO admins seem to talk down to me in discussions, twist things I say, and to some extent, make fun of me when I state that I disagree with what they say (it's really so I can feel like I can say something at AfD, not viewing adminship as a trophy.) Like this AfD, which I was involved in earlier today. Sometimes I'm discouraged from going to some areas (AfD in particular) of Wikipedia because of it. IMO Most admins that don't exhibit this behavior are newly appointed ones (usually). Do you think this is a problem, do admins not get respect from fellow admins, or is it all in my head? I apologize for going on about this, I just felt the need to get that out, even though I also feel that I'm ruining my chances of becoming an admin in the next year by saying it. --AmaryllisGardener talk 20:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

There are many well respected and longstanding editors who are not admins. Being an admin does lead to some respect, because it's suppose to mean that you are experienced and know about policies, etc., but that doesn't mean that not being an admin should lead to disrespect. If other editors, admins or not, talk down to you, just make sure that you base your remarks on your understanding of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, especially at AfD. Not all editors are the diplomatic type, but if one or two decide to mouth off or write in a sneering fashion, that is their problem, not yours, and when it comes time to close the discussion only the arguments which are supported by policy and common sense will be taken into account. Another approach when dealing with "know-it-alls" (who are not all admins by any means) is to ask specific questions. Most people like to be asked for advice, and once the questions are answered and the policies and guidelines are pointed out, you may find that you have both learned something and that the controversy is gone. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:35, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Maintenance delete of Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, to make room for Draft:Biological Journal of the Linnean Society?[edit]

Hi again,

I'd like to publish Draft:Biological Journal of the Linnean Society -- there's a redirect page in mainspace now. Could you do a maintenance delete of Biological Journal of the Linnean Society? Or otherwise tell me what process I'm supposed to follow in cases like this? Thanks! Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 21:54, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jodi.a.schneider. This is a tricky one, because the instructions specifically say that drafts with content in their history are not to be deleted. The editor should have added to the existing article rather than starting a new one. Is the editor still active? If so, you could ask him/her to edit the mainspace page and just add the new content, since it's been deemed acceptable. Then the draft can be deleted under db-g6 (maintenance). If there's no reply, I have another plan - I could move the existing redirect to Biological Journal of the Linnean Society (London), leaving the main title open for your move. Then after it's created, the alternate title can be redirected to the new article. The first way is cleaner, since the second leaves a redirect that's not really needed. Would you mind trying it first? The only other way is a content merge, which is even messier, with little attribution notes all over the place.

By the way, asking an admin is one way to deal with redirects that are in the way of page moves. The other way is to add {{Db-move|page to be moved|reason}} to the top of the page and wait. An admin will come along and deal with it. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:17, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Anne, Thanks for the tips. I've asked the editor; I'm not sure how active she is, as a new editor. I'll followup on this at some stage. Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 09:40, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

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Eisenkappel[edit]

Anne, after your excellent work on Musikkens Hus, I was wondering whether you would be interested in merging Bad Eisenkappel into Eisenkappel-Vellach. They are both about the same place.--Ipigott (talk) 06:38, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Ipigott. After reading the two pages, I get the impression that Eisenkappel and the various other nearby "populated places" were once separate villages and hamlets in the same township, and that in 1939 they were merged into one administrative unit. I have seen a lot of discussions about places with long histories that no longer have separate administration, and the usual thing is to keep the page about the smaller unit, retain in it information and history up to the point of amalgamation (in this case 800 years or so), add a note about the amalgamation and a link to the new municipality. This merge may be warranted, but I think that it could be controversial (see the edit summary of the first edit on Bad Eisenkappel, for example), and should be done only after a well=advertised merge discussion on the Bad Eisenkappel talk page. Right now the talk pages of both articles are pretty well empty. If there is a consensus to merge, I'd be glad to do the technical part. —Anne Delong (talk) 11:36, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for looking into this so quickly and so carefully. OK, I understand your reasoning but as I know Eisenkappel quite well myself I was surprised when I searched for it on EN Wikipedia, to see that Bad Eisenkappel turned up with no interwiki links to other language versions. Only after searching in German, did I discover the main article in English was in fact Eisenkappel-Vellach (which also links to all the other languages). If we leave things as they are, then I would be tempted to copy much of the information in Eisenkappel-Vellach into the Bad Eisenkappel article which is pretty thin at the moment. The categorization of Eisenkappel-Vellach is also misleading. It seems to me it should be Category:Districts of Carinthia (state) rather than Category:Cities and towns in Carinthia (state). The title could also be usefully changed to Eisenkappel-Vellach district. At the moment, it's all very confusing!--Ipigott (talk) 12:11, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Ipigott, as a Canadian bluegrass musician, I really am ignorant about this topic. I have never even set foot in Europe. It's likely, as you say, that some changes should be made, but perhaps the place to discuss it is either on the talk page of the article or on the appropriate WikiProject, where you may get input from local people or at least from historians, geographers or people who know about municipal administration. I'm sorry I can't be of more help. —Anne Delong (talk) 12:50, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Sorry to have bothered you about this. I'll see what I can do about it myself, possibly with the help of Dr. Blofeld who is a geographer. I was interested btw to see you are from Toronto. I spent a few years in Montreal when I was younger. Great place!--Ipigott (talk) 12:59, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
It is not a bother - I would help if I felt that I had anything to contribute. Instead of being from Toronto, though, I actually live in a small town which no longer has any legal existence, because it has been amalgamated into a larger municipality.... —Anne Delong (talk) 13:19, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

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My article for Articles for Creation[edit]

Hi Anne I have just completed an article for submission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HeatherBlack/Nancy_Petry. I asked for advice at the Teahouse and was told that the Draft root was the best way to go? But then are they checked by the Creation people? I know you do Articles for Creation (my first entry on Hannah Franklin) and had mentioned in the past that you could enter it or tell me what to do. If so, I'd really appreciate it. This entry is non-controversial (National Gallery of Canada had a touring exhibition of her work). HeatherBlack (talk) 18:39, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello, HeatherBlack. It looks like you've put a lot of work into this, and I agree that you are pretty safe on the notability requirements. I am not an expert on artist articles, but right now the article seems more like a tribute than an encyclopedia article. You may want to ask for an opinion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts for an opinion by editors who work regularly with art articles. Opinions of the artist or of those writing up blurbs for gallery exhibitions shouldn't be in the article, just facts. Opinions of art critics are acceptable as long as there's a citation to the review. I'm sure that you already know that no text from any published document (including exhibition programs) can be used in the article, and have avoided this.

From the conversation at the Teahouse, I am wondering if you have figured out how to move an article to a new title. If not, here's how: There's a little triangle on the row of options at the top of the page. If you click on that, you'll see a "Move" screen, and then you pick the namespace (such as "User" or "Draft" or "Article"). Next you type in the title of the page, fill in the reason for the move and click on the "move page" button.

You are an autoconfirmed user, so you can move the article into the encyclopedia yourself if you decide to. However, if you do, and other editors think it's too promotional or contains opinion, it will end up with "tags" at the top, asking for improvement. That's why I suggested discussing it first at the Visual arts project.

Alternatively, you can ask for a review by experienced editors by adding {{subst:submit}}. However, right now there are over 3,000 articles waiting for review, so you'd have to be patient. Likely the reviewers would ask the art experts for helping reviewing anyway, so why not ask them yourself right away?

I hope this helps. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:52, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

It helps a lot. You write very clearly! I reread Hannah Franklin, so I'll keep only one or two of the quotes, tone down the text and resend it if you don't mind reading it again. I also now found the triangle and where I can move it to "Article" after I run it by the Visual arts group. Thanks again. HeatherBlack (talk) 21:55, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Anne Here is the new and less descriptive text. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HeatherBlack/Nancy_Petry If anything pops out at you, please let me know. Thanks again HeatherBlack (talk) 23:33, 23 October 2014 (UTC)