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06:36 Oh. I have a friend who has thousands of edits uploaded and he told me that Global firepower was the best way to go when referencing military strength. Yeah, I'll stop.
Dude, did you read what I edited in on your page, above? I explained that I know now, and I'll stop. Your announcement was unnecessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caealn (talk • contribs) 01:09, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
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UK Military Strength Figures
Hello, you modified the United Kingdoms reserve forces figures here List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel. The source you have included is two years prior to another source listed and provides figures from 2007, as no data is available from 2008 - 2012 in that document for total numbers of reserve forces (including those held at low readiness for a time of need). The 2014 report includes these figures and is accurate. The note that you added says there are two categories of reserves: Fixed Term Contract; and liable to recall. There are probably closer to three types, refered to in the 2014 document as: Volunteer Reserves (those who are on a three year roling contract and attend Army Reserve/RNR/RAF Reserve units for a set period of days each year); Regular Reserves (Those who have left the Regular Forces and remain liable to call-up in time of need); and Full Time Reserve Service (Those who can come from either Volunteer Reserve and Regular Reserve pools but are in a regular military billet on a fixed term contract. These definitions can be found on page 8 and pages 11-13 of the 2014 report. There are others, but the figures are negligable.
To cut a long story short - I think you've been confused by the recent change in terminology and have gone with the most recent figures relating to term low readiness reserves, which is woefully out of date. Due to the exponential down turn in the armed forces through redundancies and natural wastage since the 60s the UK Regular Reserve (those that were once regulars and are now help for "times of need") are a tiny fraction of what they once were and whilst this looks weird on paper (or screen in this case) the 2014 report states it to be fact.
The correct figure should be 82340 total reserves made up of 45110 Regular Reserve and 37190 Volunteer Reserve (What we in the UK actually call "the reserves"). There is a 40 man discrepency in the table for some reason. With your permission I'd like to change the total figure back to 82340 and to amend your note (which I think is a great idea, but uses the wrong terminology) to reflect to true figures from 2014. Munchingfoo (talk) 15:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Hello Munchingfoo! I really appreciate you taking the time to contact me here and explain your position. Regarding the Regular Reserve forces, the British Army website explains the different categories very well here, and it applies to the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force too:
- The first category is known as the Regular Reserve, which is in turn split into two sub-categories (A and D). Category A is mandatory, so any soldier, airman or sailor must serve in category A upon leaving the Regular military. Category D is voluntary, whereby those who have served their time in category A can voluntarily choose to extend their service in the Regular Reserve.
- The second category is the Long Term Reserve. Since 1997, any ex-Regular who no-longer serves in category A and D is automatically part of the Long Term Reserve until the age of 55.
- The third category are the pensioners, but no MoD publications I have come across have ever reported their strength, so we can ignore these and not discuss them.
- Categories A and D of the Regular Reserve serve under a fixed-term reserve contract and are required to report for training or military service when necessary (when called up they are known as the Full Time Reserve Service). Note that these contracts are similar to those of the Volunteer Reserves, but at the same time they are also distinctly different! The Long Term Reserve, however, do not serve under any contract, instead, they remain liable to be recalled in a time of need (or national emergency) under the Reserve Forces Act. Recent MoD publications now only report the strength of the A and D Regular Reserves, which numbered 45,110. They also report the strength of the Volunteer Reserves which numbered 37,190 - but they no-longer report the strength of the Long Term Reserve, and have never reported the strength of the Pensioners.
- The last reported strength of the Long Term Reserve was 127,440 in 2007. Therefore, I added the 45,110 personnel of the Category A and D Regular Reserve together with the 127,440 Long Term Reserve and got 172,550 reserves.
- Since 2012, MoD publications have been including the Volunteer Reserve along with the active Regular military. You can see this here in table 1, page 6. Notice how the MoD combine the active Regulars with the Volunteer Reserve and call it "UK Forces Service Personnel" (or simply "UK Service Personnel"). This is because of the changes made in the 2010 SDSR and the 2011 "Future Reserves 2020 Review" - as since then, the Volunteer Reserve has been tasked with performing a larger role in UK defence as part of a new "integrated armed forces". So I used the MoD figure of 198,810 for the active personnel.