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Hello, Arlen22, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Trouble in Amish Paradise[edit]

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Esther vs. Vashti[edit]

One of them said that all the women in the empire would hear that "The king Ahasuerus commanded Vashti the queen to be brought in before him, but she came not." Then the women of the empire would despise their husbands. And this would cause many problems in the kingdom. Therefore it would be good to depose her.[1]

June 2009[edit]

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Wikipedia:WikiCup/2010 Signups[edit]

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Alcohol in the Bible[edit]

Hi, has Flex (talk · contribs) been notified of Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Alcohol in the Bible/archive2? Generally, primary contributors are the ones who should be nominating articles for FAC. Also, maintainence tags need to be resolved outside FAC. I suggest withdrawing and discussing with Flex about a peer review before FAC. Regards, Dabomb87 (talk) 15:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

OK I see your point. Arlen22 (talk) 15:54, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

"Like what?"[edit]

"Discussion directly pertaining to a specific article belongs on that article's talkpage. Where such discussion is erroneously posted here, I may move it to article talk, or (if I'm feeling lazy, crabby, or for any other arbitrary reason) simply delete or revert it -- so best to post it where it belongs in the first place." HrafnTalkStalk(P) 12:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


Hi Arlen. Thank you for your interest in the featured article process! Nominations should only be made at wP:FAC when the nominator is either one of the significant contributors to the article or has checked with the significant contributors to the article. This is to ensure that the nominator is confident enough of the content (or can rely on those who are) to answer any issues that reviewers might raise. Because you have not edited Beekeping before, I have removed that nomination. I encourage you to read the FA criteria, work on the article, and nominate it again at a later date. If you need assistance, you might check the list of featured articles to see if you can find one similar to this article, and ask the editors of that article to help. You are also welcome to leave questions at WT:FAC. Good luck! Karanacs (talk) 18:47, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Alright Arlen22 (talk) 18:49, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the shift-key advice. It is a key problem, and if I tap it hard enough, it fixes.Noghiri (talk) 19:05, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

2010 WikiCup Signups Reconfirmation![edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of AstroAnswers[edit]

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May 2010[edit]

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Flood myths[edit]

Please stop and discuss this at the talk page. There is no such word 'legendology', you cannot change the names of books, and there is no recent discussion of a name change. Dougweller (talk) 20:43, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

NPOV changes get blocked anyway. Shall I call in admin action? Arlen22 (talk) 20:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
It's nothing to do with NPOV, see the article talk page where I'll explain. There's nothing for an Admin to act on right now. Dougweller (talk) 05:01, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Disruptive editing on Flood legends[edit]

There has been no consensus for the article name change and to change every instance of the word myth to legend is simply absurd since many mentions are book titles!TeapotgeorgeTalk 20:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Arlen are editing warring and you are close to violating WP:3RR. Please do not move the page back and use the talk page to discuss.Griswaldo (talk) 20:49, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Arlen telling me to stop reverting your disruptive moves only digs you a deeper hole. Relax and discuss this on the talk page instead of insisting on your version of the title. Clearly many editors oppose you.Griswaldo (talk) 12:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Others suppport the move. Arlen22 (talk) 12:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
2 editors whose only edit was to support the move, another with only 55 edits since 2007. this the only edit since October 2007. Dougweller (talk) 12:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

July 2010[edit]

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12:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Nuvola apps important.svg You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Deluge myth. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If the edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Dougweller (talk) 12:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a hopeless case. Arlen22 (talk) 12:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

You clearly have no idea what you are doing. This search-and-replace edit is extremely pathetic, and basically vandalism. Seeing that Wikipedia actually manages to stop you dead in your tracks before you do any real damage goes to show that far from being a "hopeless case", Wikipedia works very well. Please either find a topic to write about on which you have some basic background knowledge, or else be prepared to submit to such editors as do have such knowledge and can back it up with literature. --dab (𒁳) 13:58, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I know. I meant about the NPOV thing. Arlen22 (talk) 22:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit Warring[edit]

Please note: I've brought this issue up on AN/EW here. This is just to let you know what's going on.



14:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Warring at Deluge myth[edit]

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The complete report of this case is at WP:AN3#User:Arlen22 reported by User:Mann jess (Result: 48h). EdJohnston (talk) 14:49, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


I agree with the petition, but it may have little effect, as neither involved user has been active for a while. The code has been handed over to some coder (I don't remember his name), but before he fixes it he wants to be registered to a Toolserver account. For whatever reason that's wrapped in red tape. Perhaps you should then change the petition to that...? ResMar 22:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Can you provide references? I don't have many resources about the situation. Also, the operator has a tool server account, is that good enough? Arlen22 (talk) 22:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
My reference is a conversation with User:Headbomb over IRC. You can ask him for details :) ResMar 01:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Ah, yes. At first I thought you meant the one who wrote the code. I saw that conversation somewhere. In any case, I have the code, but I won't take down the petition till it is fulfilled. Now I am looking for someone who can take over. Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Replacement_for_the_late_Article_Alert_Bot Arlen22 (talk) 01:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Very well done! May the issue finally be resolved! ResMar 17:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Good work[edit]

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Thank you for finally getting the code for the ArticleAlert bot. You deserve many barnstars. Gage (talk) 19:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Think i can say it in name of WP:FG, thank you, you have made a fantastic job we are grateful :). --Pedro J. the rookie 22:58, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

You are a star! Schwede66 21:32, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

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WELL DONE!!! I miss AA and am looking forward to getting them back. Thank you so much!!!! Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
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I can't believe it, AA bot is coming back!! Wonderful job, thanks!!Crusio (talk) 14:30, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
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The da Vinci Barnstar is for outstanding technical work, and your effort on the AA is just that. Keep going!--DThomsen8 (talk) 00:11, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

OMG! Thanks you SOOOO much for getting this thing going. It is singularly the most valuable tool available to projects, IMO. Its loss has been hard felt by our project. Thanks again! —Charles Edward (Talk | Contribs) 15:34, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

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This is for you Arlen 22. Thanks so much for all your work on ArticleAlert bot, it's great info to have and will significantly help all of us in the biology projects of Wikipedia (including WikiProject Gastropods), as well as everyone else in every other project! Invertzoo (talk) 22:10, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Kudos! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


Hi, I was told to contact you for the code for the Article Alert Bot. Joe Gazz84usertalkcontribsEditor Review 21:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

This user has volunteered to take over the bot. If you could send them the code, this issue can hopefully be resolved. Gage (talk) 22:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Incidentally, I would also be interested in a copy of the code, in order to write an alternate implementation in Perl. Mostly for my own amusement (I'm not particularly interested in taking on the burden of operating a bot on Wikipedia), but I'd certainly put any code I might produce up on Github or somesuch in order to ensure there is an easily available starting point should anyone ever be in need of it (cf. the problems we had with the old code base until you managed to solve it). I'd also be happy to help out any way I can with the actual “official” code, but given lack of time and lacking familiarity with Java I'd probably not be much help. --Xover (talk) 14:04, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't have the updated version yet, should get it in a day or so, I will get back to you about this soon. Arlen22 (talk) 00:21, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Any possibility that the new version could be inserted into the "Latest Updates" section of Portal:Horses? The script in there now is here: Montanabw(talk) 21:15, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
We're talking about the bot code itself. It should work the same once we get it running. Arlen22 (talk) 12:04, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Updates are here: Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 39#Replacement for the late Article Alert Bot Arlen22 (talk) 12:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but I have no clue how to implement any of this, it's gibberish to me. (smile) Will the code just show up in the portal box by magic, or does a real human have to do something to replace the old with the new? That's my question... Montanabw(talk) 20:22, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
It looks like it is already implemented. There is nothing to do but wait till the bot is running again. Arlen22 (talk) 21:31, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Ah, so the code is fine as is? I guess I thought the bot was running apologies. I hear we owe you big time for fixing this thing... Montanabw(talk) 01:40, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I only got my hands on the source code, but I am also working with Joe, who is fixing the bot. I guess you could call me the coordinator. Arlen22 (talk) 01:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Dating method[edit]

Hi. I just reverted your change of era dating style on Timeline of historic inventions. You had changed all of the BCE to BC and CE to AD (or removed). I know this probably took you a lot of time, so rather than have you do the same work on another article and have it reverted again, I figured I'd point out a policy, WP:ERA, which is a part of the Manual of Style. The last part of that guideline states "Do not change from one style to another unless there is substantial reason for the change, and consensus for the change with other editors." Thus, you can't go into articles and unilaterally change from one style to another without first discussing on the article's talk page why you think the change should be made and getting consensus. In that particular case, for example, I would be opposed to such a change, because the article is primarily scientific/historical in content, and thus should follow the more standard academic practice rather than the one common in non-academic writing in the US. Of course, if a consensus of other editors found some good reason to switch, I would follow that consensus, but I do know that such a change must be discussed first. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:59, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Arlen22 (talk) 12:46, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

January 2011[edit]

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Before saving your changes to an article, please provide an edit summary, which you forgot to do before saving your recent edit to Noah's Ark. Doing so helps everyone understand the intention of your edit (and prevents legitimate edits from being mistaken for vandalism). It is also helpful to users reading the edit history of the page. Thank you. You really need to start using edit summaries regularly. Dougweller (talk) 16:15, 15 January 2011 (UTC)


I'm not a nautical engineer, but the following should be blindingly obvious:

  1. Excessive size for crude materials and construction techniques;
  2. This would be aggravated by its long, thin shape -- I would expect it to 'break its back' in heavy seas.
  3. Lack of keel, meaning it is likely to capsize in heavy seas.
  4. Difficulty in steering -- making it difficult to keep its bow into the weather

HrafnTalkStalk(P) 18:38, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

In response:
  1. I will just say "git 'er done".
  2. The length to width of 6:1 ratio is very common. I am compiling a list of ship lengths and widths on my userpage.
  3. I don't get the point. How do modern ships happen to have keels?
  4. Would you need to steer? Besides, as AIG has mentioned before, most ancient ships had an enormous "thing" in front, and this would catch the wind.
Arlen22 (talk) 18:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Moving this to user talk as article talk is WP:NOTAFORUM

  1. Large wooden ships require large forests, large amounts of transportation, large amounts of sawmilling and large amounts of construction. Essentially a miniature mass production set-up.
  2. I rather doubt if those dimensions scale well.
  3. Large keels require large drydocks (where would Noah have found one?). Also the Ark is normally conceived of as a keel-less barge.
  4. (i) To keep it headed into the wind/waves for stability. (ii) AIG is not a WP:RS. (iii) I have no idea what "thing" you're talking about. A ram perhaps?

HrafnTalkStalk(P) 19:13, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

  1. He had 100 years to build that thing, which sounds like plenty of time to me.
  2. Did you research it? I did. Most of them have those proportions (so far).
  3. Why wouldn't a field work for a drydock?
  4. Most ancient ships have a mast or something like that sticking up above the bow.

Arlen22 (talk) 19:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

  1. Termites? Rot? Etc? After 100 years I'd expect the original parts to have disintegrated.
  2. How many are completely wooden, and that size?
  3. Because it would fall over.
  4. Most ancient ships weren't that big. The amount of mastage that you'd need to control a ship that big would be huge -- and would create enormous stresses.

HrafnTalkStalk(P) 19:26, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

A ship with an air rudder in the front.
  1. It says that he daubed it with pitch. Don't you think that that would have helped?
  2. Not many, true, but that isn't the point. The point is that those dimensions are used.
  3. Have you ever heard of props? If someone is going to build a ship, surely they wouldn't just put the beams up and expect it to balance!
  4. That's not what I mean. Here is a picture.

Arlen22 (talk) 19:34, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

  1. That much pitch would be a fire hazard.
  2. Yes, and the Empire State Building is 381 meters tall -- but I wouldn't want to build something that big out of wood. The materials one uses places limitations on the size of what you can build.
  3. Have you ever thought about how much a boat that big would weigh? Have you ever thought about how much wind it would catch?
  4. Mast+sails=stress -- regardless of where they're "sticking up". And most ancient ships weren't very seaworthy (as they only had to survive the relatively calm Mediterranean).

HrafnTalkStalk(P) 19:45, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

  1. But that doesn't mean he didn't do it.
  2. That is tall, not long. The ark was only 45 feet tall. Of course there are limits, but people regularly build chicken houses that are that big. It certainly isn't impossible.
  3. Yeah, it would probably be a lot lighter than something the same size made of steel. Wood floats, you know. Of course it would catch the wind, but I don't think that would affect much, unless you are talking about capsize.
  4. As you can see above, I wasn't talking about mast or sails. I don't think it had any need for either.

Arlen22 (talk) 19:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

  1. Only that it's unlikely.
  2. Gravity isn't the only stress, and so height is not the only limitation.
  3. You don't think the likelihood that it would be blown over would "affect much"?
  4. That's a viking longship -- a very different design to Mediterranean ones -- small, open-decked, designed specifically to be ocean-going, designed more for raiding rather than large-scale transport. The largest were only 45m long -- and I doubt if they'd scale much further. I also doubt if they'd be manoeuvrable lacking their sails and oars. Also that's just the prow -- the rudder and steersman is visible at the back.

HrafnTalkStalk(P) 20:08, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

  1. But the fact remains that he was instructed to, and so probably did it.
  2. Right
  3. I said "unless you are talking about capsize". But please tell me why modern ships don't capsize in heavy seas?
  4. Toward that end, allow me to point you to [1]. Item number 1 is what I am talking about. Also Item 5 is related.

Arlen22 (talk) 20:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

  • There is nothing the least bit "probable" about anything to do with this narrative.
  • Water ("capsizing") supports a boat far better than props ("blowing over") would, and exposes considerably less of the side of a boat to wind.
  • Allow me to point out that (i) this is nothing like the longboat prow, (ii) that the AiG claim appears to be WP:Complete bollocks. I've never seen any serious claim that high stems made a ship 'self-steer'. See for example Trireme for discussion of ancient ship construction.

HrafnTalkStalk(P) 20:33, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

  • I see what you mean, I thought you meant on the water. Why should Noah not have taken care of all those little problems that you seem to have on the top of your head.
  • Well that is what I was talking about. Of course it has to be bigger because it is a bigger ship.

Arlen22 (talk) 20:40, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

<Scottie from Star Trek> 'Cause ye canna break the laws of physics!</Scottie from Star Trek> HrafnTalkStalk(P) 20:43, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

What about Tessarakonteres? There is your proof that it can be done. Arlen22 (talk) 21:02, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

You should perhaps read the article in question before citing it:

  1. It was a Mediterranean galley, not an ocean-going cargo ship
  2. It may have been a catamaran for stability
  3. It was a one-off, indicating that it probably wasn't particularly practical. Further: "But this ship was merely for show; and since she differed little from a stationary edifice on land, being meant for exhibition and not for use, she was moved only with difficulty and danger."
  4. "A hull of such size would involve great bend-induced stresses"
  5. The craft required a massive crew of rowers and sailors
  6. It was built and maintained by a major ancient empire, not a single family.

So yes, a very wealthy empire, out of shear pig-headedness, could build a ship that big, but it couldn't make it practical or seaworthy, because "ye canna break the laws of physics!" HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:23, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Wikipedia:WikiProject Bible/NewHome[edit]

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God is perfect?[edit]

I found this statement on your talk page hilarious: "When God created everything, he made it perfect. Soon, however, Satan became jealous of God and tried to be like him."

Well if God created everything perfectly, then humans would have never chosen to be evil creatures when imbued with free will, Satan would never have became jealous, etc, etc. You can't say something like "God created everything perfectly, but then his perfect creations were subsequently imperfect"

Hmm. You've got a point, didn't really give it much thought. The Bible says he made it "very good", not "perfect".Arlen22 (talk) 21:40, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

And I think it's funny there are still people who actually buy into Noah's Ark as being a literal account. Haven't you ever thought about how impossible it would be for the account to be true? Or do you just use the Christian "well God just fixed that problem with his magical powers"? Just curious. SuperAtheist (talk) 19:31, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree that it doesn't really say anything to just use a catch all. But as far as whether it actually happened, the Bible says it did, and the Bible makes a lot more sense, in my opinion, than evolution does. I'm not going to quit believing it just because everyone attacks it. Besides, I have yet to find an example where the Bible was actually proved to be wrong. Arlen22 (talk) 21:40, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


I have declined your speedy deletion nomination: I do not think G3 (vandalism) applies, nor (though it is more arguable) G10 "Pages that disparage, threaten, intimidate or harass their subject or some other entity, and serve no other purpose." If you think it should go, nominate it at WP:Templates for discussion. JohnCD (talk) 17:32, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

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I notice that you aren't currently subscribed to Ichthus, the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. Witha new format, we would be delighted to offer you a trial three-month, money-back guarantee, subscription to our newsletter. If you are interested then please add your name tothis list, and you will receive your first issue shortly. From June 2013 we are starting a new "in focus" section that tells our readers about an interesting and important groups of articles. The first set is about Jesus, of course. We have also started a new book review section and our own "did you know" section. In the near future I hope to start a section where a new user briefly discusses their interests.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 21:08, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Love history & culture? Get involved in WikiProject World Digital Library![edit]

World Digital Library Wikipedia Partnership - We need you!
Hi Arlen22! I'm the Wikipedian In Residence at the World Digital Library, a project of the Library of Congress and UNESCO. I'm recruiting Wikipedians who are passionate about history & culture to participate in improving Wikipedia using the WDL's vast free online resources. Participants can earn our awesome WDL barnstar and help to disseminate free knowledge from over 100 libraries in 7 different languages. Multilingual editing encouraged!!! But being multilingual is not a necessity to make this project a success. Please sign up to participate here. Thanks for editing Wikipedia and I look forward to working with you! EdwardsBot (talk) 19:37, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library now offering accounts from Cochrane Collaboration (sign up!)[edit]

The Wikipedia Library gets Wikipedia editors free access to reliable sources that are behind paywalls. Because you are signed on as a medical editor, I thought you'd want to know about our most recent donation from Cochrane Collaboration.

  • Cochrane Collaboration is an independent medical nonprofit organization that conducts systematic reviews of randomized controlled trials of health-care interventions, which it then publishes in the Cochrane Library.
  • Cochrane has generously agreed to give free, full-access accounts to 100 medical editors. Individual access would otherwise cost between $300 and $800 per account.
  • If you are still active as a medical editor, come and sign up :)

Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 20:33, 16 June 2013 (UTC)


Greetings, Arlen22 I found you in Wikipedia:WikiProject Bible. Template:Bibleverse needs to be edited by and admin. The source code links to That website is no longer active. User:Atethnekos edited Template:Bibleverse/sandbox which links to

{ { Bibleverse|BOOK#|BOOKNAME|c:v–c:v|SOURCE } } John 1:1 Joel 4:2 1 Maccabees 2:1-5 are not working.
{ { Bibleverse/sandbox|BOOK#|BOOKNAME|c:v–c:v|SOURCE } } John 1:1 Joel 4:2 1 Maccabees 2:1-5 are working.
The source code of Template:Bibleverse needs to be changed in its entirety to:the source code found found in Bibleverse/sandbox
Can you take care of this? Kind regards, --@Efrat (talk) 06:52, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Never mind It's been fixed. --@Efrat (talk) 07:42, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

The Pulse (WP:MED newsletter) June 2014[edit]

The first edition of The Pulse has been released. The Pulse will be a regular newsletter documenting the goings-on at WPMED, including ongoing collaborations, discussions, articles, and each edition will have a special focus. That newsletter is here.

The newsletter has been sent to the talk pages of WP:MED members bearing the {{User WPMed}} template. To opt-out, please leave a message here or simply remove your name from the mailing list. Because this is the first issue, we are still finding out feet. Things like the layout and content may change in subsequent editions. Please let us know what you think, and if you have any ideas for the future, by leaving a message here.

Posted by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:23, 5 June 2014 (UTC) on behalf of WikiProject Medicine.

BMJ offering 25 free accounts to Wikipedia medical editors[edit]

Neat news: BMJ is offering 25 free, full-access accounts to their prestigious medical journal through The Wikipedia Library and Wiki Project Med Foundation (like we did with Cochrane). Please sign up this week: Wikipedia:BMJ --Cheers, Ocaasi via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:14, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Medical Translation Newsletter[edit]

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Medical Translation Newsletter
Issue 1, June/July 2014
by CFCF, Doc James

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This is the first of a series of newsletters for Wikiproject Medicine's Translation Task Force. Our goal is to make all the medical knowledge on Wikipedia available to the world, in the language of your choice.

note: you will not receive future editions of this newsletter unless you *sign up*; you received this version because you identify as a member of WikiProject Medicine

Spotlight - Simplified article translation

Wikiproject Medicine started translating simplified articles in February 2014. We now have 45 simplified articles ready for translation, of which the first on African trypanosomiasis or sleeping sickness has been translated into 46 out of ~100 languages. This list does not include the 33 additional articles that are available in both full and simple versions.

Our goal is to eventually translate 1,000 simplified articles. This includes:

We are looking for subject area leads to both create articles and recruit further editors. We need people with basic medical knowledge who are willing to help out. This includes to write, translate and especially integrate medical articles.

What's happening?

IEG grant
CFCF - "IEG beneficiary" and editor of this newsletter.

I've (CFCF) taken on the role of community organizer for this project, and will be working with this until December. The goals and timeline can be found here, and are focused on getting the project on a firm footing and to enable me to work near full-time over the summer, and part-time during the rest of the year. This means I will be available for questions and ideas, and you can best reach me by mail or on my talk page.

Wikimania 2014

For those going to London in a month's time (or those already nearby) there will be at least one event for all medical editors, on Thursday August 7th. See the event page, which also summarizes medicine-related presentations in the main conference. Please pass the word on to your local medical editors.

Integration progress

There has previously been some resistance against translation into certain languages with strong Wikipedia presence, such as Dutch, Polish, and Swedish.
What was found is that thre is hardly any negative opinion about the the project itself; and any such critique has focused on the ways that articles have being integrated. For an article to be usefully translated into a target-Wiki it needs to be properly Wiki-linked, carry proper citations and use the formatting of the chosen target language as well as being properly proof-read. Certain large Wikis such as the Polish and Dutch Wikis have strong traditions of medical content, with their own editorial system, own templates and different ideas about what constitutes a good medical article. For example, there are not MEDRS (Polish,German,Romanian,Persian) guidelines present on other Wikis, and some Wikis have a stronger background of country-specific content.

  • Swedish
    Translation into Swedish has been difficult in part because of the amount of free, high quality sources out there already: patient info, for professionals. The same can be said for English, but has really given us all the more reason to try and create an unbiased and free encyclopedia of medical content. We want Wikipedia to act as an alternative to commercial sources, and preferably a really good one at that.
    Through extensive collaborative work and by respecting links and Sweden specific content the last unintegrated Swedish translation went live in May.
  • Dutch
    Dutch translation carries with it special difficulties, in part due to the premises in which the Dutch Wikipedia is built upon. There is great respect for what previous editors have created, and deleting or replacing old content can be frowned upon. In spite of this there are success stories: Anafylaxie.
  • Polish
    Translation and integration into Polish also comes with its own unique set of challenges. The Polish Wikipedia has long been independent and works very hard to create high quality contentfor Polish audience. Previous translation trouble has lead to use of unique templates with unique formatting, not least among citations. Add to this that the Polish Wikipedia does not allow template redirects and a large body of work is required for each article.
    (This is somewhat alleviated by a commissioned Template bot - to be released). - List of articles for integration
  • Arabic
    The Arabic Wikipedia community has been informed of the efforts to integrate content through both the general talk-page as well as through one of the major Arabic Wikipedia facebook-groups: مجتمع ويكيبيديا العربي, something that has been heralded with great enthusiasm.
Integration guides

Integration is the next step after any translation. Despite this it is by no means trivial, and it comes with its own hardships and challenges. Previously each new integrator has needed to dive into the fray with little help from previous integrations. Therefore we are creating guides for specific Wikis that make integration simple and straightforward, with guides for specific languages, and for integrating on small Wikis.

Instructions on how to integrate an article may be found here [4]

News in short

To come
  • Medical editor census - Medical editors on different Wikis have been without proper means of communication. A preliminary list of projects is available here.
  • Proofreading drives

Further reading

Thanks for reading! To receive a monthly talk page update about new issues of the Medical Translation Newsletter, please add your name to the subscriber's list. To suggest items for the next issue, please contact the editor, CFCF (talk · contribs) at Wikipedia:Wikiproject Medicine/Translation Taskforce/Newsletter/Suggestions.
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