User talk:Art LaPella

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Elvis' Golden Records[edit]

Thanks for the tip. I made a correction so it should be okay now. Jimknut (talk) 16:49, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Adolf Dobrovolný[edit]

Hi Art and Happy new year! After a long time of having duties with a baby I've added an article here and tried to apply for Did you know... Can you please give a check-peep on it? Thank you.

I think I did more Wikipedia:Manual of Style edits than English language edits. I changed two occurrences of the word "autor" to "actor", but is that right or did it mean "author"? Art LaPella (talk) 00:05, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

770 Account listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect 770 Account. Since you had some involvement with the 770 Account redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. ~TPW 17:55, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Answered at that discussion. Art LaPella (talk) 19:33, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Antonín Sova[edit]

Thank you for Adolf Dobrovolný correction. It experienced some trouble with the photo but eventually got to DYK. This month I discovered the 150th anniversary of a Czech poet so I have tried to hook it for DYK like this: Did you know that Czech poet Antonín Sova gained national fame having answered in verse to Theodor Mommsen's letter calling the German historian "covetous dotard" or "arrogant spokesmen of slavery"? Thanks for wading through my muddy English.Aloysius (talk) 20:16, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll do the DYK hook first: "Did you know that Czech poet Antonin Sova gained national fame for answering Theodor Mommsen's letter in verse, calling the German historian a "covetous dotard" and an "arrogant spokesman of slavery"?
  • "having answered" sounds OK in English (if it were "having answered Theodor Mommsen's letter in verse"), but it left me wondering why Sova gained national fame. Did he call Mommsen names, and then become famous for something else? But the article makes it clear that Sova became famous because of his poem.
  • I didn't know what a "dotard" was until I looked it up. At first I changed it to the more familiar-sounding "covetous and senile", but then I realized you were citing someone else's translation, so I changed it back.
  • "spokesman" not "spokesmen" because Mommsen is singular, not plural. Your article says "spokesmen" but its reference says "spokesman". If there is some reason the reference translation is wrong, then we need to rewrite the sentence somehow, because Mommsen was only one person.
  • "and" not "or", because Sova used both phrases, not just one.
Yes check.svg Done. I think Google Translate is wrong to translate "kantor" as cantor. So you might want to click the word "here" at the bottom, where it says "Please help Google Translate improve quality for your language here." Art LaPella (talk) 00:37, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Filip Fabricius[edit]

Hi Art, thank you for your detailed inspection of the Sova article and I would like to ask for another one. Can you check the correctness of my new hook and article, please?

The hook looks OK, and I edited the article. I didn't edit this puzzling phrase: "... secretary of German expedition of the Bohemian Court Chancery, the highest office in Bohemia." Some websurfing showed that Bohemian Court Chancery is apparently the same as the German name Böhmische Hofkanzlei. So I made a redirect from Bohemian Court Chancery (and Chancellery) to Judenplatz#Bohemian Court Chancellery, the best description I could find in English Wikipedia. So it's in Vienna.
So what is a German expedition of the Bohemian Court Chancery? Here's a definition of "expedition". It made me think Germans were going someplace dangerous, like the South Pole. Perhaps you were calling the trip from Bohemia to Vienna an expedition, but then why is it German? Did you mean Austrian? I had a similar geographical problem with something in Vienna being "the highest office in Bohemia". My geographical knowledge of the area before modern times, is mostly limited to the map of the game called Diplomacy, but I don't think Vienna was ever considered part of Bohemia. So did you mean "the highest office OF Bohemia"? Art LaPella (talk) 04:44, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for that. The point in case of the Chancery is that it had been in Prague before the Thirty Years' War in which Czech Protestant rebellion was defeated and with it also the Czech national culture which was since then more and more germanized and politicaly centralized in Habsburg capital Vienna. The word expedition here is in the second Swedish:-) meaning according to http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/expedition and so I put it in brackets in the article because it is a Czech historical administrative term which we do not use in modern Czech either Aloysius (talk) 22:26, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I think I got this. Bohemia had a German minority (which Americans remember mainly because of how we use the word appeasement), so this boils down to "secretary of the office for the German minority at a Bohemian court". I'm adding "the". Art LaPella (talk) 17:26, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Hatnotes[edit]

Hi,

Please don't confuse "see also" with "see instead". That is, when you are disambiguating between similarly named but otherwise unconnected articles, you don't want to offer a "see also" - you want to say "did you perhaps mean..."

For better alternatives, check out WP:HAT. Cheers, CapnZapp (talk) 13:12, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree that {{see instead}} would be better than {{see also}}, if it existed, and I have often reviewed WP:HAT. Is there a specific template that is better for "similarly named but otherwise unconnected articles"? I've also used {{distinguish}}. Art LaPella (talk) 14:17, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Never mind, I just saw Phil Hartman and Philip Hartman. Art LaPella (talk) 14:21, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you so much for helping in the cleanup of the "List of stars in x" articles! Keep up the good work! StringTheory11 (t • c) 18:18, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I'll copy it to my user page. Art LaPella (talk) 18:50, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Also thanks for catching that vandalism on my userpage. I would never have even noticed :). StringTheory11 (t • c) 21:16, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Also again, thanks for catching the errors I occasionally make when expanding the lists. With so much to do in each edit without any automation on my part, it would certainly be hard to do it error-free, so your software really helps matters here. StringTheory11 (t • c) 04:57, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
One solution would be that perhaps you could tell me when you make such an edit. I watchlisted Scorpius only because I edited it. Art LaPella (talk) 05:05, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Good idea; I'll do that. I generally work on the larger ones such as Scorpius and the upcoming Vela over a few days, so it may be a while before I actually save the edit. StringTheory11 (t • c) 05:41, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Done the first part of the edit on Vela's list: removing the Gould column, linking all the notable stars, and adding variability to the notes column. Still have to add the missing notable stars and check for naming of variable stars. StringTheory11 (t • c) 02:56, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Did my corresponding first part. Art LaPella (talk) 03:57, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Vela is now done. Also, the reason I delinked a few of the stars is that they are not notable enough for their own articles per WP:NASTRO. StringTheory11 (t • c) 01:11, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Should CPD -57 2874 be in Carina? The coordinates in the list and in SIMBAD are in Carina, a degree south of the constellation boundary. But the article shows question marks instead of coordinates. Art LaPella (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Done, except for CPD -57 2874 as above. Art LaPella (talk) 02:11, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Ah, you're right; just checked using VizieR. Will move it now. StringTheory11 (t • c) 02:59, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I expect that I will finish list of stars in Cancer within the next day or two as well. StringTheory11 (t • c) 19:30, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Watchlisted. Art LaPella (talk) 19:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. My software pointed out 6 stars, including TW and TX Cancri which are slightly brighter than their maxima, but the only actual edit I made was to re-sort. Art LaPella (talk) 17:32, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Gemini is next. For the order, I'm just going reverse order of 88 modern constellations by area (probably not the smartest decision I've ever made, but w/e I'm already 2/3 the way through so I won't change it now). StringTheory11 (t • c) 05:39, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Earth Similarity Index[edit]

I saw your post at Talk:Earth Similarity Index. I can't answer your question, but I thought you might be interested in a discussion about the article at User talk:CorinneSD#"...would likely have...". You can ignore the parts about the word "likely". The other parts seem related to your post. Feel free to answer my question about the pairs of figures. CorinneSD (talk) 23:11, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I found "pairs of figures" in the BBC article. If the question is whether the BBC article is good enough to use, well, that's pretty much the same question I asked (I'm not an astronomer either). If we remove the end of the table which comes from the BBC article, then that would resolve my contradiction except for Kepler-186 f 0.64. Art LaPella (talk) 23:38, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. I can't help on this. I was kind of waiting for Vsmith (or you) to answer my question or edit the article. CorinneSD (talk) 00:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Ebola outbreak Thanks[edit]

Thanks Art for correcting my grammar and spelling errors. I am partially sighted due to Multiple sclerosis and tends to miss spaces. My first language is not English as well.

Kind regards Brian

BrianGroen (talk) 18:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. Art LaPella (talk) 18:14, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Émilien of Nantes[edit]

I was sort of hoping he could do something about the weeds in my driveway. You never know. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:43, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Ebola article[edit]

Art, For the love of god, please feel perfectly free to copy edit anything I write! I try hard but I have no natural or otherwise ability when it comes to writing. Commas worry me to no end. I know good writing when I see it, but as for producing it myself, that's another thing! Best, Gandy Gandydancer (talk) 14:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Did you mean this and this? Not your comma. My writing gets removed or rewritten often enough so that I pretty much limit myself to spelling, grammar, and clear-cut errors; Wikipedia has plenty of those to be fixed. Art LaPella (talk) 16:12, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Art, would you be interested in doing the Resources split for the Ebola article? Jytdog was set to do it but he has decided to take a few days away from the article. Let me know. Gandydancer (talk) 13:40, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
What resources? I think you mean Ebola virus epidemic in West Africa‎#Responses. I studied the splitting instructions more carefully this time (I do computer programming, but I'm not a writer), and the least mechanical part of the process is composing a summary to be left in the main article where the responses section was removed. That's a lot more text than I usually write, so maybe you should do that part. Art LaPella (talk) 14:42, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Well Art, yes I meant Responses. If the truth be known, I was madder than a hornet yesterday and even more prone than usual to make mistakes. :) I have prepared an intro and placed it in the article, so it's ready to be split. Thanks for doing it. I guess that if my life depended on it I could manage, but it would take many hours and possibly even many days to get it done. Gandydancer (talk) 16:29, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Art LaPella (talk) 19:42, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, and be sure to write those split directions down for further use. :) (Art, I don't know why it is, but I always feel I want to joke around with you - is that OK?) Gandydancer (talk) 22:04, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes it's OK; you've perhaps read some other stuff in my user space, which is often not so serious. The split directions are Wikipedia:Splitting#How to properly split an article, which I consulted at every step. Art LaPella (talk) 05:52, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Art thanks for fixing my abominably bad English. greetings Brian BrianGroen (talk) 18:49, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Precious again[edit]

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corrections
Thank you for quality educational correction of mistakes in spelling, grammar and meaning, to make articles look their best on the Main page, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (4 June 2010)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Two years ago, you were the 269th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:52, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Thnx for the corrections on hobby horse polo. I think it would be interesting for you to have a look on Olim le Berlin as well. Best regards Serten (talk) 12:06, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Art LaPella (talk) 19:30, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Thnx! Serten (talk) 07:30, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Ebola epidemic[edit]

Hi Art, I changed the dab into a redirect, and so it's now just like Ebola outbreak, and included in the redirect hatnote at List of Ebola outbreaks. Widefox; talk 10:06, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, that will work, but I think most people searching for "Ebola epidemic" or "Ebola outbreak" are thinking of the current epidemic, now and in the future. If they were thinking of something obscure like Kikwit, they would have recognized the need to specify which epidemic. So I provided a more direct, obvious way to get to the West African article. Art LaPella (talk) 14:07, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
"Epidemic" and "outbreak" are so close that that logic may apply to both terms. Epidemic is slightly stronger as a candidate to redirect to the current African epidemic article but that may be RECENTISM. As a dab page it may have a primary topic of the list article (rather than the current African outbreak article, or some regional spread article), and examples of that primary topic which shouldn't be listed per WP:DABCONCEPT / WP:PTM. As such, 1 or possibly 2 valid entries. We seem to be specifically set up against WP:NEWSPAPER / WP:RECENTISM / WP:10YT. That's tempting to resist with such current popular topics. Navigation: for readers, they now get redirected to the more general list article which has a hatnote (I think the hatnote isn't technically meant to be either per WP:RELATED but I'm not going to remove it), so it's still only 1 click away, and it's now 0 clicks for the minority of readers wanting any of the epidemics. Widefox; talk 10:03, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
You've studied guidelines more than I have. So first, some non-guideline common-sense observations: Nobody else is in the house now, but if I asked "where's the Ebola epidemic", I'm sure they wouldn't say "which one". I Googled "Ebola epidemic", and I didn't find anything in the first 50 that wasn't mainly about the current epidemic. "Ebola epidemic" means the current one. Both those tests suffer from recentism because I don't have a time machine, but the statistics surely put the current epidemic in a class by itself, until something comparable occurs in the future.
DABCONCEPT would be more applicable if there were an article called "Ebola epidemics". But it's called a list, although it does have a paragraph about Ebola epidemics in general.
PTM? "Zoo" doesn't mean "Baltimore Zoo" if you're not in Baltimore, but "lawyer" means "human lawyer", as we can only speculate how aliens handle the problem, and "Ebola epidemic" means the big one.
Navigation: It's the same number of clicks to get to the West African article, but there's more other material on the page to distract from the intended path.
Oh well, I suppose everyone will have their own philosophy about it. Art LaPella (talk) 16:13, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh 100% agree with your sentiment and reasoning. We're just not a newspaper. Widefox; talk 19:03, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
?! You did notice I just responded to that point in the "time machine" sentence? Art LaPella (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
I heard a projection of >1M cases in months, so yes it may dwarf the other epidemics put together by orders of magnitude, but there's still several of them (and no pandemic yet). We could redirect to the Africa outbreak article as a primary topic, and use a redirect hatnote there to the list. There's already several 2013-2014 outbreak articles, and the list has them now. I notice Influenza A virus subtype H1N1 has a hatnote to that pandemic, so I really don't understand if we're meant to abandon WP:RELATED which would be the easiest for readers to find the outbreak article with "Ebola". Widefox; talk 00:59, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Even if it doesn't reach 1M, the list article says 4,555 for West Africa and 1624 for all the others combined. 4,555 is widely agreed to be significantly undercounted, and it's hard to imagine that there won't be at least a few thousand more before it's over. The 2013-2014 outbreak articles are all subarticles of the main article (outbreak in Liberia, outbreak in the U.S., responses to the outbreak, etc.), not separate epidemics, except for the unrelated Congo outbreak. So if a reader types "Ebola epidemic", he won't be surprised it doesn't take him directly to Sierra Leone. The African article's infobox will take him there, if that's what he really wanted.
Redirecting to the Africa outbreak with a hatnote to the list would give me at least most of what I want, and I'm not sure that isn't better. :) Art LaPella (talk) 02:11, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
It is tempting yes, but my understanding is that we shouldn't do it RECENTISM NEWSPAPER, and the "outbreak" or "epidemic" seem to have consensus to target the list. Widefox; talk 09:25, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

"Liberia" fix[edit]

Hi Art, an IP added that back [1]. Thanks for catching that. That is one of those stealth IP edits that editors always miss and hence they remain in an article for ages. SW3 5DL (talk) 22:17, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Would You Consider Overturning my Ban?[edit]

Hi Art_LaPella, excuse me for ban-evading via an IP address to ask you to consider unbanning me, but I don't see any other choice. I was permanently blocked more than two years ago on charge of sockpuppetry, which I deny. I am asking you and three other administrators to look at it. I just picked you off the list, checking only that you were recently active.

I need to keep this invitation neutral, so the best thing is just to point you to my RFC/U (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Colton_Cosmic#Statement_of_the_dispute). I can't restrain myself from saying that the RFC/U was kidnapped by my long-term hounders, and that I was denied the ability to speak in my own defense (unheard of in RFC/Us and against their clear instructions.

I'll also risk saying, but judge for yourself, that I never socked Wikipedia, and that an injustice has been perpetrated against me.

I would answer your questions if I could but you'll have to unblock my talkpage, presumably a less-controversial act.

Colton Cosmic.

I was made administrator in 2006 with the understanding that I would fix typos on the Main Page, and I have never blocked anyone, much less unblock anyone someone else chose to block, and much, much less unblock someone who has already been turned down by a long list including Jimbo. I was about to point you towards instructions for a more conventional ban appeal, but it's apparent now that you're much more familiar with that level of Wikipolitics than I am. Art LaPella (talk) 20:12, 23 October 2014 (UTC)