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External link spam gearing up?[edit]

An ed has written a script to magically produce wiki citations at HuffPost and numerous other news & blog outlets. They are now trying to defend what sounds like mass loading of external links to article talk pages, so someone else can work on them, someday, maybe. Join the party at talk page re the talk page guidelines in this thread. Info on their script is at the user page and user talk page. I especially liked the braggadocio in later posts in the thread, trumpeting the volume of links added to the mass of pages at a non-English wiki, and the community's desire there to stop him. Of course I debated posting this here under WP:BEANS but my guess is that the snot is already out of the sneeze. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:03, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

NewsAndEventsGuy, know any edit filter gurus? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 13:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
No.... don't even know what that means, really. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:26, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
NewsAndEventsGuy, it seems possible that we could construct an WP:Edit filter which would detect use of the script, and throttle it. Of course, he could edit the script to avoid it. I don't want to post at the "Edit filters wanted" page, because that's the second WP:BEANS target. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 13:34, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Thnks Beyond my avail time to pursue I'm afraid. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
User:Master of Puppets might be able to help with an edit filter. SmartSE (talk) 18:55, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Homeopathy page[edit]

Arthur, I have created a bookmark on the Talk:Homeopathy page that is a point where a whole lot of other pages are linking to, so that we don't need to repeat ourselves to new comers. If you don't like it the way I'm doing it, can you do it in such a way that the link works and nobody tries to remove it again. After all it's just a discussion/talk page!—Khabboos (talk) 13:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

WP:TPG suggests use of {{anchor}}. WP:ACCESSIBLE "forbids" (well, as much as anything is forbidden) what you've been doing (creating white-on-white headers). I think I've fixed it. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 13:44, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
OK, thanks!—Khabboos (talk) 14:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Your edit on Matrix calculus[edit]

I would just like to explain why I changed "independent" to "input". Independence has its own meaning in linear algebra — specifically, linear independence — and I just wanted to avoid confusion. Not that "independent" is wrong, but "input" is unambiguous, and I fail to see any problem with it. Wham Bam Rock II (talk) 19:37, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

@Wham Bam Rock II: "Input", IMO, is computer science jargon. Perhaps we can find a better word in a mathematical article. "Independent" is, at least, classical, and not likely to be ambiguous in context. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:33, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
It appears to be Wikipedia jargon, as well. Sorry about that. I'll self-revert when I get home. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:41, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Repeated reference removal on Citizen Koch[edit]

Please review Wikipedia's WP:PRESERVE policy, and do not pointlessly remove valid references from the encyclopedia as you did here[1], here[2] and and here.[3] Thanks in advance. -- Kendrick7talk 05:21, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@Kendrick7: the edits I reverted were all by the same (still) blocked user. See User:Arthur Rubin/IP list for some others. I have no opinion as to whether the reference is valid, although I tend to doubt it. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 05:28, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
As we're long time fellow travelers, I don't mean to pick on you Arthur. I don't know the history of your conflict with certain IP editors. But as much as rules are not the purpose of Wikipedia, neither are vendettas. So, while I'm not sure what the term of art is in SoCal, still, as we say in Boston, "slow your roll." You've leapt to a paranoid conclusion here and even a broken clock is right twice a day. Illegitimi non carborundum! -- Kendrick7talk 06:18, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
To Kendrick7: If you, as a user in good standing, have independently verified the references in question, then re-add them in your own name. Do not criticize Arthur for removing material added by an untrustworthy user, since that is material which is presumptively unverified. JRSpriggs (talk) 06:36, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
I see nothing in our WP:PRESERVE policy which says we should automatically discount an edit based upon its editor. Rather, WP:Assume Good Faith should always be our watchword. -- Kendrick7talk 06:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Try reading the block enforcement stuff. Edits by block evading socks are revertible on sight. It's been going on a long time. The whole thing was reviewed by an active admin 2-3 months ago. There is at least one other active admin actively working to enforce the IPs block. So, if you want to adopt any of their edits, have at it. But if you're going to object to block enforcement on this IP, the only way to not look silly is to familiarize yourself with the history first. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 08:09, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Not if it violates WP:PRESERVE. I've caught another editor just now doing a similar reversion.[4] Where is the link to this policy you speak of such that I might reconcile the two? -- Kendrick7talk 02:50, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

@Kendrick7: WP:BMB, WP:BANREVERT. Technically, this IP-set is only "blocked", but there have been no proposals to revert the block(s). — Arthur Rubin (talk) 03:33, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, OK. But we shouldn't have one policy which says one thing and one policy which says something else. I've noted the disagreement in the section headers for now, and have begun a discussion here. -- Kendrick7talk 17:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

52 (Number) Edit[edit]

Hi Arthur,

We are trying to add a reference to the number 52 about it being the number he wore during his basketball career which has come to an end. Could you tell me why you keep removing it? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fyremaster (talkcontribs) 19:48, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@Fyremaster: We only list jersey numbers retired by a team at the top level. This could include college (if it's a top tier institution), but you don't mention the number being retired. If you see any other jersey numbers mentioned, which are not retired or part of the rules of the game, please remove them, as well. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 00:28, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
@Arthur:How is listing that "52 is the car number of retired NASCAR driver Jimmy Means" any different? NASCAR did not retire the number 52.
@Fyremaster: That's not a jersey number, that's a car number.... OK, so it doesn't make any sense. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Numbers#Numbers in sports, with subsection for NASCAR. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:35, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
@Arthur:Well that is just crazy. Who do we contact to make a suggested change to that policy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fyremaster (talkcontribs) 18:54, July 3, 2014‎
@Fyremaster: WT:WikiProject Numbers. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


How is the source for Bowers' arrays not reliable? And why does it matter that he and Conway worked independently? ~[[User:Cookiefonster|Cookie Fonstertalk sign! 11:37, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

@Cookiefonster: The source for Bowers' arrays is Bowers, himself, and that it is more powerful than Conway's "chained arrow notation" is therefore questionable. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 13:02, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
well then, here is Bird's Proof (a proof that Bowers' array are stronger than chained arrows): ~[[User:Cookiefonster|Cookie Fonstertalk sign! 15:38, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
It's irrelevant to the article on tetration or even hyperoperationss in general, as Conway's and Bowers'/Bird's notation are both adequate to handle hyperoperations. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 07:24, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Press for Truth[edit]

Hi Arthur,

I notice you've deleted a valid (though uncredited) producer credit on this page. I undeleted as I noticed it on Mr. Klamm's resume and his IMDB page, which does lend legitimacy to the credit.

Thanks, Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcairn (talkcontribs) 17:38, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

It's a associate producer credit, according to IMDB, and the credited associate producer is not listed. I think only producer (and possibly co-producer) credits should be in the box. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 17:58, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps it should be discussed on the talk page, before the status quo ante is changed. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:02, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: DOY PC[edit]

In short, my reasoning for doing it was because many of the edits were of the more subtle vandalism type that the few remaining RC patrollers or bots weren't catching (people adding their birthdays as events and junk like that). It's not frequent enough to warrant semi-protection, yet consistent enough where we know those types of edits happen. It's the type of article PC was designed for, to be honest. Wizardman 22:01, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


Hello, Both edits I have done make the article more accurate and less bias. Both changes were cited by well respected sources. The first was a more general and less biased definition, which the first wasn't really a definition at all. The second was a direct quote from the CDC to make the article less bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccpb101 (talkcontribs) 23:21, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


Are you the same Arthur L. Rubin who published an article on choosability with Paul Erdos and Herbert Taylor in 1980? See my annotated bibliography #DS8 at the Electronic Journal of Combinatorics, under Erdos, for "Rubin's Block Theorem" and "Rubin's 2-Choosability Theorem". Zaslav (talk) 16:48, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

@Zaslav: Yes, that's me. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Well, it's a pleasure to meet you, in a sense, at last. Zaslav (talk) 00:19, 19 July 2014 (UTC)