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I'm not spending as much time here as I would like, with taking care of my wife, 4 cats, a remodeling project, and looking for paying work. If I don't respond to a problem, it doesn't mean I haven't noticed it.

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Repeated reference removal on Citizen Koch[edit]

Please review Wikipedia's WP:PRESERVE policy, and do not pointlessly remove valid references from the encyclopedia as you did here[1], here[2] and and here.[3] Thanks in advance. -- Kendrick7talk 05:21, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@Kendrick7: the edits I reverted were all by the same (still) blocked user. See User:Arthur Rubin/IP list for some others. I have no opinion as to whether the reference is valid, although I tend to doubt it. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 05:28, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
As we're long time fellow travelers, I don't mean to pick on you Arthur. I don't know the history of your conflict with certain IP editors. But as much as rules are not the purpose of Wikipedia, neither are vendettas. So, while I'm not sure what the term of art is in SoCal, still, as we say in Boston, "slow your roll." You've leapt to a paranoid conclusion here and even a broken clock is right twice a day. Illegitimi non carborundum! -- Kendrick7talk 06:18, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
To Kendrick7: If you, as a user in good standing, have independently verified the references in question, then re-add them in your own name. Do not criticize Arthur for removing material added by an untrustworthy user, since that is material which is presumptively unverified. JRSpriggs (talk) 06:36, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
I see nothing in our WP:PRESERVE policy which says we should automatically discount an edit based upon its editor. Rather, WP:Assume Good Faith should always be our watchword. -- Kendrick7talk 06:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Try reading the block enforcement stuff. Edits by block evading socks are revertible on sight. It's been going on a long time. The whole thing was reviewed by an active admin 2-3 months ago. There is at least one other active admin actively working to enforce the IPs block. So, if you want to adopt any of their edits, have at it. But if you're going to object to block enforcement on this IP, the only way to not look silly is to familiarize yourself with the history first. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 08:09, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Not if it violates WP:PRESERVE. I've caught another editor just now doing a similar reversion.[4] Where is the link to this policy you speak of such that I might reconcile the two? -- Kendrick7talk 02:50, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

@Kendrick7: WP:BMB, WP:BANREVERT. Technically, this IP-set is only "blocked", but there have been no proposals to revert the block(s). — Arthur Rubin (talk) 03:33, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, OK. But we shouldn't have one policy which says one thing and one policy which says something else. I've noted the disagreement in the section headers for now, and have begun a discussion here. -- Kendrick7talk 17:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


How is the source for Bowers' arrays not reliable? And why does it matter that he and Conway worked independently? ~[[User:Cookiefonster|Cookie Fonstertalk sign! 11:37, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

@Cookiefonster: The source for Bowers' arrays is Bowers, himself, and that it is more powerful than Conway's "chained arrow notation" is therefore questionable. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 13:02, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
well then, here is Bird's Proof (a proof that Bowers' array are stronger than chained arrows): ~[[User:Cookiefonster|Cookie Fonstertalk sign! 15:38, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
It's irrelevant to the article on tetration or even hyperoperationss in general, as Conway's and Bowers'/Bird's notation are both adequate to handle hyperoperations. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 07:24, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Press for Truth[edit]

Hi Arthur,

I notice you've deleted a valid (though uncredited) producer credit on this page. I undeleted as I noticed it on Mr. Klamm's resume and his IMDB page, which does lend legitimacy to the credit.

Thanks, Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pcairn (talkcontribs) 17:38, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

It's a associate producer credit, according to IMDB, and the credited associate producer is not listed. I think only producer (and possibly co-producer) credits should be in the box. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 17:58, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps it should be discussed on the talk page, before the status quo ante is changed. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:02, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: DOY PC[edit]

In short, my reasoning for doing it was because many of the edits were of the more subtle vandalism type that the few remaining RC patrollers or bots weren't catching (people adding their birthdays as events and junk like that). It's not frequent enough to warrant semi-protection, yet consistent enough where we know those types of edits happen. It's the type of article PC was designed for, to be honest. Wizardman 22:01, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


Hello, Both edits I have done make the article more accurate and less bias. Both changes were cited by well respected sources. The first was a more general and less biased definition, which the first wasn't really a definition at all. The second was a direct quote from the CDC to make the article less bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccpb101 (talkcontribs) 23:21, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


Are you the same Arthur L. Rubin who published an article on choosability with Paul Erdos and Herbert Taylor in 1980? See my annotated bibliography #DS8 at the Electronic Journal of Combinatorics, under Erdos, for "Rubin's Block Theorem" and "Rubin's 2-Choosability Theorem". Zaslav (talk) 16:48, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

@Zaslav: Yes, that's me. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Well, it's a pleasure to meet you, in a sense, at last. Zaslav (talk) 00:19, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

July 2014[edit]

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I don't understand what you mean when you say the article "has general notability requirements, generally considered to including having their own article (not a group or event)." Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 18:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

@Davykamanzi: Not everyone in Category:1996 births deserves an entry. They have still have to have some international notability, and the article should not be a stub (whether or not tagged as a stub). The other guidelines at WP:WikiProject Years are vague. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:19, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
I spent an unbelievably long (about 2 months) period of time expanding the section, and I weeded out several tens of articles of people who I did not think merited an entry. If you look through all of those names, most (if not all) of those individuals have some international notability, even though some of their articles are indeed stubs. It's the same case with 1997 and 1998. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 18:25, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
One example I can pick out for you is Aníta Hinriksdóttir, an Icelandic middle-distance runner who's won medals in the European Junior Championships and the World Youth Championships, and is currently competing in the World Junior Championships in Eugene. Another good example is Croatian footballer Alen Halilović, who currently plays for FC Barcelona and has appeared for the Croatia senior national team. My suggestion to you would be to revert your edit and leave the entries there, and if there's any particular individuals you don't deem deserving of an entry (which I think you'll find are only a few) then feel free to take them off the article. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 18:30, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
@Davykamanzi: Those articles are quite long compared to some I've removed individually from 1997 and 1998, including (I believe) some of yours. In spite of what I said on your talk page earlier, which I erased, 1996 was the only article where I reverted your edits, rather than looking at the entries individually. I am assuming good faith, but I need not assume that your measure of international notability reflects (quasi-)consensus. Increasing the length of the article by over 50%, when it is probably already too long, needs a higher level of scrutiny. If I have time (I have a number of appointments today), I'll go through your list, but if I find 10% of a sample of 20-30, which need to be removed, I'll stand by my decision. You can, of course, bring it up on the talk page and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years, and I'll abide by consensus. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:50, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Given the massive backlash I seem to have triggered on the matter of years articles I'm going to concede to your decision to revert the edits, but it seems strange that the 1996 article is sandwiched between two years that have extensive Births sections so I'm trimming the section at User:Davykamanzi/sandbox/1996 births x. So far I've completed January and February but it shouldn't take more than a few days (might even finish today). Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 16:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

This entire issue is becoming excruciating. There's absolutely NO way the revised Births list is excessive…I can bet you it's just as much data as there is in 1995 or 1997. I'm failing to understand your reasoning behind this latest revert (pardon my tone). Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 23:47, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


Arthur, did you get my e-mail a week ago? Eric Kvaalen (talk) 20:23, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Paul Krugman[edit]

Are you referring to this Paul Krugman in chiropractic? Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 09:38, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Actually, yes. But, it's either completely off-topic, or, if Krugman actually is commenting on chiropractic, he's not an expert. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:41, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Agreed on both. Jim1138 (talk) 09:45, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


Before I can go ahead and re-add Joey Badass, I want to understand why you think he's a non-notable rapper. It may seem that way given a shortage of non-English articles on him, but the guy is considered one of the biggest rising stars of hip-hop, with some even going as far as calling him a hip-hop prodigy. It's actually surprising how a lot of this hasn't been conveyed in his article. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 08:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Due to limited space in the year articles, the standard of notability required for inclusion in an article on a year is much higher than the level of notability required to have a biographical article. JRSpriggs (talk) 12:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
@JRSpriggs: And I agree, but Joey Badass is definitely more than notable enough to merit inclusion in that article. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 12:27, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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