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A few different issues.[edit]

First, please note that I deleted Oopart since it was redundant to OOPArt and you said on the talk page that it was a mispelling. Second, regarding this edit: please be aware of Wikipedia's No personal attacks policy and also that Wikipedia's goal is to write neutral encyclopedia articles, not to debate the validity or not of specific ideas. Thanks. JoshuaZ 01:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for uploading such a cool picture of yourself. However, it needs an image tag. If you are the image creator, decide which tag you want to use. Here are a few tags you can choose from. Pick one, click 'edit' on your image, and add the tag at the end of the image editing page, on its own line. If you're not the artist, ask the artist which tag you should use. Thanks!
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Thanks for your help! happy editing! Verloren Hoop 18:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Falsifiable[edit]

Just a note: you are using the word "falsifiable" wrong on your user page. You have currently written: The Genesis account is a falsifiable truth, as it cannot be proven wrong but that doesn't exactly mean it's right. "Falsifiable" means, roughly "can be proven wrong," so "it cannot be proven wrong but that doesn't exactly mean it's right" is only correct if you mean that the theory in question is not falsifiable. Just though I would try to clarify that, since it looks like either a misunderstanding of the meaning or else a typo. :-) --Fastfission 00:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

And while we're on the topic of misunderstandings.[edit]

You may also want to be aware that Java Man was almost certainly not a gibbon. Among other problems, the skull is much to large. See [1]. Also, the claim about part of it being found 70 miles away is a misunderstanding arising from the same group discovering 70 miles away the Wadjak skull pictured here [2]. JoshuaZ 03:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks JoshuaZ for the awareness. Perhaps the femur was more recnt that the skullcap, so then as a matter of fact we must assume that they were not even related species. Java man had 940 cc, perhaps being most likely some king of athrophied human or something like that. You just got the skullcap. Java man is allegedly a homo erectus, just like the Peking man, right? That's just trusting in C14 dating, and for your sadness a recently dead seal in Antarctica was dated 1300 years old by C14. How could it have been 1300 years old if it had been killed 3 days ago?--Arturo #7 03:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to get in an extended discussion with you about this on Wiki (if you want to continue over email, that would be fine). I was merely pointing out that Java man was not at all Gibbon like. Also, I did not intend to make any claim that Java man is by itself very useful evidence- we have many other homo erectus remains at this point. Your others claims are similarly flawed or misguided. Note for example, that seals could easily be found to be much older by C14 dating than they are due to the reservoir effect (which is why when dating marine life using C14 one often needs to think carefully about what sort of life it was and what its habitat was (and why one in fact often uses other methods to cross-calibrate)). JoshuaZ 03:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Recreation of deleted material[edit]

Please do not recreate deleted material such as template:User christian... thanks. I've deleted this template. ++Lar: t/c 20:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

it's your stuff if you do believe or not in God, do not parrot your lame ideas into others. --Arturo #7 20:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I prefer to keep discussions threaded, see the header on my talk page, so I've refactored to here, and you can answer here. I deleted this template under the criteria for speedy deletion, G4 (recreation of deleted content)... This template, and similar ones, has been debated and deleted multiple times. Please review our policies in this area. Also, the use of the term " parrot your lame ideas" could be viewed as incivil. Please review our civility policies and keep them in mind for further comments, thanks. Finally, there are review processes if, after reviewing our practices and policies, you really think this deletion was not justified... ++Lar: t/c 20:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
So then why was it deleted? =S--Arturo #7 21:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
CSD G4, as I said before, "Recreation of previously deleted material". This template is divisive and it (and close variants) have been deleted multiple times already. See the Templates for deletion archives. Note also that the template has been userified, if you really want to use it, see User:Xoloz/UBX/User_Christian and transclude it onto your page and change it around as you see fit. ++Lar: t/c 10:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
what do you mean by divisive? I'm just asking why it was deleted the first time.. There are templates for atheists and agnostics I guess, so why shouldn't there be a template for christians? Seems kinda suspicious..--Arturo #7 15:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
See WP:GUS and User_talk:Xoloz/UBX/User_Christian. If you are unhappy with this, take it to WP:DRV. This box has been discussed to death many times. Note that "X is bad and Y is bad and X exists so why can't Y exist" is invalid as an argument here. The atheist and agnostic templates need to go too. Sorry, I'm done with this, there's nothing more to say. ++Lar: t/c 16:29, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

A1 articles[edit]

Please stop creating singe line articles or articles that have nothing but a category. They are deleted on sight. - CHAIRBOY () 17:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Caria civilization[edit]

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I'm currently working on this article, and I'll edit on my own words but I used the s8int.com stuff as a basis for it. I'm trying to find more external documentation on the findingd, perhaps doesn't seem to work out so well. As it seems like www.misteromania.it is the sole site providing good information on the Caria unknown civilization, I'm going to ask for permission to translate and publish it, perhaps how could I put the authorization tag here? Could you explain me please? Thanks --Arturo #7 21:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Helpme tag[edit]

Do you require assistance? —JD[don't talk|email] 21:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks for coming! I was working on an article on an alleged unknown civilization near Girifalco, Italy. But a more in-depth research led me to just 2 results on Google about it, so that doesn't make sense. Is it just a hoax? --Arturo #7 21:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I can't tell you if it's a hoax or not, but I can advise you on what you should do; but I'll have to see the page first. Also, in future, you should put the {{helpme}} tag on your talk page, and wait for somebody to answer it; they'll remove it for you. —JD[don't talk|email] 21:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
This alleged unknown calabrese civilization doesn't have a proper name and doesn't have so much sources. --Arturo #7 21:48, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Does the subject of that page has its own Wikipedia article? —JD[don't talk|email] 21:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I think you have to put the hang on on the article page not the discussion page.[edit]

Read the template on your article and follow the instructions. It tells you exactly were to put the hang-on. Mattisse(talk) 21:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

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Template:User Architecture[edit]

This template was already deleted per WP:GUS. I have migrated your userbox. You need not do anything more. Regards, alphaChimp laudare 00:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I've been looking at your contribs, and wanted to make the following suggestion:

I would like to thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. However, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thanks again. alphaChimp laudare 00:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

New location is User:Evan C/Userboxes/User Architecture. alphaChimp laudare 00:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Creationism and WP:NPOV[edit]

In regard to Portal:Creationism, you may want to be aware that WP:NPOV applies to portals as well. JoshuaZ 02:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

  • In regard to [[Portal:Evolution, you may want to be awat that WP:NPOVapplies to portals as well, and it regards evolutionary proccesses as factual. That's a clear NPOV violation--Arturo #7 02:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
First, I don't believe there is a Portal:Evolution. Second, even if this hypothetical portal did treat evolution as a fact, that would only be an NPOV problem under a limited set of circumstances- for example if it noted that the vast majority of scientists accept evolution, or called it a "scientific fact" - the first would be defintely acceptable, and the second would be possibly with NPOV. Third, even if there were a Portal:Evolution the correct thing to do would be to bring up possible NPOV issues there not create a rival portal with the other POV (please see WP:POINT). JoshuaZ 02:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I mistook, in Biology portal evolution is treated as a fact. There's a WikiProject for evolution. And the main idea for this Creationism portal is not supporting it, it's rather debating issues between evolution and creation. A skeptical developing a creationism portal. Notice that is NOT a creationist portal (it would be more likely to support creationism as it's cevouted to it the term "creationist"), it is a CREATIONISM one, regarding it as a valid topic. Stop bothering with nonsense. You might be blind if you don't see the clear NPOV violation across Biology Portal. This portal will be treated according to Wikipedia's NPOV policy, rather than "consensus-defined" topics like mainstream science. Or does the word consensus mean true to you? If the entire catholic church has an unproven consensus over Mary's virginity, does it make it true? No. Consensus are for unproven stuff and their belief is a matter of faith, as they cannot be proven right. --Arturo #7 02:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
First, Wikiprojects are often given more leeway than normal space pages(since they are not encyclopedia content). Second, a Portal that claims that Creationism has "its roots in the truth behind the creation from a biblical perspective" is hardly NPOV regardless of what comments you make. Third, if you thinkt here is an NPOV problem at the bio portal, then bring it up there. However, there isn't one- the vast majority of biologists support and acknowledge evolution and to give any credence to creationism as a scientific idea would be undue weight. Fourth, even your claims contradict themselves because in the portal title you say that it is biblical and that it is scientific - theology and science are not the same things. As for the meaning of consensus, where science articles are concerned, we have well developed understanding of how to handle these matters. Remember, Wikipedia never cares about what is true, it cares about what is Verifiable. JoshuaZ 03:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Also, I'm curious as to what directly on the bio page you think is so POV. At present there seems to be little evolution on the page. Did you have a specific sentence in mind? JoshuaZ 03:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
It's hard NOT to figure out what is so POV.. Just look at the Major fields in Biology... don't you read the Tree of Life and numerous references to evolutionary biology? And take a look at the millions of evolutionist references in all of those themes. --Arturo #7 03:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand, so now referencing evolution is POV? Do you think those aren't major areas of biology? Are you arguing that there are not thousands of researchers in those areas? I would think that even most diehard creationists would agree that these are major areas of biology. They might think that the conventional understanding of those areas is wrong, or they might think that the entire basis for those areas is flawed, but they would agree that those are major areas. Am I missing something here? (And keep in mind that even if it were POV, my above other comments still apply, especially WP:POINT) JoshuaZ 03:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
They refer as if they were essential and factual fields of biology. And oh I'm sorry, they're not. They're everything but a fact. Anyway I'm not interested in that portal, I'm developing this one as a true-false issue, not to counter any other wikiproject (a.k.a. Wikipedia:Wikiproject Evolutionary biology and its senseless references (nothing in biology makes sense if not under the light of evolution). Thanks for NPOVing the intro. --Arturo #7 03:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I didn't touch the intro, someone else did. I also don't know what you mean as a true-false issue, but I can't reiterate more, that Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. Also as I've attempted to explain before, Wikiprojects and portals are different and have very different rules applying to them. Additionally, I don't see anywhere the words "essential" and "factual" were used there. JoshuaZ 03:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
(reduce indent) It seems to me that Arturo is really trying to create what should be a blog or private web page, not a WikiPortal. In addition, the selection of categories seems to be clearly POV driven, rather than following any logical rationale. For example, I'm at a loss as to how "Jesus" plays a part -- that seems to be a bit outside the issue. I'll need to look over the portal page further to see if any other clearly POV-driven cats/subjects/etc., play a part. •Jim62sch• 09:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Jesus will be used to show creationism-christianiy incompatibility. Thanks Arturo #7 16:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Er what? Your saying that Jesus shows that creationism and christianity are incompatible? I know a few people who think that, but given your earlier comments that seems a bit odd coming from you. Incidentally, you may want to be aware that a Wikiproject and a portal are very different- projects are behind the scenes for organizational purposes, not encyclopedic in themselves. Thus, projects should not be listed in "related portals" JoshuaZ 16:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
This is my first portal, and I'm working on the scheme of Biology Portal for it. I'm sure I'll make mistakes, like listing projects in related portals or putting a NPOV-violating intro, but it'd be smarter to correct these mistakes instead. And as a matter of fact, if you claim that this portal has a NPOV violation, tell me WHERE and I'll correct it. Just look at the numerous references to anti-creationism stuff, like evolution, continental drift and the Big Bang theory Arturo #7 16:45, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Er, I'd be highly surprised if the bio portal had anything about the Big Bang (that's physics and cosmology, not bio and has nothing to do with biological evolution)- a glance through confirms that there isn't anything there. At present your portal seems mainly NPOV, if any specific issues come up, I will be happy to point them out. (I also took the liberty of reincluding the project list and labeling them as projects rather than portals which should deal with that). JoshuaZ 16:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Lol, I refered to the anti-creationism references found in the Creationism Portal. Thanks for moving the project list! Arturo #7 16:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Ah, that makes much more sense. JoshuaZ 16:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey dude, the "feat" lists can be edited for changing once a while or they have to be edited maunaully every day? Arturo #7 16:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you are reffering to. Could you give a link? JoshuaZ 17:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Creationism's selected picture. I can't stand how to set a list of featured pictures for them to change daily. Is it possible? --Arturo #7 17:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not aware of a way to do so. For most portals that I keep track of they change it manually, and only once every few days or weeks. Only the very large portals with a lot of contributors change things daily. If you want a possible way of doing it I would ask on Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). JoshuaZ 19:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


Mystery Stone[edit]

Good news, we were given permission to use the images! I've put them back up, but I'm thinking of adding a different one for the second one. Have you seen the Historical Society's picture of the back of the stone? I think it's a better picture of the symbols we are describing in the article, so I may upload it later today.--TurabianNights 18:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, thanks so much! Currently I'm trying to re-edit the Noah's vineyard article as it was created when I was almost going to sleep so it lacked of any encyclopedic content at all, so that's why I erased it. I'll re-edit it and perhaps I'll look for more OOParts like that. Seems like a great topic for debate. Arturo #7 18:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
While I've got you on the line here, could we standardize OOPArts? I see them listed alternately as OOPArts and OOParts - I believe the former is the more correct, since "Art" is a separate word. As it is now, it looks like we're talking about "Out Of Parts" instead of "Out Of Place Art's." Thanks--TurabianNights 18:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Also, I'm not sure Noah's Vineyard is an OOPArt, judging from what I've dug up about it. There's so little material on it, and most of it from Wyatt himself, don't you think it would do better as a section on the Wyatt page than a little stub in its own right?--TurabianNights 18:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I've thought something else about it. On Wyatt's entry it already lists his claimed discoveries, so we could take a deep look at them and create an entry like Ron Wyatt's alleged discoveries for a general detailed view for all of them (ranging from Noah's Ark, the Ark of the Covenant and the Exodus.Arturo #7 18:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Is there enough literature on that not written by Wyatt? I agree that could be very interesting.--TurabianNights 18:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... on Noah's Ark I've seen a lot of TV shows related to it, specially on the History Channel, and some about Wyatt's findings about the Exodus on a few creationists sites. I'll check them out on Google.Arturo #7 18:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Just did a little Googling myself - don't know how reliable tentmaker.org is, but they've sure got Wyatt's number! Also, [[3]]. Work it up and we'll see how it goes - there is already some analysis of Wyatt's findings on the Wyatt page, and we wouldn't want things to get too redundant.--TurabianNights 18:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
The more I read the current Ron Wyatt article, actually, the less I feel we need a separate page analysing his finds - what if instead we were to put info about Ron Wyatt onto the pages in question - Searches for Noah's Ark, Mt. Sinai, Sodom and Gomorrah etc. etc.? They'd probably be more apropos there.--TurabianNights 19:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Check this out: Ron Wyatt's alleged discoveries. I'm currently working on it, but I'll go out to my beach house for a few days (short vacation here in Chile =D) and I'll edit it later on next tuesday or wednesday. Check it out and tell me what you think about it. I'll later add a further research on each one of the alleged discoveries. Arturo #7 19:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:VFD[edit]

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category:creationists - {{test3}} msg[edit]

Straight {{test3}} message for making edits clearly not meeting WP:V, WP:RS:

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. — Dunc| 21:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

While I'm not sure Dunc should have given the above vandalism warning, I have also reverted your edition of the cat to a number of articles. For most of the people you added it for I'm not even sure the term makes sense in their time periods, and given that it wasnt a major issue for almost any of them it is at minimum over-categorizing. JoshuaZ 21:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
U r just parroting ur evolution ideas!!! C'mon who's a NPVOV admin here??? They WERE creationists, just READ their works =S. This "encyclopaedia" makes no sense with that POV thing u do...... Arturo #7 21:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh calm down. Labeling most of these people creationists is akin to labeling Fibonacci or Moses as geocentrists. I have not however, reverted you in four recent cases: William Thomson, 1st Baron Kelvin, James Young Simpson, Gregor Mendel and Carolus Linnaeus since creationism is relevant to them and some of them were more later time period where creationism was a distinct view in contrast to other viewpoints. However, I strongly suggest that you go to individual talk pages for each article you wish to put the cat on and discuss it there rather than going through en mass. JoshuaZ 21:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I've also asked the uninvolved admin Slimvirgin to take a look at this conversation when she has a minute. Hopefully that will satisfy your desire for an uninvolved admin (although since this has nothing to do with admin related activities it isn't clear to me why you would want one anyways). JoshuaZ 21:23, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I've also removed it from Rudolf Virchow because unless I'm mistaken he actually was not a creationist. This is why you should go through them individually. JoshuaZ 21:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
OMG.....I'm NOT talking about being involved. I talk about a NEUTRAL point of view. Saint Isaac Newton WAS a creationist, like it or not. And do u think that if all past creationists were alive 2day they'd believe in evolution? Oh, assh*le.. B disappointed... Evolution and old-earth thought are PRETTY old. Democritus, for example, was an old earth creationist. And even post-darwin .scientists didn't back up evolution, like Lord Kelvin, Louis Agassiz, James Glaisher, James Joule, Louis Pasteur, Gregor Mendel, John Ambrose Fleming and MANY more. Even I'd dare to say that NO well-known scientist has ever supported evolution, perhaps Albert Einstein. Arturo #7 21:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Again, calm down. Pasteur wasn't (hence I just removed him) see [4]. Also, I think your defintion of well known scientisit is a bit small. And you seem to be confusing anti-evolution or skeptical of natural selection or favoring guided evolution etc. with creationism. As for other well known scientists, it isn't that relevant, but oh Sagan and Hawkins come to mine. Or Gould. Or about 10 others. But I have dinner now. In the meantime, please stop posting the category everywhere. And be mindful of WP:3RR. JoshuaZ 21:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh no, Pasteur was NOT a creationist according to who? A EVOLUTIONIST SITE? lol... you are so lame. do u no what a well-known scientist is someone who has made science greater. Galileo's telescope. Saint Isaac Newton's gravity. Pasteur's pasteurization.. what has Gould done 4 science except for promovin a THEORY? (evolution is just a theory, unluckily 4 u it hasn't been proven right EVER) Arturo #7 21:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
And researching again, guess what..... SAINT LOUIS PASTEUR was a creationist! :) Pasteur’s works on abiogenesis should have dealt the death blow to the idea of spontaneous generation. But spontaneous generation is an essential part of the theory of evolution. Despite all the efforts of evolutionary scientists, not one observable case of spontaneous generation has ever been found. Pasteur’s findings conflicted with the idea of spontaneous generation (as do all scientific results since). Consequently, Louis Pasteur was a strong opponent of Darwin’s theory. And keep on trying! The origin of the universe is a dicotomy: was or not created by God? That leads 2 3 types of answers, the yes, the no and the dunno. The yes stands for young earth creationism, the no for naturalist evolution and the dunno for theistic evolution. Saint Louis Pasteur couldn't have supported any form of evolution, haven't u heard of HIS Law of Biogenesis? Keep on trying evo-loser. Arturo #7 21:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
There are many problems with what you've put above. First, abiogenesis and evolution are distinct issues. Evolution only cares about what happened once there was life, not how it got here. As far as evolution cares, life could have been made by God, aliens, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Invisible Pink Unicorn, Zeus, Krishna. Second, I don't know why you insist on this odd defintion of a "well-known scientist" since well-known generally means known by many (and on a related note, all scientists have "made science greater" that's what they do). Gould wrote many scientific papers and made extensive research and contributions in a variert of fields, so by your defintion he would be well-known. Third, in any case, the well-knownish issue is irrelevant; the issue is whether each of these articles should be marked as creationist. Fourth, spontaneous generation and abiogenesis are not the same thing at all. Nor for that matter does anyone claim that abiogenesis is currently ongoing on earth (one reason so many people want to send probes to Europa is because it might be occuring there) I suggest you read up on them and try to learn how they are different. Fifth, as to your claim that "hasn't been proven right EVER"- science doesn't care about proof for anything. Proof is for alcohol and math. At best science can give overwhelming evidence for a claim. Now assuming you mean no prediction of evolution has ever been found to be correct. I think the many pharmacologists and other doctors who use evolution to help model predict and test drugs would be a bit surprised by that claim to name just one example area. Sixth, if you actually read the relevant page I put above instead of dismissing it as a "EVOLUTIONIST SITE" you might notice that it gives a quote that makes it pretty clear that he wasn't a creationist by most definitions. Seventh, your attempted trichotomy (not a dichotomy since there are three options) is highly flawed. Among other problems with it, it ignores the existence of Old earth creationism and ignores the fact that theistic evolution is not as you make it somehow associated with agnosticism but is in fact a form of theism. I'm also puzzled as to why you feel a need to put the word "saint" in front of Pasteur and Newton's names. I'm not aware of any religion in which they have been canonized. Finally, regarding "Keep on trying evo-loser" I suggest you read WP:NPA. And to just rehash the primary point, none of this is relevant as to whether in individual articles the cats should be there or not. JoshuaZ 23:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Unfolding astonishing ignorance once again, how surprising? You claim evolution and abiogenesis are not the same thing. Ok, they're not, but haven't u heard of naturalist evolution?? It claims that life came out of nowhere, just like LeeLee Sobieski's career. And perhaps NO evolution model has ever been able to answer where did life come from. Life just doesn't pop out of inorganic matter, it hasn't happened and it won't ever. Second, u think Gould is even a "respected" scientist? lmao.. "well-known" scientists are people who have done something USEFUL. Did Louis Pasteur just write a paper? Absolutely not. He created pasteurization, the germ theory and he's the father of microbiology. Is Gould father of something else than his evolutionary ideas and marxism? not at all. Are u comparing Sagan and Hawkins with Saint Isaac Newton, Saint Johann Kepler, Saint Athanasius Kircher, Saint Francis Bacon, Blaise Pascal, Nicolas Steno, Galileo????????? You must be the king of shit mountain then. They had more science in their little finger than in Gould's white fat ass. Third, trust me, I'm not interested in trying to find "popping-out" forms on life in Io, Europa or whatever. Life is on earth and there's no doubt about it. Are there any insects living in the Moon? Or kittens in Mars? Not at all. Fifth, unproven theories are anything but science. Flat earth is a theory and is definitely not science. And, oh little disappointing, I wouldn't be surprised if pharmacologists developed something as it has NOTHING to do with the origin of universe. Maybe speciation in microbes but what does it have to do with evolution?. Sixth, I read it. I've read the entire site, and trust me, it's bullshit. Most of their claims make no scientifical sense. I wouldn't be surprised if that quote was invented by them. Seventh, do you know what a dichothomy is? Two based answers. Theistic evolution is not an answer, it's just a mix of both. Theistic evolution is just trying to believe in God but with evolution and go to hell in peace. Do you think OECs truly believe in God? I wouldn't be surprised if most of them are leftists. It is a form of theism, so what?? Evolution is a religion itself. The origin of the universe is a question that can only be answered by religions, like christianity and evolution. And eighth, canonization is stuff of the Roman Catholic church and I'm definitely not catholic. I'm a christian and I believe in the literal understanding of the Bible, and the Bible says that every believer is a saint. It makes more sense to me that true believers like Isaac Newton and Johann Kepler to be called saint, instead of John Paul II, for example. Arturo #7 19:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
This is going to most likely be my last reply on the matter since Wikipedia is not for debating but for constructing encyclopedia articles and this seems to be far off the original point. First, by "naturalistic evolution" you seem to mean philosophical naturalism which has little or no bearing on evolutin. And again, evolution doesn't say life came from nowhere, it just doesn't care. Where life came from is a question for biochemistry not biology. To use an analogy, if you ask me how I made some potato dish, and I give you all the steps starting with buying the potato at the store you don't reject my instructions and recipe because I don't know how the potato got to the store. It simply isn't relevant to the information I am trying to impart to you. I'm still puzzled by your defintion of "well-known." This may be a linguistic issue (I don't know what your native language is) but in English well-known simply means known by many. Your insistence that it has something to do with their work having applications is unique to you. In any event, as to the people you have mentioned, I think it would be hard to find much in the way of practical applications by Kepler or Galileo. I'm also puzzled by your claim that "more science in their little finger than in Gould's white fat ass" in that I don't know how you intend to measure levels of science (and to the sentence before that please mind the personal attacks). As to your not being interested in abiogenesis on other planets, you interest or lack thereof isn't relevant, and the idea that insects on the moon or kittens on mars would somehow be expected indicates a deep misunderstanding of evolutionary theory. Among other problems with that comment, the same thing would evolve twice with probability 0 and given how different the Martian and lunar environments are from earth's one would expect any life on them (if there were(there certainly isn't on the Moon)) to be radically different from life on earth (at minimum, there is no reason to expect chitin to evolve on multiple planets).
As to your fifth point, if you think "proof" has anything to do with science and continue to insist that "unproven theory" is somehow a bad thing that makes something not science, I strongly suggest you read a book on the philosophy of science or at least the intro chapter of most college science textbooks. As to the pharmacology point- perhaps I wasn't clear enough. A large amount of pharmacology research and related research using the evolutionary links between species to predict what species are good for modeling what (for example predicting that mice are good for modeling the human immune system). As to your related point about the origin of the universe- I don't know how many times I need to repeat this, evolution isn't about that, or about abiogenesis or much else. Please read evolution to get some idea what it is about. For all evolution cares the universe could have been created by God or Vishnu or could have been always around. It doesn't matter at all.
Sixth- calling a site "bullshit" does not in anyway actually refute any point, and you'll forgive me if given your track record I don't immediately decide to trust your view of what constitutes bullshit.
Seventh- as to the defintion of "dichotomy" it might help if you checked a dictionary. A dichotomy is two mutually contradictory possibilities. By defintion, a dichotomy cannot be a continuum, there is no middle ground. As to your claim that "Theistic evolution is just trying to believe in God but with evolution and go to hell in peace." and related claims, you may want to consider that you don't have a personal monopoly on faith nor on interpreting the Bible nor on anything else. I am shocked and appalled that anyone would have the arrogance to decide who goes to hell and who doesn't. Do you think on the final judgement you will be sitting at Jesus's right hand and telling him whether people should go to hell or not based on how old they thought the earth was? "Sorry, I know you have faith in me and accepted me as your lord and Savior and my blood washed away all your sins, but Arturo here says you thought the world was too old so you are going into the fire reserved for the devil and his angels"? Do you really think God is going to damn people based on believing how old the world is? Your comment about leftists is almost as appalling- the notion that somehow modern political alignments have something to do with whether people are good or evil or saved or lost or whatever is off the wall. And what for that matter do you even mean by "leftist"? After all, in most countries today it is the right that is in favor of capital punishment, and yet Jesus said "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." I could go on for hours, the point is that neither the "left" nor the "right" in any country have an agenda which has much to do with what Jesus preached. As to your insistence that evolution is a religion, again evolution doesn't care about the origin of the universe and such. And even if it, would that magically make it a religion? Do you see evolutionist churches or temples? Are there evolutionist doctrines? Do they call anathema on Lamarck?
Finally, as to asserting that Newton and Kepler were "true believers"- Newton had is own peculiar beliefs which rejected the Trinity and Kepler had similarly odd beliefs, not exactly true believers. It might help if you would do a little research before you claimed everyone as your own. JoshuaZ 21:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

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Qualified support[edit]

I totally disagree with creationism, but I agree it would be useful to the debate to have this so called list of evidence. And I will not "vandalise" it by putting in al the obvious refutations. Go ahead and bud your list. But, to me it has nothing to do with science, it has everything to do with religion. You cannot deny others the right to categorise your articel as they feel appropraite. I'll leave your science-stub tag there if you'll leave my reli-stub there.

Otherwise, game on for an all out war to destroy your article, as being totally and obviously not NPOV. Your choice!--Richardb43 12:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

  • And do you think Evidence for evolution is a NPOV article?? You gotta be nuts. And you do know there are no refutations, as a matter of fact your theory is so leaky, most likely all theories in crisis.Arturo #7 12:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
  • No idea, I've never read the page. Perhaps if you refered to that page in your page it would be useful and informative. Obviously though, both are going to be POV. But hey, I said I support your right to have a view point, even though I strongly disagree with it. But I am interested to be more informed about what I "blindly" disagree with. So please, continue to build the page, to better inform us all.--Richardb43 12:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

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Confine yourself to the encyclopedic summation of the evidence, not drift into pseudo-debate[edit]

Please do not have a debate in this evidence of creation page. Even more so, do not pretend to have a debate, where you put up what you suggest are evolutionists' (weak) arguments, and then yourself counter them. To do so will only invite a lot of counter debate from evolutionists.

The page will be more useful just as a basic list of your claims of the Evidence for Creation, or, as you seem to be doing, putting up evidence againt evolution (which is not really the same thing at all, but we can let that pass)

Let's try to at least to keep it civilised.--Richardb43 12:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Per Richard, the article seemed like a soapbox. That is inexcusable even for talk pages, but for articles it represents a whole new level of nerve. I've accordingly made some major changes and have described my reasons in the talk page.UberCryxic 06:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

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Creationist Userbox[edit]

I've been looking for a Creationist userbox, I noticed you would like one too. I created one:

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. I hope it helps.

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From the Editor[edit]

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This month marks the observation of Pentecost, one of the most important feast of the Christian liturgical year. It is our hope here that all of you, regardless of your religious affiliation (if any), find that the holiday, and its accompanying activities, an enjoyable and beneficial experience. We also hope that this "Birthday of the Church" is one which gives you the same joy as the birthday of yourself or your loved ones.

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By John Carter

Christianity in other wikis[edit]

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As many of you might now, there are a large number of other Wikimedia Foundation projects, including WikiSource, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, WikiQuote, and others. I certainly believe that Wikibooks and Wikiquote might be among the more directly relevant sister projects. If any of you can think of any particular efforts in these other projects which you think would benefit from more input, please let us know here, so we can help spread the word around.

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Membership report[edit]

The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 331 active members. We would like to welcome User:Sanju87, User:Psalm84, User:Zegron, User:Jargon777, User:Calu2000, User:Gilderien, User:Ronallenus, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

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Church of the month[edit]

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by Berthold Werner
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Vote for the project mascot[edit]

We had last month asked our members to help "bring into the fold" Wikipe-tan as the project's mascot. Voting will take place this month for which image we should adopt at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/Wikipe-tan. Please take a moment to review the images and vote for whichever is your favorite, or, if you so prefer, suggest an additional one.

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DYK[edit]

  • ...that Anna of Kashin, a Russian medieval princess, was twice canonized as a holy protectress of women who suffer the loss of relatives?


Calendar[edit]

Thie coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

Featured content and GA report[edit]

Alec Douglas-Home recently achieved FA status. This picture, in the Church of the Month section, was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.

Wikimedia Foundation report[edit]

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Wikisource currently has many old texts available, most of them in the public domain. This is a potentially very valuable source for several things, including for instance links to Biblical verses, because we know that it will, basically, be around as long as we are.

By user:John Carter with inspiration from History2007

Christian art[edit]

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This section would include a rather large image of a specific work of art, with a link to the most directly relevant article.

Suggestion: Resurrection of Christ, an English 15th century Nottingham alabaster. Groups of painted relief panels were sold via dealers to churches on a budget , who had wood frameworks made to hold them locally. From a huge new donation of images from the Walters Art Museum to Commons, see


By Johnbod

Spotlight[edit]

A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian history. Also, a group specifically devoted to the Mennonites and other Anabaptists is now up and running at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Anabaptist work group. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

I believe[edit]

... in the statements contained in the Nicene Creed. I believe that the Bible is one of the two defining bases for belief. The other is the Sacred tradition, which provides us with means of interpreting the Scriptures, as well as some teachings which have been handed on by God outside of the scriptures. I believe that the Magisterium has been empowered to fill this interpretative function. I believe that clerical celibacy is a rule that should generally be followed. I am a member of the Catholic Church.

By John Carter

Help requests[edit]

Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.



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Ichthus: July 2012[edit]

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July 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 336 active members. We would like to welcome User:Emilymadcat, User:Toa Nidhiki05, User:DonutGuy, and User:RCNesland, Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know what you think of the new departments, and if there are any other suggestions for departments you would like to see. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

Church of the month

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by User:JaGa
Mission Santa Clara de Asis

Vote for the project mascot
We had last month asked our members to help "bring into the fold" Wikipe-tan as the project's mascot. Voting will take place this month for which image we should adopt at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/Wikipe-tan. Please take a moment to review the images and vote for whichever is your favorite, or, if you so prefer, suggest an additional one.

By John Carter

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-July through mid-September) includes days dedicated to the honor of Mary Magdalene, James, son of Zebedee, Ignatius Loyola, Saint Dominic, Joseph of Arimathea, and the Transfiguration of Jesus.

Featured content and GA report
Grade I listed churches in Cheshire was recently promoted to Featured List status. This picture was recently promoted to Featured Picture status. Bartolome de las Casas and Edmund the Martyr were promoted to GA level this past month. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.


Wikimedia Foundation report

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Wikibooks welcomes the development of textbooks of all kinds, children's books, recipes, and other material. It currently has just under 2500 books, including several Wikijunior books for the 12 and under population. There is, at present, not even a book on Christianity. Anyone interested in helping develop such a textbook is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

Christian art

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The portrait of Sir Thomas More by Hans Holbein the Younger.

By John Carter

Spotlight
A new WikiProject relating directly to Christian history is being developed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian history. Anyone interested in assisting with the development of these groups and topics is more than welcome to do so.

By John Carter

I believe
... in the tradition of Thomas the Apostle, Mar Addai, and Saint Bartholomew. I believe that Jesus had two essences (or natures), human and divine, unmingled, that are everlastingly united in one personality. I am a member of the Assyrian Church of the East.

By John Carter


Help requests
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WikiProject Christianity August 2012 newsletter[edit]

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August 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 341 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:David_FLXD, User:Alexsbecker, User:Penguin 236, User:Gugi001, User:John D. Rockerduck, and User:Margaret9mary. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By John Carter


Church of the month

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by User:Diliff
Frauenkirche (Church of Our Blessed Lady) in Munich, taken from the tower of St. Peter's Church


Contest of the month
We currently have a remarkable lack of Wikipedia:Wikipedia-Books. Right now, Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. As biographies are often a bit easier, this month we are choosing two biographies: Karl Behm, which has yet to be started, and the currently Stub-class article Nerses IV the Gracious. A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.


Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-August through mid-September) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Bartholomew the Apostle, Nativity of Mary, and the Exaltation of the Cross.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, William de Chesney (sheriff), Knights of Columbus, and Angelus Silesius were promoted to GA level. Our thanks and congratulations to all those involved.


Wikimedia Foundation report

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Wikinews is our sister site for developing news stories. Several events relating to Christianity, like the installation of bishops for instance, do not necessarily merit extensive coverage in wikipedia encyclopedic articles, but can and easily could be covered at greater length in a news article format. Given the number of significant news events that relate to religion, including claims of miracles, assignment of bishops and other religious leaders, church conferences, and other events, this site provides an excellent opportunity to provide in-depth coverage of current events at greater length than wikipedia.


Christian art

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Christ Crucified by Diego Velazquez.


Spotlight

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One of our newer editors, User:David_FLXD, has recently gone through much of our content related to Methodism and assessed it. We are very grateful for his efforts, and that of all the editors who have had a role in developing that content. We have every reason to believe that this will make it significantly easier for the Methodism work group to create and develop content relevant to Methodism. To help that along, we certainly encourage everyone to do what they can to help David and the other Methodism editors to bring the content relevant to their tradition to the highest possible level of quality.


I believe
... in the Holy Trinity, the sacraments of Baptism and Holy Communion, the Arminian conception of free will through God's prevenient grace, and the regular renewal of the individual's covenant with God. I am a Methodist.



Help requests
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WikiProject Christianity September 2012 newsletter[edit]

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September 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 344 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Floating Boat, User:Dewey420, and User:Jpacobb. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. We have recently added some new sections to the newsletter. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By John Carter


Church of the month

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by User:Diliff
The Chapel of Keble College, Oxford


Contest of the month
We currently have a remarkable lack of Wikipedia:Wikipedia-Books. Right now, Category:Wikipedia books on Christianity contains only 12 books. We certainly could have at least one book on each major grouping within Christianity. One of the challenges for this month, then, is working to put together books on relevant topics. For this month, one contest is for editors to assemble the basic Wikipedia books for each of the main topics of the extant related projects. When finished, they should their creation of the books at the main Christianity noticeboard, and at the end of the month the project will award barnstars to those who have made a significant efforts in developing this underdeveloped content.

Also this month, we are going to have have a challenge to create and improve some of our more important missing or low-quality articles. Last month's challenge articles were Karl Beth and Nerses IV the Gracious. Both articles are currently candidates for the DYK section of the main page. This month's challenge articles are the Stub-class article James Hastings and the not yet started Rudolf Sohm, A barnstar will be awarded to any editor who can get these articles up to DYK quality level and ultimately selected for the DYK section of the main page.


Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-September through mid-October) includes feasts dedicated to the honor of the Martyrs of Korea, Saint Matthew, Vincent de Paul, Michaelmas, Saint Jerome, Theresa of Lisieux, the Feast of the Guardian Angels, Francis of Assisi, Our Lady of the Rosary, and Teresa of Avila.

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Albertus Soegijapranata, and Reginald Heber were promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Greater Manchester was promoted to Featured List, and Jackie Hudson, Joyce Kilmer, Divine command theory, Bosa of York and Argument from morality were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Church of Saint Benoit, Istanbul, All Saints Church, Hollingbourne, Neustädter Kirche, Hannover, St Mary's Church, Kirkby Lonsdale, Albert Ndongmo, If We Are the Body, List of places of worship in Tonbridge and Malling, Kulubnarti church, All Saints Church, Ulcombe, Val-Saint-Lambert Abbey, Igny Abbey, Church of the Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel, Brăila, Places of Worship Registration Act 1855, Collegiate Church of San Gimignano, and St Matthew's Church, Burnley. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Wikimedia Foundation report

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As some of you may have seen, the Simple English Wikipedia has been experiencing some difficulties lately. This particular entity could be of great value to several individuals who are trying to learn English. As some of you who do speak foreign languages know, one of the most easily available, and, in general, useful learning aids for people is a text they know already, which allows them to focus on the specific words of the new language. Various recorded readings and translations of the Bible are among the best examples of this. Any efforts to try to enhance this vital means of informing a large segment of our readership is more than welcome. People interested in helping develop it are encouraged to leave a note regarding their specific articles of interest at the Christianity noticeboard. It would be wonderful if we could report some significant contributions to this sister site next month. And, of course, if we do have something to report, those involved would receive our greatest thanks.

Christian art

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The Guardian Angel by Pietro da Cortona.


Spotlight

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WikiProject Calvinism is one of our more important subprojects. It is specifically devoted to developing content relating to the Calvinist tradition, and the primary point for development of content relating to the Pilgrims, Presbyterians, Reformed churches, Congregational church, Reformed Baptists, and Low church. We definitely encourage everyone to do what they can to help this project develop the content relating to this extremely important Christian tradition.


I believe
... that human nature is insufficient for salvation, and the grace of God is required to do so. I believe that God has preordained who will and will not achieve salvation. I believe that Jesus's atonement was sufficient for the purposes for which it was done. I believe that God's grace is of such power that it can overcome any person's resistance. I believe that those whom God has chosen for salvation will, by the undeniable power of God, persevere in God's grace. I am a Calvinist.



Help requests
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WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter[edit]

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September 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 347 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Dplcrnj, User:Danmuz, User:Zigzig20s, and User:Jasonasosa. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By John Carter


Church of the month

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by User:Taxiarchos228, recently promoted to Featured Image
St. Paul's Church, Basel


Contest of the month
For the upcoming month, the contest will be to develop content related to the Christmas season, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Contest of the month - Advent/Christmas content.

One of last month's challenge articles, Rudolf Sohm, has been substantially developed by User:Jack1956 and User:StAnselm. Our deepest thanks to both of them!!

Calendar
Thie coming month (mid-October through mid-November) includes All Saints' Day and All Souls' Day and major commemorations dedicated to the honor of the Ignatius of Antioch, Luke the Evangelist, Simon the Canaanite, Saint Jude, the dedication of the Lateran Basilica, the beginning of the Nativity Fast, James of Jerusalem, Reformation Day, and others.


Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Augustinian theodicy by User:ItsZippy was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Merseyside by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The images in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. John Wheelwright by User:Sarnold17, Christmas Party (The Office) by User:Gen. Quon and If We Are the Body by User:Toa Nidhiki05, were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Cathedral of Saint Demetrius, Craiova, by User:Biruitorul, Nerses IV the Gracious by User:John Carter, Church of St Candida and Holy Cross by User:BarretB, St Laurence's Church, Morland by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Mary's Church, Longfleet by User:Bermicourt, Chor von St. Bonifatius by User:Gerda Arendt, St Andrew's Church, Penrith by User:Peter I. Vardy, Holy Rosary Cathedral (Vancouver) by User:Bloom6132, Sacred Heart Cathedral (Kamloops) by User:Bloom6132, St Columba's Church, Warcop by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Oswald's Church, Ravenstonedale by User:Peter I. Vardy, and W. E. Biederwolf by User:John Foxe. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

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Portrait of John Henry Newman by Sir John Everett Millais.
This image was promoted this past month to FM by the work of User:Spongie555. Thank you, Spongie!

Spotlight

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WikiProject Holidays/Christmas task force is the group whose purpose is to help develop the content related to the Christmas season, including Advent, New Year's, and related holidays. As many of us know, in several parts of the world, including the United States, the Christmas season is not only the time of one of the greatest holidays of the Christian liturgical year, but it is also the "make or break" time for many retailers, whose profitability for the year often depends on their success in this time of the giving of sometimes significantly expensive gifts. In other parts of the world, the winter solstice period and sometimes specifically Christmas itself means something that might surprise many Christians, like the Christmas in Japan, where Christmas is one of the times hotels receive the greatest number of, often unmarried, couples staying there for the night. The solstice season is also significant to several other religions. Many of these days are also legal holidays in several places. In Belarus, for instance, both the Western and Eastern Christmas commemorations are legal holidays. We would certainly welcome the members of this project to donate some of their time and talents in the upcoming months to improving this significant content.



Help requests
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WikiProject Christianity October 2012 newsletter[edit]

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November 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 349 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, User:Hayayika and User:Pikachu Bros.. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By John Carter


Church of the month

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Saint-Augustin, Paris by User:Saffron Blaze

Recently promoted to Featured Image. Great work!


Contest of the month
For the upcoming month, the contest will continue with the Christmas theme, including Advent and other related topics. Please feel free to see and take part in discussion at the Christianity noticeboard.


Calendar
This coming month (mid-November through mid-December) includes the Advent season. Other major feasts are those of Margaret of Scotland, Matthew the Evangelist, Hilda of Whitby, Elizabeth of Hungary, Edmund the Martyr, the Presentation of Mary, Saint Cecilia, Clement of Rome, Catherine of Alexandria, Andrew the Apostle, Francis Xavier, Saint Barbara, John Damascene, Nicholas of Myra, Saint Ambrose of Milan, Feast of the Immaculate Conception, Our Lady of Guadalupe, Lucy of Syracuse, and others.


Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Crucifixion and Last Judgement diptych by, among others, User:Truthkeeper88, User:Ceoil, and User:Kafka Liz and Mitt Romney by User:Wasted Time R were promoted to FA. List of 2000s Christian Songs number ones by User:Toa Nidhiki05 was promoted to Featured List. The two images in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status, as were these two images of Michelangelo's Pieta Michelangelo's Pieta 5450 cropncleaned edit.jpg and of Giovanni Bellini's Saint Francis in the Desert Giovanni Bellini - Saint Francis in the Desert - Google Art Project.jpg. Derek Webb by User: Pepsi2786 and others, and Scipione Piattoli by User:Piotrus were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include Archdiocese of Râmnic, by User:Biruitorul, Diocese of Caransebeş by User:Biruitorul, Wythburn Church by User:Peter I. Vardy, St. Gumbertus, Ansbach by User:Gerda Arendt, User:Dr. Blofeld, and User:Nvvchar collectively, St. Johannis, Ansbach by User:Gerda Arendt, User:Dr. Blofeld, and User:Nvvchar collectively, Nikollë Bojaxhiu by User:ZjarriRrethues, All Saints Church, Lydd by User:Dr. Blofeld, User:Rosiestep, User:Gilderien, and User:Ipigott collectively, St Mary's Church, Acton Burnell by User:Peter I. Vardy, St Eata's Church, Atcham by User:Peter I. Vardy, Nativity of St. John the Baptist Church, Piatra Neamț by User:Biruitorul, Anna Schäffer by User:Shii, List of Archbishops of Vancouver by User: Bloom6132, James Francis Carney by User:Bloom6132, St Luke's Church, Chelsea by User:PKM and User:Johnbod, Gregory Orologas by User:Alexikoua, Ambrosios Pleianthidis by User:Alexikoua, and St Giles' Church, Barrow, by User:Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

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Three scenes of the legend of the Miraculous Sacrament, in which communion wafers were reported to bleed after being stabbed, in the St. Michael and St. Gudula Cathedral, Brussels by Jean-Baptiste Capronnier.
This image was promoted this past month to FM by the work of User:Alvesgaspar. Thank you, Alvesgaspar!

Spotlight

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The core topics work group is the group whose specific purpose is to help identify and develop those articles which are of greatest importance to an overall understanding of the broad subject of Christianity, based on what is included in the core topics list. These articles include some of specific churches and individuals, history, philosophical and theological matters, and more. We have had some recent discussion regarding which articles should be included in this list, and it probably makes sense to revisit the selections, and try to figure out how best to work to make them high quality articles. Discussion is beginning at WT:X regarding these matters, and all input is welcome.



Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - December 2012[edit]

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December 2012

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 350 active members. We would like to welcome our newest member, User:Harishrawat11. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By John Carter


Church of the month

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This image of The Baptistry of Saint John in Pisa by User:NotFromUtrecht

was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!


Contest of the month
As I imagine many of our editors will be editing at a greatly reduced level for the next few weeks, what with the Christmas and New Year's holidays coming, there is no specific content-related contest this month. The contest, if anything, is to make the most of the season, in whatever way, if any, you deem appropriate.


Calendar
This coming month (mid-December through mid-January) includes the Advent season, and one of the two greatest holidays of the Christian year, Christmas. Other major feasts in the next month include those of the Feast of the Epiphany, Baptism of the Lord, Saint Stephen, Thomas the Apostle, Holy Innocents, John the Evangelist, Gregory of Nazianzus, Basil the Great, Saint Genevieve, Elizabeth Ann Seton, and Saint Sava.


Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, Anne Hutchinson nominated by User:Sarnold17 was promoted to FA. Grade I listed churches in Lancashire by User:Peter I. Vardy was promoted to Featured List. The image in the Church of the Month and Christian art sections of this newsletter were promoted to Featured Picture status. Come to the Well by User:Toa Nidhiki05 and others, and Dwight Christmas by User:Gen. Quon and others were promoted to GA level. DYKs featured this past month include King's Chapel, Gibraltar, by User:Prioryman, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Tingsted Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, St. Mary's Church (Albany, New York) by User:Daniel Case, Stubbekøbing Church by User:Ipigott and User:Rosiestep, Notre Dame Cathedral (Phnom Penh) by User:Bloom6132, and St. James' Church, Cardington by User:Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

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The nave of the Parish Church of Urtijëi. This image was created by User:Moroderen. Thank you, Moroderen!

Spotlight

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In the spirit of Christmas, the spotlight for the coming month might actually best be on those people closest to you. We know that a lot of our editors here are associated in some way or another with schools, and many if not most of them are going on rather extended breaks for the holidays. This can give some of us a chance to meet up with old friends, spend time with our families and those close to us, and, in a sense, "recharge" for the new year. So, for all of you who are in some way part of that group, we wish you the very best of holidays. We hope you all return to editing after the holidays with your spirits lifted and with your energies at peak level. There are some small matters in development here as well, and it is our hope that some of them will be ready come the next newsletter. But, until then, we wish you all the happiest and holiest (if appropriate) holidays.


Help requests
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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - January 2013[edit]

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January 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 354 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Alliereborn, Iselilja, Peterkp, and Sosthenes12. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor
Ichthus is one of the ways that the WikiProject Christianity’s Outreach department helps update our members. This newsletter is one of the ways we do try to help people keep up with the project. We would always welcome any input for things to be included in it or additional editors to keep it going. Please let us know if there are changes you would like to see in the format, or if there are any particular things you would like to see included. And if you have anything you would personally like to add, by all means let us know. The talk page of the current issue is probably the best place to post such comments.

With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By John Carter


Church of the month

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This image of Alexander Nevsky Cathedral in Tallinn, Estonia by User:Poco a poco

was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!


Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter




Featured content and GA report
Since the last report, the image in the "Church of the Month" section of this newsletter was promoted to Featured Image status.

Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes, BWV 40 by Gerda Arendt and others, Teuruarii IV by Lemurbaby, KAVEBEAR and others, and Peace on Earth (Casting Crowns album) by Toa Nidhiki05 and others, were all promoted to GA status.

Also this past month, the DYKs on the main page included St James' Church, Cardington by Peter I. Vardy, Bishop's Palace, Kraków by Poeticbent, Kippinge Church by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Trinitatis Church, also by Ipigott and Rosiestep, Steindamm Church by Olessi, St Laurence's Church, Church Stretton by Peter I. Vardy, Monastery of the Holy Trinity, Meteora, by Peter I. Vardy, Sonrise Church, by Aboutmovies, St. Peter's Episcopal Church (Albany, New York), by Daniel Case, All Saints Church, Claverley, by Peter I. Vardy, and Church of the Holy Virgin Mary of Lourdes, by Poeticbent. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

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The Tower of Babel by Pieter Bruegel the Elder
This image was created by User:Dcoetzee. Thank you, Dcoetzee!

Spotlight

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The Spotlight this month turns to the the Syriac Christianity work group. The scope of this project includes the various traditions of Syriac Christianity, including the Assyrian Church of the East, Ancient Church of the East, Church of the East, Syriac Orthodox Church, Chaldean Catholic Church, Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church, Melkite Greek Catholic Church, Syriac Catholic Church, Syro-Malankara Catholic Church, and Saint Thomas Christians. One of these groups, the Assyrian Church of the East, is considered by scholars to have probably been, for several hundred years, the largest Christian grouping in the planet, with its numerous members in Central Asia and Eastern Asia. Numerous texts, traditions, and practices unique to these groups exist, including the Jesus Sutras and the belief of the Assyrian Church of the East that the bread they use in the preparation of their Eucharist uses the same basic yeast as that used in the bread of the Last Supper itself. Sadly, given the linguistic barriers to much of the content relative to these groups, and the comparative lack of notoriety they have in the Western world, much of this content does receive less attenion, and thus less development, than much other content. There is a large amount of extremely valuable historical material here still waiting to be adequately developed by editors with an interest in the topic, and I personally very much hope that we can draw more attention to these topics, and the content related to them.

By John Carter


Calendar
This coming month (mid-January through mid-February) includes The Presentation of Christ in the Temple or Candlemas and the Conversion of Paul. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint Agnes, Saint Francis de Sales, Saints Timothy and Titus, Thomas Aquinas, John Bosco, Saint Agatha, Paul Miki, [{Saint Scholastica]], and Saint Anskar.


Help requests
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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013[edit]

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April 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Thomas Cranmer, Mr.Oglesby, and Sneha Priscilla. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of John Carter, and so I have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and the election of Pope Francis. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.


This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By Gilderien


Church of the month

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This image of the Church of Saint Ildefonso, Portugal by Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!


Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter




Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Grade I listed churches in Cumbria was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to Peter I. Vardy, and the image above of the Church of Saint Ildefonso was promoted to featured picture status.

Martin Luther King, Jr., by Khazar2, was promoted to GA status, as well Third Epistle of John by Cerebellum.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer by Peter I. Vardy; Marion Irvine by Giants2008; Margaret McKenna by Guerillero; Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity by Epeefleche; St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood by Peter I. Vardy; Vester Egesborg Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; Undløse Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St Martin's Church, Næstved by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St. Peter, Syburg by Gerda Arendt and Dr. Blofeld; Østre Porsgrunn Church by Strachkvas; Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) by Nyttend; Dami Mission by Freikorp; Mechanicsburg Baptist Church by Nyttend; Acheiropoietos Monastery, by Proudbolsahye; T. Lawrason Riggs, by Gareth E Kegg; McColley's Chapel, by Mangoe; Oświęcim Chapel, by BurgererSF; Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio), by Nyttend; Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn, by Yakikaki; Old Stone Congregational Church, by Orladyl Heath Chapel, by Peter I. Vardy; St. Joseph's Church, Beijing, by Bloom6132; Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton, by Rodw; and St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) also by Nyttend. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

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Complete recording

Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22, a cantata by the German composer J.S. Bach, was promoted to GA this month and was written by Gerda Arendt. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.

Spotlight

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The Spotlight this month turns to the the Jesus work group. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, Jesus Christ and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include Jesus, Christ, Resurrection of Jesus, and Holy Grail, whereas High-priority articles include Aramaic Language, a former FA, as well as Sermon on the Mount, Lamb of God, and Passion (Christianity). The workgroup has also published two books, covering Christ's final days and the Parables of Jesus. The workgroup has two GAs, Nativity scene, and Jesus in Islam, but unfortunately the flagship article, Jesus was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three WP:1.0 articles, and the WikiWork of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.


By Gilderien


Calendar
This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes Easter Sunday in Western Christianity and both Lazarus Saturday and Palm Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint George, Saint Mark the Evangelist, Saint Stanislaus, James, son of Zebedee, and Benedict the Moor.


Help requests
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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (May 2013)[edit]

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May 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 363 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Pleonic, MJWilliams1998, Iloilo Wanderer, Jkadavoor, Sir Ian and McBenjamin. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


From the Editor

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This month we hear the news that the Bible is to be made into a film after outstanding success of a biblical miniseries on the History Channel, and we have seen the release of Iraqi Pastor Ali Hamzah from his confinement in Iraq.

After last month's spotlight on the Jesus work group, the flagship article, Jesus, was nominated for Good Article status after much work from FutureTrillionaire and History2007, and provisionally passed by the reviewer, although they have requested a second opinion. Our many thanks for the hard work that has gone into restoring this article to a quality piece of work.

This month the second largest denomination of Christianity, the Eastern Orthodox Church, celebrates Easter and the death and resurrection of the Son of God Jesus Christ.

P.S. Please click here to add the new Christianity noticeboard to your watchlist to follow the latest discussions relevant to WikiProject Christianity and subprojects.

By Gilderien


Church of the month

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Wells Cathedral was this month promoted to GA status. Rodw has appealed for any help project members can give to improve this article for a FA nomination.


Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. By John Carter


Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Featured report; Madonna in the Church, by Ceoil, Truthkeeper88, and Johnbod was promoted to Featured Article status. Crucifixion and Last Judgement was promoted to featured picture status, after nomination by Crisco 1492.

Wells Cathedral, by Rodw, Robert of Ghent, by User:Ealdgyth, Christianity in Medieval Scotland, by Sabrebd, and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, also by Sabrebd were promoted to GA status.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included Lectionary 311, by Leszek Jańczuk; Herr Christ, der einig Gotts Sohn, by Gerda Arendt; Whalsay Parish Church, by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Dr. Blofeld; Interpretatio Christiana, by Altenmann; First Congregational Church, Salt Lake City, by Orlady; Church of King Charles the Martyr, Royal Tunbridge Wells, by The C of E; First Church in Albany (Reformed), by Daniel Case; Pope Anastasius II, by AbstractIllusions; Iglesia de Nuestra Señora de la Palma, by Dr. Blofeld, Ipigott, Rosiestep; Colan Church, by Rosiestep, Nvvchar, Ipigott; Notre Dame Cathedral, Papeete, Bloom6132, Church of St. Wenceslaus (New Prague, Minnesota), by Elkman; St. Joseph Catholic Church (San Antonio, Texas), by Gilliam; Doubting Thomas, by Johnbod; Robert of Ghent, by Ealdgyth; and Holy Trinity Church, Holdgate, by Peter I. Vardy. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art

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This depiction of the Crucifixion and Last Judgement was painted by Dutch artist Jan van Eyck and promoted to Featured Picture this month.

Spotlight

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SPOTLIGHT

This month, we turn our attention to the Encyclopedic articles sub-group, which aims to provide "a collection point for lists of articles contained in other reference sources relating to Christianity, which could serve as a basis for developing our own content". Created by John Carter, it is primarily a list of links, red or otherwise, for subjects which have an article in the reference works listed therein. This serves as a very useful list if any project members are "stuck for what to do" and there remains lots of potential for articles developed from this list.

By Gilderien


Calendar
This coming month (end-April through end-May) includes Easter Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Matthias the Apostle, The Venerable Bede, and Empress Helena.


Help requests
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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)[edit]

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June 2013

From the Editor

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Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month

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The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs
The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on...

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THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf

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Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

Did you know...

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  • ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote the initials "S. D. G.", for Soli Deo Gloria, at the beginning and end of all his church compositions to give God credit for the work, and that Handel at times did the same?

Calendar
The coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.


Help requests
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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (July 2013)[edit]

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July 2013

From the Editor

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Welcome to the July 2013 issue of Ichthus. We focus on the chronology of Jesus, as well as looking back at the project content improved over the last month.

WP:X has gained another Featured Article, Gospel of the Ebionites, by Ignocrates. The Gospel of the Ebionites is the name scholars give to an apocryphal gospel that supposedly belonged to a sect known as the Ebionites. It consists of seven short quotations discovered in a heresiology known as the Panarion, written by Epiphanius of Salamis, and its original title remains unknown. The text is a gospel harmony composed in Greek, and is believed to have been written during the middle of the 2nd century.

St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn was promoted to Good Article status, as was two other welsh churches, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, and St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch.

The main page also featured several DYK hooks for articles in our project, namely Bob Fu, List of places of worship in Tandridge (district), Catholic Press, Garendon Abbey, St. John's Episcopal Church (Jersey City, New Jersey), Pargev Martirosyan, Praskvica Monastery, Heather Preceptory, St. Augustin, Coburg, Longleat Priory, St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, Christianization of Moravia, Christianization of Bohemia, Repton Abbey, St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch, Medingen Abbey, Elmhurst Christian Reformed Church, St. James on-the-Lines, and Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch.

Church of the month

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St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery is part of Saint Sophia's Cathedral, Kiev in Ukraine. It is a functioning monastery that dates back to the Middle Ages.

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 367 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Newchildrenofthealmighty, Evenssteven, Kerna96, and FutureTrillionaire. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


Focus on...

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THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

When did Jesus live? When did he die? How do we know? We do, in fact, have excellent information about the time intervals for the life and death of Jesus. As in other people who lived and died in the first century, this gives an approximate date range, but still, give or take 3-4 years and we have pretty good estimates confirmed by a number of really diverse sources, ranging from inscriptions in Delphi to Roman and Jewish sources. The Chronology of Jesus article discusses how a wide variety of Christian, Jewish and Roman sources are used to establish the time-frame for the life and death of Jesus.

And all of his data fits together. For instance, the chronology of Paul had been discussed based on the Book of Acts long ago, then the Delphi Inscription is found in the 20th century in the Temple of Apollo. And guess what.. it confirms it and totally dates his trial in Corinth, which helps reaffirm the date of the crucifixion of Jesus. The same date range is independently estimated from the writings of Josephus on the Baptist's death. And it fits Isaac Newton's astronomical models for the crucifixion date as well as the independent lunar calculations of Humphreys. As that article shows, all these dates just fit together.

From the bookshelf

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Chronos, kairos, Christos: nativity and chronological studies edited by J. Vardaman, E. M. Yamauchi 1989 ISBN 0-931464-50-1

This two volume book (with a very apt title) is gem-filled with scholarly research. Paul Maier's article in the first volume is a classic study on the chronology of Jesus and provides a useful summary of a number of issues.

Did you know...

Calendar
This month (July) contains the feast days of Mary Magdalene, and James, son of Zebedee.



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August 2013 WikiProject Christianity Newsletter[edit]

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August 2013

From the Editor

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Welcome to the August 2013 issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. We focus on the historical Jesus and reflect on the last month.

The project has another featured picture, The ruins of Holyrood Chapel, a digitisation of an oil-on-canvas painting. Our top-importance article, Jesus, has been nominated for Featured Article status, the discussion can be seen here; Knights of Colombus has also been nominated as a FAC.

Ecgbert (bishop) and Church architecture in Scotland have both this month achieved Good Article status.

Our project had several of its articles featured in the main page DYK section, including Hinckley Priory, Little Chapel, St Peter's Church, Ropsley, Chip Ingram, St John the Evangelist's Church, Corby Glen, Great George Street Congregational Church, St Mary's Church, Walton-on-the-Hill and Bunge church.

Our thanks go to all of those who have worked to achieve these article milestones.

Church of the month

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This image, of Maillezais Cathedral and created by Selbymay was this month promoted to featured picture status.

Membership report
We would like to welcome our newest members, Thechristophermorris, Psmidi and Jchthys. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on...

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HISTORICAL JESUS

What was Jesus like? What did he preach? Did he claim to be the Messiah? Did he predict an apocalypse? What can we know about him outside a religious context? The Historical Jesus article discusses what can be known about Jesus with various degrees of probability. While scholars agree on the over all flow and outline of Jesus' life (his baptism by John, debated Jewish authorities, healings, and his crucifixion by Pilate) they have built various and diverging portraits of the rest of his life. These range from minimalist portraits that accept very little of the gospel accounts to maximalists who accept most of the accounts as historical.

The portraits of Jesus have at times been unwitting reflections of the researchers themselves, and Crossan once quipped that some authors "do autobiography and call it biography". However, the study of historical Jesus has made one thing clear: there is so much to learn about Jesus that the more one looks, the more there is to discover.

From the bookshelf

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Jesus of Nazareth: An Independent Historian's Account of His Life and Teaching by Maurice Casey 2010 ISBN 0-567-64517-7

In this book Maurice Casey not only draws on his special expertise in the Aramaic traditions and the Q source, but provides a comprehensive review of the various approaches to the historical Jesus.

Did you know...

Calendar
This month we celebrate the feasts of St Lawrence, St Bernard, and St Augustine.



Help requests
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