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Welcome to the Wikipedia[edit]

Welcome to the Wikipedia community, Aspro! And thanks for weighing in on the MMR page...

Here are some of the perfunctory useful tips (mostly borrowed from ClockworkSoul), to speed your indoctrination into the Wikipedia experience:

And some odds and ends:

You can sign your name on any page by typing 4 tildes: ~~~~.

Since you attended to the perspective offered by Andrew Wakefield, perhaps you would be interested in contributing to the resolution of the editing conflicts there?

Best of luck, Aspro, and have fun! Ombudsman 18:31, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No faux pas[edit]

A google search reveals that triple jab seems to exist as a phrase only in the UK. Which would make sense, since you seem to be from there. I did do a google search before I deleted it and because the first page was mostly anti-vaccination sites like whale.to, felt that it was most likely NPOV like much of the vaccination articles, unfortunately. If it goes back in, it should mention that it is only called that in Britain. As for what I say to a poor, unintelligent housewife (?) - "this shot is three vaccinations in one." Simple as that - I always opt for straightforward descriptions instead of confusing (at least to me) jargon. InvictaHOG 00:39, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

External links[edit]

It is only to do with allopaths suppressing anything critical to allopathy, any other reason is just a cover story, which is why they want to delete the main anti-vaccinator, Viera Scheibner, and Vaccination critics. There is some specious reason on that one. Lily Loat, the main anti-vax person a few years back, got wiped out and directed to National Anti-Vaccination League. I suppose it will be only a matter of time before that gets deleted, although as it is in the past they may ignore it. john 22:34, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

refs and so on[edit]

Thanks. You mentioned scientific support for I think the statement that the various drugs named are "first line". I'd look in teh manufacturers' summary of product characteristics; in the British National Formulary, but overwhelmingly (apart from knowing it from a medical coruse and later experience) the question of what is first line in a particualry milieu is answered by looking at local prescribing policies, and at accounts of what doctors treating the conditions actually use. Which the TMAP seems to be a very mundane example of. In the UK try NICE, whcih is trying to do something similar on a wider front. First line doesn't mean that there is only one drug to use first and it must be used first, it distinguishes some which are only used after failure of others, and in fact it probably would be better for the article to say something less specific, such as "routinely used" to avoid arguments over whether Vnelafaxine is first line or second (second now) and whether Lithium is (first line by specialists for bipolar; third line for depression). Helpful? Midgley 01:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Even NICE gets influenced by pharmaceutical stake holders siting on the board.
Psychiatric drugs are 'palliatives', no more no less. They either mitigate, and thus bring some respite or they don't.
The poor understanding about the aetiology of mental distress and thought disorder means these conditions are still beyond rational treatment... So it is a case of suck it and see.
Psychiatrists don't ( not the ones I have talked to) believe a word that is written by the manufactures.
Think back to 'negative feed back systems'. Anything one proscribes, the body will start to immediately compensate!
Tell you this: when something appears to work, its only because it coincides 'by chance' with spontaneous improvement that would have happened anyway. Also, I have come to believe in the 20% rule. Only one in five will benefit from any treatment. Definition of First line: it is sales and marketing Jingoism. [ Mania is something else! In the old days they used laudanum ( and some times barbiturates) because it seemed to help. Today - nothing seems to help.]--Aspro 02:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Trolleybuses for West London[edit]

I deleted all the links you added to Trolleybuses for West London. The site in itself is not particularly notable, nor is it directly related to the articles you added it to (eg The general article about Uxbridge should have links to general sites about Uxbridge). See also item 3 here. --Dtcdthingy 01:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Rework of articles critical of psychiatry[edit]

Hi Aspro,

I left a message in Talk Antipsychiatry page: you can convert references now if you wish. There’re other related articles that need rework and/or merging. Have you seen the tagged Psychiatric imprisonment article? —Cesar Tort 21:31, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I already merged this article. —Cesar Tort 17:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Re Kava[edit]

No worries! Sorry about that. Cheers Donama 00:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


See Also[edit]

Hi Aspro. You are absolutely correct according to policy, i apologise. The odd thing is i don't think i have ever seen commentary added to see also lists before, therefore i was boldly attempting to maintain a consistant style as i understood it. Even Wikipedia's best work appears to refrain from commenting on lists, see recent featured articles, Wayne Gretzky, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, F-35 Lightning II. However, if not already done so by someone else, i'll revert. Rockpocket 18:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


Merging Proposal[edit]

A merger of Speech therapy, Speech-Language Pathology, Speech pathology, and Phoniatrics into one article has been proposed and a name suggested for the new page. I note that you have contributed to one page or the other in the last while. If you have any comments please make them on the talk page of Speech therapy. --Slp1 00:21, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Joseph Lucas[edit]

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Wharncliffe Viaduct[edit]

Updated DYK query On 22 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Wharncliffe Viaduct, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Dextroamphetamine[edit]

You seem to be familiar with pharmacology, and an outside opinion would be welcome at Talk:Dextroamphetamine#keep_your_eye_on_the_ball. KonradG 01:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

2007 UK Foot and Mouth[edit]

Arrghh! Spoke too soon! Grr. Thanks for reverting so quickly ;) TheIslander 21:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Douglas Adams talk page[edit]

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Biopsychiatry controversy / PTSD[edit]

Hi Aspro. I noticed that you removed my revision to biopsychiatry controversy. You may not have noticed that I posted a rationale for the revision on the article's talk page. Could you please respond to my objections if you don't agree with my edit? Thanks. 152.130.6.130 (talk) 18:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, by the way, for your reply to my question at Talk:Electroporation, which I just noticed. 152.130.6.130 (talk) 19:35, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Havidol[edit]

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Havidol, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Some thing 17:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Havidol[edit]

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An article that you have been involved in editing, Havidol, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Havidol. Thank you. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 16:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Updates to Havidol[edit]

I have made some significant updates to the Havidol article that I believe addresses the concerns about notability. Please review the current article to see whether you believe this will be sufficient to save the article from deletion.--Dan Dassow (talk) 03:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Invitation[edit]

Hello there

I see you are interested in the Life On Mars Television Series, as I am.

At the moment I have A Life On Mars Wikiproject currently up for approval by the Wikiproject Approval Council. As you are interested in Life On Mars I was wondering if you would be interested in adding your name and joining. If you are interested you can find it on Wikipedia: WikiProject Council/Proposals its right at the very bottom you cant miss it as its titled ‘Wikipedia: Wikiproject Life on Mars (Television Series)’. And after your name is added to Wikiproject propsals please add it to the main page Wikipedia:Wikiproject Life On Mars

If you are interested by all means feel free to join

Regards

Police,Mad,Jack —Preceding comment was added at 19:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Un-do[edit]

Reverted that sorry. Ohmpandya (Talk to Me...) 21:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, I see the article is up for deletion. I do not think this should be deleted, going to vote "Keep". Thanks, and sorry. Ohmpandya (Talk to Me...) 21:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD/Direct metal deposition[edit]

I think that you and Wikipedia would be best served if, at AfD/Direct metal deposition, you inserted a “vote” of “Redirect to X”, where you replace “X” with a specific article to which you think users should be redirected. —SlamDiego←T 02:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Acupuncture - Mannheimer[edit]

When I asked Mannheimer why he included poor quality studies in his metastudy, and I asked for the raw data to plug into my own analysis, he refused. Happy to provide correspondence. Mccready (talk) 17:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

There was some discussion of this topic on Mccready's talk page... as I said then, Mannheimer's position that he will share the dataset with other academics, but not necessarily anyone who asks, is well within accepted boundaries. regards, Jim Butler (t) 06:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
The world is changing AcuJim and many researchers don't take this view. There is now tiny overhead in emailing a file. In fact in the time Mannheimer spent denying the request he could have met it. The correspondence shows he clammed up as soon as I asked about why the lousy studies were included. Mccready (talk) 07:59, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Cochrane[edit]

The report I had in mind asked two of the most outspoken advocates for a particular intervention to summarise the field; their review was dominated by their own work, included known errors in that work, and ignored all evidence conflicting with their pre-existing opinion. Meanwhile, that intervention had been tried in several real populations and the measured effect was, instead of the 70-80% they predicted, actually zero. So: my opinion of Cochrane is somewhat tainted :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by JzG (talkcontribs) 21:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

There are altmeders in Cochrane. The email correspondence on my page shows the top level of Cochrane is unwilling to act. Of course they have a right to be there, but not a right to pervert science to their own ends. Unfortunately Cochrane is allowing some appallingly lousy research to go out under its name. Pity, I had high hopes for the project when it started.Mccready (talk) 01:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Bath Festival of Blues and Progressive Music 1970[edit]

Hi, you obviously have a lot of info on the Bath Festival of Blues and Progressive Music 1970, would it be possible to add references to the sources?, or is it all from personal experience (I'm guessing :-).— Rod talk 16:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like you had a great time - I was too young & started festival going with Knebworth in the late 70s before discovering Glasto in the early 80s. I will try to add some refs to the article.— Rod talk 19:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

London categories[edit]

Thanks for notifying me about this discussion. I've made a few observations about how I understand the taxonomy worked - and announced the discussion at WPE and WPLondon. I suspect England geography, and possibly United Kingdom should also be advised.

When these were put together - about a year, or so ago, we did our best to set up something that made sense, there was no distinction then between anything. I've made my vote on the basis of my initial feelings about the matter. I will continue to read the discussion and take note of any convincing arguments to collapsing the categories back into one. cheers Kbthompson (talk) 10:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, I think something you did had unintended consequences. I have no problem with Category:Barking & Dagenham disappearing per the CFD; however, if removed before the sub-categories are moved into the new parent category, then the linkage of borough components is lost. The bot did this for some boroughs, but has never completed its work. The bot did about half of London - ignoring the rest. Let's discuss how to move forward, so it gets sorted out correctly. Cheers Kbthompson (talk) 10:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
OK, I found the CFD note now; you seem to have it in hand; pls let me know if I can help. Kbthompson (talk) 10:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

River Brent Copyright violation[edit]

Thanks for that, Aspro. I think you're right that you don't want someone thinking that Wikipedia copied Barrett. It's word for word the same. I was reading it because it was put through my door a few days ago in an attempt to justify Barrett's supposed status as good neighbours. Well on the whole, I think they would have been better neighbours if they hadn't partially demoloshed and weakly restored one of our best-loved listed buildings, and built 771 flats at the end of our road, but never mind. I was just reading it and thought 'hang on....this sounds very encyclopaedic!' so I checked and...bingo! it's the same! I will get a scan uploaded. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 22:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

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Colney Hatch Hospital[edit]

You may or may not watch the Colney Hatch Lunatic Asylum talk page, so allow me to draw it to your attention. I do not think you should have backed down, but your argument was more about historical usage; mine is about modern day acceptability. Anyway, since the hospital had several names, there is no particulat reason to stick with the first one as the page name. Feel free to contribute there...


File permission problem with File:Bath Fesival 1970 ticket reverse.jpg[edit]

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Think I’ve taken care of the last three items. Have included File:Bath Festival 1970 stage.jpeg to the OTRS, because I shot it at the same time. It just appears to have been the two sides of Admission Ticket above that was wrongly licensed; the dozens of other uploads appear OK. Any more queries let me know.--Aspro (talk) 13:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

presence vs presents[edit]

Hi Aspro, on the science ref desk, you make the comment "...would also alert any critters of you presents." The words may sound identical in some accents, but presents = gifts; presence = existance in a place.

I'd have phrased it "...would also alert any critters to your presence."

--Psud (talk) 06:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Psud. I didn't look right to me when I typed it but I couldn't think why. Early onset of pre-senile dementia I expect ;-)--Aspro (talk) 08:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

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Hanwell cemeteries[edit]

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Even in a little place like Hanwell there is more than one cemetery so you need to give your articles more formal names so that people wont have to guess which ones you writing about. There are three cemeteries in Hanwell. Two inner London boughs have one each and they both refer to them as “their” Hanwell Cemetery just to add to the confusion.

Also, I have had a look at your link to the Westminster cemetery website and I think they meant to say that the cemetery was originally owned by St George, Hanover Square, before being taken over by City of Westminster and thus having its name changed (from St George's) to become the new “City of Westminster Cemetery

There is a brief bit of history that might make things clearer, and that you may want to include in you article: [1]

This composite image will show how much confusion the present article could create with the current title . Think that a new title “City of Westminster Cemetery, Hanwell” fits in well with the WP naming convention. Don't forget to go back and check any articles you may have updated in error.--Aspro (talk) 13:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your note - I hope this finds you well! I came at this from wanting to write an article on the Not Forgotten Association (on a personal stub presently, in development), which lead to me writing the article stub on its founder Marta Cunningham, which lead to me writing the article on Hanwell Cemetery, where she is buried! I notice that Mill Hill Cemetery, which is also a City of Westminster location, is far more interesting (lots of war grave stuff, so lots of refs), but again doesn't presently have an article. Not being a local I defer to your greater knowledge, and happy that you move it to the suggested title of "City of Westminster Cemetery, Hanwell." What would be your suggestion on the naming of any article on Mill Hill Cemetery, and equally should the article on East Finchley Cemetery be named in the same convention? Best Regards, --Trident13 (talk) 13:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

IdeaConnection[edit]

Hi Aspro, you commented in an AfD about this article last week. It has now been recreated and I think it is significantly similar, but my request for deletion under WP:CSD#G4 was declined. I'm unsure whether to renominate it as one source may just about provide notability. Could you possibly drop by the talk page if you have a minute to discuss the best course of action? Thanks SmartSE (talk) 21:40, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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Fixed problem with image gallery[edit]

I was able to fix it using the template with the parameter align set to left. Nevertheless Face-wink.svg Thanks for your help. Appreciate it. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 13:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Notice of discussion at Talk:RD[edit]

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Medical advice at the Ref Desk[edit]

Hey, I know your heart is in the right place – and it's unfortunate we didn't nip the question in the bud earlier, before other editors chimed in with their advice about how to subdivide the original poster's medication – but please don't keep putting back your instructions about how to divide the contents of pills. In this situation, the best thing we can do (and the only thing we're allowed to do) is refer the poster to his pharmacist. He obviously doesn't understand what he's doing, because he didn't know that his pills weighed more than a quarter of a milligram. He's apt to do himself harm if he half follows the instructions from random strangers on the Ref Desk. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:19, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Refdesk comment[edit]

I consider this comment to have been unnecessarily rude and abrasive. Dragons flight (talk) 22:57, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out to him/her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.112.82.1 (talk) 00:54, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

answer to the space balls mystery[edit]

Thanks for your answer of a few days ago, about the 'balls from space' mystery - if you're interested, here's the solution solution - I still don't understand why they're falling only in Namibia, Australia etc. - anyway, thanks again Adambrowne666 (talk) 11:24, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

You deleted my edit[edit]

See here. Just a mistake or have I done something wrong? Dismas|(talk) 21:30, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Don't know what happened there. You certainly haven't done any thing wrong. It might have been due to an edit conflict or something that I did without realising. Please do resubmit it.--Aspro (talk) 21:43, 3 January 2012 (UTC)


Why did you remove useful information and links that I added to the article on Ealing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gracehbd (talkcontribs) 15:32, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

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Saltiness of salt & sodium chlorite[edit]

I think you might have missed Trovatore asking you if the "sodium chlorite" in your answer to WP:RD/S#Saltiness of salt was a typo. Cheers. -- 110.49.225.158 (talk) 22:28, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Parrots and prisons[edit]

Hi Aspro, I left a reply to you here in case you miss it. :) SlimVirgin TALK|CONTRIBS 22:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Kensington Cemetery (Hanwell)[edit]

Aspro: your article mentions clearly visible boundary stones on the eastern border. I have looked for these but cannot find them. When did you see them? Can you provide any more information on them? Mikegahan00 (talk) 13:21, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Countries suffering from pedagogical bulimia?[edit]

"Unless you live in one of those countries that just trains its pupils to mechanically pass exams". Which countries do you think in this category? Electron9 (talk) 00:05, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

That was an gross simplification on my part, since teaching ideologies spread erratically; metastasis like, one might say. Only after a generation or two can the effects be noticed in the slowing technological advancement in any individual country. Therefore, there is not clear dichotomy. So to attempt to answer your question I'll put it in more detail as I see it. What might add further illumination is criticisms such as this: [2] which shows how the potential of a nation is wasted. Also, if your involved in education then a book by the polymath Ivan Illich called Deschooling Society will put things clearer than I ever could. To my mind, the present problem came about during the Second world War. The average survival rate of a pilot was about 120 hours of operational flying. As it took about a 160 hours of intense training to get them to a state of combat readiness; the US government looked for the most effective way of selecting the right people and train them with only what they needed to know in order to compeat their missions. In war time this is understandable, especially as the the trainers where responsible for spending the tax payers dollars in a way that created the most pilots and air crew for every buck. However, after the war this ideology has appeared to spread out across the world and into general education. As I said above there is no clear dichotomy as to when this ideology becomes endemic in any particular country. Yet over the years I've come to notice how more and more students come in to industry on work experience programs only to find that if they are given a novel problem that they haven't had the answer already programmed into them – they are lost – and say its unsolvable – without even trying. They graduate thinking they have a meal-ticket for life but by 35 years of age many find they are unemployable has beans because they don't know how to think for themselves and what they got their brains programmed with is now 'old stuff'. India, Indochina and China is the place to find new graduates theses days. They don't get pumped with facts but discover how to use their minds. You look at the short list of applicants from any progressive company today and I will put money on it that the majority have be educated in countries that still educate in the proper sense and not simply train pupils to pass exams. </rant> It might be better if I finish by saying that the real question is not: which countries but to ask you to look around and ask yourself, how far done this same road your country has gone, so that you become more aware of it and can press for educational reform.--Aspro (talk) 17:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
I think it can be differentiated as rote learning vs think learning? Electron9 (talk) 21:16, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes, very much so. I'm not against rote [per sa] as it is very useful for times tables and the like. But the definition of 'education' is best defined as 'to bring out'. It requires a balance of methods to enable an individual to achieve s/he's full potential.--Aspro (talk) 21:27, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

The question from Reference- a "bastard" in Anciem regime[edit]

Hello Aspro!

I recently posted a question on The Reference-desk about the rights of acknowledged illegitimate children in Ancien Regime France. You seem to have knowledge in the question and participated, but the question has now been archived, and perhaps you did not have time to see that I specified it on request, which may make it easier (or perhaps more interesting?) to answer.

The situation is as follows:

a married French nobleman in the 1730s, who has two sons with his wife, also has two sons with his acknowledged actress-mistress, and one daughter from a secret affair with an unmarried noblewoman who has runaway from her family and secretly lives on an allowance from him. The nobleman (he is a marquess) choose to recognise all three of his own free will and have them brought up on his expense.

My question is: was it possible for him to recognise them legally in some way, was there a procedure? I have read that Louis XIV had some sort of declaration made when he acknowledged his "bastards" with Montespan. And: did the acknowledgement in itself give them some sort of rights or informal social status? Was the situation of the daughter different in some way, because her mother was noble?

I you have an answer, I would be very grateful if you would be willing to help - actually, this does have some real importance to me. Thank you very much! --Aciram (talk) 19:20, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Bon Yeon[edit]

Per this edit, I take it you don't realize that I am an administrator, and that declining a speedy request that I don't think meets the criteria was a perfectly appropriate action on my part? LadyofShalott 01:52, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Agreed 100%. I've removed the speedy tag again (which, as another administrator, I'm allowed to do as well) and added a comment to the article to the effect that speedy deletion is inappropriate; as LadyofShalott said there's an assertion of notability. If this article is to be deleted it needs to go through WP:AFD. Tonywalton Talk 01:58, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

If you don't mind me saying so, LadyofShalott's point is a non sequitur. Collins, being a major publisher, indicates that it can have an awful lot of authors and authoresses on its roll. It is a logical fallacy therefore, to claim that each and every individual author is automatically notable or important for the reason of the company's size. If however, this was 'true' then any flight-attendant working for the world biggest/most favourite/ect., airline, by your reasoning, would be also eligible for a WP article. This is plainly daft. The only ref given is a book of her's and books in themselves do not confirm notability nor importance. If umpteen pages of Googling for a modern author does not come up with anything, then is that a perverse form of notability? Obviously not... So-what-is-so-wrong-with-speedy? Aren’t supposed to be helping, rather than thinking up hoops for us to jump though? Oh! don't you just love this Dilbert sketch? I know just how he feels just now. [3]--Aspro (talk) 17:34, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

You need to reread my comment. I did not say she is notable; I said there is a claim of notability (really importance) in the article. In other words, there is plenty to make A7 not a valid deletion criterion. Not being eligible for speedy deletion is not the same thing as worthy of keeping. This article is not eligible for speedy deletion. I have no opinion on whether it is worth keeping. I suggest you take the article to AfD if you still feel it should be deleted. LadyofShalott 17:58, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Reference desks[edit]

Moved Dolphin's comments to the ref desk. --Aspro (talk) 17:09, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response. I have raised some questions at Wikipedia talk:Reference desk#Original research and conspiracy theory. I hope you will join the discussion. Dolphin (t) 06:24, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Open source, toll accusation[edit]

My first reaction was to delete that comment as being off topic/insulting, but instead I would like to ask you to reread the talk section as I rewrote 80% of it, added context, included citations and added links where needed. It was not very friendly of you by accusing me of trolling when I have in the last half year made several posts about issues, given each time a long duration for it to be fixed (sources in lead had a "not in source" template since March), and in general trying to find people that could help fix the issues of the article where sources is the largest issue. The article has been lacking sources since at least May 2009, which is a very long time for no one to fix it. Belorn (talk) 10:13, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Curiosity rover timeline[edit]

Hello Aspro. I noticed that in the AfD you first wrote: "Keep for now".[4] Then, below, you commented: Comment: Following on from what W. D. Graham and others have said. It would be easier to start a new article properly named as Timeline of the Mars Science Laboratory mission, and properly laid out. The time-line only needs to be a simple wiki-table list for the 'minutia' (without images) that doesn't belong in the two other articles. Then delete this one. --Aspro

Since you have apparently changed your mind, I wonder if you could please update your first comment from "Keep" to "Delete". I also wanted you to let you know that I look forward to planning the layout or format with you of the Timeline article, whether it will be deleted or not. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 23:01, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Ealing[edit]

The section is not only about Queen of Suburbs though, it seems to cover 20th centuryish history including the Pevsner bit. If the section needs to have an image it could do better than one of a lampost. It could also do with a great deal of expansion but that's another matter. JMiall 21:50, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

? The section is named 'Queen of the Suburbs' not Queen of Ealing 'and other things'

Any 'other-things' need to go in another section. It covers the golden age of a particular part of the current borough of Ealing. All Pevsner did, was comment upon it and delineated that part of the 'whole' borough -which was 'Queen of the Suburbs.' Ealing-Village existed within this time period (just) but at that time this small estate represented just homes for overseers, foremen and the like, the like of which could found in many other parts of English cities. The fact that these apartments now sell for silly prices, is near here nor there. They held no architectural merit back then and are thus not includable. It is only now, that the arty-farties people forn over their galvanised window frames, art deco lines and such (a bit like Ealing's 'Longfield House' on the corner of Longfield Avenue). Another blot on the landscape if you ask me. Another example of horrid utilitarianism. Hardly anything majestic about them really -is there?! Maybe there are some old images that are more representative of those bygone days to suit the article. I will look out for some.--Aspro (talk) 18:27, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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dredging question[edit]

I answered your questions you asked about my project in the help desk thread about dredging. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.152.23.48 (talk) 19:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Malaria[edit]

Hi may I ask you about your post at RD/S that I hope to understand? I appreciate that you began by commenting in good faith on the first answer to the OP's question that came from an IP address that was only later identified as being a banned user. That first answer contained a unequivocal "No" as its first word and provided a solid reference. Your post adds understanding about why "No" is the correct answer, but you confuse me by castigating the IP's reply as "so gabbled and inaccurate that it does not start to answer the OP's question." Did you have a reason at the time not to treat it as an answer in good faith? DreadRed (talk) 18:32, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi DreadRed. The fact that an editor can contribute in good faith doesn't mean that he can't garble (I know -I spell it wrong in the post) his solid reference. On the various 'Reference desks' we endeavor to answer the 'Posters' questions according to our particular skill set. Therefore, 'Reference desks' are not a forum for people to just pull something from the internet and without reading them -just comment. As you may have read, researchers study Wikipedia and study the accuracy -or otherwise- of what we write. --Aspro (talk) 20:04, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining here your reasoning that you did not explain in your retort on the desk. I think it unfortunate for the Ref. Desks when someone who has volunteered time to answer a question, including "pulling from the internet" a reference whose appropriateness no one questions, is seen to be met with a harsh attack on his/her effort. Just insinuating that the poster did not even read the reference that they provided does not make it so. Please consider redacting your misspelled criticism to be less abrasive. DreadRed (talk) 11:41, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
How can it be, that pointing out to an 'Original Poster' that a certain reply is garbled, then gets to be taken as an “abrasive” and “harsh attack”?--Aspro (talk) 14:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
This discussion is ended on my side. DreadRed (talk) 18:26, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Africain children[edit]

Hi. You've made a personal comment on the ref desk that violates BLP without a good source (and reason for meantion). Before hiding the comment I figured I'd let you address it if you will. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 00:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

List the reason(s) you think it violates BLP--Aspro (talk) 11:06, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Were, o where[edit]

Hi, Aspro. Can I gently set you straight about something, in the spirit of yuletide generosity? You often confuse the words 'were' and 'where', and it makes for challenging reading.

  • 'Were' is a verb, the past tense of 'to be' - I was only kidding; you were the one I wanted; he was driving on the wrong side; The Way We Were; you were never lovelier; they were flabbergasted, etc.
  • 'Where' is an adverb: "I know where I'm going", "Where did you find that awful dress?", etc.

Cheers. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:56, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

ref desk[edit]

This is to notify you there is a discussion here about a matter in which you may have participated. μηδείς (talk) 21:39, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Do realize, everything I said on that thread was satire, and the above comment was smalled to try to hint that. I just wanted to make sure you were aware of and didn't mind my ass pro crack. μηδείς (talk) 22:39, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

hmm[edit]

I would have thought based on your outrage that there would have been based on at least one item in the paragraph that was actually referenced in the source. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:53, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

By the number of edits you have done since -and quickly, I seem to have caught your attention at the very out set. Why didn't you explain your what your intentions where/are on this article's talk page? That is what it is there for.--Aspro (talk) 02:23, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

April 2014[edit]

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Please discuss![edit]

You tried to cram a lot into your intitial edit note and while you may have a point, right now it doesn't make sense. I opened a section for you to explain: Talk:Canola#Deletion_by_Aspro_re_toxicity. thx Jytdog (talk) 23:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

we got off on the wrong foot somehow - i take it by now that you have seen the edits to erucic acid etc and are ok with them - and that you see i am not some fringe nut? :) Jytdog (talk) 23:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

2014[edit]

Hi there — Preceding unsigned comment added by Impact33 (talkcontribs) 19:44, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, You are now on my watch list, so maybe we can collaborate on West London articles. --Aspro (talk) 19:57, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Category:Microbreweries[edit]

The above is closed. Please feel free to implement. (And my apologies for the late notice.) - jc37 08:07, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Did someone hijack your account?[edit]

This does not look like you. -- BenRG (talk) 20:14, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Can't say I'd agree. Aspro has been publishing anti Microsoft stuff for a long time Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2014 April 23 Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2014 June 4 Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2013 March 19, Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2013 April 13, Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2013 April 27, Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Computing/2014 January 19. That particular comment may have been particular weird (especially the spelling etc), but I don't think the Heartbleed one (first link) was really much better and I'm fairly sure it's not the only one by far. Oh yes and in retrospect I probably should have just left the comment stand on its own, particular since I should have remembered from the history suggests Aspro's reply wouldn't have been much better. Still I didn't and I guess you'll agree going all in when someone replies to me (and I don't just avoid reading the post) with something I strongly disagree with does look like me. Nil Einne (talk) 05:24, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

See[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents μηδείς (talk) 21:25, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Water Fluoridation[edit]

Thank you for noticing. I realized that the proponents of fluoridation are guarding those pages. They rather have 19 "historical" references to Dr. Strangelove denigrating opponents rather than a single reference to Doctors, Feltman, Waldbott, or Roholm. It's a variation on another technique. The best posts opposing fluoride on forum pages mysteriously disappear. Happened on my local newspaper where a handful of national supporters who post on local newspapers in Alaska, Oregon, Missouri, Kansas, etc. overwhelmed the site. I had no idea until I googled the names after reading positively vitriolic character assassinations. Discovered that there is an organized internet campaign, led by PEW and ADA, to discredit scientific opposition postings online. I know how Galileo felt. But tide may be turning. See: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/19317-feds-blacks-suffer-most-from-fluoride-fluoridate-anyway# Seabreezes1 (talk) 14:02, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png thank you! Simon Mer (talk) 20:29, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Rondevu at a café[edit]

Ho, ho, ho. I noticed your cunning scheme to confuse us all here. Cafe is so down market, and only café will do. But then it's the marvellously creative rondevu for rendezvous. 8/10. Keep up the good work.  :) -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:13, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Must admit, my fingers did hover over the keyboard for an instant, as the OP was asking a serious question. Yet, as café is an abbreviation for coffee house, and caffeine is a drug... I thought I'd throw it in to see if another editor tried to correct my spelling of rondevu. Didn't reckon though, on some smart-arsed antipodean spotting it. Don't know what the antipodean equivalent of a Wikipedia Barnstar is but as Rolf Harris might say (and Dame Edna Everage certainly would), you are worthy of a of being awarded a wombats arse hole ;-)--Aspro (talk) 21:32, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
I consider that an award of greater moment than many others I could name. I will toss it into the cardboard shoe box along with my countless other trinkets, baubles and fripperies; encomia, medals, honours and awards; and fawning expressions of gratitude from grateful nations and persons. You know, one grows tired of unremitting benevolence, and yearns to be able to go for a Big Mac, Fries and Coke (silver service, of course) without being mobbed. Such is the lot of a doyen. But now that Gough has gone to treat his Maker like an equal, who else is there to be the Elder Statesman now? When all is said and done - and most of us have been - one must do one's duty.  :) -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:54, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Alas yes. Taking off my Hobbly-Bob, laying it on my chest and lowering my head, I too, utter the mantra one must do one's duty Amen. Mind you, this is hard these days, what with all the clanking of those dangling aluminum cans of Fosters (which are no substitute for good old fashioned corks.) --Aspro (talk) 23:25, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Elder Statesman? Easy...Sir Les Patterson of course. A vegetarian, a teetotaler, someone that loves animals and children ( I wont explain that any further). A connaisseur of art and culture. Sobriety is his middles name. He would make a great diplomat and representative of the Australian people, camels, kangaroos and gladioli farmers. Also, he can whoo all those undecided women voters, with his skills of tossing and catching his baton or didjeridu, which he himself, modestly declares to be a big one. Give me the air-fair and I'll come over and vote for him too! --Aspro (talk) 00:31, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
I fully expect to see Sir Les at Gough's memorial service next Wednesday. No doubt he'll be escorting Dame Edna (who was personally knighted by said Gough, you'll remember). In fact, I've often wondered why those two don't get married; they have an almost spooky similarity in some undefinable way.  :) -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 01:10, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Agree. They would make a good match as they both share explicitly good tastes. They both exude the self-effacing modesty which would be fitting of a great statesman and his shy and demure sheila. The familial similarity to which you allude is to be expected. After all, as Dame Edna Everage sang: [5] and so is her heartthrob Les. Gosh doesn't Edna look young in that clip! Actually, I imagine that they already do have the odd little I joey here and there but that they want to shield them from glare that mega stardom attracts, so Les and Edna keep their joeys existence secret (Unless of cause, Australia meets its nemesis, in which case, their joeys shall make themselves known and deliver you from evil... and reluctantly accept prime-time TV slots). Thus. you will never see Les and Edna together at the same time. --Aspro (talk) 02:07, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

A tip[edit]

It's "clique", not "click". HiLo48 (talk) 23:27, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh boy. Is the English-language spelling reform now so dead that I have now to spell 'fish' as "ghoti"?
the gh = f as in rouGH
the o = i as in wOmen
the ti = sh as in naTIon

Oh, I give up! ;-)--Aspro (talk) 23:51, 13 November 2014 (UTC)