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Sorry (Sharpe's Skirmish)[edit]

I made a mistake, I should have checked the logs and been more careful. Good work on the article (diff) and if you spot any more incompetencies you can tell me directly. Sorry, GDonato (talk) 21:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

  • No problem - I still have some work to go on the article, particularly on the intro, plot and expanding the character list. While I have copy edited the old text for the intro and plot (until I have to to rewrite it) it is mostly blatant plagiarism and paraphrasing from the author's introduction) Cheers. AusTerrapin 21:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

ADM ribbon[edit]

I've lightened up the ADM ribbon to match the actual colour (well, as close as I can on my monitor anyway) - thanks for the prod! PalawanOz 23:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, yes[edit]

That's quite simple. If you look closely, Sharpe's Regiment (novel) uses the regular ' (%27) apostrophe, and the redirect, Sharpe’s Regiment (novel) uses the curly one, (%E2%80%99). All the articles are where they should be :) --Closedmouth 12:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

  • That explains it. Cheer's. AusTerrapin 13:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

ISBN 10 or 13[edit]

Response to your question on the {{Infobox Book}} talk page. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Napoleonic[edit]

Response on my user talk page. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Happy Wikibirthday (a day late)[edit]

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I saw from here that it's been exactly three years since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 07:46, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Australian Army[edit]

Hi AusTerrapin, thanks for your input. Your suggestions are very helpful and I am in the process to change the graphic now - but some questions remain and some suggested changes I can not make as to keep all graphics within an uniformed standard; in detail:

  • Brigade is abbreviated Bde not Brig (BRIG is the abbreviation for the rank Brigadier).
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  • Regiment is abbreviated Regt not Rgt.
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  • Support is abbreviated Spt not Sup (Sup is the abbreviation for supply).
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  • Combat Service Support Brigade (CSS Bde) and Force Support Battalions (FSB) use the same military symbol as the CSSBs ie a rectangle with a wedge on the right side (the symbol for Combat Service support), not a straight line two thirds of the way down (the symbol for supply).
changed (thanks for pointing that out - it was unclear to me what functions FSBs have and therefore I choose the Supply symbol for them)
  • Special Forces - military symbol does not have a box around the SF.
this I did not change, as only Australia would then use this variation of the SF symbol, while all other graphics have the one with the box around it
  • Command is abbreviated Comd not Com.
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  • Reserve Brigades are not designated as Reserve Brigades in their title so if it is necessary to refer to their Reserve status, this should be at the end of the title, not in the middle.
changed (The "Reserve" text I kept to distinguish between active/reserve units of the Australian Army)
  • Under 4 Bde, it is the Royal Victorian Regiment (RVR) not the Victorian Regiment.
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  • Under 11 Bde, it is the Royal Queensland Regiment (RQR) not the Queensland Regiment.
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  • Combat is abbreviated Cbt, not C.
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  • Squadron can be abbreviated Sqn if necessary
I know
  • Abbreviations of Australian military units do not use full stops.
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Questions:[edit]

  1. Bn for Battalion is ok?
  2. for the 3rd Field Squadron of the 9th Combat Engineer Regiment - should I write "3rd Field Squadron" or "3rd Field Squadron, 9th Combat Engineer Regiment" or "3 Sqn 9th Combat Eng Regt" or which variation thereof??? the same question applies to the 13 Field Squadron, 13th Combat Engineer Regiment and the 35th Field Squadron of 11th Combat Engineer Regiment.
  3. also: I need a clear instruction as to what to do with units numbers: 1st or 1, 4th or 4 - and is there a difference between battalions, brigades and regiments??? i.e. do you write: 4th brigade or 4 brigade, 3rd regiment or 3 regiment, 7th battalion or 7 battalion; and with 2 numbers: "31st/42nd Royal Queensland Regiment" or "31/42nd Royal Queensland Regiment" or "31/42 Royal Queensland Regiment"... I saw all three variants... the less text there is, the easier it is for me to fit it in the text fields - so I always prefer to just write: 1, 3, 5, ecc. but! what is the official naming policy of the Australian Army???
  4. also: 7th Battery 3rd Field Regt or 7 Battery 3 Field Regt or 7 Bty 3rd Field Regt or 7th Bty 3 Field Regt... what is right?
  5. 16th (Aviation) Brigade or 16 Brigade (Aviation) or... ???
  6. any other changes? noclador (talk) 19:56, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

new version[edit]

A new version of the graphic is now online. I changed some details:

  1. Signals - I removed the "s" with some of the Signal units to bring them to a uniform spelling
  2. I removed the LRRP before the three Regional Force Surveillance units
  3. I wrote the 3 Engineer Squadrons as "x Field Squadron" as two of the three units seem to prefer this name (only the Field Squadron designation without regiment) on their homepages: 13, 35
  4. also I dropped all the ordinals to make more room for the regiments names - since ordinals are of little informational value, but a infantry regiments name are extra-relevant, I hope you agree with this mix of: no ordinals, Royal most of the times abbreviated to R and Regiment to Regt, and the rest as often as possible fully spelled out.
  • if there is any other change/point you wish to make - please feel free to do so. and if you have the time: could you also have a look at the New Zealand Army chart? thanks, noclador (talk) 00:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

file vs image[edit]

Just in case you hadn't noticed, I have replied. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Category:Recipients of the Commendation for Distinguished Service[edit]

Hi! In the above you have added:

Category:Recipients of Australian military awards and decorations|Distinguished Service (Class 3)|Distinguished Service Commendation|Distinguished Service Commendation

I thought "category" only had two fields. What are the third & fourth?
What is "Distinguished Service (Class 3)"?
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

G'day Pdfpdf, Doh! Will fix. Class 3 is only a means of ensuring that all the Distinguished Service Awards appear under D and are grouped together in precedence order. DSC is class 1, DSM class 2 and CDS is class 3. I could just have easily used 'level', but was thinking of the 2 classes of the RRC at the time. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 11:56, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Well there you go! (I didn't know that!!) "You learn something new every day." Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:06, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
(P.S. OK, I give in. What is RRC? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:08, 20 June 2010 (UTC))
Royal Red Cross - its one of the UK Imperial awards and has been replaced in Australia by the Nursing Service Cross. The Royal Red Cross (Class I) uses the postnominal RRC and the Royal Red Cross (Class II) uses the postnominal ARRC (ie Associate Royal Red Cross). Normally one had to be awarded the ARRC (red enamelled cross with silver edge) before being eligible to be awarded the RRC (same design but edged in gold). I've fixed the surplus category fields now. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 12:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Categorisation for UNSW faculty members[edit]

Hi, you listed several people who are not alumni but faculty in the alumni category of the University of New South Wales. Hekerui (talk) 15:23, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, technically you are quite correct. They were moved as part of a wider categorisation tidy up that I have been performing. Looking at entries for alumni on other universities, it has been common practice for faculty to be included in alumni and for there to be no separate category for faculty, hence why I categorised them the way that I did. The do not belong in the main university category. If you really don't want them in an alumni category, then please feel free to create and appropriately link a dedicated faculty page. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 15:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help![edit]

Thanks for your help on the table version of the honorary Knights and Dames page. If we keep plugging away a few names at a time for the next few days, we'll be done before we know it!--Jimbo Wales (talk) 22:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

simple:Mark Donaldson[edit]

Please don't remove links to other Wikipedias on this (or any) article unless the link to a page that does not exist or is incorrect. He may be from New Zealand but the French Wikipedia has an article on him too! - tholly --Talk-- 14:10, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

G'day Tholly, my removal of the French link to Mark Donaldson was entirely appropriate. There are two Mark Donaldson's. Mark Donaldson, VC is the subject of articles on the en: no: and simple: Wikipedias. Mark Donaldson, NZ All Black player is the subject of the fr: article and, now that I have created it, an en: article. The en:Mark Donaldson, VC page was subjected to continual inappropriate linking to the French page on the NZ rugby player. To fix this I have done a bunch of disambiguation work including raising the en:Mark Donaldson (rugby player) page, moving the French page to fr:Mark Donaldson (jeuer de rugby), linking fr:Mark Donaldson (jeuer de rugby) to en:Mark Donaldson (rugby player), removing fr:Mark Donaldson (jeuer de rugby) links to fr:Mark Donaldson and simple:Mark Donaldson and removing links on no:Mark Donaldson and simple:Mark Donaldson to fr:Mark Donaldson (jeuer de rugby). This ensures that each site only links to the appropriate corresponding individual. I have also provided a hat link on en:Mark Donaldson to en:Mark Donaldson (rugby player).

If you wish to correspond further, my primary page and talk page are on the English wikipedia (see links in my following signature). Cheers AusTerrapin (talk) 15:44, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Ahh I see, my mistake, very sorry! I should have looked more closely at the content of the articles, sorry for confusion :) - tholly --Talk-- 16:23, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

email?[edit]

You don't seem to have email enabled. Is that correct?
FYI, I do. If you send me an email, I can reply to it.
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:29, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

BTW: I replied. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Talk:List of Order of Odd Fellows lodges[edit]

Could you please refactor your final paragraph from [1], which I've collapsed for the time being? A simple solution would be removing all comments and assumptions about me.

I appreciate the time and effort you've made in explaining your perspective. I think you understand my perspective well. I don't think further discussion is going to get either of us to change our perspectives. --Ronz (talk) 16:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I responded to your comments at ANI, hoping we can move on. --Ronz (talk) 16:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the strikeout and the clarification [2]! --Ronz (talk) 19:42, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Mark Donaldson (rugby player)[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Mark Donaldson (rugby player) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible.  Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?   05:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

pointless exercises[edit]

I've lost interest.
It all sounds like a waste of time, effort and energy to me.
Never-the-less, I VERY MUCH appreciate your contributions.
If there is something you feel I should pay attention to, something you feel I can add value to without alienating everyone else, or something you feel I can help you with, please "rattle my cage".
Otherwise, I'm staying away from this idocy - life is too short to waste time entertaining strange people and acknowledging their fantasies.
Many thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:13, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

George S. Patton[edit]

Just a note following your latest edits, I have found a citation for his honorary CB in September 1944 but so far nothing in the London Gazette or Times about any other awards. I have added the CB citation to the Patton article. MilborneOne (talk) 20:04, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Patton is not a page I watch but have just seen your talk page note - I will comment there, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 20:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Mark Donaldson (rugby player)[edit]

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Re: Date change[edit]

Sorry about that, was going by the UTC timezone, as I do everywhere on Wikipedia. Plus it would have looked esthetically strange to have seen July 5th before July 4th. Regards. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 14:24, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Aaaaand, I just read the top of your user page. Sorry again. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 14:25, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Muhammad Hasan[edit]

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Ping[edit]

There is now work for you to do, I presume? Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Order of the Black Star[edit]

Just added a new category Category:Officers of the Order of the Black Star to line up with the more accurate categorisation system. To support it I added a cat for the Order Category:Order of the Black Star to include the order and the receipents. Not 100% sure that is right way. As you have more experience in using more acurate category system any advice woule be appreciated, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 19:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

G'day MilbourneOne, you got it. As a colonial order, the related categories should probably be dual categorised against Benin in addition to France. I am not a fan of the 'Orders of knighthood of X' as a category, it becomes quite messy when one needs to cover non-chivalric orders. My preference is for 'Orders of X' with membership grade categories used to identify knights and dames (eg Category:Knights Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath' is categorised as Category:Order of the Bath and as Category:British knights while Category:Companions of the Order of the Bath' is categorised only as Category:Order of the Bath). 'Orders of X' should then be categorised as 'Category:Orders by country|X' and 'Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of X'. These higher level linkages follow the schema archived on the WP:ODM talk page. The French category structure seems to have been developed in isolation of this schema, however I think it may be better to work with it for the time being - I am mulling over a proposal to post at WP:ODM for a comprehensive set of categorisation guidelines. My recent work in revamping the UK and Thailand schema has been useful in developing some thoughts on this. I just need to be able to drag myself away from other tasks long enough to write up the proposal. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 13:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Understood, thanks for the reply, I have noticed we have a few recipients of type cats that really need to be more accurate as has been done for UK and Thailand. Look forward to supporting your proposal! it would be good to have an example of the structure. MilborneOne (talk) 15:29, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Scout and Guide awards[edit]

If you look in Category:Scout and Guide awards, you will see that we now have two categories for holders of the Silver Wolf, after you created one for B-P. I think I prefer your name, Recipients of the Silver Wolf Award, to the older name, Silver Wolf awardees, which has two entries. The naming in general is pretty chaotic and many of these categories are not populated by articles that should be there. I think we need to take this to the Scouting Project, to look at the issue of all similar categories, but I am too exhausted to do that tonight. --Bduke (Discussion) 11:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up - I missed that. I have been quite extensively involved in categorisation of orders, decorations and medals as a member of of both WP:ODM and WP:CATP. Outside the realms of scouting, the convention is to use 'Recipients of X' for categories intended for those awarded decorations, medals, awards, etc. Orders are treated differently as one is not awarded an order, one becomes a member of it and thus the title for Category:Members of the Order of the Silver Elephant. I have raised a CfM and have placed a note on the Scouting Project's discussion page. If there are others that you think need to be added to this CfM, feel free however Category:Members of the Order of the Silver Elephant should be excluded for the reasons noted above. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 15:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

[edit] File:CdnForcesDecoration+3rosettes.PNG[edit]

G'day Ctjj, you recently added File:CdnForcesDecoration+3rosettes.PNG to several images. Can you please confirm that the rosettes actually take up the full height of the ribbon in reality? This would be unusual, ribbon emblems usually only occupy 2/3 to 4/5 of the vertical height of the ribbon. Assuming that the rosettes are not supposed to occupy the full height of the ribbon, can you please update your image with better proportioned rosettes? Also, as a public domain image, the file would be better loaded to Wikimedia Commons and categorised as Ribbon bars of Canada so that it is grouped with other Canadian ribbons and is more easily found by others seeking ribbon images for their articles. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 20:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Good evening!

I hope that you are doing well. Your statement about the rosettes of the Canadian Forces decoration actually makes sence. I really just took an image of the rosette and added it on an image of the CD ribbon, and it seemed to fit. After looking closely to the following picture: http://www.cadets.ca/assets/0/121/423/1087/2343/10612/10752/27ee2c1b-fd8f-4275-86f4-5f021d2da7c0.jpg, I have noticed that the rosettes that I have used would be probably 2 milimetres too large. When I will have the time, I could correct the problem.

Good day to you. Ctjj.stevenson (talk) 22:53, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Umberto[edit]

Ciao! I removed them as, in my opinion, their encyclopedical value is totally null. To know that boring list of empty noble titles, what does it give to the reader? The article doubles its size, with its knowledge value remaining the same. Anyway, let me know... Good work! --'''Attilios''' (talk) 23:29, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi[edit]

Category:Australian_religious_and_humanist_awards

I dont understand the context of creating this category - its bit like chalk and cheese awards - any reason? SatuSuro 07:49, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks. AusTerrapin (talk) 17:09, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

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Most highly decorated[edit]

Because I don't know the answer, I'm asking quietly first:
Are any of Keith Payne's foreign awards anywhere near the MG?
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

G'day Pdfpdf, well spotted. The US Distinguished Service Cross is roughly equivalent to the Star of Gallantry and the Silver Star to the Medal for Gallantry, The Gallantry Cross with Bronze Star doesn't translate easily but is probably equivalent to a Commendation for Gallantry. He is therefore more highly decorated. I have updated the other entries which were a distortion from the reference cited which only said that Corporal Roberts-Smith was the most highly decorated member of the ADF (ie currently serving) which is true. Cheers, AusTerrapin. AusTerrapin (talk) 10:34, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Winners of the Nykredit Architecture Prize[edit]

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Can you help me with how to correct an error in the list of OBEs/CBEs?[edit]

Hello AusTerrapin,

I'm taking a punt that you may be able to help with this, given your evident expertise. I hope you do not mind me asking; I have exhausted all avenues I can think of.

I simply want to move a deceased friend and colleague's entry under Officers of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) to the Commanders (CBE) list. (It's an authoritative move; I'll be providing the verification page from the Australian Govt awards website.)

All I can see is this rather cryptic comment at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Commanders_of_the_Order_of_the_British_Empire&action=edit: "To list a page in this category, do not edit this category page. Instead, edit the page you want to list..." but I don't know how to get hold of the pages involved via the Edit tab.

I hope you will be able to help. Again my apologies if I am intruding.

Sincerely,

Clive Huggan Canberra, Australia —Preceding unsigned comment added by SCHolar44 (talkcontribs) 05:44, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello Clive not sure AusTerrapin is around at the moment but if I can help, you cant change the actual category page you have to change the original article. To do that we need to know the name of your friend and find his/her article. The category will be at the bottom of that page. It would help if you could provide a reference or citation for the promotion from officer to commander, thanks. (I have removed your email to protect you from unwanted mail) MilborneOne (talk) 08:13, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, MilborneOne -- including for removing my e-mail address; I realised my error just as I was heading out in a taxi!

Do I reply to you via "Edit" in User talk:AusTerrapin? Or should I do it another way? I'm very green with this side of Wikipedia.

I did visit your page and saw that you are ex-RAF, with an LSGCM. I'm ex-RAAF -- and your interests do, er, overlap somewhat.  :-)

The page which lists my old friend, John Paul Wild, is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Wild. The page that lists him incorrectly as OBE is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Officers_of_the_Order_of_the_British_Empire&from=W -- hmm, I have looked at it and that should now be "listed": he has disappeared from there to the Commanders page (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Commanders_of_the_Order_of_the_British_Empire&from=W).

I wonder if this move between pages will be permanent? I guess it must have happened when I changed one of the category references in his Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Wild) to "Commander" from "Officer". Ah! That's what is meant by "you have to change the original article"! [Sound of many pennies dropping].

You mentioned "It would help if you could provide a reference or citation for the promotion from officer to commander". The authoritative page is the Australian Govt honours and awards page: http://www.itsanhonour.gov.au/honours/honour_roll/search.cfm?aus_award_id=1064489&search_type=simple&showInd=true and I have cited it.

Btw, the placement on the wrong page was a typo, i.e. he was never an OBE.

Thanks indeed for your friendly assistance as I tentatively make my way! My next task is to master the coding citations in the Wikipedia style; it will come (I have started to study the appropriate Help pages). I have an article ready about Paul Wild's life achievements, based on a seminar that we held at the Australian Academy of Science.

SCHolar44 (talk) 08:53, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks like you have sorted it out yourself, normally when you start a talk discussion it is better to stay on the same page otherwise the questions and answers appear all over the place. But if you have any other questions then please ask at my talk page. Apology for hijacking AusTerrapins talk page! MilborneOne (talk) 11:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for your offer. And apologies to you for my "uninvited lodger / cuckoo" act, AusTerrapin!

SCHolar44 (talk) 11:24, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Numbers of Honorary awards of the Order of Australia[edit]

Hi! In July 2010 you made this addition to Order of Australia. It's not obvious to me how to get a separate count of the number of Honorary awards without doing it manually. Did you do it manually? If so, I commend you highly for wading through the list of about 3000 awardees! I also wonder if you are in the mood to update the counts? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:32, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

G'day Pdfpdf, yes it was manually, however I cheated slightly. I ran a search on www.itsanhonour.gov.au for all awardees for each grade in turn and copied the resulting text into Excel, separated into columns and filtered for the honorary entries (they are marked). I used formulae to more efficiently copy text into columns (the original output was on successive rows) and I had to copy the OAM text in blocks as copying the full list caused my computer to crash. Not sure how I will go in the short term for updating, most of my free time is being consumed by looking after a new baby and working on my next Master's. AusTerrapin (talk) 20:27, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
That sounds like the sort of idiocy I indulge in, but I have neither a new baby, nor a Master's degree, occupying my time. I suggest you ignore updating it. What's there is indicative and sufficiently supports the assertion that "there's a lot of them". I was just hoping that you had discovered a more automated way to do it. You get back to your baby (they grow up too quickly - if you're not careful, it'll be a teenager before you notice), and I'll get back to doing my Income Tax. (Whoopee!) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 00:52, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

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Melbourne Cup 1941[edit]

Thanks again for helping me sort out my article on Edwin A. Doss. It was a few years ago so maybe you won't remember. Anyway I've got some family folklore I want to clear up and was thinking maybe you might have some insight on it.

My father, Edwin Doss, took his fighter squadron from San Francisco to Australia a few weeks after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. The story he told me was that soon after arriving in Australia he dove his fighter plane into the stadium before the horse race (which I believe was the Melbourne Cup). He recalled looking up at the people in the stadium. He got into trouble of course and explained that he had done it because the Japanese invasion was imminent and it was no time to have a horse race. Also, he talked of several race horses dying during the incident.

Now, war fighters return from war with lots of stories but my father never ever played things up like that. That being said, I cannot find any reference to anything like this event ever happening. It might be a tall tale but if it is, it's the only tall tale my father ever told.

Know anything about this incident?

Thanks,

Jim Doss JamesDoss (talk) 23:26, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Date formats / Diamond Jubilee Medal for VC Winners[edit]

Prompted by seeing your recent edit, I continue to be confused by which date format to use. I've had YYYY-MM-DD changed to dd mmm yyyy, and dd mmm yyyy changed to YYYY-MM-DD. i.e. Whatever I do, someone complains. What are your thoughts/opinions on the topic? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:47, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I am in the habit of using the ISO format (YYYY-MM-DD) for citations because that was the guidance on the template cheat sheet - this was based around ease of identification for bots. Since then the guidance appears to have been watered down - I'm guessing people thought that trying to consistently enforce ISO dates was a lost cause.
Donaldson will be getting the Diamond Jubilee Medal, but I haven't put it up because without the supporting news article someoneone is going to complain that putting two and two together is WP:SYNTHESIS. Interestingly of Payne's now 24 medals, 6 have resulted from his VC action - the VC, DSC (US), and CG(RVN) and the three Jubilee Medals. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 16:21, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Ordre national du Mérite[edit]

You are correct about the circular issue. Article was downgraded to C. Fdutil (talk) 02:17, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Bed-making[edit]

Thanks for the refs! PamD 18:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Peter van Uhm‎[edit]

BTW: I haven't been able to confirm the grades of the Order of the Merit (Chile) or Order of the Polar Star (Sweden) yet. (Thanks for finding ref for Legion of Honour (France)). Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 06:42, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Why would an army general be appointed Commander of the Naval Order of Merit (Chile)?
Do you have a reference?
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 16:31, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Excellent question, presumably there was a naval component to his relationship building with Chile in one or both of his senior Joint appointments (Commander Operations Command and Chief of Defence Staff). I am going of the ribbons displayed here and the ribbon you originally added with a rosette backed by a silver stripe. The only comparable one in the photo (bottom row, far left ribbon) is edged in red which is consistent with the Naval Order of Merit and is consistent with the sequence of decorations listed in the article. The alternative is that it is the blue ribbon (3rd row from top, far left ribbon) in which case the grade is Knight. I haven't found a textual reference for his award which would given a conclusive result. I have found several references which show that the blue sash edged in red is the Naval Order of Merit (#1, #2, and #3), and one which is to a Police Chief (#4). Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 17:31, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
a) Hmmm. Well, stranger things have happened, I suppose ...
b) It's handy when Kevin Piggott takes such nice high resolution photos!
Dutch UNIFIL medal Dutch former Yugoslavia medal
Dutch SFOR --|-- Dutch Officers' long service medal --|-- Dutch Army medal
Dutch Olympic cte NATO UNIFIL NATO SFOR French Military campaign medal
 ? Cmdr Polar Star Officer Legion of Honour  ?
Not there: AO; Mir Masjedi khan Ghazi; Cmdr Orange-Nassau
The lanyard is the Bronze Soldier - Haven't yet determined if there's an associated ribbon or not.
c) BTW: What was/were the award/s that the Chilean Admiral and Air General were wearing?
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 18:25, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:07, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
That's about as far as I can get at the moment. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:24, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

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Adding Category:Orders, decorations, and medals to pages[edit]

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Thanks for checking. This is not strictly the case - it is quite appropriate to have meta articles linked to this category, ie generic articles that describe the overarching system of orders, decorations and medals (eg Medal). However, articles that are specific to subordinate categories should be allocated to that category (eg British Honours System belongs under Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom). In some cases the subordinate category may not have been created - this is not a justification for the article to be placed in a top level category (eg a new article describing the honours system of Burkina Faso would be categorised under Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Burkina Faso but as that category doesn't presently exist it should be created (as part of a wider category schema it can be created as soon as there is at least one article to populate it)). Please review your recent changes and where appropriate correct. If there are specific articles you are uncertain of, feel free to ask. AusTerrapin (talk) 15:59, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
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Poogie Bell[edit]

Hi, I was tempted to write up a Poogie Bell stub and found your draft. Looks good to me, time to move it? :-) – Pladask (talk) 20:35, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I second that. It's good work, give it a go. Blutfink (talk) 19:44, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the interest. I have held off moving it because I hope to put it in for a DYK nomination to raise awareness of this great musician and need a bit more materiel to successfully do this. Then I got distracted by other things... I will have another look shortly. In the meantime, if you have sourced materiel to add whilst it is still in user space, please feel free... AusTerrapin (talk)

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Commander Forces Command (Australia)[edit]

Commander Forces Command (COMD FORCOMD) is a senior Australian Army appointment

  • Are you sure that it's not a Joint position?
  • (I'm of the understanding I had the impression that LCAUST was a Joint position, but I could be wrong ... ) - And yes, on reflection, that IS wrong.
  • Do you have any evidence to clarify whether it is a Joint or an Army position?
  • (I must admit that the fact that it's a merger of LCAUST and commander TC-A sort-of implies that it just might be an Army position ... )

Yours in incomplete knowledge, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:38, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

G'day Pdfpdf, yes, I am absolutely sure. Publicly available info can be found on the Army website and the other indicator is that all of the subordinate units/formations are Army units/formations. You may be getting confused with COMD 1 DIV who double hats as COMD DJFHQ. Whilst under current arrangements COMD DJFHQ is always an Army appointment, the appointment is unambiguously a joint role. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 12:09, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Re: DJFHQ, yes, I knew that. But also yes, I was probably letting that colour my memory of the LCAUST arrangement. Yes, I'm now reminded of the situation, and I'm now confident that you are correct. Thanks for that! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:18, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

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Opinion[edit]

Hi, i would like to have your opinion about a discussion which i started here, thank.Kingroyos (talk) 23:01, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Bars to CSC & DSC[edit]

Australia does not follow the UK in using a rosette to denote bars to awards - So I believe. they use a miniature of the medal, star or cross of the award - Sorry, I don't understand. Could I bother you to enlighten me please? With thanks in advance, Pdfpdf (talk) 07:13, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

G'day Pdfpdf - long time no hear (then again I have only been around sporadically). Bars to Australian decorations (as opposed to long service award clasps) are, with the exception of the DSC (which uses a 5mm high silver federation star), denoted by a 5mm high miniature representation of the full size decoration on the ribbon bar. This is not to be confused with the half size miniature decoration (with ribbon) worn in evening dress. Regrettably the It's an Honour site does not spell out this level of detail however, for Defence related decorations, it is available at Defence Medals and, less accessibly for all decorations, in Michael Maton, The National Honours & Awards of Australia, Kangaroo Press, Sydney, 1995. The ribbon bar images I removed used a British style rosette which is not used on any Australian award. AusTerrapin (talk) 14:02, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, and G'day to you too!
long time no hear - yeah ... well ... I've discovered that the less often I open my mouth, the less often I put my foot in it ...
Bars to Australian decorations ... are ... denoted by a 5mm high miniature representation of the full size decoration on the ribbon bar. - Oh. So you did mean what I thought you were saying. Well there you go! (i.e. a) That's a surprise to me. b) You learn something new every day.)
Regrettably the It's an Honour site does not spell out this level of detail - Indeed it does not!
however, for Defence related decorations, it is available at http://www.defence.gov.au/medals - I don't disagree. But really? Where? (i.e. 1) I didn't find anything relevant on that particular page. 2) Can you provide some URLs to some examples please?)
The ribbon bar images I removed ... - Agreed. As I said above: "So I believe."
Again, thanks for the reply. Maybe I'm not (yet) "enlightened", but thanks to your reply I am certainly much better informed! Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Try: VC, SG, MG, DSC, DSM, CSC, CSM, NSC AusTerrapin (talk) 17:18, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Ah okay, I was unaware of that so I did assume, my bad. But I saw the need for their creation, and just did it based what what I thought I knew. Though looking at the CSC clasp for example, I can guarantee I cannot replicate that for WP. Though it is certainly a good pick-up on my mistake. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 22:21, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Nat, decorations don't have clasps - clasps are a feature of campaign and long service medals. In the Imperial / Imperial inspired systems, subsequent awards of a decoration are denoted by the addition of a 'bar' to the ribbon of the medal or miniature and a miniature device to the ribbon bar (a rosette for Imperial awards but, as discussed here and less the DSC, a miniature representation of the decoration in the case of Australian decorations). A further distinction between bars and clasps is spacing on the medal ribbon - clasps are worn one above the other starting from the bottom of the ribbon (excluding any taper where the ribbon passes through a loop). Bars are spaced evenly between the bottom and top of the ribbon - one bar is placed in the middle, two bars divide the ribbon into thirds, three divide it into quarters, etc. Pdfpdf (talk, PalawanOz (talk or myself may be able to create the necessary images. PalawanOz may be on an extended wikibreak as he doesn't appear to have edited since 2012. I am very busy at work at the moment (extending into my domestic hours) so it may be some time before I can take this on. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 15:34, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Slightly off-topic, but related ...[edit]

Regarding files DSC & Bar and CSC & Bar: Rather than deleting the pages, perhaps we can replace the images?? (In which case, it would be nice to "see" an example of what they "should" look like ...) Pdfpdf (talk) 13:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

(P.S. FYI: Sometime ("real soon") I will put a note on Nat's talk page alerting him to all this. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC))
See CSC and bar image. I agree that replacing the images is in order. I haven't been able to trace images of the others, however for the DSC, the federation star shape will be the same as that used in the design of the cross (which has more acute angles for the points compared to that used in some other contexts (eg fifth clasp for long service awards), whilst the NSC will have a thin border of silver (enamel devices rarely don't have a border and it is a necessary design element to distinguish the red enamel insignia from the red ribbon it is attached to - at least for the first bar). AusTerrapin (talk) 17:18, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

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Sue Black[edit]

So, do you think here publication should have publishers and ISBNs or not? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:42, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Not quite sure what you were getting at with the question. I have left these details out of the main text of the article as I did not see that as being useful to the casual reader's understanding of her body of work. The details are included in the citations where they are absolutely relevant - this information is for those who might actually want to look the work up. Having said that, if there is WP:MOS guidance that suggests more detail should be included in the list of published works, then I am happy for it to be updated in line with WP conventions. If you meant something else, you will have to enlighten me. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 17:53, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it's the list of publications. The excellent sourcing you have provided for each title makes those details slightly redundant, but most lists of books I see in articles have publisher, location and ISBN. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:58, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
I see you made some edits in between my earlier edit and most recent one. I didn't receive an edit conflict message so I am hoping that your changes were unaffected, but it may pay to double check. Cheers, AusTerrapin (talk) 18:02, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Haha, yes it always pay to check. :) Martinevans123 (talk) 18:04, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Here's the one I was asking about: [3]. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
That was left in as an oversight from the way I prepared the citation details (I copied in a string of citation text and then copied it into the relevant sections of the cite wizard before being deleted from the main article area - in this instance I missed deleting some info but caught up with it later). AusTerrapin (talk) 09:28, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Um, but I deliberately added those details as I thought they were required. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:51, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Well that would explain why I was a bit mystified when I saw it (at that point I hadn't realised someone else was editing the article and thought it was my ommision). AusTerrapin (talk) 10:22, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Apologies for any confusion. So do we want the details or not - or are the sources sufficient on their own? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
See my first comment - my view is unchanged. AusTerrapin (talk) 11:52, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
OK. I might open a discussion thread on whether WP:MOS should apply. No strong view. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:18, 19 January 2015 (UTC)