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Pearlasia Gamboa[edit]

Thank you for your note. It was quite surprising: I was unaware that I had closed it! I remember planning to close the discussion, deleting some while not-deleting others, but I got distracted, and when I returned, I was under the impression that I hadn't started the closing process. As far as I can tell, I completely forgot that I'd done anything, so I just left it for someone else to handle. I've unclosed it, so anyone can handle it, but I'll get it taken care of if someone else doesn't. Nyttend (talk) 18:52, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Deleted some and kept the rest. I've sent the following message to everyone who voted in the discussion. Last month, you participated in a deletion discussion for several redirects to Pearlasia Gamboa. All participants were in favor of deletion for several of them, but three were convoluted. The majority were in favor of deleting each one, but these three got one don't-delete each, and the whole discussion was difficult to assess; Bromley86 had a good description in calling it "this whole convoluted and, frankly, nuts area", and the two most helpful votes were split between deletes and don't-deletes. Since none of the redirects are outright harmful, I figured we'd get the best result if I just kept them and immediately relisted them; I've created new nominations for them at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 February 4, and your participation would be welcome. Nyttend (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Fusion music[edit]

Hello. I was thinking of redirecting "Fusion music" (now a deleted page) and "Fusion (music)" to the most logical category page Fusion music genres. Do you think this makes sense"? Wolfdog (talk) 23:04, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

I wouldn't create a cross-namespace redirect if there was an alternative. How about redirecting to Music genre#Fusion and tagging with {{R to section}} and {{R with possibilities}}? --BDD (talk) 23:09, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

February 2015 GOCE newsletter[edit]

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Category redirect[edit]

{{Category redirect}} adds categories with members to a tracking category. A bot then moves these members to the target category: this is useful functionality as future uses of that category will be resolved without the editor having to worry about the detail, or hunt down the correct category name (indeed often a red-linked category with the"obvious" name will have several members).

In this case moving an article from Category:People from Salem to Category:People from Salem, Tamil Nadu automatically is a bad idea.

We need a separate mechanism, maybe {{Category disambiguate}} which flags up items that need their content's categories disambiguating (arguably it's a type of diffusion from non-semantic parent categories).

All the best: Rich Farmbrough15:12, 12 February 2015 (UTC).

Ah, I see. I knew about that mechanism, but it hadn't occurred to me that disrupting it might be a good idea. I think in general it's not, that it would be like emptying a category before proposing it for deletion. In this case, the redirect is almost certain to be deleted, and you're right, we probably don't want anything tagged with "People from Salem" being moved there automatically. --BDD (talk) 15:15, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Afghan War move discussion[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:War in Afghanistan (1978–present)#Requested move 21 February 2015. Thanks. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:41, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Watch out[edit]

14 Feb hasn't run its official course yet (I done the same thing two or three times before, it's easy to do that by mistake). Thank you for your closes. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:11, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Is it customary to wait until a day has ended at TfD? I thought the proper etiquette was always just to wait 168 hours (7 x 24) since the nomination. In most cases, no one seems to mind as long as the closing day is 7 days beyond the nomination day, even if the times don't quite sync up. --BDD (talk) 20:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
No, I don't think anyone will mind, and the 168 hours interpretations seems reasonably valid, but - since I've done the same thing more than once by mistake in the past - I was just letting you know you were working from the non "old" days, in case you didn't notice. The convention is to wait until the day is up (and the bot moves the day to old), but I don't really object to ignoring convention when it's no big deal anyway. When I did close discussions on a day early, I didn't undo them, by the way, and I haven't heard any complaints. I can't imagine there will be any especially with the non-controversial outcome. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:19, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Good to know; I'll keep that in mind when I venture over to TfD. Since I rule RfD with an iron fist, whatever I say there goes. That's... about 50% a joke. I'm always hoping for more admins to become regulars there. Have you checked out our backlog lately? It's not nearly as bad as it has been in recent memory, and RfD offers stimulating discussion and the opportunity for finding articles that need to be written. And discussions often get backlogged just because I participate in them, and thus don't close them. --BDD (talk) 20:31, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
He, make you a deal. I do a couple of RfD's daily, you do a couple of TfD's daily, since recently I've become "the TfD admin", and I really don't like that for more than one reason. I'll see if I can do some RfD's tomorrow. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:35, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
I can take a crack at that. My main concern is that I really am not knowledgeable when it comes to merging templates, and I know that's a common enough outcome. I think I know regular merging better than most Wikipedians, but template merging is sort of a different animal, isn't it? One convenient thing about RfD is that the outcomes are almost never difficult to carry out technically. --BDD (talk) 20:37, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
TfD's that closed are merge are rarely enacted by the closing admin, we have WP:TFD/H for that (which is also heavily backlogged, but that's a different issue). In my opinion, the only tricky part with closing TfD's, is because quite often there are few participants, getting a feel when there is rough consensus to delete, as nobody really objects, or that the discussion hasn't shown consensus yet and should be relisted. Most TfD's are actually pretty easy to close, but not everything always happens in harmony - which makes it all the more important that it's not a one-admin-show. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:46, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh, that's very good to know. Generally, I like to be able to follow through myself, but I suppose moving things along is helpful even if I don't complete the whole thing. I'll make sure to make use of that. --BDD (talk) 20:48, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Well somehow dunno why my eyes hooked on this thread and I welcome the swapping idea. I'd welcome BDD in the TfD closers pool (very hot and steaming and bubbling right now!). Now I must think about how to make this a 100% or 0% joke experience. Welcome, I like editors who can think independently. I could learn. -DePiep (talk) 22:50, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
What's the RfD procedure for a redirect that has content in its history? Does RfD have mandate over that? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 10:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Generally, it doesn't matter how much history a redirect has. That will usually only matter if there's a merge involved and that history needs to be preserved. Most RfD participants will glance at a redirect's history, which is conveniently linked in a nomination, so they'll take that into account when they vote. --BDD (talk) 15:37, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

TfD hiccup?[edit]

You just have closed the deletion of Template:InChI (thanks; no issues by me the nom). However, I could not reach the relevant TfD section (eg, not via the editsummary link you added; try recreate/open) [1]. For our convenience: this is minor, and don't spend much time on it (I can do without the link). This is just for future mishaps. Or is it my lack of patience ;-) -DePiep (talk) 21:05, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Must be a quirk of the canned deletion summaries at TfD. I removed that day from the listing, which is why the link didn't work, though a bot would've done this soon anyway. I think you already know, but the link is here. --BDD (talk) 21:08, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
The delete link on the TfD would have filled in the correct summary automatically if you were navigation from Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 February 10 rather than Wikipedia:Templates for discussion. If you click the link from the page when you come back from the close edit, it'll be on the "right" page for the link to be correct. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:12, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh, strange. I'll have to remember that. --BDD (talk) 21:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of The Reformation (band) for deletion[edit]

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Manuel Santillan[edit]

Hi, I found this discussion about the origin of the name. I think the concept predates the Fabulosos Cadillacs, as illustrated by this 1905 cartoon. Thanks for you time --Fiestoforo (talk) 07:50, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. It looks like "San Tillán" there, and I can't find a reference to anyone by that name on this or the Spanish Wikipedia. Or is it supposed to be a satirical rendering of Santillán, juxtaposed with an image of a martyred saint. As you may have seen, someone on the Spanish Wikipedia said the character from the songs was fictional. But maybe he's more of a folkloric figure? We certainly have gaps in the encyclopedia, but I'd expect to see some trace of it if that were the case. --BDD (talk) 18:52, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


hi I'm crusader100 my name is Neil price you edited my page thank you would like to expand it if ok my 2 uefa cup games do not appear would like them too if poss also in the Managment section I achieved an Ismithian div 1 promotion in 1994 ? Also got to1st end FA cup in 1994-5 losing to Swansea 2-0 with Walton and Hersham fc also in 1995-6 again reached round 1 losing to Cardiff City with Hendon Fc also won Ismithian 2 with Hemel hempstead Fc in 99-2000 with 110 points could this be put in also worked for 8 years on bbc radio doing live commentary for Watford Fc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crusader100 (talkcontribs) 09:44, 23 February 2015

Hi Crusader100. I'm looking at Neil Price (footballer), and it looks like the UEFA Cup matches are mentioned ("At Watford he played two games in Watford's first (and as of 2012 only) season in the UEFA Cup..."). There's also mention of your time with BBC Radio. I can try to help mention some of those other things. Generally, we wouldn't say how many points a club got in a season, as that's a bit overly detailed. An exception would be if it were record-breaking—say, a high for the club or the league. Especially for living people, we do need reliable sources in articles. If you can link me to any online sources, I'll see what I can about incorporating them. --BDD (talk) 18:57, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Advice request on RM issue[edit]


Just wondering, if you have a spare moment, if you could take a look at Talk:Brian Kelly (U.S. soccer player), where I closed an RM, and the message left to me at User talk:Amakuru#Brian Kelly (U.S. soccer player)? According to me I read a fairly clear consensus that the move was desired, and that the majority favoured the move I closed it as. The user who wrote on my talk page is suggesting that I should give more weight to contributors who participate on WP:FOOTBALL, which I personally don't agree with - WikiProjects serve a very useful function, but they don't dictate policy. Anyway, let me know any thoughts you have on the matter. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 21:38, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Huh. I have several thoughts on this one. First of all, the suggestion that anyone's votes should be weighted higher due to their participation in a WikiProject is rubbish. I also categorically reject the suggestion that this Brian Kelly is the only soccer player by that name. A footballer and a soccer player are the same thing. WP:ENGVAR is fine, but we do and should disambiguate based on how readers are actually going to search. However, it does seem that there is a standard disambiguator that should've been used in this case—(American soccer). I understand your desire to default to the initially proposed title, but there also doesn't seem to be a good reason to deviate from naming conventions. Also, "U.S." isn't often used as an adjective in disambiguators for persons. Brian Kelly (American soccer player) might make more sense, but if Brian Kelly (American soccer) distinguishes him just as well (and I think it does), WP:PRECISE really seals it for me. Hope some of this is helpful. --BDD (talk) 00:31, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi again, and thanks for your help and advice on this. I put a feeler out on the talk page, which got enough agreement, and it is now moved to Brian Kelly (American soccer). This seems a good outcome. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 09:38, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Glad we were able to sort this out. --BDD (talk) 16:03, 28 February 2015 (UTC)