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Re: July 2014[edit]

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Re: July 2014[edit]

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Another request, Josh Smith needs another round of semi as the Rockets deal could take a few more days. DaHuzyBru (talk) 06:59, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Never mind. Twas made official :) DaHuzyBru (talk) 17:49, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Dead links[edit]

Hey, thanks for the heads up. I thought they could be deleted but good to know. Kante4 (talk) 19:44, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

No prob.—Bagumba (talk) 19:45, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Kevon Looney[edit]

Harrias talk 12:01, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Infobox NFL player redux[edit]

Bagumba, what would you think about completely removing the UFL stats options of the infobox coding? The UFL was never a pro football "major league" like the NFL or CFL, and, in fact, was expressly marketed as a minor league alternative and potential farm system for the NFL. No other major league sports template includes minor league stats, and this would be one way to reduce the size and complexity of an infobox that has become far too long, and far too complex. To my way of thinking, this is an easy call. What say you? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:13, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

No objection here.—Bagumba (talk) 22:15, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, B. I see this as a small part of the process necessary to get the length of this infobox under control. I will request Frietjes remove the UFL stats legacy coding on the template talk page. I'd be grateful if you would chime in with your endorsement.
Also, how do you feel about removing the debut year and final year fields from the template? This smells like a carry-over from the MLB player infobox; pro "debut" has much greater significance in MLB than the NFL. In the NFL, 90%+ of all players debut their rookie year, or they don't "debut" at all, unlike baseball, where most players play several seasons in the minors before appearing in the Show. To me, this looks like another good place to cut. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:10, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I deleted the UFL params. As for debut/final years, I'm ambivalent. The same info can be gathered from the team history. If others want it, perhaps a compromise would be to list it on one line as "Playing career: {{{debut year}}}–{{{final year}}}"—Bagumba (talk) 09:13, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
"The same info can be gathered from the team history." Exactly: this debut/final year information is redundant. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:39, 6 January 2015 (UTC)


Can we protect all the players in the rumored JR Smith, etc deal? Rikster2 (talk) 01:41, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Seeing this only now. Looks to be official now.—Bagumba (talk) 04:46, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
No problem. You've got a life too. Rikster2 (talk) 14:30, 6 January 2015 (UTC)


You removed the retired hidden category from the NFL infobox, Category:NFL Retired currentteam parameter articles. It is used to removed "Retired" from articles that use it., since Retired doesn't go in the infobox. I used it to update about 30 articles two days ago. Thanks. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 15:29, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: Sounds fair. It wasn't apparent before, especially after that recent edit to documentation encouraging editors to add "Retired". Thanks for the clarification.—Bagumba (talk) 23:04, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Bruno Caboclo[edit]

Hey. This same person keeps making new accounts over and over again with one edit each time with a goal to remove a perfectly fine, working reference every single time on Bruno Caboclo. Would you be able to semi-protect this page for a week or so to perhaps stop this person? An individual block would not work here, and it's getting stupid now. Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 06:03, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

1 month protection.—Bagumba (talk) 07:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

References Bruno Caboclo[edit]

Hey man, the 1st reference about Bruno Caboclo's life is completely untrue, as a Brazilian I can say that the things there are 90% false information, the guy who wrote the article is not a reliable source of information. I would like to erase that false piece of information from the page, however I cant do this, I'd grateful if you erase that reference for me.

Thanks, if need some help I'm here to help you ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaxy 10101 (talkcontribs) 17:15, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern. I invite you to raise the issue at the article's talk page, Talk:Bruno Caboclo, and get consensus for whether this is a reliable source. Also, would you happen to be the same editor, Reason 103 (talk · contribs), who earlier removed the reference you are referring to? Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 18:10, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks ! The new reference in the article is reliable now, the current link belongs to the brazilian government. And by the way i've never made any changes in the Bruno Caboclo's article, but as a guy who lives in Brazil, it was weird to see that link used as reference so I have decided to delete the wrong reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaxy 10101 (talkcontribs) 20:26, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Block evasion[edit]

Just a hunch, but I reckon this user is the same person as these users. Started on December 26, a day after DanLongly was blocked, with edits very similar and a similar style user name. Not saying there's been any wrong doing as of yet, but if my hunch is correct, isn't block evading a block straight away? DaHuzyBru (talk) 19:24, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I've had my eye on it as well. I would probably want a checkuser for lack of a smoking gun (so far). Feel free to open an WP:SPI if you want to expedite.—Bagumba (talk) 20:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
@DaHuzyBru: Here you go.—Bagumba (talk) 22:18, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Cheers, Bagumba. It's always easy to tell. DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:38, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm probably slightly conservative in calling people WP:DUCKs after this happened.—Bagumba (talk) 05:43, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Ideas for revamping Template:Infobox NFL player -- need your input[edit]

Bagumba, when you have some time, please take a look at this draft list of ideas for reducing the length of this infobox: [1]? You're only the second editor I've asked for your comments, but as a long-time sports editor I believe you should have some practical insights on getting our arms around this problem. I wanted to get the benefit of your experience before opening the subject for comments from a wider audience. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:55, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Do you mind if I comment at the sandbox itself? Be easier to start threads and avoid having to refer back and forth. General comment: When presenting to the community as a whole, it would be more effective to itemize the rationale for each item of change. Reduces the number of initial objections, which sometimes cripples well-intentioned (if not empirically good) proposal. Also, try to address what the anticipated objections might be.—Bagumba (talk) 02:25, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Go ahead. You're being treated as an insider for purposes of anticipating objections, etc., of the masses. The ideas will probably be substantially re-written before they are circulated generally to WP:NFL and WP:CFB editors. You're pretty good at poking holes in things; that's one of the reasons you're being asked up front, so we can anticipate points of resistance, etc. I'm probably a month away from general circulation. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:40, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Done (in case you didn't watchlist it)—Bagumba (talk) 03:50, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Your input is requested . . . .[edit]

Bagumba, the TfD for Infobox college football player has closed. We would like to get your opinion on the revised infobox template for college football players: [2]. After determining what data points to include, we'll recruit a template editor to handle the coding for us. Once we determine what fields we're adding and what we're deleting, then we'll work on the modified graphics. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:46, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Basketball positions[edit]

Extend PC time? --Gh87 in the public computer (talk) 01:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

@Gh87 in the public computer: A case could be made for semi, but I added another 3 mos of PC. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 01:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Nate Robinson[edit]

Greetings, this is the user formerly known as Hoops gza. Nate's page needs a fresh page protection. - Bossanoven (talk) 16:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)


I noticed for Steve Nash's page you semi protected it. I was wondering how one goes about semi protecting a page of their own? Also since Steve Nash is semi protected under your User, do you get notifications whenever someone edits it? Thanks Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 02:34, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "semi protecting a page of their own"? Technically, no one editor owns a page. If you meant how does one get pages protected, you can make protection requests at WP:RPP. I don't get any special notifications for having protected the page. I do have it on my watchlist, which you or any other editor can do as well.—Bagumba (talk) 04:12, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
What I specifically mean is when you go to edit Steve Nash's page for example, there is a red bar at the top saying Bagumba semi protected etc. Anyway thanks for the info. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 12:07, 20 January 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for blocking Bearxvi. However, since he only edited a handful of articles, according to his edit history, I was surprised that you did not revert them. I just reverted the last four.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:59, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: Thanks. I got sidetracked.—Bagumba (talk) 02:07, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion tags[edit]

Hi Bagumba,

Thank you for adding the tags onto List of National Basketball Association career franchise rebounding leaders and List of National Basketball Association career franchise assists leaders; it was the right thing to do. Just in case you didn't see, I took off the tag for List of National Basketball Association career franchise rebounding leaders because I added what I thought was needed. If you have any concerns leave me a message on my talk page. Robert4565 (talk) 02:37, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for discussing this. I still do not think it meets WP:LISTN, namely: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been." The sources that were added only seem to talk about the rebounding leader of an individual franchise, not the general group of all NBA franchise leaders. Keep in mind that pure stats lists, e.g. non-prose sources, are generally not considered sources for establishing notability; otherwise, we could have 1,000s of stats lists, which would conflict with WP:NOTSTATSBOOK. Unless you somehow agree and choose to self delete, I'll probably nominate this for WP:AFD and get others' opinions. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 04:12, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Baseball infoboxes[edit]

I noticed that in infoboxes for Major League Baseball catchers, the only statistics listed are batting average, home runs, and RBIs. How come a catcher's career hits are never listed in the infobox? If you know why, please let me know at my talk page. Thank you.—CelticsFan76 18:24, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

It's not anything specific to catchers. Generally only the triple-crown stats are listed. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Archive_39#Stats_in_player_infobox. You can discuss at WT:BASEBALL if you have suggestions.—Bagumba (talk) 00:04, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Damian Lillard and Mike D'Antoni[edit]

Hello, Bagumba. I am just wondering why you partially reverted my recent edit on Damian Lillard because it was an "unexplained introduction of extra column" as seen here. Same with Mike D'Antoni in the lead section when I changed "Italian-American" to "American-Italian" and you said because he was "born in US" as seen here. Here is my explanation: I see a lot of NBA pages formatted like that, so I decided to do some formatting to make it look "normal". Thank you. —Magicaluniverse (talk) 15:39, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for discussing this. Re: Lillard, your edit had a blank edit summary, so I boldly reverted as it didn't seem logical to introduce an empty cells in that row. This is not totally atypical; see Tim Duncan, which is a featured article. Surely other stuff exists that has the empty column, but if it was not there already, I see no reason to introduce new ones.—Bagumba (talk) 17:34, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Re: D'Antoni, since he was born in the US, it's common place to list one's ethnicity or dual citizenship before "American". See David Blatt, who is listed as Israeli American.—Bagumba (talk) 17:34, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. —Magicaluniverse (talk) 20:31, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

basketball biography parameters[edit]

Can you give me a little more background on this post? I don't understand the issues here or what is being suggested. I'd like to weigh in. Thanks. On a side note, I think we need to discuss guidelines for using the new "draft_league" parameter. There was a question about use of NBA vs ABA draft when a player was selected in both, and I have always had a concern that people would start using the D-League and CBA drafts when I don't think selection in these is particularly notable. Rikster2 (talk) 16:48, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

For the template stuff, can you be more specific on what needs clarification? I'm not a TemplateData expert by any means, but I think I understand what the issue raised was. You can comment at Template talk:Infobox basketball biography#TemplateData, in the event others have similar questions.—Bagumba (talk) 17:43, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
For "draft_league", you can WP:BB be bold and put it in the documentation and see if it sticks, or discuss at WT:BASKETBALL if you worried about it looking unilateral.—Bagumba (talk) 17:43, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

The Inside Corner : January 25, 2015[edit]

What's in the latest edition of WikiProject Baseball's newsletter:


Bagumba, the recent editing of this user bare watching: he is making wholesale, widespread changes to the national championship history of articles for various NCAA Division I sports programs and conferences, claiming some sort of mandate for uniform formatting and presentation of the national championship sections of these articles (see here for list of recent changes). I have reverted him twice on the Florida Gators article, requesting him to discuss these changes on the article talk page before implementing any further such "uniform" formatting in my edit summaries. These changes include the deletion of long-established consensus text and sourced footnotes, as well as numerous newly created MOS problems. He subsequently reinstated his changes, left a message on my talk page (see User talk:Dirtlawyer1#National team championships) and disappeared. My response on my user talk page urged Paulmec to please take this to the WP:CFB talk page. Obviously, someone claiming some sort of a mandate to implement widespread "uniform" changes with no supporting consensus and no prior discussion presents very real problems for WP:College football, WP:College basketball and WP:College baseball. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:56, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

As you've gotten at least one other interested editor at WT:CFB, I'll stay uninvolved for now. Let me know in the event an admin becomes needed. Good luck.—Bagumba (talk) 03:46, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Bagumba. I understand. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:55, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Some basketball pages that might warrant un-indefinite protection[edit]

I did a search of basketball player pages that have indefinite protection and created a list at User:Bossanoven/Basketball players. Some of these were apparently mishandled years ago in doling out indefinite protection, namely these four: Leandro Barbosa (because of a trade in 2010), Chuck Swirsky (only protected once, in 2009), Blaine Taylor (2011), Behdad Sami (2010). The rest are certainly understandable. - Bossanoven (talk) 20:19, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

The system ain't perfect, for instance Wilt isn't there and you protected that back in June. - Bossanoven (talk) 20:24, 26 January 2015 (UTC)