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Re: July 2014[edit]

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The Inside Corner : September 28, 2014[edit]

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Disruptive editor[edit]

Bagumba, thanks so much for blocking He was constantly violating WP:CRYSTAL and seems to be Zoran Dragic's personal PR guy. per WP:DUCK, can you also block User:AGreatPhoenixSunsFan? He tried to add Dragic to 2011 NBA draft as a notable undrafted player ([1]) despite that section explicitly stating "These players were not selected in the 2011 NBA draft but have played at least one game in the NBA." Jrcla2 (talk) 18:10, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Also - I just happened to look over his talk page history. Look at how many times he's been told the rules to adding players to all-time rosters and to categories! Not to mention other CRYSTAL-related editing. At a certain point, competence is required to edit Wikipedia, and this person (IMO) is not showing it. Perhaps a decently lengthed block to catch his attention? Nothing else will. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:19, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Pretty sure AGreatPhoenixSunsFan = Rikster2 (talk) 01:02, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I'd need to see a few more repeated examples to be comfortable calling it a duck. Feel free to go to WP:SPI for another opinion. I'm not available to look further right now.—Bagumba (talk) 03:39, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
@Jrcla2: I subscribe to practice that blocks are not WP:PUNITIVE. Since the IP hadn't been blocked before, hopefully the slap sets them straight. If not, subsequent action will be more severe. I didn't have time to dig deeper either, another reason I erred on being more conservative.—Bagumba (talk) 03:39, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Shaquille O'Neal[edit]

Are you f**** with me? Is it April 1 today? No? I can't believe what you reverted. [2]. Is it then typical to use the lowest quality photo? I won't revert you edit, but I will say - shame on you.--AirWolf talk 09:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Feel free to expand on what you mean by the subjective statement, "lowest quality photo". Reiterating my edit comment: "typically use the most recent photo, other one also has distracting hands of other people in it". Unfortunately, the edit summary of your original edit was an obscure "let's refresh template a bit". Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 17:10, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
200 dpi over 96 dpi says for itself, so I was very objective while stating that. If other hands are "distracting" there, what about people faces in the background of yours "chosen" one photo? Sorry if I have provided inappropriate edit summary, won't happen next time (see: Revision history). And finally, I am contesting you to give me where this came from: "(we) typically use the most recent photo". Have a nice day.--AirWolf talk 20:09, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Basketball_Association/Archive_25#Infobox_image_for_retired_players for prior discussion on images. If your affinity is for 200dpi, wouldn't File:Shaquille O'Neal Buckley Air Base.jpg be a better picture, as its an unclose portrait. At any rate, feel free to start a discussion at WT:NBA if you want to pursue this.—Bagumba (talk) 00:25, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Please, don't take my words out of context, the 200 dpi argument was a reply to your accusation of one of my previous arguments. Second, from what I read in given discussion, there really wasn't built a universal "rule" on this issue, there were just suggestions, with no clear consensus. So, the statement "(we) typically use the most recent photo" falls in the water. I won't be pursuing this, this whole discussion with you was just a matter of validity of your actions... in order to set some unwritten standards for such matter in the future. Cheers.--AirWolf talk 01:21, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Nigel Miguel[edit]

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hello bagumba, can you please correct Jordan Clarkson to read African American — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mizzou2013 (talkcontribs) 23:49, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

For protected pages like Jordan Clarkson, you can always click "View source" and then "Submit an edit request". For your proposed edit, you need to provide a reliable source for verifiability. Even if it was true, it would usually not go in the lead. Per WP:OPENPARAGRAPH, "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability."—Bagumba (talk) 22:36, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


Could you please block User: Repeatedly vandalizing [[Harrison Barnes}} despite repeated warnings. The user deleted several warnings, he's had 5 or so. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 01:14, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

YesYBagumba (talk) 03:41, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Dashes for two consecutive years[edit]

Where in English usage does it say that two consecutive years should be bridged with an endash? Typically that is 3+ years to show a range and two years is a comma. What is the basis for the existing convention for infobox basketball biography? Rikster2 (talk) 02:02, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

The discussion for using an en dash for consecutive years in the infoxbox (no distinction for 3 or more years) was in 2011 at Template_talk:Infobox_basketball_biography#Consecutive_awards_should_be_listed_with_a_dash_.28for_example:_2001.E2.80.932003.2C_2005.29_rather_than_listing_each_year_they_occurred_.28for_example:_2001.2C_2002.2C_2003.2C_2005.29. I looked back at a 2009 version of "List of NBA All-Stars" and it used dashes for any consecutive year range e.g. Clyde Drexler, David Robinson, etc. It seems to be the convention in most (all?) NBA articles. Baseball FA Derek Jeter lists "2009–2010" for his Gold Glove in the infobox.—Bagumba (talk) 03:15, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Right, but I'm not taking about Wikipedia convention, I'm talking about real-world usage. The endash is there to show a range and remove the need to list out interim information ("1986-1993" instead of "1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993"). With a two year repeat, there is no interim information that the endash would replace. Is there a style guide that mandates our current usage? I ask because I don't think it is correct. Rikster2 (talk) 04:05, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Not sure about other style guides. For that matter, not sure if any style guide explicitly prohibits it, WP:MOS included. At this point, it's already the convention in the bulk of WP:NBA articles, and seems like the convention is generally understandable to readers, not just a few Wikipedia editors or long-time WP readers.—Bagumba (talk) 04:30, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
  • And the answer is . . . WP:DATERANGE. FYI, a number of sports editors, including myself, GiantSnowman and Rikster, participated in the crafting of the current language of this MOS provision. In fact, Bagumba drafted the current exception to this rule that permits eight-digit year ranges for sports infoboxes. Short memories, guys.
FYI, the widespread use of the ndash came about when computers replaced typewriters and the ndash became an easily accessible typographical option. Previously, two hyphens were substituted for ndashes on a typewriter (vs. actual typesetters). Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:27, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh, and there is no MOS policy for how we list championship years or years of awards and honors in infobox parentheticals. The existing sports convention appears to be that we maintain separately listed years (with commas) for individual awards, but we use year spans (with ndashes) for team tenures. This is shown in the examples of infobox honors at Template:Infobox NFL player. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:36, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
The question is not WP:DATERANGE, per se, but whether the defacto practice of using endash for recurring annual events e.g. awards, should instead be listed with a comma while limiting en dash to spans of three of more years. My 2₵: Since a de facto WP:NBA convention already exists and it's a gray area at best whether a "real-world" practice exists to render the current practice utterly confusing, stick with status quo and avoid expanding our WP:BUREAUCRACY while concentrating on more egregious areas in WP.—Bagumba (talk) 17:40, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Wow, what a different perspective than chiding me that "Let's separate what we ideally want to display from the logistics of how it is implemented," when we were talking about jersey numbers in infoboxes. Rikster2 (talk) 18:11, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
"Chide" seems a bit harsh. The other case had a simple template change option to save work. I honestly didn't think about bots here, but cases of just deleting or renaming a named param, I imagine, are more straight forward to implement than this one. —Bagumba (talk) 18:25, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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International Career[edit]

I've noticed that the information in the International Career category is severely lacking. I mean only 1 line for two FIBA World Championships (now the World Cup)? We need to elaborate on what role he played in those 2 FIBA World Championships (or World Cups), cause he played a significant role in each one, especially 2014. Could you help with this? StephenCurry30Fan (talk) 18:21, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Which article are you referring to? We are all volunteers here. While, I put good time in 2014 United States FIBA Basketball World Cup team, I'll leave it for others to populate the individual bios. Feel free to borrow any info from there.—Bagumba (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't specify. It's the Stephen Curry article. There's only one line in his international career section. Thanks, StephenCurry30Fan (talk) 18:38, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Invitation for a discussion: Serbia national basketball team[edit]

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DYK for Nigel Miguel[edit]

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Interesting MOS discussion on date formats going on ...[edit]

Especially given all the rigamarole about eight-digit year spans in infoboxes. Take a look. Rikster2 (talk) 16:44, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Fuck. Again? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:50, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
People are advocating using eight-digit in more situations, not looking to roll back previous consensus. It's just funny. Rikster2 (talk) 16:54, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Outside of the carve-out for sports infoboxes the two of you fought for, the standard MOS year-span format is supposed to be YYYY-YY. The present discussion is being driven by the computer geeks' desire to sanction all ISO date formats, including YYYY-MM, which conflicts with YYYY-YY year spans. I'll keep an eye on the discussion, and let you know if veers off in a direction that potentially impacts the sports projects. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:05, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
WP:PROPOSAL needs to be cited more: "Most commonly, a new policy or guideline simply documents existing practices, rather than proposing a change to them."—Bagumba (talk) 23:30, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Reverting an incorrect category move[edit]

Someone apparently speedily moved Category:Tulsa 66ers players to Category:Oklahoma City Blue players, which is obviously incorrect because none of those players have ever played a game for "Oklahoma City Blues" name, plus it is the long established naming convention to keep historical names for which a player has participated. I can't tell who nominated it for speedy renaming but nobody caught it at CfR to object. As an admin, can you revert this move and get all of these players back into the Tulsa 66ers players category? Jrcla2 (talk) 15:48, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

The same goes for Category:Oklahoma City Blue coaches. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:49, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately, there is no easy way to restore this, even as an admin. As it was done by a bot, the simplest way seems to be to get a bot to reverse it. The charges were done by User:Cydebot, which is operated by admin User:Cyde. I would recommend you contact the admin to get a background on the rationale for the speedy move vs a discussion, and if the bot can reverse the changes.—Bagumba (talk) 19:53, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

College POY[edit]

You don't think the presentation is better with it as 'Consensus national player of the year'? Then it will fit on one line and it is saying the same thing as 'Consensus national college player of the year'. The award is an NCAA award; it's a given that it is college. (T23tran (talk) 22:47, 19 October 2014 (UTC))

There are also high school national POY awards. I don't see a wrapping issue, but that varies by monitor resolution. Wrappng is not the end of the world, but {{nowrap}} can optionally be used.—Bagumba (talk) 00:57, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


It seems odd to me that 'National player of the year' is not capitalized while conference player of the year awards are. Can you explain? (T23tran (talk) 12:58, 20 October 2014 (UTC))

I am not the final authority, but it seems to me that "MVC Player of the Year" (etc.) is the title of an award while "National player of the year" is a class of awards with names like the Wooden Award, Naismith Player of the Year, etc. Just my 2 cents. Rikster2 (talk) 14:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. "National player of the year" is not a proper name.—Bagumba (talk) 16:30, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
T23tran: Sorry to be repetitive, but I do suggest you familiarize yourself with the points I previously made as User_talk:T23tran#Capitalization, namely regarding MOS:CAPS—WP's guideline on capitalization which is based on "words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in sources"—and more specifically at MOS:NAMECAPS, the use of capitalization for proper names. If you still have questions, feel free to bring up specific points. Your response, "seems odd", frankly appears to be too general of a response for someone that might have intently read up on those guidelines. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 16:30, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Never being one to miss a grammar/syntax/spelling/capitalization debate, I thought I would jump in, guys. NPOY should be capitalized if "National Player of the Year" is all or a verbatim part of the actual award name. Otherwise, no. For example, if the award is the "Associated Press National Player of the Year Award," I think you can easily justify capitalizing an obvious abbreviation such as "National Player of the Year" in the infobox. If it's a paraphrase of the actual award name, it's problematic because capitalization is misleading as to the actual name. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:01, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Got it. My answer remains the same. Only one of these award names follows the NPOY naming pattern. Therefore, if you want to combine all NPOY's on the same line of the infobox honors, the description should not be capitalized. (Contrast how we combine all-conference and All-American honors, which share the same name for the honors regardless of the selector organization.) Clearly, such NPOY awards are noteworthy enough to have their names set forth in full in the main body text of the player articles, and they should be. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:40, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Agree, no caps. The link was for background only (not a subtle hint that you were mistaken).—Bagumba (talk) 18:52, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Also agree that, ideally, the specific awards are expanded in the body, or in a comprehensive list of all awards in a standalone section. This is the main reason I don't just uniformly remove them from the infobox unless I'm willing to relocate the detail in the body.—Bagumba (talk) 18:58, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Yankees-Red Sox edit[edit]

Hi, I saw your message regarding the Yankees-Red Sox edit. You said that unsourced information was published and therefore you removed it. Would you be able to tell me what the unsourced information was? All I cited was that both teams missed the playoffs for the first time since 1993. That is in the title of the article so therefore it's a citation. Not sure what's going on. Appreciate the comment. Thanks. (talk) 18:27, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for discussing this. While you did you cite for verifiability, it doesn't seem that parts of your edit are explicitly stated in the citation e.g. "sign of respect to the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry" and "rare sign of admiration". Feel free to reword it to reflect the source, or find add additional sources that support your text. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 18:48, 20 October 2014 (UTC)