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Hello, Bahooka, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions, especially what you did for Certified Public Accountant. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. This is in regards to behavior related to User:Canstusdis not yours, but you were involved with.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 13:02, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

When I went to notify User:Canstusdis I noticed that User Adjwilley had already started an "Incidents" noticeboard page, here on this issue. So the one I made is redundant. I have moved my comments to That page. My apologies.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 13:36, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Why did you revert my change to Audi A5?[edit]

Why did you revert my change adding an external link to:

It contains very nice per model specifications hard to find otherwise. At least I didn't see a comparable one. I see you have pointed out WP:ELNO but I don't think any of these apply. I also see this is a site for offering car leasing but what can I do about that. I'm not involved in any way with them, I'm not in a country that can use their services. We can't ban any business web site just because it's business and they offer something. They have a good resource we use it. That's all.

Akostadi (talk) 16:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your question. That link is not acceptable under #5 as an "Individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services". The A5 specifications can be found on the official Audi website, so this car leasing site does add any value other than advertising for that leasing company. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Amendments to content on 'Allard'[edit]

Please can you clarify why you feel the Trademark 'TM' should not be shown on Wikipedia, when it is legally owned by Allard Motor Cars Ltd, your continued deletion of my rightful annotation is not warranted or fair, and serves to confude rather clarify the legal position of this company? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:06, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

As I've noted multiple times, please read WP:TRADEMARK. As this is an encyclopedia, that symbol is not used on Wikipedia. Thank you for discussing it, and if you start using edit summaries that would be helpful in understanding your edit. Further discussion of this topic is best addressed at Talk:Allard. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 21:37, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Consolidate refs[edit]

Greetings, Bahooka! That's a neat bit of cleanup you did on Nick Turse. Looks like a more advanced level than I'm up to learning, but it's good to know the possibility exists. -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 20:03, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. If you ever want to try it out, you can find the instructions at Help:Referencing for beginners#Same reference used more than once. Best, Bahooka (talk) 20:09, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Wowee, yes, I will do that, starting from THE beginning. Being a hacker at heart, I scoff at manuals (even though I've written my share), so I've gotten along by copying other editors' syntax in a haphazard but adequate manner. Now I humbly admit I'm willing to put the time into learning the props so I can move forward with confidence and get better-than-adequate results. -- Thanks again, Deborahjay (talk) 14:55, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Nick Turse[edit]

Thanks for your work on this article. Chisme (talk) 15:40, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Likewise. I'm mainly just doing some Wikignome stuff, but you are doing the heavy lifting in an article that clearly needs help. Cheers, Bahooka (talk) 15:48, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, although it's hard to do the heavy lifting when the things you lift keep getting knocked back to the ground... Chisme (talk) 19:35, 14 October 2013 (UTC)


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New to this[edit]

Thanks for reverting my changes bro, I was trying the editor out, then didnt know how to change it back! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PersonificationOfArrogance (talkcontribs) 23:19, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

What does your edit summary "See WP:RfC" mean?[edit]

Nothing there would seem to support your actions, so please explain your rationale.--Ubikwit 連絡 見学/迷惑 16:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I quoted WP:RFC which states that "Feel free to ask people not to add threaded replies to the survey section." I set up the RfC specifically with separate sections per the example in WP:RFC. If you want to discuss aspects of the RfC, it goes in the Threaded discussion area, not the Survey. Bahooka (talk) 16:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
I have found that statement on the policy page under "Example", where it says "feel free to ask...". I'm not sure that means you have the right to impose the type of rigid format your are attempting to do, insofar as it proscribes direct response to a lengthy statement made in the survey section. Just because you have the right to "ask", doesn't mean you have the right to impose, and the reasons stated for adopting such a format are not applicable in the case of this RfC, which has a very low response rate. In fact, by moving my response to Gaijin to the "threaded discussion" section, you are making it more difficult for people to follow the discussion, not easier to read.--Ubikwit 連絡 見学/迷惑 16:26, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
We clearly disagree on process. A third party will have to determine if you can put comments wherever you want to on an RfC or if you should stick to the structure initially set up. Bahooka (talk) 16:29, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


Given your response at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Inmate_parent, can you please comment and clarify that you understand the context of the clarification request.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:50, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. The additional info does not change my opinion that the incarceration status of the parent is not relevant to the subject of the article. Bahooka (talk) 19:54, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Comment requested[edit]

Since you are now actively editing, please participate at Talk:List of Los Angeles Unified School District people#Photos and Talk:List of Los Angeles Unified School District people#Edit warring; image. --Lexein (talk) 03:53, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I certainly don't agree with edit warring, but have no strong feelings one way or the other on including Farmar's image. What is well-known to one person may not be well-known for another. I had never heard of him, but he's notable enough for a WP article. The only way to include everyone's image is to change the format to a table. Unless you do that, the current formatting will require making decisions about whose image should stay and whose should go. Most lists I've seen like this include only the most well-known to the greatest number of people. I don't think that includes Farmar, but I may be wrong. Bahooka (talk) 04:00, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Errors and limitations in Car classification article[edit]

Hello, I am a journalist and I noticed some errors in this article, for example the Fiat 500 is NOT a supermini/subcompact car, but a 3 doors only CITY CAR that is 45cm shorter, 11cm less wide than a classical subcompact : the first Fiat 500 & the Mini were described as "micro-city-car" 40 years ago, known today as "city cars" : official segments for Fiat 500 is A0 and now the classic Mini is A1. Fiat 500 is definitely NOT in the same segment than Opel Corsa = subcompact.

There are several other mistakes, like "Citroen Type C" => ?? This old car of 1922 is not a city car anyway.

I noticed also, that only Ford, GM, Chrysler, Tata, VW & Japanese cars are mentioned, whereas for examples lignates like Mégane, Clio are SOLD AT 15 MILLIONS & 20 MILLIONS UNITS IN 80 COUNTRIES and so worth to be mentioned, as well as the other cars that I added. In dozens of countries in Europe, Africa, South America, Russia if you say "Clio" or "208" then people UNDERSTAND IMMEDIATELY WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE SUBCOMPACT SEGMENT. The same for Citroen C4, Peugeot 308 and Renault Mégane, for the compact segment, sold from China to Germany, from Moroco to Russia. Etc. So not mentioning them is irrelevant.

The wikipedia articles in English have to be international and not only focused on some limited targets, don't you think so ?

I can make a long list of arguments, but as example the BBC "Top gear" magazine, shown worldwide elected the Citroën DS3 as best supermini and also awarded the DS5 etc. The Peugeot RCZ roadster that won the Pikes Peak race in 2013 as prototype is sold from Australia to Argentine etc. So not mentioning them is irrelevant.

Have a nice day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:18, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

It looks like you are just adding a lot of French cars to the list. These lists are not supposed to be an exhaustive list of all autos in the classifications. You may want to discuss any article shortcomings at Talk:Car classification. Bahooka (talk) 23:25, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Chrysler 200[edit]

Don't anger me. (talk) 06:32, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Bahooka (talk) 06:41, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

you're obviously getting this information from somewhere, please cite the source[edit]

Bit i already cite the sources, for exemple for 2002 SEMA Show i add 4 sources where i found this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GENR12 (talkcontribs) 20:45, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

The way you've formatted it, only four vehicles appear to be referenced. If those references are for ALL the 2002 vehicles listed, then you should probably use the citation for each one, or cite the reference in a introductory sentence to the section. Bahooka (talk) 21:39, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

then you should probably use the citation for each one

Then be 100+ citations for each year of show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GENR12 (talkcontribs) 21:45, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Let me show you a trick to keep the citations under control. Check out the SEMA page in a little bit. Also, WP:Verifiability is a policy of Wikipedia, which is why we need to have references. Bahooka (talk) 21:52, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
I started adding citations. As you can see in the references section, only one reference shows but the individual vehicles are all cited. See WP:CITE for more information. Hope this example helps and you can continue on. Bahooka (talk) 22:01, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for undoing my Paul Walker edit, dope[edit]

I undid your undiding. :D Next time, please don't think you know more. You don't. (Note that this post is good natured in origin. Thanks. ;D) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottwindcrest (talkcontribs) 04:00, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

No problem with you reverting me, I can see it either place. Bahooka (talk) 04:05, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


Could you stop reverting my edits? Or I'll have to report you.--Lupininterelps (talk) 19:47, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

It looked like you were just reverting the edits of User:Adjwilley, because those edits did not appear to be vandalism. However, I don't want to get into an edit war so I won't revert those again. Bahooka (talk) 21:31, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


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BYU Honor Code[edit]

Just for your reference, in the ongoing issues in this article, PonderosaPineapple and are the same user. Given the recent efforts to again focus on these edits, it seems possible that is the same user, different address. ChristensenMJ (talk) 16:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, that definitely looks to be the case. Bahooka (talk) 16:53, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Joseph Smith[edit]

Before making the edit, I made a post on the talk page explaining several reasons for the edit. I asked if anyone wants to revert, to please address the reasons on the talk page before doing so, as per WP:BRD. You reverted my edit without explanation. I ask you to please go to Joseph Smith talk page and address the reasons. Thank you. GreyWinterOwl (talk) 14:27, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I explained why in the edit summary. I was reverting because of the WP:BRD process (your removal was the "B"). By the way, please review the talk page archives of the article because that sentence has been there awhile after a consensus was reached. It was both a good and a featured article with that wording. Bahooka (talk) 14:33, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Gabriel Guarin[edit]

I think it's fair to at least call the Cadillac ELR a sport compact because early when the page for it was first being posted it was considered a sports car. I ask for permission to have it kept as sport compact. Thank you. GaGu13 (talk) December 20, 2013184.76.104.15 (talk) 02:47, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Cite a reference from a reliable source stating it is a sports compact. And please sign in when you are editing. And use an edit summary. Bahooka (talk) 06:08, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

A Tesla Roadster for you![edit]

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VW Golf MK1 - good faith changes reverted[edit]


Can you please explain why you reverted the "good faith" changes I made to the VW Golf Mk 1 page, i.e. adding an "In popular culture" section. Many pages have such a section, so what was wrong with what I did?Simoncrossuk (talk) 08:02, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

As I noted in my edit summary, please review WP:WPACT which specifically addresses "In popular culture" sections in automobile articles. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 15:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Duly done and noted. Thanks. Personally I have always found the popular culture section interesting and never yet seen one that has deteriorated as per the guidance. Hey ho. Simoncrossuk (talk) 21:39, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

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University of Southern Maine[edit]

Hello, Bahooka. I am an employee of the University's Department of Design and Marketing Branch. I made changes to the University of Southern Maine's Wikipedia page because Tracy St.Pierre, the head of this department, has requested that I update information. If you have any more questions, please feel free to contact Ms. St.Pierre at: Thank you for your concern, Darian Kopka — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darian.kopka (talkcontribs) 20:39, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

You have been asked by a number of editors to stop making those changes to the University of Southern Maine. I'm afraid Ms. St.Pierre does not understand how Wikipedia works. Please see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Bahooka (talk) 20:49, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Thomas S. Monson lawsuit[edit]

Hello. I was glad to see you agreed with me that the lawsuit against President Monson was too frivolous a matter to be mentioned in his WP article. Now that view is under direct attack from the user who posted a request to have it included. Short of discussing the issue, he is resorting to personal attacks that are unbecoming any self-respecting WP editor. I respectfully ask for your support in proving that this is a frivolous lawsuit and not worth mentioning on WP. If this user sees that I'm not the only one with this opinion, he might change his tune. And admittedly, I could use as many people in my corner as I can get. Thanks for your help. Please post on the article's talk page or reply on my talk page, as I don't routinely check other user's talk pages for a response. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 03:55, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Your username[edit]

Are you named for the late, lamented, restaurant in Rosemead, CA?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I visited it shortly before it closed and liked the name (and the tikis.) Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 04:53, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Ah, cool. I really miss that place. Not to mention the fish.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 05:22, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Et voilà: Bahooka.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 22:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Fantastic! And I took a picture of Rufus that I can upload to the article. Bahooka (talk) 00:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
I was hoping so! I have one but it's on a SD card from an old phone that's in a box on top of my refrigerator somewhere, so it's effectively unattainable.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:06, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

AutoZone page[edit]

Hello Bahooka, I just would like to edit AutoZone page to add some positive changes about AutoZone within a couple of years. I have noticed that there contains a lot of negative news about AutoZone on its wiki page, which is OK since Wiki is an open website. HOWEVER, it is interesting to find out all the negative messages were added by AutoZone's competitor - Advanced Auto Part (Yea I traced the IP address to locate them). Do you think it is a fair play? Plus I have checked Advanced Auto Part and all other competitors' Wiki pages and I did NOT find a single negative message about them there. Do you think it was someone who just did it to AutoZone?

Plus I have added AutoZone's value and pledge with a reference, but it was reverted again. Because of possible vandalism? This is the values that AutoZoners have been working for years and AutoZone has published the values and pledges everywhere. To me it seems that any positive messages about AutoZone can not be added and any negative ones can not be deleted. Is it a fair play?

By the way talking about possible vandalism, I don't believe AutoZone is second-largest retailer and Advanced Auto Part is the largest, depending on comparing them from different perspectives. And the reference to that statement was from AutoZone annual report in 2012, WHEN AutoZone was the largest one. I know Advanced Auto Part people tried to claim they are number one after its acquisition in 2013. However, not in 2012 from the reference.

I appreciate your hard work on maintaining the pages. I really think we should not fight on this page. The companies should pay more attention on how to serve customers better rather than how to put negative messages to their competitors' wiki pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocwsrf didi (talkcontribs) 16:53, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Rocwsrf didi. The only thing I did was restore the content that had third-party sources supporting it. An automated bot reverted your second edit, and clearly you were not vandalizing. However, mission and value statements are generally not included on Wikipedia per WP:MISSION. The article should remain neutral, and that means both positive and negative content should be there as long as they are supported by reliable sources, usually a third part such as a newspaper or magazine. Also, if you work for AutoZone, you should read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest to make sure everything is done properly. I hope this helps as you begin to edit on Wikipedia and wish you the best. Regards, Bahooka (talk) 17:04, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Fred Phelps[edit]

Please explain why you reverted my changes to Fred Phelps--RadioFan (talk) 00:58, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Sure. Per my edit summary here, I removed the internal link you added to a quotation per MOS:QUOTE. Bahooka (talk) 01:40, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Cal State Bakersfield is NOT Acceptable[edit]

You said you can Google Cal State Bakersfield and that is seems to be shorthand for CSU Bakersfield. I can Google the University of South Central and it comes up University of Southern California. Does that mean that's acceptable? No. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yutaka731 (talkcontribs) 19:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Cal State Bakersfield is common and not a pejorative term (unlike University of South Central or University of $poiled Children.) This encyclopedia is to help people learn more about the subject, and the use of common names is one of the ways to do that. That is even the case when the official style guide does not use the common name. I recommend you have this discussion at Talk:California State University, Bakersfield#Cal State Bakersfield. Another editor has already started a discussion there. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 19:35, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


I patrolled your page. I went through the enormously-backlogged list of newly-created pages and confirmed that your page was okay: not spam, not an attack page, not a copyright violation, not any of the other reasons for which I would delete someone's page without asking. Then I clicked "patrolled" to remove it from the list of "pages that have not yet been patrolled", and moved on to the next entry. That's all. DS (talk) 16:44, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Finding a reference[edit]

OK, I should try finding a reference for now. Thanks for letting me know. (talk) 17:40, April 13, 2014 — Preceding undated comment added 16:40, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

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My use of Minor edit[edit]

Its because I always assumed it was one alright and the reason I edited the Taurus because it did replace the Five Hundred & Crown Victoria as the full size model after the Five Hundred was renamed that, and also the midsize Fusion replaced the midsize version. Give me an example of edit summaries I want to know in a nice way and I ain't no vandal and one more thing about my profile I'm no homosexual because 2 trolls edited that in 5 years ago. I removed that since they have no respect they are just jerks. I would had admitted to be an homosexual too if anyone does that to my profile again I would want them banned.

Red Polar Bear Ranger (Red Polar Bear Ranger) 03:42, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

My comment on your edit here is that your addition was unsourced. If you would like to read it, please include a reference per the WP:Verifiability policy. Regarding the use of minor edits, your contribution history shown here shows the use of "minor edit" as the edit summary on almost all your edits, including ones further back. Please add a more descriptive edit summary to help out other readers. Help:Edit summary gives more guidance on this. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 03:54, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


--Audiluver (talk) 15:11, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Why did you revert my post?

See my edit summary here. The original capitalization was correct per Wikipedia's WP:Manual of Style. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 15:15, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Audiluver (talk) 15:19, 24 April 2014 (UTC) But if it stands for something don't you capitalize it?

It is not a proper noun, so no. By the way, the four tildes go after your comment as your signature, not before the comment. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 15:21, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh, oops thanks! Audiluver (talk) 15:29, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you![edit]

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Here's a barnstar for all your Audiiting Ha Ha!!! d8) Audiluver (talk) 15:41, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I hope you got my joke, I live in a family of puns.Audiluver (talk) 16:05, 24 April 2014 (UTC) If I edit something why does it say something like +58? Audiluver (talk) 16:06, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Got it! And I'm not quite sure what things like +58 mean, sorry. Size of the edit, maybe? Bahooka (talk) 16:10, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

If you go to your own contributions page you will see it to the left of the time and date. Audiluver (talk) 16:50, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh, there. That is the number of bytes (basically characters in the English Wikipedia) added or subtracted by your edit. See Wikipedia:Added or removed characters. Bahooka (talk) 16:53, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. Audiluver (talk) 17:02, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


Kitten's friend barnstar.png Friend
thanks for helping me and giving me tips. Audiluver (talk) 18:41, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

How do you add a picture? Where do get it from? Audiluver (talk) 01:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC) Hey how do you make a picture smaller size? Audiluver (talk) 12:40, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

A helpful guideline on images can be found at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images. Good luck, Bahooka (talk) 14:40, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the fixing my pictures . Audiluver (talk) 15:18, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Vivint page[edit]

I think the class action in introduction is appropriate as it should be a condensed summary of the page... The fact that a class action was certified is relevant. A class action certification is a big deal and said classes can affect hundreds of thousands...I am sure that there will be many more class actions against Vivint in the future.

As a matter of fact another one is starting in California...

The vivint page is written like a fluff news piece BTW.

Cnolon (talk) 20:10, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Cnolon, this topic is better addressed at the article talk page rather than my talk page. I set up the section at Talk:Vivint#Sentence in lead section on April 17 to discuss this very topic. Please take this discussion there so others can weigh in. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 20:19, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect application of boosterism criteria[edit]


I noticed you have been excessively and blindly eliminating all mention of rankings in the lead section of academic institutions. Read the boosterism page closely:

Assert facts, including facts about opinions, but do not assert the opinions themselves. Editors should not be trying to "sell", "spin", or otherwise convince readers of the quality of the school. "One of the" and "widely recognized" are canonical weasel words: how many are among the best, what specific recognition, best on what criteria, how recent in the recognition, etc. If the statement can't stand without weasel words it lacks a neutral point of view. If a college or university was ranked 4th internationally in the most recent Academic Ranking of World Universities, state exactly that rather than contorting it into non-neutral and non-verifiable statements like those above.

As long as a phrase simply states the rankings objectively as a matter of fact (without peacock words), it does not contravene any Wikipedia guidelines. Also, there is NOTHING to suggest rankings cannot or should not be included in the lead section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Modifiersnnz (talkcontribs) 10:22, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

  • Also, if you persist in making subjective edits targeting particular pages, I will get the moderators involved (I have several friends who have full privileges on Wikipedia).
The WP:BOOSTERISM guideline states that ""do not use rankings in the lead as these are specific facts that should appear later in the article." I have quoted that in edit summaries. Your edit has been reverted twice by other editors, too. You may want to learn more about how Wikipedia works before threatening me. This comment on my talk page appears to be your very first edit. This seems unusual, so you may also want to review WP:SOCK and WP:MEAT. Bahooka (talk) 13:53, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Bahooka, Your approach to the problem is in my opinion exactly correct. Dealing with this sort of material is a constant problem. It does have to go somewhere, because it is verifiable and relevant, and usually represents an informed judgement. It does however not belong in the lede, if only because it is overbalance. (not that we admins have any particular jurisdiction over content disputes, but we do enforce the rule about promotionalism ). If you have any difficulties with editors who do not understand this after it is explained to them, please just let me know directly on my user talk page, and I'll deal with it in a day or two. DGG ( talk ) 02:33, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Excellent work[edit]

You've been doing an excellent job with the Wharton articles. I think their current list of alumni is the cleanest of all such pages in WP--thanks primarily to you. DGG ( talk ) 02:35, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Wow, thanks. That made my day. I appreciate it a lot. Bahooka (talk) 03:44, 3 May 2014 (UTC)


Due to the influx of Altimgamr socks attacking here, this page has been protected for 12 hours. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:37, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 13:40, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 6[edit]

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WP:NOPRICES on Mitsubishi Magna[edit]

Hey there, just read WP:NOPRICES and like anything else, I note it is not mandatory so I thought I would leave this on your page to explain the undo shortly.

  • An article should not include product pricing = "should not" does not mean "must not"
  • unless there is a source and a justified reason for the mention = I will add the source, which I did not realise was needed
  • Prices and product availability can vary widely from place to place and over time = OSX made this point and thanks to his feedback, this is why I included only prices AT LAUNCH on the AUSTRALIAN home market for this car and only for the FIRST SERIES of each model
  • Wikipedia is not a price comparison service to compare the prices of competing products = this doesn't apply because this car is discontinued and no longer for sale.

But the main reasons for the UNDO are that:

  • with your Undo, the text now does not make sense (e.g. where the price was for the "manual", you just left it as showing that the specific version was only available as a manual, when an automatic was also available... removing just the price won't fix the sentence)
  • There were previous prices, and with my additions, there is now consistent and factual price information for ALL models of this car and not just some.

If you don't agree, raise this in the article Talk page may be? Or amend the WHOLE article so that it makes sense! But careful for examples like the above... your amended sentences aren't accurate or correct now just by removing the price unfortunately.

Cheers :) Editoriummm (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't think prices on this vehicle are notable and, as you now recognize, are unsourced. Sorry if it affected the wording, and I won't be hitting undo on this, but I think there should be a consensus on why the prices are necessary (even with citations from a reliable source). Does anyone agree that WP:NOPRICES, a Wikipedia POLICY, does not apply here? Bahooka (talk) 17:05, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
(ec) Also, I just copied this content over to the article talk page so other editors will join in the discussion about prices. Bahooka (talk) 17:11, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Sorry was putting this while you were editing! What would be the easiest way to quote/reference a magazine price list please? I can address that unless prices get removed... OSX suggested including a price range instead but I managed to painstakingly find each right one through my mountain of magazines... hope it's not wasted effort lol Editoriummm (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
This would be better discussed at the article talk page, and I have copied the section there. Bahooka (talk) 17:11, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

reporting abuse[edit]

i did not like the comment you left on my page. i will be reporting you to wikipedia for abuse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nynj450 (talkcontribs) 22:10, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay. It is the standard wording when someone copies and pastes content from a web page (even if there are very small differences.) See WP:COPYVIO. You were warned about it before as can be seen in your user talk page history. Bahooka (talk) 22:17, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library: New Account Coordinators Needed[edit]

Hi Books & Bytes recipients: The Wikipedia Library has been expanding rapidly and we need some help! We currently have 10 signups for free account access open and several more in the works... In order to help with those signups, distribute access codes, and manage accounts we'll need 2-3 more Account Coordinators.

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I mistakenly thought you were reporting me on the admin board. I didn't read it close enough. I'm very sorry. Magnolia677 (talk) 03:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

No problem! Bahooka (talk) 04:34, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


Re: Reference does not state anything about falsely and erroneously, and forum posts are not reliable sources. (TW)

What's your problem?

If you had actually looked at the ref links you would see that 2GIG developed/designed the Go2.0 panel in 2011/2012.


Then Vivint claims it is their panel, that they in fact recently (as of June 2014), developed and designed it themselves. (Claiming to develop and design a 2GIG panel that had previously existed for Two years, and which was the winner of the 2012 security expo, and Maximum impact awards...makes this claim of Vivint's (to have developed and designed the "sky panel") false and erroneous.

"With Vivint Sky, we have created a truly human smart home system that learns from you.

The Vivint SkyControl panel features completely redesigned hardware and software developed by Vivint, including a larger touchscreen and an elegant new operating system that makes it easy to gain insights into the home..."


Even a fool can see the panels are identical... (Vivint also claimed that the 2GIG GoControl panel was theirs)

2gig Go2.0 (2012 image)

Vivint Sky panel (2014 image)

Cnolon (talk) 15:36, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Cnolon, go right ahead and file a complaint. You may want to review the following policies and guidelines first: Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources for the use of forum posts as a reference, Wikipedia:No original research (particularly WP:SYNTHESIS) for stating your own conclusion about falsely and erroneously claiming something, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for being the admin of the forum you are using to support your edits (per this edit that you blanked, and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view as you've stated that it is your "mission to educate others regarding Vivint". Bahooka (talk) 15:37, 11 July 2014 (UTC)


Hello, Ma'am/Sir! I'm Nkrm01 and I world want to thank you for the message and the suggestion that you made on my Wikipedia account. God bless and more power! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nkrm01 (talkcontribs) 19:11, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome and hope you enjoy editing Wikipedia. Bahooka (talk) 19:16, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 7[edit]

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[Hobby Lobby] Funding Abortion in China[edit]

I have discussed on talk and I have posted to the users talk pages. I have addressed the concerns I can with edits and I have addressed concerns by discussing my position. I have gotten no responses. Does that make the discussion if over? Does that mean the users don't care they stand by their choice? It is a little disconcerting to understand how to get meaningful relevant information posted when it is clearly information the party would prefer to sweep under the rug. If you have any suggestion about how to handle this I am hoping you are not like the others and you will respond. OneHandClap (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:32, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

The consensus on the talk page (and in edit summaries) appears to be to not include your content on the encyclopedia article. Please stop putting it in the article against consensus. And other editors HAVE responded (see here, here and mine here). You have a lot of links on your talk page as part of your welcome. I recommend you read them, especially WP:NPOV and WP:CONSENSUS. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 16:47, 4 August 2014 (UTC)


And yes, User:GENR12, each entry needs a reference per WP:Verifiability. That unsourced content you keep adding should stay out until you are willing to cite where you are getting it. I'm not sure where you are getting the information or why you refuse to cite it. Bahooka (talk) 15:10, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

1) But i add references (2004-2014 year it's not mine redact - i just restore it). 1 or 2 reference for each year where you can see all of debuted cars, not only the one car that near reference link.

For example: Chevrolet Suburban Show Truck "1999 New York International Auto Show". 

If you go to you can see not only Chevrolet Suburban in this reference, but and many another cars from this year auto show.

2) each entry needs a reference per WP:Verifiability

Each entry - not each word. Entry for example is 2005 year report, not the "2006 Chevrolet Malibu". — Preceding unsigned comment added by GENR12 (talkcontribs) 15:26, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I showed you how to properly do this last November (scroll up on this page for our earlier discussion on references). I will try to show you again using the sample link you gave me. But unless the vehicle has a source, it needs to stay off the page. Bahooka (talk) 15:30, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Why do you think that duplicate equally links for each car like you did - it's what WP:Verifiability needs? Where you see this in rules? Duplicate same links - looks totally pointless, do you really think that users can't go to ONE reference and see all cars? It's only your personal opinion, there is no strong recommendations in rules for situations like this, and each entry - don't means each word and each car.

Please forgive for mistankes in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GENR12 (talkcontribs) 15:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

If the citation is next to one car, the citation is for that particular car. Each entry stands on its own (unless there is an opening sentence containing the reference for everything in the section, but that is not the case in this article.) The duplicate entry template is used for that reason. Read also WP:Source list. If you still disagree with me and other editors that have been telling you the same thing, see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Bahooka (talk) 16:04, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

In this case there is a list of debuts and introductions, simple the list of car names, not a standard encyclopedic text. References must be of course, but i mean that no strong rules in WP:Verifiability (and all others) for this kind of content, no such rule that "each car in list of debuts must have reference". GENR12 (talk) 16:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

It looks like you disagree with everyone else editing the auto show articles and you should use the dispute resolution steps I mentioned to show why you think your interpretation of Wikipedia's policies and Manual of Style is correct and others are wrong. Bahooka (talk) 16:21, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

"It looks like you disagree with everyone else editing the auto show articles"

Who is "everyone else editing the auto show articles"? But if you look on another auto show topics (for example - you can see that there is no each car in list of debuts have reference and it's normal. GENR12 (talk) 16:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

User:Warren Whyte and User:Vossanova also edit auto show articles and use the proper approach of referencing each vehicle. Look at LA Auto Show and North American International Auto Show for examples of how this is done. Bahooka (talk) 16:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

But you and everyone else who want can add references in way that you want at any time. And anyway this auto show reports has a lot of references. In any case there is no such rules violations that must results for deleteion. And of course no such many mistakes, does not make sense delete content without a lot of mistakes. GENR12 (talk) 17:14, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I think we are done here. We clearly disagree. Bahooka (talk) 17:17, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Is Truth Being Censored?[edit]

Why does my addition of Joseph Smith to the "Criminals" portion of the Famous Mormons page keep getting taken down? I have no personal animosity toward Mormonism or religion in general, and there is no reasonable room for dispute that Joseph Smith was convicted of illegal banking. He was also undeniably killed by a mob while awaiting trial for several things. It shouldn't matter that it's a sensitive issue. Truth is truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattyFatSacks (talkcontribs) 21:19, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually, there is a lot of room for dispute for including Smith on the list with that description. Also, Wikipedia is not a reference but you have been including it as one. If you feel strongly about including him on the list, I recommend you discuss it on the article talk page. Bahooka (talk) 21:32, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I said no "reasonable" room for dispute. I guess there's enough biased misinformation out there that it may seems reasonable, though, so I guess saying something enough might actually make it true. But, you're right about the Wikipedia reference. I was in the process of updating it when my update disappeared. Sorry about the sloppy cite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattyFatSacks (talkcontribs) 21:45, 13 August 2014 (UTC) See, e.g.,

An anti-Mormon site like is not a reliable source on Wikipedia, either. If you want to discuss the edit more, I recommend you go to Talk:List of Latter Day Saints so others can weigh in. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 22:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Urbis Evolo[edit]

I have declined your speedy because a quick Google shows that this is a real product, not a hoax. Whether it is notable is another matter. JohnCD (talk) 20:00, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. When I clicked on the provided link at Urbis, I found it is an article on a museum venue. That, along with the other odd articles the user was creating, made me think that an unreferenced article about a street light was a hoax. I agree with your approach and agree that the notability still has to be established. Best, Bahooka (talk) 20:06, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Thomas Egbers (racing driver)[edit]

Thanks for adding the hoax - I was about to do the same, since you added it, I deleted it :-) Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:49, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Bahooka (talk) 19:50, 11 September 2014 (UTC)