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This looked cool[edit]

Hey Bender, this looked like a cool edit, but the HTTP Secure page reads like gibberish to me, so can you explain in really simple words (lol) what you did, how it is done, why it's a good idea and how I can learn to do it too? Montanabw(talk) 21:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, in this particular edit I just replaced a raw link with {{YouTube}}. A side effect of this is that it links to https://www.youtube.com instead of http://www.youtube.com, which means the HTTP connection is encrypted and thus not vulnerable to eavesdropping, such as this.
How can you do this, too? For starters, you could just implement {{YouTube}} where ever you find a raw YouTube link. Or, you do it the way I did, which as scanning a large number of articles with AWB. --bender235 (talk) 22:41, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
But how did you get the number to appear? How do you find id numbers? Montanabw(talk) 20:10, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure I know what you mean. What number? --bender235 (talk) 20:11, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I see, it was the id number of the you tube link (in that example 8T3AcvnEuMw), I guess it works similarly to Flickr links, never mind... I think I get it now. Montanabw(talk) 05:28, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks so much for your contributions on Waano-Gano and other pages. Your efforts are much appreciated! Tikihouse (talk) 06:19, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much. --bender235 (talk) 06:20, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Soliciting comment...[edit]

Hi! Would you care to review my FA nomination for the article Of Human Feelings? The article is about a jazz album by Ornette Coleman, and the criteria for FA articles is at WP:FACR. If not, feel free to ignore this message. Cheers! Dan56 (talk) 10:02, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Skogssamer[edit]

Hi, I was wondering if you could take a look at the article Skogssamer that I have created. I have nominated it for DYK. But before it will be finally approved some copyediting for Standard English is needed. So if you are interested please take a look. Otherwise thanks anyway :).--BabbaQ (talk) 16:52, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

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ANI[edit]

There is a discussion about you at ANI. The editor tried to notified you, but borked it, so I'm doing it myself. Dennis Brown |  | WER 18:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Here's a link to the ANI discussing you that the admin has notified you above about: [[1]]. Cowlibob (talk) 19:44, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing me at this, Dennis Brown and Cowlibob. Brukner apparently had enough time to inform twelve other users but could not leave a message on my talk page. This is crazy. This whole edit was a simple mistake. There is no content dispute at all. Yet I've been called a "moron" and had an ANI going on against me. --bender235 (talk) 08:50, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

A mistake[edit]

Sorry, I changed by mistake the number of edits on your page. Actually I was going to change my own page. I've already corrected the mistake. K9re11 (talk) 07:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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Request for comment[edit]

As someone who has edited the article Asian American this year, I am seeking your input on a proposed change to remove a reference to epicanthic eyefolds. This topic has prompted discussion in 2009, 2010 and most recently in 2013.

There's a fine line between being WP:BOLD and subverting WP:CONSENSUS. Given the history of this topic, I'm hoping that a robust discussion, for the record, would improve the article whether this reference stays or goes. Ishu (talk) 13:39, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

My time is rather limited right now as I'm attending Wikimania, but I might have a look at it later. --bender235 (talk) 15:18, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Jack Hargreaves[edit]

Dear Bender235. You've changed a possessive version of Hargreaves in this article from Hargreaves' to Hargreaves's. How to indicate a possessive in names (and nouns) ending in 's' is debated among grammarians. Some say James's, others James'; ditto Charles' or Charles's. Most say both are correct, but I have never heard or read of anyone saying or writing Hargreaves's. I suggest there is enough ambiguity on this subject for it to be reasonable to revert to Hargreaves' as common usage. If you're keen to keep Hargreaves's go ahead. It is not incorrect! I am Hargreaves' stepson, but in Wiki that represents a primary source on which you cannot rely (:)). Regards, Simon Simon Baddeley (talk) 21:22, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I was actually following the recommendation from White and Strunk's Elements of Style, which advises to always use "'s". --bender235 (talk) 06:55, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
... 'always' use "'s"! White and Strunk wrote a vade mecum welcomed by a generation of didacts, and imposed on a generation of their students. Some ninety years after Elements of Style was published Geoffrey K. Pullum remarked that 'The book's toxic mix of purism, atavism, and personal eccentricity is not underpinned by a proper grounding in English grammar. It is often so misguided that the authors appear not to notice their own egregious flouting of its own rules ... It's sad. Several generations of college students learned their grammar from the uninformed bossiness of Strunk and White, and the result is a nation of educated people who know they feel vaguely anxious and insecure whenever they write however or than me or was or which, but can't tell you why.' Pullum, Geoffrey K. (April 17, 2009). "50 Years of Stupid Grammar Advice". The Chronicle of Higher Education 55 (32).  Simon Baddeley (talk) 17:05, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay, nevermind. --bender235 (talk) 20:43, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
...but I appreciate your work on other corrections. Hope we meet again on Wiki. Do you know the best-selling book Eats, Shoots & Leaves? Its sales showed how much popular interest there is in English grammar. Simon Baddeley (talk) 09:31, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Heard of it, but never read it. I have Zinsser's On Writing Well, which is more writing style and less grammar, though. --bender235 (talk) 09:46, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for introducing him to me. Sounds an interesting guide. Simon Baddeley (talk) 07:44, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

http or https[edit]

Hi, you seem to be going against the consensus on your linked village pump discussion; the decision was to use protocol-relative URLs for sites that support both http and https, but your adobe.com links are not protocol-relative: 1 2 3. These are just the examples that showed up on my watchlist, it's likely that there are more. -- intgr [talk] 09:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Protocol-relative links aren't useful. We should use HTTP Secure where ever a Website offers it. There was mostly uneducated opposition against this in the VPP, like performance issues that do not exist. As was pointed out in recent Wikimania, Wikipedia is commited to its readers' privacy and security. That's why this switch is only the right thing to do. --bender235 (talk) 09:51, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Well changing links to https is OK to me personally. I thought you had simply made a mistake.
I find it disingenuous to imply in your edit summary that there's a village pump consensus for the edits you're making, but your edits are acting against the proposal and consensus -- as far as I can tell this was even your own proposal. Please don't do that. And calling viewpoints you disagree with "uneducated" just adds insult to injury. -- intgr [talk] 11:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
I feel your concerns, but most of the opposition was in fact due to lack of knowledge. It's not about viewpoints, it's about facts. And apart from that, Wikipedia is a highly popular website. If we can help people not to fall victim of scams or download trojans by simply linking to https://get.adobe.com/en/flashplayer/ instead of the HTTP version, we should do that. --bender235 (talk) 13:24, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
I understand your motivation, but you cite Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 111#As WP uses HTTPS, should (some) external links, too? which holds that such changes are only appropriate where a target site only supports HTTPS. It does not seem appropriate to cite that page for sites which support both. If you strongly believe that that decision was based upon faulty data and ignorance, then the appropriate course would be to request that it be modified in light of your facts. --Bejnar (talk) 22:50, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
The links I'm changing are either to websites that support only HTTPS, or maintain HTTP support while explicitly asking people to link to them via HTTPS only (such as archive.org). --bender235 (talk) 23:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
I see that you do believe strongly in acceding to archive.org's request. In which case, (1) don't cite an inapposite policy (if it is a policy) and (2) work to change the former consensus via appropriate forums. --Bejnar (talk) 15:12, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't think this "find consensus first" rule applies to everything. What I'm doing is basically low-level maintenance: fixing external links that have changed. If I was changing http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0013-1954%28199002%2921%3A1%3C83%3AAWPROL%3E2.0.CO%3B2-8 to http://www.jstor.org/stable/3482220 (which, by the way, I also do) just because the structure of incoming links to JSTOR changed, I wouldn't need prior consensus either, would I? Changing http://archive.org to https://archive.org is harming no one. --bender235 (talk) 15:54, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Atlantis[edit]

Agreed. Ramage is my 'goto' book on my shelves. And a lot older than the Russian book - my copy says 1978. I presume the editor really doesn't know the literature, although why he would think something this century is the source of everything... Dougweller (talk) 08:45, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

  • You both do not know the literature and history. In anwiki even no article about this man: Zhirov N.F. But he is the founder of atlantology as a science. He wrote two fundamental works of Atlantis (1957 and 1964). The fact that translation from Russian made ​​later nothing says.

--Kolchak1923 (talk) 19:56, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Your amusing notion of "Atlantology as a science" notwithstanding, this man (Zhirov) is completely irrelevant in historiography and philology, particularly the one concerning Plato's works. Throughout history there have been a lot of weird "Atlantologists", from Le Plongeon to Cayce. None of which belong in a credible encyclopedic article on Atlantis. --bender235 (talk) 22:32, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
You just do not know what the Soviet Union during the edition of the works. Unknown at that time to issue just would not give censorship. And his work in 1964 written all the other works of our time. That's why I think that it should be in the article. Read it for yourself and decide: is true solution. --Kolchak1923 (talk) 23:27, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure I understand what you're trying to tell me. But as a matter of fact, this Zhirov book is not a "standard work" on Atlantis, or Plato, for that matter. --bender235 (talk) 10:12, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Possible. Since the translating of the case through Google. Zhirov investigated the problem of Atlantis complex, using 170 sources available at the time (and in philosophy, and history, and geography, etc.)--Kolchak1923 (talk) 13:43, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
That sounds like nonsense. There's only one source on Atlantis: Plato. --bender235 (talk) 18:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I was talking about modern scholars writing characters on this topic. Plato wrote a little... --Kolchak1923 (talk) 07:46, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
See, a survey through modern Atlantis literature is neither innovative nor unique. We got enough of such surveys in the article already. --bender235 (talk) 12:58, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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Deletion of Universal Ethics[edit]

Hi Bender 235, why did you delete the paragraph “Universal Ethics” in the Golden Rule article (Edition Sept.13, 2014) ? The modification of the Golden Rule it contains is fundamental since it is avoiding the contradictions and flaws of the other forms of the Golden Rule cited and criticized in the article (e.g. empathy as a prerequisite). Moreover, whereas the Golden Rule is explained in Global Ethics, Bahá'í Ethics, Buddhism Ethics etc. etc., the Universal Ethics concept is entirely absent. Thanks! -Arenwi (talk) 00:40, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but if you check again you'll notice that I wasn't the one who deleted that section. --bender235 (talk) 15:03, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you[edit]

Per this edit, thanks for doing it by hand instead of via AWB. Normally I wouldn't mind AWB's source reshuffling, but in articles whose sources are formatted like they are here it is important to keep the alphabetization intact so later editors can easily locate the reffed sources. It's supposed to be a more user-friendly way of sourcing since the position of the sources in the raw wikicode more closely mirrors the position of the sources in academic papers. Who knows if that's true. Anyway thanks. -Thibbs (talk) 05:46, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem. --bender235 (talk) 05:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Afd protocol[edit]

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Oh, didn't know that. I thought the link on top of the article in questions was enough. But okay, next time I know. Thanks. --bender235 (talk) 16:48, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

New article help[edit]

Hello, Bender235!

I'm rather new to creating wikipedia articles from scratch. I usually just try to add to existing articles and patrol for vandalism/bias in stories. I'm wanting to write some articles about entertainment in Las Vegas and want to do so in compliance of wikipedia's rules and regulations so that they are not biased and factually accurate. I'm a bit intimidated though when it comes to referencing sources (not that there aren't any in the copy of the articles I'd like to submit, rather, I'm not sure how to best attribute them and format those attributions into wikipedia.) Would you be willing to help me develop some articles and properly build them so as to comply with wikipedia's standards? I really appreciate your time and attention!!!

Keep up the good work!

Jojohot1 (talk) 17:08, 23 September 2014 (UTC) Jojohot1

If you mean whether I could fix your citation style, well then, yes, I could sure do that (just tell me the articles afterwards). But if you're not to creating Wikipedia articles, you might want to have a look at the Wikipedia:Article wizard. --bender235 (talk) 18:26, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2014[edit]

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Thanks for templating a regular. Anyhow, then you please tell me what is a credible source on whether something is or is not an internet meme? --bender235 (talk) 15:31, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Fuck her right in the pussy[edit]

Bender, that we're not censored doesn't mean we have to stick this kind of language in article space. Is it necessary? Hardly. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 18:19, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not care "about the language" or what people might feel about a certain statement. Wikipedia states facts. Uncensored facts. We state what Winston verifiably yelled. Without any prudish concealment or ambiguity. Because what does "an obscenity" mean? That could be anything. And just like we state "Jameis Winston plays quarterback at Florida State" instead of "Jameis Winston is some football player", we should be clear in this case, too. --bender235 (talk) 18:35, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia does care. And this is a BLP. You can be as dickish as you like about this, but UNCENSORED does not mandate direct quotes. It's a matter of editorial decision, where you are conveniently forgetting that we're dealing with a BLP. Your comparison is prima facie nonsensical--unless you don't know what "quarterback" means or what FSU is in terms of a football school. Drmies (talk) 18:39, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

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Stanley Fischer[edit]

Hi Bender, I am new to this, older, and not a techie. Please forgive me if my communication format does not comply with your requested format. I am wondering why, on Stanley Fischer's Bio, his Vice Chairmanship at Citigroup 2002-2005 was left out of the bio listing, between his IMF service and the Bank of Isreal. There is an obvious gap between 2001 and 2005 but his Citigroup job was identified 2002-2005 in the text under banking career. I think this should be included in the Bio chronology as this is part of his career, jobs, and very important. Given the professional revolving door between the banking industry and the Fed, etc., I think this missing detail is very, very relevant and should be updated. Thank you! AnneRe AnneRe (talk) 19:32, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Anne, and welcome to Wikipedia! Unfortunately, this is not the right place to address this issue. Please leave a message on the talk page of Stanley Fischer's article, and also consider provide a reliable source for your claim. Thanks. --bender235 (talk) 19:51, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Ibid Tag[edit]

Hi. I fixed the ibids in the reference section that you tagged in Nicholas A. Basbanes, but I can't remove the tag. Don't know how to do it manually. Will you please go in and remove it? Many thanks. Nikki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnikkir (talkcontribs) 22:24, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry the above is from me. I was in a hurry. Haste makes waste Dnikkir (talk) 22:28, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Never mind Basbanes request. I figured it out. Thanks for all. Dnikkir (talk) 22:36, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

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Talk page blanking[edit]

Hey there. You may want to revert this blanking of a talk page. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:57, 18 October 2014 (UTC)