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MediaWiki message delivery[edit]

I was just looking at why I got a message and noticed your post at User talk:MediaWiki message delivery. You may want to remove that as it is not useful—if you really want a page in your user space deleted you would add {{db-user}} to it. The reason you received the message at User:Benlisquare/Userboxes is that that page is in Category:WikiProject Medicine members because {{User WPMed}} adds that category. I mentioned this at Template talk:Userbox#Should usercategory values be applied to templates? because some fix is needed. Johnuniq (talk) 06:37, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't notice that happened, Twinkle did it automatically and I forgot to double check. --benlisquareTCE 06:40, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Participate in discussion about Media Viewer follow-up study[edit]

I'm contacting you because of your involvement in the Media Viewer RfC. I understand that this is a bit awkward since the RfC has closed with consensus, but I have been tasked with helping the Multimedia team run a study to gather more feedback about Media Viewer preferences. I think the the write-up for the study could use your feedback. Would you take some time to review the study and share your thoughts on the talk page? Please feel free to invite others to participate as well. Thank you! --Halfak (WMF) (talk) 18:32, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


您好!我看到您在中文維基百科的福建省加上了它的旗幟。請問這面旗的檔案是您上傳的嗎?我對旗幟很有興趣,但從未看過這面旗,很好奇請問您是如何得知這面旗的呢?請在我的中文維基討論頁留言,謝謝。--Jitcji (talk) 16:38, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Replied on your zhwiki talkpage. --benlisquareTCE 18:19, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

謝謝您,我再向那位上傳者詢問看看。打擾了。--Jitcji (talk) 07:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions to my article 感謝閣下爲在下條目所做貢獻[edit]

My English isn't very good ,it's kind of you for your contributions to my article...-- パンツァー VI-IIFu7ラジオ❂In the Republic of China 103rd.民國103年 07:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

沒問題。如果有什麼事需要問,請隨便來講。 --benlisquareTCE 08:40, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Providence(religious movement)[edit]

Hello! This message is for recent editors of the Providence(religious movement) article.

I just wanted to inform you all of some of the changes I was hoping to make to the page! I am actually studying theology, and have been spending a lot of time studying Modern East Asian Christian organizations in particular. You might have noticed the deletion tag I applied to the article--actually I am really new to Wikipedia, I created an account specifically to make edits to this article and am still a bit confused on the whole deletion/editing process ;)

Anyway, I came across this article while I was doing research and found a few discrepancies I thought might be good to address! I know the allegations against this group are quite serious, I was shocked by them, by I think it's important that we get the article right for the academic purposes of the encyclopedia :)

Mainly I just noticed that the article is missing information in a few crucial places, i.e. the details of the trial, an extended discussion of the philosophies of the group, etc. Also, at times the tone does feel a bit hostile--again, as scholars, we should do our best to remain neutral, especially when the topic is highly controversial.

Thank you all for your time, and hope that the article can really be well done!

GIOSCali (talk) 06:03, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello! Just wanted to say that I began a few of the edits I was mentioning in my earlier post regarding the Providence(religious movement article). I just made a small sample of some of the edits I want to make, namely changes that will make the language of the article neutral. Also, there are a lot of dead links for references and many references in foreign languages-- I will be deleting these and would appreciate some help! Also I think it would be good to include actual information on the trial and the Korean judicial system, as well as Joshua Jung's early background if any can be tracked down.

Thanks, and I'm sure the article will turn out great! ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GIOSCali (talkcontribs) 23:38, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Articles about China[edit]

Including content about Taiwan in articles about China is not neutral. --Uaat (talk) 11:34, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

  • I already explained on your talk page, but instead of discussing the issue, you revert all my edits by the same time telling me not to revert you.

--Uaat (talk) 11:45, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

That's not how it works. You cannot revert after simply posting on my talk page, you need to gain community consensus for your changes. --benlisquareTCE 11:51, 2 August 2014 (UTC)


我来自中国山东,请多关照。李郓梁 (talk) 14:27, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

August 2014[edit]

Greetings. I have reverted an edit you made at PlayStation 4. The revert was an edit you made that was a revert of an edit I made that added the PlayStation 4 is not capable of 4K for games. I wanted to apologize for not adding a citation to support it, but I have since added the proper citations. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Chambr (talk) 21:40, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Outpost Harry[edit]

Unlike other WP:Redflag claims I have been seeing with regards to Chinese casualties number during the Korean War, 4,500 casualties (killed + wounded + missing + captured) in a WWI style battlefield against a dug in position is actually pretty plausible. However, there are still few requirements:

  • The source must be cited to here with proper citation format (page 469).
  • Info box must highlight this is an UN estimate number only.
  • Info box must also state technically this is US 3rd Infantry Division operation.

As a side note, the most definitive source on the topic would be the Official History of Greek Armed Forces: The Greek Expeditionary Forces in Korea (1950-1955) published by Greek Ministry of Defence. Jim101 (talk) 00:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

FYI, here is a different take on the battle:
It's referred to as "The Battle for Hill 420, Cheolweon" within that document, right? 5 killed and 20 wounded vs approx. 500 killed seems like a huge difference to what the WP article is giving. Should one assume that the remainder of the figures would be covered by the United States forces? --benlisquareTCE 07:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
US 3rd Infantry Division inflicted rest of the Chinese losses would be my guess too. Jim101 (talk) 15:15, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I finally sort out the mess on that page. Cheers. Jim101 (talk) 23:02, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for putting in the effort. --benlisquareTCE 01:50, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Prevalence of circumcision Map[edit]

Hi, I think that you should edit your prevalence of circumcision map to show countries with the majority circumcised versus countries with a minority. I think the way you currently have it is misleading. Everyone with 20-80 percent gets turned red. I can edit it for you if you want. You can contact me at

JP 08/24/14

I don't have a circumcision map. You might have me confused with somebody else. --benlisquareTCE 10:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Organization of WW2 articles[edit]

Something really bugs me about Wikipedia's organization of its articles on the Second Sino-Japanese War. We have a separate article called Japanese invasion of Manchuria, from Japanese invasion of China. The latter redirects to "Second Sino-Japanese War", which has two separate section titles called "Invasion of Manchuria, interventions in China" and "Full scale invasion of China". So, somehow, despite worldwide contemporary condemnation of the seizure of Chinese territory, our history today treats "Manchuria" as something separate from "China".

If you'll look at the interwiki links for "Japanese invasion of Manchuria", you'll see some European languages (probably translations of the English), but no Chinese. Mukden Incident says that both the Japanese and Chinese names for the false flag event also refer to the aftermath. If we truly needed a separate article on the precise military operation and tactics—I don't think we do; most of the articles linking to "Japanese invasion of Manchuria" really refer to the political consequences—, we can link to Jinzhou Operation, right? So I think having a separate article called "Japanese invasion of Manchuria" is unnecessary and harmful. Let me know what you think. Shrigley (talk) 17:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Not a big deal, but...[edit]

Just so you know, {{stub}} tags should have two blank lines between the categories and them. I think that's buried somewhere in MOS:LAYOUT or WP:STUB. I think I removed some "extra" whitespace before I figured that out. It's not exactly obvious or critically important, but it does arguably look a little better. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Phil Fish[edit]

Hi Benlisquare! I've had to remove your addition to Phil Fish, but I wanted to quickly stop by and let you know that this was because of things happening elsewhere. The site you referenced hadn't properly vetted the article, and since had it pulled. As there was no reliable source reporting it once that one was taken away, I've had to remove the addition. I believe that the source got it wrong - even the source they were basing it on has been removed by its author - but either way, you couldn't have known that when you made the change. - Bilby (talk) 04:04, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


You are a racist, and the only reason you still exist here is because you are the "safe" kind of racist. The kind that isn't white. You also have severe issues with insecurity, as you see the entire world against you and other Chinese, or Asians in general, and therefore you feel the need to constantly lash out at incorrectly perceived white and European "bias" and "pride" in all sorts of places where it is absent. If you were white and acting the exact same way against anything non-Western and/or non-white, you'd have been banned long ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Where did I do this? Any links you can provide? Keep in mind that I don't remember anything I did on Wikipedia before 2009 since that's a long time ago, and that was probably my edgy period. --benlisquareTCE 05:29, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
By the way, I find your accusations quite ironic since I've also been accused by others of being a "pro-white apologist", because I have a strong anti-immigration attitude, especially by those who identify to be among the left. Not entirely on this website in particular, but I've been quite vocal for my "Europe for Europeans" ideas for quite some time elsewhere. But yeah, keep chasing that victim complex of yours without any proper context or evidence. --benlisquareTCE 05:39, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
LOL Victim complex? Your history shows you're the one with the victim complex. Listen, here's some good advice for you; go back to making stupid and asinine comments about ridiculous image board bullshit. At least your silly rants about that childishness wasn't as obnoxious as your racial crap. Years on and you're no more mature than you ever were here, and that is to say not very mature at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:47, 14 September 2014‎
You still haven't provided URLs or diff links demonstrating my alleged anti-white racism. All you've done is write more angry words at me, and I'm still confused as to why you're angry. --benlisquareTCE 05:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

"Suspicious" - wtf, man?[edit]

I strongly object to your characterization of my reviewer flag request as "suspicious" and request that you reconsider the use of that word. I have been entirely above-board and completely forthright with the request and everything related to it. In fact, it would have been perhaps "suspicious" had I not specifically mentioned why I want the flag at this particular moment and what I plan to do with it. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 10:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

@NorthBySouthBaranof: - Alright, I'll eat my words. I hope you'll be fair in how you use your new powers. --benlisquareTCE 10:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey, if you want to object to it, that's fine — I just feel kind of "jabbed at" by the use of that particular word. I took pains to be transparent in the request specifically because I wanted to be above-board with it. I have no qualms about my record defending the integrity of articles about living people. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 10:27, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
@NorthBySouthBaranof: - Given that you're currently involved in something, it feels strange to see you apply for new user rights. If this had been any other month, I wouldn't even have bat an eyelid. I hope you realise that this is likely going to be a long, lengthy and messy dispute right? The current environment is hardly far from toxic, and when things like this happen, I can't help but notice. --benlisquareTCE 10:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I guess I'm kind of confused. So I should basically not do anything for awhile, request rights, and then go to town with them? That seems kind of odd.
One would think that it would be easy enough to demonstrate that I have no interest in abusing the review flag by, well, me not abusing it. I've had rollback for umpteen months and never abused it. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 10:39, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
@NorthBySouthBaranof: - You can say it's probably a knee-jerk reaction on my behalf then, and that I'm thinking too much. I've only had a long look at the entire thing, so it may well be that I'm coming to wrong conclusions. I don't even want to touch that article for the sake of my sanity, the talk page has essentially people accusing people in all directions, I can't even wonder how everyone's going to keep it all together. --benlisquareTCE 10:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

File:AMX ELC.jpg listed for deletion[edit]

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:AMX ELC.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. パンツァー VI-IIFu7ラジオ❂In the Republic of China 103rd.民國103年 04:13, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

  • (閣下會中文的話就不用英文好了。。。)原來是閣下上傳的啊。。。沒有想到。其實在維基共享上已經有很多ELC的圖片了。。。在下目前正在中文維基百科寫作這篇條目。在下竊以爲條目質量會超過閣下的。如果閣下不嫌麻煩,可以將之翻譯到ENwiki。。。-- パンツァー VI-IIFu7ラジオ❂In the Republic of China 103rd.民國103年 05:25, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, I didn't notice that there was a free image on Commons. In that case, we should use the free image, and delete the non-free fair use one. --benlisquareTCE 06:38, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) Media Viewer RfC[edit]

You are being notified because you have participated in previous discussions on the same topic. Alsee (talk) 16:16, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Camp Sovereignty[edit]

I added some references to Camp Sovereignty. You may want to revisit Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Sovereignty. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 21:23, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


Hi, I just wanted to thank you for helping on the talk page. It's a hostile and draining environment, which is why I've given up on trying to discuss anything with the people there. Your translation allowed me to sidestep that so, thanks again, much appreciated. If you have any other Chinese sources you think deserve inclusion and translation, I'm sure your efforts would be appreciated. But if you'd rather not, that's okay, too. Have a good day. Willhesucceed (talk) 21:48, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

@Willhesucceed: You aren't going to leave a comment within that talk page section? It'll get archived if you don't do anything, and everyone else has been conveniently sidestepping the issue for some reason. I've only put forward a basic summary, it's up to community consensus whether or not the points raised in the translated piece can be included in the article. --benlisquareTCE 05:03, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
I was going to resume the discussion today, but the time's passed. I'll get to it within some months, after the current crop of editors have tired. Willhesucceed (talk) 08:57, 12 October 2014 (UTC)


"A-K, Australian colloquial term for the Yellow pages telephone directory" - Really? (i.e. "That's news to me".) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:39, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

In Queensland, we tend to say, "Oi Barry pass the A-K, the car's not starting up". I'm not sure if this differs from city to city, but I've always seen the Yellow pages separated into A-K and L-Z. --benlisquareTCE 15:58, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
(Sharp intake of breath. "In Queensland, we tend to say". Do I take the bait? No, that would be rude.)
Well there you go! However, WP:MOSDAB explains that disambiguation pages don't work that way. I suggest that you may find reading it interesting, as well as useful. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 16:32, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Itu Abu / Taiping?[edit]

Howdy! My ISP is making life difficult for me. May I bother you to summarise what's going on?
With huge amounts of thanks in advance, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Nothing too big - someone wanted to move Taiping Island to Itu Aba Island, and I invited them to start a proper WP:RM discussion, per proper procedure. After all, anything SCS-related is a contentious topic, as you and I both are very much aware of. --benlisquareTCE 16:01, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
LOL! (Are you planning to take a Postgraduate Diploma in Understatement? Clearly, you have the skills!) Thanks for the concise summary - most appreciated. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 16:36, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Union Banks Map[edit]

I was looking at various things and came across which states that it was you who modified it "to suit an English-speaking audience".

a) Good work!
b) Thank you!

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 15:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


There is a DYK-nomination in progress, which might interest you over at: Template:Did you know nominations/Polandball. (tJosve05a (c) 12:37, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


I believe you dealt with a sockpuppet account called Chinese-proti at Prostitution in China who subsequently opened multiple accounts to add misleading content and you semi protected the article. Well he came back as User:Mixjang1234 and User:Baohio8888 (and apparently he constantly watches the article every single day to see if any of his content his removed) and I don't think he is going to go away until the article is permanently semi protected. He appears to be a Korean nationalist, trying to downplay about Korean women's prostitution to foreigners while trying to spam content about Chinese women prostituting or Korean men getting sex from foreign women.Rajmaan (talk) 14:28, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Me again. RE: Spratly Islands & Dangerous Ground - Seeking opinions[edit]

Greetings! As you've no doubt already noticed, I've recently been active with List of maritime features in the Spratly Islands and Dangerous Ground (South China Sea).

I've had many thoughts - my current ones involve List of maritime features ... . By virtue of the fact that I've restructured the page into three h2 levels, I'm wondering whether the page should be renamed to "Lists of maritime features ... ", and the content be split into sub-pages.

Or something.

Do you have any thoughts / opinions / ideas / etc. ? If so, I'd be interested to read them. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:14, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

@Pdfpdf: I'm not sure. Do you think there is a need to separate the lists into separate pages? I don't think it's necessary to split the page since it isn't that long. Do you intend to detail it up even further? --benlisquareTCE 10:06, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Ummm. Errr. Yeah. Good questions. (Thanks!) I'll think about it and get back to you with a hopefully-useful-reply. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:27, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Milo Yiannopoulos[edit]

HI, Benlisquare.

You just undid some edits I made on Milo Yiannopoulos's page.

Er... I don't think you checked the sources I edited.

The citation for the subject's birthplace, to which you reverted, includes nothing whatsoever about his birthplace! The subject was, indeed, born in Chatham, Kent and not in Greece as he claims. The English register of Births, Marriages and Deaths, to which I linked as a source, has him born as Milo Hanrahan. This is his father's name; his father continues to live there and is a public figure. This is a matter of fact.

Secondly, Milo Yiannopoulos did indeed publish two books of poetry. They're still available to buy on Amazon, and they're listed in the British Library's National Bibliography, which I cited! Is the British Library's catalogue now a 'secondary source'?

Thirdly, he did indeed claim to be a German native speaker. He did this on his own website, on his wiki profile, and on the author's biography of his poetry books (which you can check for yourself if you pop down to the British Library.

So I'm confused, a little, why you reverted the changes. I'd be grateful for your thoughts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gibbets (talkcontribs) 17:52, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

@Gibbets: What may or may not be factually correct or incorrect is not the issue here, Wikipedia's policies strictly define what can and cannot be used to reference a statement. You cannot use Wikipedia as an inline citation, full stop, since Wikipedia is not acceptable as a reliable source. In fact, all websites which are user-content driven and dynamically changing cannot be used as sources for topics relating to living people. In addition, per WP:PRIMARY, primary sources cannot be used for improper synthesis, and usage of primary sources is heavily discouraged for WP:BLP articles, see WP:BLPPRIMARY.

Essentially, all of your additions fall under original research and improper synthesis, and hence are problematic since they are at odds with Wikipedia policy. If you have a reliable source that inexplicitly and verifiably states these claims, then by all means feel free to make the changes to the article, however what you are doing is synthesizing information with your own original research, through the use of primary sources. Remember: Wikipedia should never be used to introduce new ideas, all content must strictly repeat what existing sources say. --benlisquareTCE 05:36, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

OK. Fair enough.

This was the citation given for his place of birth as Athens:

As you can see, it only gives his birthdate. It is also, of course, a user-content driven and dynamically changing website, too — so you'll agree (I'm sure) that it is not an adequate source for the subject's place of birth. Until a more adequate source can be found I'll edit out his place of birth altogether. It's pretty clear he was actually born in Britain, so we shouldn't have to wait too long.

The National Bibliography held at the British Library includes two books of poetry written by the man, and that seems like a good enough source to me, so I'll edit that back in again.Gibbets (talk) 14:24, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Arch Linux ARM suggestions[edit]

Hello Benlisquare, I am a new user to Wikipedia, and I thought the Arch Linux ARM article would be a good place to start. I see you have recently edited it, and I would like to ask if you have any suggestions. Thanks, Linux o'Linus (talk) 21:07, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit thanks[edit]

Tournesol.png Thank you for 'tweaking' my edit at 2014 Sydney hostage crisis, here. I did this (also deleted a superfluous ref) to 'fix' this edit, but conflicted with AussieLegend who was doing this (removed a comma) at the same time and I missed removing the extra 'n' in Australia. Face-smile.svg --220 of Borg 19:57, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Seasonal Greets![edit]

Wikipedia Happy New Year.png Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015!!!

Hello Benlisquare, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2015.
Happy editing,
starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 03:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Thanks, @Starship.paint, and a Merry Christmas to you too. --benlisquareTCE 12:05, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Tone marks[edit]

Thank you for your comment on the tone marks. However, the Manual of Style/China-related articles you directed me to, does indeed state, not to use tone marks in the normal Wikipedia texts: Tone diacritics are not used to transcribe names or terms that appear in the normal flow of an article (e.g. "...early Ming dynasty scholar Gù Yánwǔ..." or "...a bronze dǐng excavated from a Zhou dynasty tomb..."). They should only be used in templates and parentheticals (e.g. Chinese: 顧炎武; pinyin: Gù Yánwǔ) or in infoboxes.Elkekeya (talk) 13:46, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

@Elkekeya: In our case, the pinyin transcriptions are being used to gloss the Chinese characters within the parentheses. What that guideline sentence is referring to is avoiding the use of tone marks within the flow of sentence prose, for example "Zhang Yimou was born in 1930" instead of "Zhāng Yìmóu was born in 1930". When we have something like (哇的麻剌, Wādemálá), in this case Wādemálá is serving as the gloss for 哇的麻剌. --benlisquareTCE 13:50, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Allright, I see your point, sorry for the trouble. However, this does not apply to Jianada. Maybe rewriting that sentence to "and names Canada (加拿大, Jiānádá)"Elkekeya (talk) 13:56, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

@Elkekeya: Just to clarify, this edit of yours was perfectly fine, since pinyin tone marks should not be used within the natural flow of a sentence. I was specifically referring to this edit which changed the gloss within the parentheses. I hope I wasn't being too confusing. --benlisquareTCE 13:58, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

kantai revisions[edit]

Your latest revision to the kantai page indcates that taigei should not be accredited to Yui Ogura based on the fact that there is no citation available, but Taigei is Yui Ogura without a need for citation, the voice itself is so unique and hers alone.

If that is the case where citation is needed, then the last 4 seiyuu entries (Kanemoto, kawasumi, ozawa, horie) should be invalid for no citations. "Ari Ozawa and Yui Horie voice Roles added, it should be everywhere by now so it shouldn't be hard to find source." < and yet no one adds sources, but just states that there is, that is a breach of verifiability. Based on the changes history and what the page looks like, its a failure on your part and on mine to keep the consistency of attributing citations to the ships/seiyuu if prior edits slide but a recent one doesnt because it followed the same "reasoning" as the prior ones. --Kadfast (talk) 23:42, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you are right, the last 4 seiyuu entries are problematic, and most certainly are in need of proper citations. --benlisquareTCE 03:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Kantai Collection (anime)[edit]

Just a question: shouldn't this be at List of Kantai Collection episodes? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 16:03, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Uh, maybe. Perhaps we should wait until the first ep airs this week, and then decide what path to take with this page. If they introduce some new and fancy original story or something, the page might actually work better as a fully fledged article about a show (plot, character synopses, production, reception... you know the whole shebang). From the way I see it, all of this stuff would most likely be too much to shoehorn into the existing article at Kantai Collection (the game), which is already quite lengthy. Otherwise, yes, there is also the option of just having a brief lead paragraph, followed by an episode list. --benlisquareTCE 16:06, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
...And it aired. Now what? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:53, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Well, to be honest I really have no idea. I do have my own rough vision of what the page will eventually look like, but it's pretty much up to everyone to decide. I'm quite cautious about the page turning into just a list though, and I feel like we need a full anime article that's separate from the game. From memory, I'm pretty sure that Ghost in the Shell: SAC has separate articles for the television anime series and the PS2 game, as an example of what we might be heading towards. --benlisquareTCE 13:30, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Mami Kawada[edit]

By the way, can you take a look at this article and see if it could possibly pass a GAN? I'm planning to nominate it for GA in the near-term, though not right now. Also, don't nominate it yet of course if you suddenly decide to. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

The article looks fine from a referencing and formatting style standpoint. I'd say that it's quite close to meeting GA requirements, try nominating it and see how you go. From first glance, there's not much that really stands out when it comes to things in need of fixing up. --benlisquareTCE 13:35, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Disappointed by your response[edit]

The problem with an unreliable internet connection is that you can't rely on when you can make your next comment. Pdfpdf (talk) 08:39, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

I have no solution, and I have no intention of finding a solution. It's not something that I take priority right now. Straying from guidelines and policy is not the solution, and it is never acceptable to have personal editorial comments inserted within mainspace articles. While your concerns are noble, the ends to your means aren't acceptable.

If you have concerns with article content, apply a tag within the mainspace article, and start a new section within the talk page, just like everybody else. Do you see anyone else adding comments like "this reference is completely unusable" within mainspace articles? You are literally the only person who does it, and it's been happening for a long time now. It is a problem, because this sort of thing is not what mainspace is for; article fixing meta should not be mixed within article content that the general reader views. You don't see people doing what you are doing on other articles, this sort of edit is something unique to you.

Short summary: When in Rome, do as the Romans do, and the Romans here don't stick commentary within mainspace articles. --benlisquareTCE 09:38, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

How incredibly disappointing.
Your choice to pursue a WP:POINT rather than attempt to solve a problem, AND your choice to start an edit war, have succeeded in completely destroying your previously high level of credibility.
Should you wish to apologise and take a more balanced and rational approach, that would be good.
If not, I lament the end of what I thought was a friendly and productive partnership.
How incredibly disappointing.
You don't see people doing what you are doing on other articles, this sort of edit is something unique to you. - No, I am not a sheep; I have a brain, and I use it.
Pdfpdf (talk) 10:03, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
I find it odd why you're becoming so defensive and confrontational over, what is it, one non-English citation documenting a 2010 environmental assessment expedition? Your comment about not being a sheep isn't justification for what you've done, it's merely an excuse for not following the usual procedures and protocol that everyone else follows. I might even call it bargaining. If following protocol made someone a sheep, then modern society would be in anarchy, that's precisely why we have rules and norms.

In the end, you know what's best in this situation. Are you trying to reason with me when attempting to justify your edits, or are you trying to justify it to yourself? Right now you're having a conversation with me, but were you to use the same "sheep-brain" analogy on a proper noticeboard, I'm quite certain that no one would follow your train of thought. --benlisquareTCE 13:03, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

quick vocabulary question[edit]

hello. If you have a moment, I have a quick vocabulary question. I have forgotten a term for particular job description, probably from Quing dynasty, because I've even seen an old photograph of this type of person. Do you recall the word for a local tough guy who worked at the pleasure of a local judge? They sometimes worked as runners or heralds of some sort, but their main job was to catch lower-level criminals and administer the torture/justice. Something like... jaxman? Hetman (but not that word)...? Thank you for your time and trouble. • ServiceableVillain 03:36, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

@ServiceableVillain: Are you referring to the rows of uniformed men who would stand at the side of a courthouse holding wooden sticks, as a local judge is preciding? Or am I mistaken, and you're referring to something else? Either way, I'm not too sure of the word myself, sorry I can't be of much help. --benlisquareTCE 10:10, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Hey, Benlisquare. Thank you for the reply. I think the word I was searching for was yamen, but obliviously I was confused, since a yamen is a place rather than a person... If it is not an imposition, I am emailing a follow-up question. I do thank yo for your time and trouble! • ServiceableVillain 09:11, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks again! Nlu at least is an old friend, and Pericles is an old friendly acquaintance. Thanks! • ServiceableVillain 12:39, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Labeling wikipedians as 'Real'/'Borderline'/'Canvassed' is not a good conduct on your part[edit]

I am referring to your recent comment on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Violence_against_men_(4th_nomination), where you label people based on your opinion of what does it mean to be the "real" wikipedian, and what is not. Ex., you label someone who makes on average one edit per day over 10 years as 'borderline wikipedian'. This isn't reasonable, and such labeling doesn't constitute an ethical behavior. Amount doesn't matter, as you can never know what is going on in people's lives except for that edit count. Besides, I suspect your comments are intended to provoke people to respond online in a violent ways in this heated debate. I could also reasonably argue that in your comments you exhibit all hallmarks of troll, but I would give you the benefit of doubt. I agree with others that you should better keep out of this debate. Yurivict (talk) 00:16, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

How do you intend on solving the canvassing problem then? It's a real problem, and it's a real pain in the ass when people, all of a sudden, show up out of nowhere to throw votes around. It gives naysayers the chance to drown out legitimate users, and has the opposite effect of what these people think they're going for. You can't just pretend the problem's going to magically go away, and the purpose of that discussion was to make it clear to Flyer that all sorts of different people were taking part in that discussion. --benlisquareTCE 01:23, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Ideally this should be done by an automatic process. Wikipedia should have an algorithm that can show to closing admin the total weights of all votes. It is quite difficult and subjective to do this by hand. Human editors don't really have any additional info anyway, because very few editors know others personally. Yurivict (talk) 09:10, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
I would note that my name was not among the "Long Term Wipipedians", which makes me doubt the accuracy of the list. I am purposely not commenting on whether deciding who is a "real wikipedian" is is acceptable behavior, but is it too much to ask that the count be accurate? --Guy Macon (talk) 00:34, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
@Guy Macon:, the post was made at 09:05, 1 March 2015 (UTC), which was before the hero entered the building. --benlisquareTCE 01:19, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Ah. My apologies. Sorry about that. --Guy Macon (talk) 11:32, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Sino-Vietnamese War[edit]

Sorry about the unexplained removal of content. My explanation is that I generally prefer each row to occupy as little space as possible, as the lists are primarily meant as navigation tools. Minor geographical changes can be mentioned in the main articles, but I believe the lists should focus on the main outcomes. Best, --Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 14:08, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the support[edit]

I used to patrol the Falun Gong articles as part of an overall interest in fringe religions, and there was a good team dealing with them. But the FLG POV pushers keep coming back with new accounts and pushing, pushing, pushing. Meanwhile a lot of the old group who'd worked on those articles moved on from Wikipedia or got tired of the constant fight. Recently I gave up. I figured there's not much damage they can do in the walled garden of Falun Gong articles anyway. But Aaabbb11 wants to cram the organ harvesting nonsense everywhere. He's been putting it on pages related to Chinese leaders from the 1990s, he's been pumping up Ethan Gutmann (a conservative journalist who supports the FLG organ harvesting accusations) and putting Gutmann's book on every page he can cram it onto, and generally running amok.

I didn't want to have that fight with him. It's not worth the headache to me, and there's really nobody left beside me from the old FLG neutrality team. But I can't stand the idea of this propaganda spreading to a main-traffic page like the core China one. So thank you. Simonm223 (talk) 15:22, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

I also strongly suspect that Aaabbb11 is a new account created by User:Asdfg12345 - a former Falun Gong battleground editor who flamed out in 2010 after getting three edit-warring blocks in quick succession. Simonm223 (talk) 20:46, 31 March 2015 (UTC)