User talk:Bevo

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

User talk:Bevo


Welcome Bevo[edit]


You have done a good job so far in Wikipedia (a.k.a. 'Pedia or WP). I can see that you're a serious Wikipedian interested in improving our project. If you stay for a while, you'll discovered that collectively, we're a cooperative and friendly community. We are all here to learn, and hopefully can give something back. If you have questions or doubts of any sort, do not hesitate to post them on the Village Pump, somebody will respond ASAP. Other helpful pages include:

Just keep in mind that while relevant discussions and constructive criticisms and are welcome, unproductive and/or destructive insults are not (see Wikiquette &


List of Texas county name etymologies[edit]

==== H2O ====

Bevo, I have been having a lot of fun working on the List of Texas county name etymologies. There are a bunch left to go. Consider joining in if you need a break from NM. H2O 07:26, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)


=== Bevo ===

Why can't I add this page to my watchlist? Bevo 17:38, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Because it's a special page. You'll have to watch Wikipedia:Book sources instead. --MarkSweep 06:59, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Thanks! - Bevo 19:24, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)



Hi, most of your edits to the Multics page I've liked, but I think the last one is not an improvement. I'm going to put that one back the way it was, if that's OK. Noel 03:32, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC) Hi, that "Multics Virtual Memory: Concepts and Design" paper is already in the list of Multics papers (in the "Further Reading - Technical Details) - it even has the same URL! It only lists one source, though - perhaps the second could be added as an "(also here)" link? Noel 22:57, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Neal Stephenson[edit]

=== User: tristil ===

Hi, Bevo. I just started on Wikipedia. I'd like to add further tendencies, perhaps excerpt some passages. Do you think this is appropriate? Should this kind of thing be moved to a different entry? -tristil

J. Frederick-George-Jewsbury[edit]

=== Jwrosenzweig ===

J. Frederick George's real name is George Jewsbury, according to an interview with Neal Stephenson in Locus magazine. Jwrosenzweig 21:14, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Locator maps[edit]

Carlsbad Caverns Yellowstone National Park WikiProject Protected Areas[edit]

==== Decumanus ====

Hello Bevo. (I still sort of crackup when I write on your user page). Hope I didn't spoil any fun you were about to have, but I made a map like the one you were requesting and uploaded it. I didn't make the table yet, because I didn't have all the info. On the talk page, I indicated this and also left a pointer to blank map that you can use to make location maps for any other parks the same way. -- Decumanus 23:34, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Good job. Looks great! -- Decumanus 20:22, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

==== anonymous ====

I saw you comment on the yellowstone page about the locator map. If you haven't seen it already, take a look at WikiProject Protected Areas there is some good info about the locator boxes on National park pages. In particular, there is a link to Map Locators/United States which has the map and external links to park info. Hope you find this helpful.

Thanks! I did one of those maps for the Carlsbad Caverns page a few weeks ago from information I received by asking about the Yellowstone National Park map. - Bevo 22:09, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Featured Picture candidates, archives and gallery[edit]

Image sizes on WP:FPC[edit]

==== Gaz ====

Bevo, I have been intentionally making the width of portrait shots on WP:FPC smaller than landscape shots. The idea being that all shots should look about the same size (i.e. about 200px on the LONGEST edge). To keep the formatting of the page I have used the "width=220px" table option on portrait shots to keep the leftmost cells about the same width. - Gaz 15:06, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Let me move this to the Talk page for WP:FPC and see what others think. Personally, I like the uniform width, as I think that allows the same amount of detail to show on all pictures. - Bevo 15:22, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Nomination process[edit]

==== Fennec ====

Thanks for fixing my nomination on Featured Picture Candidates. I wasn't quite sure exactly where it went... the page is a bit confusing :) - Fennec 18:07, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)


==== Solitude ====

Heya Bevo, I was trying to find recently promoted featured picture candidates, it seems you archived them, but later mistakingly removed them? Not sure what happened there, didn't want to correct something as maybe you had a reason I'm not seeing ;) Wikipedia:Featured_pictures_candidates/Archive-05 Oh by the way, a lot of your signatures seem to link to Bevo instead of Bevo. Ciao. -- Solitude 08:20, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback on the FP archives (and my sig). I'll see what's up with both. Do you have a specific nomination in mind that was removed? Was it removed recently? (I did add some entries that it seemed Davodd had missed when the nominations were either promoted or not-promoted (wonder if there's a better word for describing not promoting something?). I don't recall intentionally removing anything from the archives, except when I create a new archive, and then hopefully I add the older entries to the new archive, as warranted. And, I just fixed and tested my sig to add the "User:" part, thanks for alerting me to that. - [[User:Bevo|Bevo]] 15:06, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I did (intentionally) move two nominations from Archive-04 to Archives-05 some time ago so that the ones using the new format could stay together. - [[User:Bevo|Bevo]] 16:40, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Heya, I fixed the archive already yesterday because after careful analysis of the history it seems your edit broke off at some point which caused the bottom 3 archived pictures and text to disappear. All is well now. -- Solitude 06:51, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
==== Neutrality ====

Can you point to the featured picture candidate discussion where Antarctica satellite globe was nominated (and supported)? You've put that picture on Wikipedia:Featured pictures, but I can't find the nomination of it. --Conti| 09:15, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

That would be here. It was unanimous. — David Remahl 09:32, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Neutrality has recently moved three nominations from Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates without creating the needed archive entries for them. These are Bikini, ChessSet and Antarctica satellite globe. Ideally, Neutrality will now go back and create these archive entries into Wikipedia:Featured pictures candidates/Archive-05 and Wikipedia:Featured pictures candidates/September-2004, but if he or someone else does not do it by tonight, I'll do it. - [[User:Bevo|Bevo]] 12:56, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Doh, spent 10 mintutes trying to track what happened with the candidates, finally it leads me straight to this discussion, lets fix it! -- Solitude 14:53, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
My apologies – I moved three featured pictures from Featured Pictures Candidates straight to Featured Pictures and didn’t add the nominations to the archive. I didn’t actually know there was an archive page, because I didn’t notice the link on the candidate page. Sorry ‘bout that. Won’t happen again. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 15:43, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)



UT logo

==== Decumanus ====

Well everyone's having that problem with images they uploaded earlier this week. There a discussion on Village Pump about it. Evidently it's caused by a hard-drive swap but eventually the images are supposed to be back. I suppose I could upload them, but I uploaded a lot earlier this week and keep hoping things will just come around. -- Decumanus 05:37, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Image size[edit]

==== mav ====

Greetings! Per our image use policy, justified images cannot exceed 300px in width in articles (centered images in articles can be up to 400px in width and there is no current policy regarding the size of images on image description pages). This is so that people with lower resolution monitors are not overwhelmed by the image and the wrapped-around text has more than 4 words per line. --mav 06:16, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Dust storm[edit]

==== H2O ====

I like the pic. Where did you get it? H2O 19:57, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Can you clip out those phone wires, too? H2O 03:20, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
There's just nothing like spring in Texas - did you see the video clip? H2O 22:59, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
The video is gone, so I replaced it with a slide show from last Dec. - though they don't compare with the 1935 shots. H2O 23:58, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
Check out the satellite pic of a Saharan dust cloud I found. H2O 05:56, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
You'll probably be interested in the video I just found at - Bevo 21:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the dust storm link. We are actually having one of those brown days here in Lubbock right now (cough, cough). Fortunately not as bad as that one. Best wishes for a terrific new year. Beat the Trojans! (I'll break my rule against rooting for Texas just this once - go Big 12!). H2O 17:55, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad that you enjoyed the Iraq dust storm movie, and am thrilled that you'll be rooting for the 'horns on Wednesday! Hope your air clears up soon! You've probably seen in the news that we have had a lot of smoke in the air around here in DFW from grass fires aggravated by the drought. - Bevo 18:22, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Congrats on the national championship - too bad you're losing that QB! (ha ha) H2O 03:17, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Rmarkables Image[edit]


Thanks for the note. I have now released the image in a more formal manner.Tiles 04:51, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured pictures[edit]

====Wikipedia:Featured pictures visible====
====Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates====

Halló Bevo! I'am here since five days. Was surprized to find our dog at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. I'm not familiar regarding what kind of pictures are more prefered here. We selected the picture because it was not shown already in our gallery [1]. Would be nice to heare your opinion about a picture wich is more suitable. Regards Gangleri 04:11, 2004 Sep 25 (UTC)

I looked around the website, and didn't see any that were better than the one nominated for featured picture status. Just look for more opportunities to take more pictures with a good camera, in good light of the entire dog, preferably in some sort of great pose, like in the nominated picture. It was just the grass in front of the dog that I found distracting. And, the higher resolution, the better. - [[User:Bevo|Bevo]] 05:28, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Thanks Bewo! I moved your answer to my talks. Regards Gangleri 12:27, 2004 Sep 25 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Picture of the day[edit]

====Template:Pic of the day/Archive====

Yes, I'm still updating it, but not always on a daily basis. I'll bring it up to date now. Thanks for the reminder. Angela. 03:29, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

====Template:Pic of the day/Archive1====
====Template:Pic of the day/Image archive====

The archive now has everything up until tomorrow. Thanks for keeping the image archive synchronized with it. Angela.

New and improved POTD system[edit]

Hello Bevo,

This morning I've been working on implementing a new and Picture of the day system. It is based on the proven concept used by Today's featured article. This system will allow us to plan the POTD way ahead, plan POTD for special occasions, automatically archive the POTD's and so on, it also makes recycling a POTDs very easy, just point the template to a previous date. Another important advantage is that it makes customizing POTD's much easier, as you don't need to remember which were changed in size for instance or had a small caption added.

Overall it's a robust system I think but please take a look and tell me what you think, see if there is anything I've overlooked. Switching to the new system would be a cake as the only thing that changes, is that the POTD templates now need to point to specific dates instead of days.

Cheers, [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 10:23, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

PS. I've also sent this message to Angela as the three of us seem to maintain the POTD sections the most.

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. -- [[User:Solitude|Solitude\talk]] 10:51, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

Surfer pic[edit]

You've voted oppose on the original picture of the surfer on WP:FPC. Would you mind heading back and look at the newer version. You can support a newer version if you think it's better. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 12:31, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

Article licensing[edit]

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:


Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

FPC caption[edit]

Hi Bevo, I've noticed you adding [a Wikipedia:Featured picture] links to images on closed WP:FPCs. Its not a problem, but I can't quite figure out why - surely anyone who is looking back over the FPC archive already knows where the various FP pages are (and if not there are links at the top of the page in any case), and the promotion status is described in the vote summary. I guess it doesn't hurt, but then again there is already half a dozen steps involved in promoting an image. -- Solipsist 07:41, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I place those edits to the captions on the FPC's that are promoted or retained as FP's so that a quick scan of the archives' images will tell which ones are the FPs. It is especially nice when there are several images associated with a nomination. - Bevo 16:26, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I guess I can see the point when there are several images in one nomination. -- Solipsist 18:10, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yosemite Valley photo as featured picture candidate[edit]

I finally received a high-rez version of the image voted on a while ago. It's now on the Commons as Commons:Image:Yosemite meadows 2004-09-04.jpg. The composition is actually a bit different from Image:Yosemite 2 bg 090404.jpg. Do you think it's worth renominating it as an FPC here? Alternatively, I could nominate it on the Commons. --MarkSweep 06:57, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

FYI: I nominated it on the Commons – see here. Cheers, --MarkSweep 06:24, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Change to Bresenham's line algorithm[edit]

Hi, I noticed your change to this article specifying that the examples were in Wikicode, and I apologise for reverting it. However, this is what Template: Wikicode is for; the reason the message was removed from this template was due to strong opposition of the detractors of Wikicode. If you feel it is appropriate, please re-add an appropriate message to this template. This message will then be visible in all articles including wikicode, and will be more compliant with Wikipedia: Avoid self-reference. Thanks. Deco 07:41, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Root canal revised[edit]

Nice critique on the Featured Photos page. See a revised version with more anatomical details and dual roots at the root canal page.

FPC changes[edit]

Soon, most of the tasks of promoting an FPC will become automated, but we will be required to put a template tag with specific information on the FPC's vote page. Check out User talk:AllyUnion for the discussion. I'll probably make the template tomorrow sometime, and update the instructions for FPC promotion. --brian0918 06:35, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Edit summaries[edit]

Hi. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I just wanted to give you some helpful advice, or maybe just a reminder about a feature in Wikipedia known as an edit summary. The edit summary is filled out using the 200 word text field located right below the editing text box. It is strongly recommended that one get in the habit of filling out edit summaries for each edit, giving a general summary of why particular changes were made, as well as a very terse summary of what changes were made. Edit summaries are a way to defend your edits, especially if you're an anonymous user. Ambiguous edits made by anonymous users may often be mistaken for vandalism. Filling out the edit summary also gives the users who monitor those pages on watch lists or recent changes, an idea of what kind of activity has taken place. If these changes do not strongly affect the content of the article, mark the This is a minor edit check box below the edit summary field. For further help on using edit summaries, consult this guide. Thank you. — oo64eva (AJ) (U | T | C) @ 22:44, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

Hopefully I'm doing much better in annotating my significant edits, and marking the others as minor. - Bevo

lots of edits, not an admin[edit]

Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. If you're at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 23:10, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

Visual Basic Classic Wikibook[edit]

I see you have contributed to the Visual Basic article on Wikipedia. Any chance you would like to join in editing the wikibook: --Kjwhitefoot 08:56, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I'll take a look. I'm sure there will be something I'll want to help with as soon as I get familiar with it. - Bevo 10:32, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Just jump right in. --Kjwhitefoot 17:19, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I did one minor edit already, but have not quite gotten up to speed on the concept or writing style that should be used for a Wikibook. - Bevo 22:30, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Don't worry about style. We need more content! Especially in the introductory chapters; screenshots, exercises. Stuff for beginners. --Kjwhitefoot 10:19, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

wikiversity vote[edit]

If you cast a wikiversity vote, please make a link at your Wikimedia meta-wiki user page linking back to your wikipedia user page. If you do not do so, your vote will not count. --JWSchmidt 15:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


Bevo (mascot)[edit]


I completely agree with your statement about the photo. I have several pictures I've taken of B-XIII that I might be able upload. I'll see if I can scrounge one up in the near future. Somewhere I have link to some information that purports that the A&M branding story is apocryphal. I wish I could find it. It would be nice to profile all the animals, and eventually maybe dismbig the pages from the St.Louis neighborhood. Decumanus 05:33, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC) (Ph.D.'97) Thank you for finding that Daily Texan article! It's the one I have been remembering but couldn't find. I'm very glad too that you finally disam'd the page and took it from underneath the near-beer article.-- Decumanus 05:28, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Does anyone learn at UT?[edit]

I posted a comment to the University of Texas at Austin page concerning the lack of an academics section on the page. I would appreciate comments. Thanks. -Scm83x 08:52, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

peer review for University of Texas at Austin[edit]

Hey Bevo. I've noticed that you've made a lot of great contributions to the UT article in the past, and thought you might be interested to know that I started the peer review process. Thanks. -Rebelguys2 12:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Yet another new UT article[edit]

I have started Main Building of the University of Texas at Austin, and it awaits your edits. With all of the new UT articles popping up recently, what do you think about the possibility of organizing a WikiProject or collaboration about the University? Please let me know! — Scm83x talk Hookem hand.gif 10:17, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Windows Vista article[edit]

Hmm.. Wikipedia is acting weird. When I made changes to the article after your changes, it reverted your changes for some reason. I didn't mean to do that. I'll have to find out why it does that. — Alex 20:02, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Edit summary[edit]

Hello. Please remember to always provide an edit summary. Thanks and happy editing. Mrtea (talk) 00:13, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey I'm glad you asked. I actually wasn't referring to any non-minor edit. Just with a quick glance at your recent contribs, I can see you're not in the habbit of using edit summaries with non-minor edits. Even though minor edits don't normally come up in content disputes, it's very helpful for people watching an article or going through its recent history to help them decide whether it is worthwhile for them to check a change, or even just to understand why a minor edit was made. Check out Help:Edit summary and Help:Edit_summary. I can't find any place that states edit summaries are not required for minor edits. However what is stressed is: "always fill in the summary field. Even a short summary is better than no summary." The first edit that spiked my attention was your recent edit on Cat Stevens. You were changing some spacing which is indeed minor, but as mentioned above it's just helpful for the people watching the page. I would really prefer if one mentioned why they made this type of change (especially considering the spacing is optional.) Even a link to the manual of style would be nice. How this post was helpful, let me know what you think. Mrtea (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

You do great work[edit]

Hello Bevo, I am very impressed by your contributions to Wikipedia. You have done great work across a wide variety of articles, including the often-thankless task of formatting standardization, which helps to improve the overall appearance and usability of this great resource. I think the project benefits greatly from your participation. I think you could do even more good for the project as an administratior. As far as I can see in your contribution history and talk page history, you have always "played nice" with others - which is a very important consideration for the adminship, in my view. I think one of the most important roles of the administrator is to set a good example for other users, and I think we should recognize the fact that you are doing this today.

Administrators also have access to a few technical features that help with maintenance. I don't know you well enough yet to know for sure how much use you would make of these tools, but I am very confident you would not abuse them, and you are quite likely to find them useful in your work here.

Please look over the administrators' reading list and how-to guide, as well as the guide to requests for adminship. If this looks like something you are interested in, then please leave me a note on my Talk page and I will formally nominate you.

Best regards - Johntex\talk 18:53, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

"std fmt"[edit]

Hello, I'm just wondering what purpose these edits serve. They do not affect the appearance of an article in any way. Extra spaces are harmless, and I find it more easy to parse wikisyntax with a space between the asterisk and the text of an item in a bulleted list, etc. Regards — Dan | talk 00:36, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

2005 Texas Longhorn Football Team[edit]

A new article awaits your edits...Johntex\talk 13:09, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

"standard and consistent internal and/or external formatting"[edit]

Why are you removing spaces from after headers and list markup? This makes the wikitext harder to read and can break formatting of definition lists, etc. — Omegatron 20:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Replied on my talk. — Omegatron 01:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


Since you worked on the article Invasion, I thought you might like to know that it has now been submitted as a featured article candidate. If you're interested, I wanted to invite you to come vote at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Invasion. Thanks - Kafziel 05:50, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


I have modified some erroneous edits which you made on January 11. See Talk:University of California, Los Angeles for further explanation and supporting links. The relevant headings are all proper nouns because they are the full official names of UCLA administrative units. --Coolcaesar 04:20, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Please check your WP:NA entry[edit]

Greetings, editor! Your name appears on Wikipedia:List of non-admins with high edit counts. If you have not done so lately, please take a look at that page and check your listing to be sure that following the particulars are correct:

  1. If you are an admin, please remove your name from the list.
  2. If you are currently interested in being considered for adminship, please be sure your name is in bold; if you are opposed to being considered for adminship, please cross out your name (but do not delete it, as it will automatically be re-added in the next page update).
  3. Please check to see if you are in the right category for classification by number of edits.

Thank you, and have a wiki wiki day! BD2412 T 04:18, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Texas!!! [2] Johntex\talk 23:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


I noticed you had an edit on the symbolwiki article. The concept of symbolwiki is dear to my heart. Thankfully, such a symbol system already exists, though has very little presence thus far. Check out Blissymbolics if you get a chance. --Mlandau 05:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

License tagging for Image:UT Tower 83400355 68b7a5eeb9 o.jpg[edit]

Thanks for uploading Image:UT Tower 83400355 68b7a5eeb9 o.jpg. Wikipedia gets thousands of images uploaded every day, and in order to verify that the images can be legally used on Wikipedia, the source and copyright status must be indicated. Images need to have an image tag applied to the image description page indicating the copyright status of the image. This uniform and easy-to-understand method of indicating the license status allows potential re-users of the images to know what they are allowed to do with the images.

For more information on using images, see the following pages:

This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. If you need help on selecting a tag to use, or in adding the tag to the image description, feel free to post a message at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. 18:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright tag added. - Bevo 19:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


It's sad isn't it? The line about XIV following him around really tugs at the heart-strings. Johntex\talk 14:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your help[edit]

Thank you for your assistance in the Single-grain experiment. It was DYK on October 12. I greatly appreciated it. Chris 01:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help with 2006 Texas Longhorn football team. Happy Thanksgiving, and let's hope for a good day tomorrow! Johntex\talk 18:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article review/Carlsbad Caverns National Park[edit]

Somebody is claiming that much of the article is a copyvio (which I doubt). Cites and copyedit are also needed. --mav

Carlsbad Caverns National Park has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.
Sandy (Talk) 01:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Jericho page moves[edit]

FYI, your page moves have been reverted. Wikipedia guidelines for page names dictate using the simplest name, not naming for consistency. --Ckatzchatspy 10:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem. It's certainly not the first time this has occurred on Wikipedia, and I can appreciate the desire for a consistent approach. The discussions over disambiguation - whether to go for the simplest name, or to go for consistency - have been rather heated at times, so I thought I would adjust your changes before you got caught up in the issue... Cheers, and good work BTW. --Ckatzchatspy 17:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

May 2007[edit]

My edit to Harry Potter[edit]

I was trying to add a comment to explain my last edit to Harry Potter and hit the Save button before I checked the "Minor edit" checkbox. This was just a minor edit to make the formatting of the section headers consistent in format; this doesn't change the article's appearance, but does make identifying headers easier when they are all in the same internal format. - Bevo 16:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

revision history on Harry Potter and my minor edit[edit]

I just reviewed the edit history of Harry Potter. is my edit, but I see now that I applied it just after Harry Potter was vandalized. I try hard to keep that from happening! I'll try even harder...and, thanks for the vigilance to revert the vandals...I too, do my share of reverting. - Bevo 16:28, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Interpretation of Current spaceflight[edit]

Hi! I notice some of your edit log comments that refer to the instructions at Template:Current spaceflight. I wonder if you could help me understand those? What does it mean by, "routine unradio controlled flights, for example communications satellites". Why are comsats "unradio controlled"? Thanks for any insight you can provide! (sdsds - talk) 02:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

To answer your question about that "current spaceflight" template, I take it to mean that it is appropriate only for space exploration type space endeavors, not the spacecraft like communications satellites that are just deployed to augment terrestrial communications, or ones deployed to monitor terrestrial locations or measure terrestrial geography. The wording inside the box speaks of the "mission" with the phrase "Information may change as the mission progresses." - Bevo 04:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Ah yes, this makes sense. Thanks! I understand now this isn't "template:ongoing spaceflight". As a descendent (conceptually, at least) of "template:current", "template:current spaceflight" only applies to spaceflights expected to generate news. (Why didn't I think of that! ;-) (sdsds - talk) 06:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Sea Turtle edit[edit]

Steven Colbert mentioned Sea Turtles in reference to Wikipedia on The Colbert Report. I was just semi-protecting the article to preempt any massive surge of Colbert-related vandalism. Best, IronGargoyle 18:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Bob O. Evans[edit]

Thanks for editing the article. I think the article also needs a picture of Evans. The IBM website has a picture, an obvious publicity one. I'm not quite up-to-date on licensing laws etc., but maybe you know: Would WP use of the picture fall under "fair use"? Iterator12n Talk 23:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

See the text I added to (and the question posed on) -- Iterator12n Talk 03:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Formatting cleanup[edit]

Please read Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(headings)#Spaces and stop messing with the formatting, especially in removing the black lines that make the source more readable. Dicklyon 20:43, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

( The three entries below were copied from . I include them here to preserve our dialog in total. - Bevo 15:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC) )

Thanks for the pointer to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(headings)#Spaces. My goal is to leave an article's markup with a consistent internal formatting style. (I look at what the majority markup style is and then make it consistent with that style.) What do you do when you edit an article with inconsistent internal style? - Bevo 20:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I sometimes move toward consistent, too, when I edit an article or section. More often, I move toward more space, because it's so hard to find your way around (i.e. to spot headings) when the spaces aren't there. But I wouldn't edit an article just for source style (with the exception of what I just did in reaction to yours that I felt went it a bad direction). Dicklyon 20:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
A long time ago, I tended to edit towards my personal preference in internal formatting, and I was criticized for doing that. Until your comment today I've never been criticized for working towards a consistent internal style that is consistent with the majority style already present. I won't edit an article for consistency if it does not already contain a clear majority internal style. - Bevo 21:14, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable. Dicklyon 21:20, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


Sorry to bother you but...

Original Barnstar.png The Original Barnstar
I came across your userpage and noticed you had done a lot of work on Wikipedia, but as far as I could tell no one had given you a barnstar, which seems like a crime to me --Mr.crabby (Talk) 02:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! - Bevo 11:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


What do you think of Bugzilla:11498? — Omegatron 02:56, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

When a user saves a page, the whitespace of the page should be reformatted to
fit a template, so that the markup is kept readable and consistent from article
to article.
Programming_style#Spacing and Indent_style
I'm all for any particular article having consistent internal formatting, but I really don't care what style that is, as long as it is consistent. So, if the software was to fix up an article's internal consistency, then it would first have to determine what the dominant style was already in place for that article, and just fix-up the inconsistent parts, if it does what I sometimes try to do for an article. That sounds like it would be hard to explain to a programmer in such a way that it could be automated. For example, if I can't find a dominant existing style in an article, I just leave it alone until one develops. - Bevo 12:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
It would defeat the purpose and be counterproductive if we let each article be a different style. The idea is to make all articles consistent with each other. — Omegatron 13:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that idea (of absolute consistency) will go over well. I might be wrong. Good luck! - Bevo 03:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Why not? That's the whole point. Why would anyone want one article to be formatted different from another? — Omegatron 15:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
It's just that there is no consensus as to what that "one-true-formatting-style" should be. - Bevo 23:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:GEBcover.jpg)[edit]

Thanks for uploading Image:GEBcover.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media). If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BetacommandBot 20:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

From: Here's another image that is clearly not orphaned that this bot has identified as being orphaned. - Bevo 02:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
From: there was an error with the API, all images have been reverted, please dont post further complaints.βcommand 03:14, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposed: Photometric telescope → Apache Point Observatory[edit]

It has been proposed to merge the content of Photometric telescope into Apache Point Observatory. Since you have previously edited one of these articles, I thought you might be interested. You're welcome to participate in the discussion if you like. --B. Wolterding (talk) 16:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

FP delist[edit]

Dear Bevo, Image you have nominated for Featured Picture status is proposed for delisting.

Your comments/suggestions/etc are welcome here

--Mothmolevna ( © ® ) 21:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright rationale for Image:CliffnotesRomeoAndJulietCover.jpg[edit]

Thanks for uploading Image:CliffnotesRomeoAndJulietCover.jpg. You've indicated that the image is being used under a claim of fair use, but you have not provided an adequate explanation for why it meets Wikipedia's requirements for such images. In particular, for each page the image is used on, the image must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Can you please check

  • That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for each article the image is used in.
  • That every article it is used on is linked to from its description page.

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --00:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

initial Non-free media rationale template inserted and populated for this image - Bevo (talk) 19:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject University of Texas at Austin Collaboration for August 2008[edit]

Longhorns on the South Lawn.jpg
The current WP:UT collaboration for the period ending August 31, 2008 is:

List of University of Texas at Austin alumni

Our September 2008 project is TBD. If you would like to nominate an article for a future project or see what articles we've already collaborated on, please visit the Collaboration talk page.

Thanks to all those who helped out with UT Austin-related articles this last month. This month's collaboration needs help with transferring alumni names into the organizational tables in prep for FLC. I look forward to working with you. Hook 'em Horns! --Eustress (talk) 00:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

2008 Texas Longhorn football team[edit]

Hi Bevo, thanks for your improvements to 2008 Texas Longhorn football team! I think we are getting this thing pretty good for this point in the season. We need to add more refs on the 2 game summaries, which I will do if no one beats me to it.

I would like to inquire about this edit. My thinking is that the reference is better than no reference. Yes, it goes out of date, but at least people can see what we used as our source, even if they can't go there and see what we saw on the day. I think it should be included and I'd like to see if you agree.

Also, I'm surprised you took out several non-breaking spaces ( ). The last time I took an article to FA, the reviewers were very strict about including these between a quantity adjective (E.g. ten, second,...) and the noun it modifies. Maybe the MOS has changed, or maybe you have a different interpretation?

Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks, Johntex\talk 00:21, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Bevo, thought you might get a chuckle out of this - I know I did. Best of luck on Saturday's game (but you know who I'll be rooting for!) H2O (talk) 04:13, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject University of Texas at Austin Collaboration for August 2009[edit]

The current WP:UT collaboration for the period ending August 31, 2009 is:

University of Texas at Austin#History

Our September 2009 project is TBD. If you would like to nominate an article for a future project please add a nomination under that month's section or to see what articles we've already collaborated on, please visit the Collaboration talk page.

WP:UT's first priority is getting the flagship article (UT Austin) back to GA status and ultimately, FA status. So lets take this in baby steps and focus on one section at a time, and what better section the the first: history! Any contributions would be appreciated and... Hook 'em Horns! NThomas (talk) 00:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:SkylabIemblem10076057.jpg[edit]

Ambox warning pn.svg

A tag has been placed on File:SkylabIemblem10076057.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image is an unused redundant copy (all pixels the same or scaled down) of an image in the same file format, which is on Wikipedia (not on Commons), and all inward links have been updated.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lәo(βǃʘʘɱ) 05:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer[edit]

Redaktor Wikipedia 600px.png

Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, is currently undergoing a two-month trial ending 15 August 2010.

Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under flagged protection. Flagged protection is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial. The list of articles with pending changes awaiting review is located at Special:OldReviewedPages.

When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Wikipedia:Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here.

If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Karanacs (talk) 14:30, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Delist nomination[edit]

An image you nominated at FPC has now been put up for deletion. Cowtowner (talk) 15:03, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject United States[edit]

Flag of the United States.svg

Hello, Bevo! WikiProject United States, an outreach effort supporting development of United States related articles in Wikipedia, has recently been restarted after a long period of inactivity. As a user who has shown an interest in United States related topics we wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the United States. If you are interested please add your Username and area of interest to the members page here. Thank you!!!

--Kumioko (talk) 02:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


Do you plan to do anything with User:Bevo/subpage? It hasn't been touched in 3 years. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 02:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't need it anymore. How do I request that it be deleted? - Bevo (talk) 15:38, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I'll tag it as {{Db-u1}}. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 22:04, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. - Bevo (talk) 22:43, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


A Barnstar!
A smile for you

You’ve just received a random act of kindness! (talk) 23:18, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
I think that is my first one here. 8-) - Bevo (talk) 23:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


Are you aware you de-stubbed it? As you left no edit summary reason, and I couldn't guess why, and undid you. Was it the VE?! Cheers, Widefox; talk 17:30, 6 July 2013 (UTC) Widefox; talk 11:25, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I certainly thought I left an edit summary! I did not go back and check, though. I was using VE at the time. And "un-doing" me is OK by me. <grin> I just thought there was enough content there at this time that it was no longer a stub. - Bevo (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, yes you did leave one - I'm guessing my mistake (rather than technical glitch). Widefox; talk 11:25, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for 06 August 2013[edit]

It's been almost two weeks since the last newsletter, and a lot of improvements have been made during that time. The main things that people have noticed are significant improvements to speed for typing into long pages (bug 52012, scrolling (bug 52014 and deleting (bug 52013 on large pages. There have also been improvements to references, with the latest being support for list-defined references, which are <ref>s defined inside a <references> block (bug 51741 Users of Opera 12 and higher have had their web browser removed from the browser black-list, mostly as a result of work by a volunteer developer (bug 36000 Opera has not been fully white-listed yet, so these users will get an additional warning and request to report problems.

Significant changes were made to the user interface to de-emphasize VisualEditor. This has cut the use of VisualEditor by approximately one-third. You can read about these at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Updates/August 1, 2013, but they include:

  • Re-ordering links to the editors to put "Edit source" first and VisualEditor second
  • Renaming the link for VisualEditor to "Editbeta"
  • Disabling the animation for section editing.
  • Changing all labels for the classic wikitext editor to say "Edit source", regardless of namespace.

There have also been many smaller fixes, including these:

Most of the Wikimedia Foundation staff is traveling this week and next, so no updates are expected until at least August 15th. If you're going to be in Hong Kong for Wikimania 2013, say hello to James Forrester, Philippe Beaudette, and the other members of the VisualEditor team.

As always, if you have questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 23:30, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for 21 August 2013[edit]

Both VisualEditor and MediaWiki were upgraded recently. For VisualEditor, this is the long-awaited post-Wikimania update with many bug fixes and enhancements. Work also continues on speed at opening and during use, as well as on the bugs reported here and at other Wikipedias. The full report is at Mediawiki.

References are displaying properly, even when nested (bug 50749 or in image captions (bug 52427) Reference lists are now always fully populated with references (bug 50094). Firefox users can insert an existing reference in the first paragraph (bug 52159 Opera users no longer see corruption of categories when a reference was added (bug 50385).

Stray spaces are being stripped from the start of paragraphs to end one of the common <nowiki> problems (bug 51462 We also fixed a round-tripping bug that caused desirable whitespace in templates (used to make templates more legible, e.g., by putting each parameter in an infobox on a separate line) to get corrupted (bug 51150).

Wikilink handling was improved. Users are not allowed to create internal links to invalid titles (titles that are actually impossible due to limits on acceptable character combinations in titles, not redlinks) (bug 33094 You can extend wikilinks, but it won't do so over a wordbreak (like a space) (bugs 49931 and 51463).

A handful of fixes to the user interface were made. The toolbar doesn't float over personal tools after opening a dialog or the inspector (bug 52441 Toolbars were also re-written to be collapsible/expandable, with room for more icons. Buttons in dialogs can now be activated using the Tab and Shift+Tab key commands (bug 50047). This saves time for editors, because you don't need to take your hands off the keyboard to click a button. We fixed a handful of bugs that affected only certain articles or certain browsers, including toolbar buttons in Firefox (bug 51986) and dialog panels that didn't always scroll correctly (bug 51739). Bugs with undo/redo getting confused have been fixed (bug 52113

Images, in addition to getting references displaying correctly, also saw improvements with a set-empty |link= parameter no longer corrupted (51963). We corrected thumbnail images' display so that they look don't wrong in some contexts (bug 51995). Inserted images no longer explicitly set their alignment, but instead inherit the default position in compliance with the Manual of Style (bug 51851).

More edit notices, warnings, and metadata like information about Pending Changes on an article now appear as appropriate (bug 49699). When new articles are created, users are now shown the <newarticletext> message (bug 51459). VisualEditor now handles templates that set "meta" items (like a category) and nothing else better (bug 51322). If the database is locked when a user tries to save with VisualEditor, they now get a message telling them as such and an opportunity to try again, rather than a silent failure (bug 51636).

When you save the page, having the default preference set to "mark all my edits as minor by default" no longer overrides the setting in the save dialog (bug 51515). If you open VisualEditor from a section edit link, the section's title will be pre-filled in in the edit summary box when you go to save it (bug 50872). The size of the save dialog box in the Monobook skin has been fixed (bug 50058). Also, wikipage content handlers like sortable tables are re-run automatically after saving (bug 51565

A very early version of the mathematics equation editor is now available for testing on mw:Mediawiki. If you would like to help improve the user interface for math editor, please test out the extension at mw:Mediawiki:Sandbox and leave your comments directly at the discussion page for the Math Node User Interface at Mediawiki. You should be able to use your regular username and password should to login to Mediawiki.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 17:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for September 5[edit]

This Thursday's VisualEditor update was mostly about stability and performance improvements, and some preparatory work for major planned improvements, along with bug fixes for non-English language support and right-to-left text. Everything that the English Wikipedia received today has been running on Mediawiki for a week already.

Officially, the problem with the link inspector not linking to a specific section on a page (bug 53219) was fixed in this release, although that critical patch actually appeared here earlier.

A number of bugs related to copy-and-paste functionality were fixed (48604, bug 50043, bug 53362, bug 51538, among others). Full rich copy-and-paste from external sources into VisualEditor is expected "soon".

In other fixes, you can no longer add empty ref tags (<ref/>) (bug 53345). Selecting both an image and some text, and then trying to add a link, previously deleted the selected image and the text. This was fixed in bug 50127. There was another problem related to using arrow keys to move the cursor next to an inline image that was fixed (bug 53507).

Looking ahead: The next planned upgrade is scheduled for next Thursday, and you should expect to find a redesigned toolbar with drop-down menus that include room for references, templates, underline, strikethrough, superscript, subscript, and code formatting. There will also be keyboard shortcuts for setting the format (paragraph vs section headings).

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being determined at this time. Generally speaking, languages that depend on the input method editor are not going to receive VisualEditor this month. The current target date is Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:53, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for September 19, 2013[edit]

VisualEditor has been updated twice in the last two weeks. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week.

As announced, the toolbar was redesigned to be simpler, shorter, and to have the ability to have drop-down groups with descriptions. What you see now is the initial configuration and is expected to change in response to feedback from the English Wikipedia and other Wikipedias. The controls to add <u> (underline), <sub> (subscript), and <sup> (superscript), <s> (strikethrough) and <code> (computer code/monospace font) annotations to text are available to all users in the drop-down menu. At the moment, all but the most basic tools have been moved into a single drop-down menu, including the tools for inserting media, references, reference lists, and templates. The current location of all of the items in the toolbar is temporary, and your opinions about the best order are needed! Please offer suggestions at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback/Toolbar.

In an eagerly anticipated upgrade to the reference dialog, newly added references or reference groups no longer need the page to be saved before they can be re-used (bugs 51689 and 52000). The 'Use existing reference' button is now disabled on pages which don't yet have any references (bug 51848). The template parameter filter in the transclusion dialog now searches both parameter name and label (bug 51670).

In response to several requests, there are some new keyboard shortcuts. You can now set the block/paragraph formatting from the keyboard: ^ Ctrl+0 sets a block as a regular paragraph; ^ Ctrl+1 up to ^ Ctrl+6 sets it as a Heading 1 ("Page title") to Heading 6 ("Sub-heading 4"); ^ Ctrl+7 sets it as pre-formatted (bug 33512). ^ Ctrl+2, which creates level 2 section headings, may be the most useful.

Some improvements were made to capitalization for links, so typing in "iPhone" will offer a link to "iPhone" as well as "IPhone" (bug 50452).

Copying and pasting within the same document should work better as of today's update, as should copying from VisualEditor into a third-party application (bug 53364, bug 52271, bug 52460). Work on copying and pasting between VisualEditor instances (for example, between two articles) and retaining formatting when copying from an external source into VisualEditor is progressing.

Major improvements to editing with input method editors (IMEs; mostly used for Indic and East Asian languages) are being deployed today. This is a complex change, so it may produce unexpected errors. On a related point, the names of languages listed in the "languages" (langlinks) panel in the Page settings dialog now display as RTL when appropriate (bug 53503).

Looking ahead: The help/'beta' menu will soon expose the build number next to the "Leave feedback" link, so users can give more specific reports about issues they encounter (bug 53050). This change will make it easier for developers to identify any cacheing issues, once it starts reporting the build number (currently, it says "Version false"). Also, inserting a link, reference or media file will put the cursor after the new content again (bug 53560). Next week’s update will likely improve how dropdowns and other selection menus behave when they do not fit on the screen, with things scrolling so the selected item is always in view.

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being finalized. About two dozen Wikipedias are on the list for Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only, and on Monday, September 30 for unregistered editors. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:58, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter on 16 October 2013[edit]

VisualEditor is still being updated every Thursday. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week. If you haven't done so already, you can turn on VisualEditor by going to your preferences and choosing the item, "Enable VisualEditor. It will not be available on talk pages and some other namespaces.".

The reference dialog for all Wikipedias, especially the way it handles citation templates, is being redesigned. Please offer suggestions and opinions at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. (Use your Wikipedia username/password to login there.) You can also drag and drop references (select the reference, then hover over the selected item until your cursor turns into the drag-and-drop tool). This also works for some templates, images, and other page elements (but not yet for text or floated items). References are now editable when they appear inside a media item's caption (bug 50459).

There were a number of miscellaneous fixes made: Firstly, there was a bug that meant that it was impossible to move the cursor using the keyboard away from a selected node (like a reference or template) once it had been selected (bug 54443). Several improvements have been made to scrollable windows, panels, and menus when they don't fit on the screen or when the selected item moves off-screen. Editing in the "slug" at the start of a page no longer shows up a chess pawn character ("♙") in some circumstances (bug 54791). Another bug meant that links with a final punctuation character in them broke extending them in some circumstances (bug 54332). The "page settings" dialog once again allows you to remove categories (bug 54727). There have been some problems with deployment scripts, including one that resulted in VisualEditor being broken for an hour or two at all Wikipedias (bug 54935). Finally, snowmen characters ("☃") no longer appear near newly added references, templates and other nodes (bug 54712).

Looking ahead: Development work right now is on rich copy-and-paste abilities, quicker addition of citation templates in references, setting media items' options (such as being able to put images on the left), switching into wikitext mode, and simplifying the toolbar. A significant amount of work is being done on other languages during this month. If you speak a language other than English, you can help with translating the documentation.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:00, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for November 2013[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some feature changes, major infrastructure improvements to make the system more stable, dependable and extensible, some minor toolbar improvements, and fixing bugs.

A new form parsing library for language characters in Parsoid caused the corruption of pages containing diacritics for about an hour two weeks ago. Relatively few pages at the English Wikipedia were affected, but this created immediate problems at some other Wikipedias, sometimes affecting several dozen pages. The development teams for Parsoid and VisualEditor apologize for the serious disruption and thank the people who reported this emergency at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and on the public IRC channel, #mediawiki-visualeditor.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Accidental deletion of infoboxes and other items: You now need to press the Delete or Backspace key twice to delete a template, reference or image. The first time, the item becomes selected, and the second time, it is removed. The need to press the delete key twice should make it more obvious what you are doing and help avoid accidental removals of infoboxes and similar (bug 55336).
  • Switch from VisualEditor to the wikitext editor: A new feature lets you make a direct, one-way editing interface change, which will preserve your changes without needing to save the page and re-open it in the wikitext editor (bug 50687). It is available in a new menu in the action buttons by the Cancel button (where the "Page Settings" button used to be). Note that this new feature is not currently working in Firefox.
  • Categories and Languages are also now directly available in that menu. The category suggestions drop-down was appearing in the wrong place rather than below its input box, which is now fixed. An incompatibility between VisualEditor and the deployed Parsoid service that prevented editing categories and language links was fixed.
  • File:, Help: and Category: namespaces: VisualEditor was enabled for these namespaces the on all wikis (bug 55968), the Portal: and Viquiprojecte: namespaces on the Catalan Wikipedia (bug 56000), and the Portal: and Book: namespaces on the English Wikipedia (bug 56001).
  • Media item resizing: We improved how files are viewed in a few ways. First, inline media items can now be resized in the same way that has been possible with block ones (like thumbnails) before. When resizing a media item, you can see a live preview of how it will look as you drag it (bug 54298). While you are dragging an image to resize it, we now show a label with the current dimensions (bug 54297). Once you have resized it, we fetch a new, higher resolution image for the media item if necessary (bug 55697). Manual setting of media item sizes in their dialog is nearly complete and should be available next week. If you hold down the Shift key whilst resizing an image, it will now snap to a 10 pixel grid instead of the normal free-hand sizing. The media item resize label now is centered while resizing regardless of which tool you use to resize it.
  • Undo and redo: A number of improvements were made to the transactions system which make undoing and redoing more reliable during real-time collaboration (bug 53224).
  • Save dialogue: The save page was re-written to use the same code as all other dialogs (bug 48566), and in the process fixed a number of issues. The save dialog is re-accessible if it loses focus (bug 50722), or if you review a null edit (bug 53313); its checkboxes for minor edit, watch the page, and flagged revisions options now layout much more cleanly (bug 52175), and the tab order of the buttons is now closer to what users will expect (bug 51918). There was a bug in the save dialog that caused it to crash if there was an error in loading the page from Parsoid, which is now fixed.
  • Links to other articles or pages sometimes sent people to invalid pages. VisualEditor now keeps track of the context in which you loaded the page, which lets us fix up links in document to point to the correct place regardless of what entry point you launched the editor from—so the content of pages loaded through /wiki/Foobar?veaction=edit and /w/index.php?title=Foobar&veaction=edit both now have text links that work if triggered (bug 48915).
  • Toolbar links: A bug that caused the toolbar's menus to get shorter or even blank when scrolled down the page in Firefox is now fixed (bug 55343).
  • Numbered external links: VisualEditor now supports Parsoid's changed representation of numbered external links (bug 53505).
  • Removed empty templates: We also fixed an issue that meant that completely empty templates became impossible to interact with inside VisualEditor, as they didn't show up (bug 55810).
  • Mathematics formulae: If you would like to try the experimental LaTeX mathematics tool in VisualEditor, you will need to opt-in to Beta Features. This is currently available on Meta-wiki, Wikimedia Commons, and It will be available on all other Wikimedia sites on 21 November.
  • Browser testing support: If you are interested in technical details, the browser tests were expanded to cover some basic cursor operations, which uncovered an issue in our testing framework that doesn't work with cursoring in Firefox; the Chrome tests continue to fail due to a bug with the welcome message for that part of the testing framework.
  • Load time: VisualEditor now uses content language when fetching Wikipedia:TemplateData information, so reducing bandwidth use, and users on multi-language or multi-script wikis now get TemplateData hinting for templates as they would expect (bug 50888).
  • Reuse of VisualEditor: Work on spinning out the user experience (UX) framework from VisualEditor into oojs-ui, which lets other teams at Wikimedia (like Flow) and gadget authors re-use VisualEditor UX components, is now complete and is being moved to a shared code repository.
  • Support for private wikis: If you maintain a private wiki at home or at work, VisualEditor now supports editing of private wikis, by forwarding the Cookie: HTTP header to Parsoid ($wgVisualEditorParsoidForwardCookies set to true) (bug 44483). (Most private wikis will also need to install Parsoid and node.js, as VisualEditor requires them.)

Looking ahead:

  • VisualEditor will be released to some of the smaller Wikipedias on 02 December 2013. If you are active at one or more smaller Wikipedias where VisualEditor is not yet generally available, please see the list at VisualEditor/Rollouts.
  • Public office hours on IRC to discuss VisualEditor with Product Manager James Forrester will be held on Monday, 2 December, at 1900 UTC and on Tuesday, 3 December, at 0100 UTC. Bring your questions. Logs will be posted on Meta after each office hour completes.
  • In terms of feature improvements, one of the major infrastructure projects affects how inserting characters works, both using your computer's built-in Unicode input systems and through a planned character inserter tool for VisualEditor. The forthcoming rich copying and pasting feature was extended and greater testing is currently being done. Work continues to support the improved reference dialog to quickly add citations based on local templates.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter • 19 December 2013[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some toolbar improvements, fixing bugs, and improving support for Indic languages as well as other languages with complex characters. The current focus is on improving the reference dialog and expanding the new character inserter tool.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Rich copying and pasting is now available. If you copy text from another website, then character formatting and some other HTML attributes are preserved. This means, for example, that if you copy a pre-formatted suggested citation from a source like this, then VisualEditor will preserve the formatting of the title in the citation. Keep in mind that copying the formatting may include formatting that you don't want (like section headings). If you want to paste plain, unformatted text onto a page, then use ^ Control+ Shift+V or Command+ Shift+V (Mac).
  • Auto-numbered external links like [3] can now be edited just like any other link. However, they cannot be created in VisualEditor easily.
  • Several changes to the toolbar and dialogs have been made, and more are on the way. The toolbar has been simplified with a new drop-down text styles menu and an "insert" menu. Your feedback on the toolbar is wanted here. The transclusion/template dialog has been simplified. If you have enabled mathematical formula editing, then the menu item is now called the formula editor instead of LaTeX.
  • There is a new character inserter, which you can find in the new "insert" menu, with a capital Omega ("Ω"). It's a very basic set of characters. Your feedback on the character inserter is wanted here.
  • Saving the page should seem faster by several seconds now.
  • It is now possible to access VisualEditor by manually editing the URL, even if you are not logged in or have not opted in to VisualEditor normally.  To do so, append ?veaction=edit to the end of the page name.  For example, change to to open a random page in VisualEditor.  This is intended to support bug testing across multiple browsers, without requiring editors to login repeatedly.

Looking ahead: The transclusion dialog will see further changes in the coming weeks, with a simple mode for single templates and an advanced mode for more complex transclusions. The new character formatting menu on the toolbar will get an arrow to show that it is a drop-down menu. The reference dialog will be improved, and the Reference item will become a button in the main toolbar, rather than an item in the Insert menu.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:48, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for Janaury 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked mostly minor features and fixing bugs. A few significant bugs include working around a bug in CSSJanus that was wrongly flipping images used in some templates in right-to-left (RTL) environments (bug 50910) a major bug that meant inserting any template or other transclusion failed (bug 59002), a major but quickly resolved problem due to an unannounced change in MediaWiki core, which caused VisualEditor to crash on trying to save (bug 59867). This last bugs did not appear on any Wikipedia. Additionally, significant work has been done in the background to make VisualEditor work as an independent editing system.

As of today, VisualEditor is now available as an opt-out feature to all users at 149 active Wikipedias.

  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has a very basic set of characters. The character inserter is especially important for languages that use Latin and Cyrillic alphabets with unusual characters or frequent diacritics. Your feedback on the character inserter is requested. In addition to feedback from any interested editor, the developers would particularly like to hear from anyone who speaks any of the 50+ languages listed under Phase 5 at mw:VisualEditor/Rollouts, including Breton, Mongolian, Icelandic, Welsh, Afrikaans, Macedonian, and Azerbaijani.
  • meta:Office hours on IRC have been heavily attended recently. The next one will be held this coming Wednesday, 22 January at 23:00 UTC.
  • You can now edit some of the page settings in the "options" dialog – __NOTOC__ and __FORCETOC__ as selection (forced on, forced off, or default setting; bugs 56866 and 56867) and __NOEDITSECTION__ as a checkbox (bug 57166).
  • The automated browser tests were adjusted to speed them up and bind more correctly to list items in lists, and updated to a newer version of their ruby dependencies. You can monitor the automated browser tests' results (triggered every twelve hours) live on the server.
  • Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide was updated recently to show some new and upcoming features.

Looking ahead: The character formatting menu on the toolbar will get a drop-down indicator next Thursday. The reference and media items will be the first two listed in the Insert menu. The help menu will get a page listing the keyboard shortcuts. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including support for alignment (left, right, and center) and better control over image size (including default and upright sizes). The developers are also working on support for editing redirects and image galleries.

Subscriptions to this newsletter are managed at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter. Please add or remove your name to change your subscription settings. If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 20:13, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor Newsletter—February 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some small changes to the user interface, such as moving the reference item to the top of the Insert menu, as well as some minor features and fixing bugs, especially for rich copying and pasting of references.

The biggest change was the addition of more features to the image dialog, including the ability to set alignment (left, right, center), framing options (thumbnail, frame, frameless, and none), adding alt text, and defining the size manually. There is still some work to be done here, including a quick way to set the default size.

Looking ahead: The link tool will tell you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. The warning about wikitext will hide itself after you remove the wikitext markup in that paragraph. Support for creating and editing redirects is in the pipeline. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including default and upright sizes. The developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments, some behavioral magic words like DISPLAYTITLE, and in-line language setting (dir="rtl").

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 04:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—March 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on changes to the template and image dialogs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks was the redesign of the template dialog. The template dialog now opens in a simplified mode that lists parameters and their descriptions. (The complex multi-item transclusion mode can be reached by clicking on "Show options" from inside the simplified template dialog.) Template parameters now have a bigger, auto-sizing input box for easier editing.  With today's update, searching for template parameters will become case-insensitive, and required template parameters will display an asterisk (*) next to their edit boxes. In addition to making it quicker and easier to see everything when you edit typical templates, this work was necessary to prepare for the forthcoming simplified citation dialog. The main priority in the coming weeks is building this new citation dialog, with the ultimate goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs, URLs, DOIs and other quick-fills. This will add a new button on the toolbar, with the citation templates available picked by each wiki's community. Concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.

  • The link tool now tells you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. Pages that exist, but are not indexed by the search engine, are treated like non-existent pages (bug 54361
  • Wikitext warnings will now hide when you remove wikitext from the paragraph you are editing.
  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has been slightly redesigned, to introduce larger buttons. Your suggestions for more significant changes to the special character inserter are still wanted.
  • The page options menu (three bars, next to the Cancel button) has expanded. You can create and edit redirect pages, set page options like __STATICREDIRECT__, __[NO]INDEX__ and __[NO]NEWEDITSECTION__, and more.  New keyboard shortcuts are listed there, and include undoing the last action, clearing formatting, and showing the shortcut help window. If you switch from VisualEditor to wikitext editing, your edit will now be tagged.
  • It is easier to edit images. There are more options and they are explained better. If you add new images to pages, they will also be default size.  You can now set image sizes to the default, if another size was previously specified. Full support for upright sizing systems, which more readily adapt image sizes to the reader's screen size, is planned.
  • VisualEditor adds fake blank lines so you can put your cursor there. These "slugs" are now smaller than normal blank lines, and are animated to be different from actual blank lines.
  • You can use the ^ Ctrl+ Alt+S or  Command+ Option+S shortcuts to open the save window, and you can preview your edit summary when checking your changes in the save window.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed to the Interlingual Occidental Wikipedia, the Portuguese Wikibooks, and the French Wikiversity.
  • Any community can ask for custom icons for their language in the character formatting menu (bold, italic, etc.) by making a request on Bugzilla or by contacting Product Manager James Forrester.

The developers apologize for a regression bug with the deployment on 6 March 2014, which caused the incorrect removal of |upright size definitions on a handful of pages on the English Wikipedia, among others. The root cause was fixed, and the broken pages were fixed soon after.

Looking ahead:  Several template dialogs will become more compact. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. You will be able to see the Table of Contents change live as you edit the page, rather than it being hidden. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") may be offered to a few Wikipedias soon.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on 19 April 2014 at 2000 UTC. Thank you! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)