User talk:Bgwhite

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Welcome to my talk page
  • I make plenty of errors - if you are here to complain about a tag or a warning, please assume good faith.
  • If I have erred, don't hesitate to tell me, but being rude will get you nowhere.
  • I will not tolerate any profanity or extreme rudeness. If used in any way, it will be erased and your message not read.

Please Accept My Apologies[edit]

To all members of Wikipedia that have been involved in this case, especially Bgwhite: I'm sincerely sorry for everything: I want to apologize for always giving you guys a hard time with my edits and contributions to any articles here on Wikipedia regarding Jordanian footballers and teams and I sincerely apologize for always ignoring your rules and warnings. I admit I was being selfish, thought I could always get away with it and always have it my way, as well as being too lazy to listen to any of you by ignoring the reasons you provide me as to why some of my edits violate the rules here on this website and ignoring your warnings. I apologize for my rude and selfish behavior. I just wanted to help, and I thought I could by adding more links and references to such articles, but I seriously did not know that using double brackets and this | in the links and references I add was a violation, I thought it wouldn't matter. With all due respect, what's the big deal with that exactly, what harm could be done? Is it only because it's totally unnecessary or what? And what's wrong with providing Arabic links and references here on Wikipedia? I mean, there are lots of articles here on Wikipedia, besides ones regarding Jordanian footballers, that include Arabic links and references. The only reason why I like to provide Arabic links and references to articles of Jordanian footballers here on Wikipedia is because they are the only ones that back up the information of these footballers and make a lot of sense, and there are hardly any English ones out there that help back up the info. Trust me, the Arabic ones are much better because they contain much more, or better yet, all sources of the info I provide. So I provide these links and references as sources to back up the info I provide. And as for all the Facebook links I've been trying to provide for the past few months, which I have also just removed myself for the past few days after I found out why providing certain Facebook links is inappropriate here on Wikipedia, I thought it was completely fine to do that after I saw Lionel Messi's Facebook page provided as a link on an article of him here on Wikipedia, so I thought I could help by doing the same to articles of Jordanian footballers here on Wikipedia, and I thought it wouldn't matter, in fact I thought the same was allowed to be done for any article here on Wikipedia of a footballer. So if it's really the links and references you guys have a problem with, just remove them yourselves from now on without having to revert my recent edits, like manually. As for me, I promise to never ever do this again. I really didn't mean to cause you guys any trouble with all I've been doing, I just wanted to help because I enjoy doing this, and I've been doing all this because I'm the one who created most articles/pages here on Wikipedia of Jordanian footballers, national teams, and clubs and improved all others created by other people. You see, I used to be the only one here on Wikipedia who had access to all the information of Jordanian footballers and teams until I tried to help everyone else here on Wikipedia, like readers and members, giving them access to this information by providing it here on Wikipedia.

So as of for now and from now on, please accept and leave my recent edits and contributions that I have made for the past few days because they are all now totally accurate and I tried to make it easier for you guys by removing Facebook links and the | symbols from the references I've been providing. Will you guys please forgive me, not get me into anymore trouble and not try to stop me from contributing by blocking me. Please let's just forget about all this and allow me to continue contributing because I want to help, is that so wrong? :(

Thank you for your cooperation :)

2014 World Music Awards[edit]

Looks like AWB is throwing up some false positives on band names here; you may want to hand-check this one, especially with foreign titles (I reverted based not on AWB's errors, but due to a COI issue with an IP editing to remove negative information). Nate (chatter) 05:24, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Nate, You are right. Labyrinth vs Labrinth. Never would have guessed. Others were correct, such as the several dont vs. don't. So, spelling does need to be checked in the article. I just fixed the problem I was originally there for, but without fixing the spelling. Bgwhite (talk) 07:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-26[edit]

07:20, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Spike O'Dell[edit]

Bgwhite- I am looking for your advice on the Spike O'Dell wiki page. I apologize ahead of time as I am a new user of wiki. I am trying to update Spike O'Dell's page to include biographical data (ie, his resume and other awards) I have put up his page several times since Friday and it keeps getting deleted. I am wondering what I am doing wrong with the page and perhaps I am coding it incorrectly. I am not sure if you were the original creator of this page or not, I just see your username used at the top. I would appreciate any of your help in this matter as Spike will be inducted into a WGN Walk of Fame on Friday June 27 at the Tribune Tower in Chicago and I was hoping to update and add to his page before this event. I was Spike's producer back in the 90s for 6 1/2 years and wanted to add to his page. I really really appreciate your time and consideration as I am very new to this process. I "use" wiki to look up things all the time for my kids, but I haven't exactly used it to post on a person. I also was having trouble adding a picture in the top right corner. Sorry to bombard you with 20 question. I look forward to your reply. Regards- Thetracinator (talk) 20:38, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

bgwhite- i am writing to you as i'm not sure my first talk was received. i am interested in editing the spike o'dell page and it keeps getting deleted and referred back to your previous entry. please advise. there is no conflict of interest as i am no longer affiliated with him OR any radio station. please advise as i would like to correct this before Friday, June 27. your reply is appreciated. as you might imagine, i am new to the wiki environment and am not trying to harm the system or slander a living person. Merely update his resume to list the stations he worked at and the various projects he worked on during his tenure at the radio station. i recognize that you are a super user of wiki and would love to learn more about how to make edits and additions to the current post that you have written. Thetracinator (talk) 00:56, 24 June 2014 (UTC)thetracinator

Thetracinator, we are a bunch of volunteers who work around the globe. I don't keep normal American hours.
You stated you are a producer of O'Dell's. Even if you are no longer affiliated, you still have a conflict of interest.
I'm not a "super" user. Just someone who is dumb enough to stick around.
If this is 20 questions, you forgot to ask animal, vegetable or mineral. :)
  1. No all caps section headings.
  2. You deleted the lead or starting paragraph. With the removal, you also deleted the references that went with it. This paragraph should stay as it gives the overview of O'Dell. Things can be changed, but it should stay.
  3. The radio career paragraph was added with no references.
  4. Spike-isms and Frequent caller sections, except for one ref, is unreferenced. I don't think they should even be there. Maybe some Spike-isms, but they are not all "Spike-isms". Some are segments of the show.
  5. Charitable contributions: The first one is with the station. It is not a charitable contribution, it was part of his employment. This doesn't mean you can't mention it, but not in a "charitable contribution" section. Cookbook is nice, but needs a ref.
  6. Awards. Most are unreferenced.
  7. Don't write with peacock words. We are supposed to remain neutral and give facts. I think of it as minimal adjectives and adverbs. Examples are: 1) lead to his fateful call. 2) at this heritage station, with the powerful call letters W-G-N.. 3) Created a hilarious segment
I think keep the original first paragraph, minus the last sentence about Steve Cochran. Keep your "early life" and "career" sections, but add more refs. Drop everything else. The important award is the Billboard Magazine award and that is already mentioned in the career section. Maybe it would be better to write a paragraph or two about what a typical radio show of Spike was about. Weave some of the Spike-isms into the paragraph, such as some regular segments were... Use the Jim Rome Show or another radio show as an example of what could be added. Bgwhite (talk) 05:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

bgwhite- i appreciate you taking the time to help me correct my entry as a first time editor. I have done the following per your request.

  1. got rid of all cap headings ( i didn't know that was a rule, apologies. not a problem)
  2. put back the lead or starting paragraph that was originally there as you wished.
  3. the radio career paragraph did indeed have references. I added some more. the paragraph had sentence form of what would be otherwise a bullet point list of his resume. instead of referencing them twice, i simply put the references next to the station names.
  4. i changed the name of Spike-isms to Frequent guests, segments and giveaways on the show. as you can imagine, many of these things cannot be referenced because they were radio segments and there is no audio for them. i'm finding it hard to reference everything as it was the spoken word, not a newspaper column etc.
  5. charitable contributions. with all due respect, the Bite Your Butt Mustard and Condiment line was NOT part of the radio station. That was a seperate venture Spike took on away from the radio station. As you will note in the article, the name of the mustard wasn't the WGN Spike O'Dell Bite your Butt mustard. It was Spike's Bite your Butt Mustard. The cookbook was a legitimate function of the radio station as you will notice on the cover of the cookbook it says WGN Radio presents the Spike O'Dell Bite your Butt Mustard cookbook. I would appreciate your consideration in not deleting this as I have cleared up any misundertandings regarding these two separate things. It was Spike's decision to make them charitable donations and not for profit. It was Spike's decision to have proceeds go to the Tribune Charity, not the radio stations decision.
  6. Awards: The A.I.R. awards by the March of Dimes doesn't exist anymore, otherwise I would have put a citation for that award. There is no website to cite. Same goes for the Lovell Award.
  7. I have gotten rid of all "peacock" words. However, just as a side note, the word "Heritage station" is not an adjective to boast. It is a regularly used term used in the radio industry. Heritage station is the term for an AM radio station that has broadcast a specific format for a sustained period of time. Which WGN has for 90 years.

I believe I have met the criteria you have asked for to allow my entry to stay intact. I would really appreciate you not deleting this entry again without further discussion and allowing me the opportunity to fix, amend or discuss. I believe your intentions are good, but I also submit that you can imagine in radio, before the proliferation of podcasting, there is a fair amount of difficulty in documenting the spoken word. I humbly request that you please stop deleting my entries as I have spent a great deal of time to meet your criteria. Warm regards- Thetracinator (talk) 21:11, 24 June 2014 (UTC)thetracinator

The Intern (2015 film)[edit]

Please check out the User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox1 and move it to The Intern (2015 film) - The target article is just a redirect, so please remove it first and don't leave the redirect, thanks. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 15:50, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Just a minute here, please. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 01:48, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Assassin, could you add a couple of sentences on what the film is about. You should also add links to De Niro's, Hathaway's and the director's articles.Bgwhite (talk) 05:36, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Sure, I'm going to do that. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 10:40, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Is a sock back at it again?[edit]

On 31 May, you deleted Bara' Marei due to sockpuppetry. Today, Baraa Marey was created by Everyoneis1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). Is the same party at it again? —C.Fred (talk) 17:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

C.Fred, yes it is the same party. I had already filed a sockpuppet reports, but sometimes one doesn't always know the sock has returned, so thank you for alerting me. Bgwhite (talk) 04:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you but I just wanted to let you know that I've recreated the article and this time it's clean; no Facebook links, no double brackets and not even this | symbol included. This has to be legitimate and acceptable. Please don't delete my recent articles and please don't undo or revert any of my recent edits. Please I'm begging you, do not undo any of my recent contributions, that's all I ask. I spend a lot of time just doing all this :(

You broke the rules. You pay the consequences for breaking the rules. Coming back week after week with another account and doing the same things doesn't help your cause. Doing the same things that got you in trouble the first time also doesn't help. You just can't understand that this is the English Wikipedia. We use English sources unless no English sources can be found. You just can't make up how many goals one makes or how many caps a player has. You have to go by what the refs say. You didn't listen then and you still are not listening by doing the same things. Bgwhite (talk) 04:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

"not how references are done"[edit]


you left this as a comment on the page I created, but I am confused as to what I did wrong? Wikipedia walked me through the reference citing, and I've viewed many pages done the same way I did them. Any help?

Who are you and what page are you talking about? You need to sign your posts. Bgwhite (talk) 04:35, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

My apologies, this is all very new to me. I am speaking about the page "the celebrity source". you told me to get rid of the "sales pitch" talk, and that I did references wrong. But the page we are modeling after is "commit media", which has some of the same things you flagged me for.

Thank you,

TEAM 77 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Team 77 (talkcontribs) 05:02, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Team 77, that helps. Working on several hundred articles a day, plus a bad memory, equals me being confused alot.
There are two big problems. The "Sample Past Projects" is overly promotional. Refs are not done with a [16] and the ref at the end.
  • For past Past Projects, maybe only use a couple of examples and not do it in a list. The table that lists the examples for Commit Media is unreferenced and should be removed. So, thank you for adding refs.
  • Refs done your way works well in a journal article, because the article never changes. Wikipedia articles are changing all the time. Instead of using <sup> tags, you need to use <ref> tags. Commit Media uses ref tags in their most basic form. An example in Commit Media is: <ref></ref> With the ref tags, the Wikimedia software automatically assigns a number and places it in the reference section. An example for The Celebrity Source would be: <ref>{{cite web|title=Incorporation Reference|url=|accessdate=27 May 2014}}</ref>.
Give a yell if you need any other help. Bgwhite (talk) 05:33, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello and Thank you for your help! I think I have corrected my citations, can you have another look please. Thank you for your time! Team 77 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Team 77 (talkcontribs) 06:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Team 77, much, much better. Thank you. I made some minor changes, but otherwise, it all looks good. Bgwhite (talk) 07:09, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Parvathy Nair Page[edit]

Dear sir,I was added a photo of parvathy nair with kamal hassan was deleted can i fix it. --Abhinand1234 (talk) 07:38, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Abhinand1234, I was wondering why the photo changed. It looks like your photos were deleted due to copyright reasons. The photos were found on other sites and the copyright did not allow for copying them to Wikipedia. Bgwhite (talk) 07:51, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
actually there is no copyrighted issues for the photo..the photo is taken by parvathy's friend with her mobile.and she have no issue of posting that photo in wiki.I posted that photo after asking her,if some site posted that image.actually they do can you help me to fix the image again,--Abhinand1234 (talk) 08:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
actually Image was not deleted ..only from page it was deleted ..I added it back.pls correct the errors .and try to help me. thanks--Abhinand1234 (talk) 09:00, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Abhinand1234, ah, that image. There were two other images that were deleted from the page, including the one that went into the infobox. Sorry, I was confused. I've cleaned up the photo. Bgwhite (talk) 17:38, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

DJ ICEMAN.[edit]

you proposed a deletion for dj iceman on the grounds that he is not notable.

  1. Digital dj pool AND Crate Connect are credible music pools in the dj community and the fact they they only have a handful of djs that they profile means its a pretty special privilege to be there.
  2. 2 million youtube views may not be notable for some,but its plenty notable for others
  3. he is recognized and known by other american djs that are featured in wikipedia such as Rob Swift and Mell Starr
  4. there has been wikipedia pages for far LESS notable djs like the infamous Grandmaster Jay (which has since been deleted because of having false information)

any help in making this page viable and able to be published would be greatly appreciated {{helpme}} thank you

For an article to be include in Wikipedia, it must past the notability guidelines. The guidelines state, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." This not about YouTube views (dogs and cats have more views than him), a person held in high esteem by others or other Wikipedia articles.
DJ Iceman, must have independent, reliable references *about* him. Interviews or articles by him are not independent. Record reviews are not about him. Add the required references and he stays. Bgwhite (talk) 20:34, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
thank you sir ... ~~ Abhinand1234 (talk) 03:56, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Irish Mob & K&A Gang "edits" by you[edit]

Sir: You seem to be part of a clique who, to advance their own interests, monetary & otherwise, purposely suppress any information which doesn't advance those interests. For instance, relying on newspaper & other articles which were either false on their face, or came to become proven false, or are outdated. You also provide purposely misleading information such as your cite to a long prison sentence which was reversed the following year, yet "editing" out the correct information. Your deletion to my two recent books at the same time the site is asking for references is especially odious. It is also a 1st amendment violation. Your website seems to indicate that all this is something you do as a cottage industry. In my case, you have crossed the line, and then some. Any further so-called "edits" by you which either suppress the insertion of true information and/or perpetuate the provision of false or outdated information, or suppress the insertion of relevant and/or pertinent cites, will be met by me first by a formal complaint to Wikipedia,and then, if necessary (because it's a lot of work), by legal action against you and the rest of your clique. Be guided accordingly! J.C. Berkery — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:38, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 27 June[edit]

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Fixed, I think! (You're welcome!) (tJosve05a (c) 04:49, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

RMassist reverted[edit]

Hello! I can not understand. Why have you reverted my adding of Template:RMassist from Parchment paper (baking) article. Is "(baking)" disambiguating word needed? -- (talk) 09:46, 28 June 2014 (UTC) The template does not go into articles. Per the instructions for the template, it belongs on the Wikipedia:Requested moves page. Bgwhite (talk) 07:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Your tag for Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest[edit]

Dear Bgwhite, you tagged the entry for Stevan Harnad for possible Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest. This possibility was already checked by User:Obiwankenobi in June 2013 (see talk page for the entry), with the following conclusion:

Obiwankenobi: Harnad has declared himself and the talk page is appropriately tagged (I updated it to note that he has made edits here.) People can edit their own bio, esp if they are open and disclose who they are, but I think only minor tweaks, removal of blatantly false info, and formatting should be allowed. I'd recommend that major content additions be posted here for review first... --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 05:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)}}

Earlier DGG had posted this:

DGG: Stevan has from time to time asked me to look at this article, but my only actual involvement is that two years ago, I removed a number of links that I thought unnecessary. I have been associated with him in the past in the open access movement, but I think his extraordinarily important role in that is covered sufficiently in the articles on that subject. I suspect that his work in cognitive science is inadequately covered in the biography, but I am not expert enough to add to it, as, quite frankly, much of it is beyond my understanding. I doubt anyone would say Stevan does not promote his activities and causes, but this article is not one of the places where he does so. DGG ( talk ) 21:09, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Have you found any major content additions. since that date? (If not, perhaps your tag can be removed?) Thanks--Stevan Harnad 19:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Harnad, both DGG and Obiwan are two of the very best editors around here. However, that was a year ago and things change. You just added 5 additional refs to a sentence that already had two refs. You have nine refs to state you are on the Board of Directors of Canadian-Hungarian Democratic Charter. That is citation overkill and promotional.... hey look at me and all the things I do. There are blogs and a YouTube talk of yours being used as a refs. This violates that references should be independent and reliable. A year ago the article was fine, but since then it has become promotional and needs to be fixed. Bgwhite (talk) 06:51, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
After trying to get your name right on the ping, could you please use your user name and not your article in your signature. It causes the problem that I just ran into in getting your username right to do a ping. Also doesn't help to click on your signature to goto your talk page. See WP:SIGLINK. Bgwhite (talk) 06:57, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand: What do I need to change to enable the ping. Happy to do it, just not sure what I should do! --Stevan Harnad 19:54, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Beasts of No Nation (film)[edit]

Take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox1 and move it to Beasts of No Nation (film) - Target is just a redirect so please remove it don't leave the redirect. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 10:46, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Please hear me[edit]

Bgwhite, please hear me. This list Adolfas Mekas Bibliography are not articles written by Adolfas. He hasn't written any of them. Those which he wrote are under published works on his page. The bibliography page are articles about Adolfas and his films (none written by Adolfas), many of which have been consulted to write his wiki page Adolfas Mekas. I do not understand the problem, especially since I added a further reading since these apparently can't be references. As for more legitimate references, I'm working on that and they'll be up soon. Please let me know if there are any issues with this. Thanks, Hil Steadman

(talk page stalker) Hi Hilsteadman. Part of the confusion may be the name of the bibliography article. Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Bibliographies: A bibliography on a topic such as biology should be named Bibliography of biology. .... Topical bibliographies where the topic is a person should be named: Bibliography of works on John Doe. This eliminates confusion with John Doe bibliography which lists works by John Doe (an author bibliography). Best, Lesser Cartographies (talk) 15:26, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

A small favor[edit]

Hi! I am not very practical on en.wikipedia and I don't know how to ask the move of a page. Can you move the page Ciriaco de Mita to Ciriaco De Mita? The surname should be written with the capital letter. Thanks--Maremmano (talk) 21:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Maremmano Done. Nice to see you again. I was surprised it had lowercase de as Italian names are usually uppercase. The page was moved in 2004 from uppercase to lowercase. The article does not have an references, could you add some? As always, give me a yell if you need something. Bgwhite (talk) 05:00, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! I will certainly insert the sources in the page :) --Maremmano (talk) 22:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-27[edit]

06:53, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Ashby (film)[edit]

Kindly take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox14 and move it to Ashby (film) - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 00:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Assassin, you had two different date formats in the article. As it is an "American" article, do month first. For being a British colony, sure is interesting what is different between the U.S. and England... accent, spelling, date formats, driving on wrong side of the road... Bgwhite (talk) 04:42, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes I know that B, but I only use British format in the references not in the article content, it doesn't matter there. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 05:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Assassin, you should use the same format in the entire article as this is an American article. If you used American format for a British article, you would be slapped silly. One of these days I'll have to research into why the difference. The accent differences is very interesting. If you heard a Brit and American in 1800, they would sound more or less the same. In 1850, they would sound different. The British accent changed due to people emulating a "fad" among the rich. Bgwhite (talk) 05:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah that's it I think. You know in India and Pakistan, the English accent also changed to American time by time after Britain leave the India in 1940s. But I sort of like British accent, I think they are talking funny even it's a serious talk :). --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 07:18, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Spanish general election, 1993 Map[edit]

Hi, Bgwhite. I copied the code from [[Template:Autonomous communities of Spain|here ++ and modified it to serve the purpose of these maps. While I appreciate your fixings, the size for all of the map's code should be the same. Currently, you put it at 450 for the image in general but left it as 435 for each province/community name, messing up the maps. I've fixed it, already. Cheers. Impru20 (talk) 09:48, 1 July 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for chiming in on the page. There is a discussion section open if you would like to add to it. I support your changes. Thanks! Dbrodbeck (talk) 20:19, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Please help[edit]

Please have a look at this and help if possible, I have no idea who to turn to with this so I'm trying to contact more experienced Wikipedians.

--Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 22:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Comments regarding the recent formation article issues[edit]

Hey, I'm that guy who's been mass producing stubs on American geologic formations. You recently made some changes across a lot of these articles. Specifically, I'm confused about what template or bit of code I should be using to insert the article name. I was told to use the subst:articlename by another user, but your edits imply there is a problem with this approach, and I'm getting confused about how to proceed.

Also, I'd like to thank you for removing the flag templates. Their usage in geologic formation infoboxes is widespread and I had no idea that this usage conflicts with the manual of style. I'll discontinue in the future.

Lastly, I want to express disagreement with your removal of the Paleobiology Database link as a reference. I get where you're coming from- I would prefer to link directly to the content about the formation, too- but I simply can't adjust every url for every article. I think listing it is preferable to removing it because the reference reassures the reader that the information is drawn from an accurate source and allows them to verify the article's contents even though it would require them to take the extra step of searching for the formation manually in the database. I would like to continue listing the Paleobiology Database as a reference in future articles. If you still feel strongly about removing such a link, let me know. Abyssal (talk) 16:29, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Abyssal, I'm confused too when it come to this. @Redrose64: is the expert. Redrose, how do you avoid this when creating articles via a script.
I find it interesting how flags can be a really big source of irritation for some editors. Is it doable to go back to the articles and add the specific reference in instead of the general one? By doable, I mean not a big time sink. This caught my attention because I had just come across several articles that listed a general page for finding prison inmates. Problem being, the page only looked up info via the inmates number, which wan't present in the article. This type of scenario isn't present in your articles, but it would be nice for the reader not to go on a pseudo-hunt. Bgwhite (talk) 21:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
It's exactly the same problem that I commented on here. You need to use all capitals for the bit after the colon, i.e. {{subst:PAGENAME}} otherwise you get {{subst:pagename}} which is a very different beast. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:11, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. (Sorry, I just wanted to bring this to your attention...) (tJosve05a (c) 10:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Josve05a Trying to rub it in are we.... :)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Love you. Hafspajen (talk) 00:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for that restoration of LGBT topics and Hinduism's content, I had read your section[36] I don't know this user, but lets talk about content, it is correct that there are Hindu temples depicting the homosexual relationships of men and women, they also depict the evolution of human, civilization, etc. These temples are not enforcement but they provide idea about the types and history of human. There is no line or even 3 words in all Hindu scriptures that would reject LGBT, and there are more genders in the world than they are officially recognized. You can just say "Removal of sourced content, seek consensus from concerned members", because no one can remove sourced(RS) content at any cost. You should keep Religion and homosexuality to your watchlist, because those who couldn't push their fabrication on LGBT and Hinduism, they ruin this other page. Bladesmulti (talk) 04:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Bladesmulti, my problem is I know next to nothing on Hinduism and I don't edit LGBT pages. Well, I actually don't edit any topic right now. I just go around and fix things. I tend to fix India related articles a bit more because, well, they attract more vandals and horrible, but good intentioned editors than other areas right now. As it appears you know this subject better than I, could you take a look at LGBT history of India. The same user deleted alot from the article, including some of the exact same text found in LGBT topics and Hinduism. Bgwhite (talk) 06:11, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Sitush and Tito, can you help? Bgwhite (talk) 09:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Not really my scene. Redtigerxyz is very knowledgeable about Hinduism-related subjects. - Sitush (talk) 16:37, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Though I have experience with LGBT themes in Hindu mythology, I have hardly dealt with the article in question. I will take a look tomorrow and check if I can help. --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:56, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Dear all, I have made some changes in the article and not all earlier removals of content were justified, the article needs to be rewritten to get rid of copyvio (some of it I have removed) and OR by interpreting primary sources, which still exists in the article. --Redtigerxyz Talk 13:16, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Redtigerxyz Bgwhite (talk) 21:46, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Sicario (film)[edit]

Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox1 and move it to Sicario (film) - Thanks. The target article is just a redirect so remove it first. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 12:40, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

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Your recent deletions on a film page[edit]

Hello! Thank you for your guidance on my recent edits. I had some questions regarding the deletions made by you on the Zinda_Bhaag page. The last time you deleted information (all cited with sources) about the poster, the project under which the film was conceived and the review section. The review segment was written in paragraph form with few direct quotes (all cited). The reason given by you was that the writing style was too 'POV'. Therefore I changed it and only gave direct quotes from the reviews with author names and cited sources and it was deleted again and your edit summary said that 'only positive reviews' cannot be provided. My request is to not delete but enhance the page with negative reviews or whatever other information you would like to add to it. Since all sources are cited it would easy enough for you to access all the reviews and add any material that you feel makes the review section more objective. This would also be in keeping with the wikipedia protocol, again quoted from here: WP:Dispute resolution

"Follow the normal protocol When you find a passage in an article that is biased or inaccurate, improve it if you can; don't delete salvageable text. For example, if an article appears biased, add balancing material or make the wording more neutral. Include citations for any material you add. If you do not know how to fix a problem, ask for help on the talk page."

I will try and rework the 'reviews' section again but would request you to 'edit' BUT not delete as I'm citing my sources for every thing I'm putting into the page. Thank you Kokokarina (talk) 12:26, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Kokokarina, you had 16 reviews listed and all were positive. You have *never* listed a negative review. No widely released film in history has ever received 100% positive reviews. No film has ever been perfect and when a critic likes the film, there are also parts they do not like. Wikipedia is about being neutral, not all one-sided. You also listed only partial sentences and even listed only one word, "hit" as the entire review. This give absolutely no context. The sentence might be, "This film is not a hit". One word reviews are for movie posters, not Wikipedia. Therefore, nothing was salvageable. It is not my job to do your job. You job is to add a neutral point of view. Also, reviews are rarely listed as a list. Paragraphs are recommend. Bgwhite (talk) 22:26, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

The previous review section was written in a paragraph form which was also deleted by you on 2nd July. That text was definitely salvageable. It was in response to your comment about POV' that I quoted direct phrases from the reviews. More importantly, in that deletion a whole lot of other sections of the page including the one on the poster, production company, the south asia masculinity project- all that information was lost. There was no justification provided on your part for deleting those segments- which were purely informational and cited sources. If you are an editor its definitely your 'job' to 'edit' and not press a button and undo everything. I think wikipedia is quite clear about how editors are meant to deal with neutrality and we should just follow that protocol. If you didn't care to make edits or add 'balancing' material then you should have left me a message and I would have responded likewise. If that is also something you cannot do you must at least be more discerning when deleting material. Having said that I'm going to incorporate negative segments from reviews as per your suggestion in the future.Kokokarina (talk) 08:52, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Kokokarina Edit summary was: "Edits were so overly POV that it was sickening to read." Everything removed was POV. You have also added copyrighted material... aka copied and pasted. You can argue all you want. But these edits have been removed multiple times by multiple people. You are also reverting multiple editors without reason or stating why on talk pages. As you are doing the exact same edits as previous blocked editors, either you are the same person who was blocked or this serves as a warning that you can be blocked for the same reasons.
As you have reverted to a version that was clearly labeled for copyright reasons, I have reverted to the last good version, the version with no copyrighted material and no POV. I have also initiated a WP:SPI investigation as you are doing the exact same edits as previous blocked users. Any more copyrighted material added will be removed and will result in a block per WP:COPYVIO. Any POV material previous deleted but added again will be removed. It is your job not to add POV or copyrighted material. Bgwhite (talk) 09:18, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

But how is the information like this copyrighted material- or POV? These are simple facts and sources have been cited but they have been deleted by you again. Could you please explain your position. I'm providing some examples of what has been deleted by you and if you could please explain how any of it is copyrighted material.

Segment on Awards: "Zinda Bhaag was Pakistan’s official entry to the 86th Academy Awards, Foreign Film Category. With Zinda Bhaag, Pakistan made an entry to the Oscars after a gap of more than fifty years. While the film reached the ‘long list’ of the foreign film category, it failed to make the final short list of nominees.(More than one citation provided)The film won four awards for best film, best music and two awards for the acting category at the International South Asian Film Festival in Canada. It also won an award at the Jaipur International Film Festival(Again two sources provided).Recently, the film won five awards at ARY Film Awards, including 'Best Film (Jury), Best Actress (Jury), Best Story, Best Background Score and Best Playback Male Singer for Rahat Fateh Ali Khan (Again citation/source provided)." THIS WAS DELETED.

Segment on Theatrical release: "First look of Zinda Bhaag's trailer was unveiled on 18 June 2013.(Reference provided) This film was earlier set to release in Pakistan on the 6th of September but due to a backlog of unreleased films, the release of ‘Zinda Bhaag’ was postponed to 20 September 2013.(2 references provided) 'Zinda Bhaag' has been released in 11 states of US as well on 18 October 2013.(Reference provided). The film was theatrically released in the UAE on 16 January 2014 (Reference provided)." THIS WAS DELETED TOO[1]

I could provide more examples but I think that would be unnecessary.

Also despite my initiating a discussion with you here to understand your position - rather than explain anything to me you are effectively threatening to 'block' me? I'm trying to understand why you need to undo complete pages rather than the particular material that you find problematic? I think it would be better if you explained to me why and which material is 'copyrighted'. If there is indeed anything that you feel is copyrighted why don't you just remove/delete that portion- what is is the reason that you undo all the work in one go? What is most unfortunate is that you have reverted to a version which is severely dated (for instance the information on release) and with several factual errors (like the wrong names and credits) and dated citation of sources. Thank you Kokokarina (talk) 12:12, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

  • There were 13-15 paragraphs deleted with the majority a Copyvio. If you don't think some material is not a Copyvio, then add it back in. All you copyright violation additions makes it hard to see the wheat for the chaff.
  • Example of copyright: The paragraph, "The journey that unfolds through the story of this film gives us a peep into what constitutes the everyday in the lives of many young men and women in Pakistan ...." is copied word for word from [37], [38] and other spots.
  • Alot of paragraph consist of quotes, attributed and not attributed. "Lohar and Jawwad have sung a song on love and death while Bagga has contributed his vocals to two tracks, an upbeat dance-bhangra number and a romantic ballad." is copied directly from the ref, but is not attributed. We are supposed to use are own words with occasional quotes, not 1/2 that article made up of quotes.
  • I was not threatening you with a block. Just stating that the exact same edits you are making got other editors blocked. Bgwhite (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, thank you for taking the time out to explain this to me.

You will notice from the history of the page that both the examples quoted by you have not been added by me but by some other editors (See 6th June 2014 edit by another editor). Anyhow I got your point about 'objectivity' and 'balance' for the paragraph that was added by me and will follow that in future edits. Kokokarina (talk) 14:11, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-28[edit]

07:07, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Quincy Troupe[edit]

Thanks for your two copy edits at the top but everything else was pretty censorious. Okay, it's in a CV style, but rather than take all that material out, did you consider changing the objectionable content to paragraph form before completely deleting it?--Aichik (talk) 18:38, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Aichik, don't ever use the stop icon on a person's talk page like that. It is offensive.
It was an unreferenced list of every academic position taken. This isn't done even for longtime PhDs at Harvard in list or paragraph form. Other stuff was either unreferenced, CV or promotional. "... he became a celebrity in the academic world, winning an American Book Award for 1989's ". "minor celebrity" is peacock. The award was unreferenced.
Your revert also removed fixes for a broken quote, converting html into wikicode and fixing the entire "On June 11 2002, Troupe was appointed]California's first poet..." paragraph. Bgwhite (talk) 19:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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Aichik, well that was totally uncalled for. You don't like my response, so you take it to ANI, call me edit warring and level I'm not editing in good faith. Per WP:BURDEN, "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material..." (emphasis not mine) Bgwhite (talk) 20:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Rhododendron Comment[edit]

I am at a total losss to understand all the changes you just made to Rhododendron. I am intensly suspicious of AWB which has wrecked many articles I have worked on. I took the liberty of reverting while I investigate each edit to determine its validity. For a start - why change so many references without providing justification? --Michael Goodyear (talk) 00:11, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Mgoodyear I arrived there because of a template programming variable found in the article. That is supposed to be the justification of the edit summary per long drawn out talk messages. There were two identical references that were combined into one. This was clearly obvious. This is part of the genfixes section of the edit summary. I routinely visit your articles because there are problems. Missing brackets and missing/double small tags are usually the main reasons. I fix articles that have been borked, nobody every thinks I can make a mistake too, therefore I get yelled at. Bgwhite (talk) 00:18, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for drawing my attention to this - I would have discovered this in due course since I am in the process of consolidating all citations in the Reference section as part of preparing the page for GA. Actually it is a good deal more complicated than that, yes I can see that there were two references, 2 and 35 that were identical, introduced by different editors. However replacing all Brown with Craven did not fix the problem because there is actually a reference to Brown 2006 - I think the reference name got mixed up somewhere, so I shall have to check each mention of each citation throughout the text. Now explain to me what you understand by the term template variable, a new concept to me, since you say it should be self explanatory. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 03:38, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Mgoodyear, it is always fun when cleaning up an article. Sorry, I didn't mean the template variable was obvious, it was the refs. The template variable in the article was, {{{width|400}}}. If the piece of code was in a template, it would mean variable width equals 400 (width=400). In an article, it just means 400. Very few people know about this and it can confuse editors, so I try to remove it. Your name is a dyslexia delight. I keep seeing moodyear. Congrats on getting the article to GA. That isn't an easy accomplishment. Bgwhite (talk) 05:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Bot misinterpreted braces[edit]

Please see this mistaken edit by your bot. The braces are there to indicate sets. They should not be removed. JRSpriggs (talk) 03:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

JRSpriggs you trick adding spaces works though. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 14:16, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
JRSpriggs. Oops. I'm sorry about that. I did add it to the whitelist, so this won't happen again. But, it looks like I added it after the bot arrived while checking it manually as it was still reporting an error. Bgwhite (talk) 17:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
To Bgwhite: Thank you for adding it to your white list.
To Magioladitis: The editor who put in the text about sets was not satisfied with my "fix", so he took out the blanks and wrapped "<nowiki>" around it instead. I hope that works with any other bots which might be tempted to make the same deletion as BG19bot did. JRSpriggs (talk) 08:38, 10 July 2014 (UTC)


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I've tried to work with this user, but it appears they have no intention of working with others, once the personal attacks started I'm not entirely sure where to go. ♥ Solarra ♥ ♪ 話 ♪ ߷ ♀ 投稿 ♀ 08:56, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Solarra Yup, I would have to agree. If they don't want to listen, then there isn't much anybody can do. Bgwhite (talk) 17:36, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


Not sure who, but someone had paid tribute to your bot(BG19bot). OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 17:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone, probably the same someone who keeps trying to change the bot's password. Just lovely, I have my own personal stalker. Bgwhite (talk) 18:05, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

SubContrabass Saxophone page[edit]

I have being keep the Subcontrabass Saxophone page up-to-date with the latest information dealing with Subcontrabass Saxophones. I actually own a real Subcontrabass Saxophone and want the correct information out there. Unfortunately, for some reason, you think my changes are promotional and have undid my changes twice. I don't sell these instruments, I just own one and it is the very first real full-sized subcontrabass saxophone ever built. I also mention the other manufacturer of subcontrabass saxophones. If you think something I posted is promotional, please let me know what and why you think it is promotional. Thank you very much for your time. TAWhite (talk) 20:53, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

  • As the edit summary stated, there can be no link from any article to userspace. You are putting a link in the article to your user page. This is never allowed. Per WP:UPYES, "... encyclopedia articles should never link to or transclude any userspace pages." (emphasis not mine).
  • You are adding a photo of yourself into the article.
  • You are inserting yourself with the statement, "In September 2012, instrument manufacturer Benedikt Eppelsheim of Munich, Germany completed building the first full-size subcontrabass saxophone for Todd A. White.". See WP:COS
  • Your user page was completely promotional and you linked to it.
Remove yourself from the article. The article is not about you. Keep the photo as showing the size of that HUGE thing is relevant, just don't mention you. Bgwhite (talk) 21:33, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 8 July[edit]

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Thank You[edit]

Thanks for fixing the LA City Controller template - new to Wikipedia and didn't know the best way to do it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiLAGuy (talkcontribs) 05:48, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

WikiLAGuy, thank you for the kind words. If you ever have questions, don't hesitate to ask me. Bgwhite (talk) 17:58, 9 July 2014 (UTC)


I don't understand your latest edit in DEK: I already got that rather {{reflist}} instead of my <references /> shall be used. But what's the point about mixing reference-definitions with the body. I like to define them at the bottom and then just write a reference by name. Is that discouraged? Can you point me where's a guideline for this? I'm just starting to edit some more often in the English WP. -- Kays (talk) 13:37, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Kai Burghardt, your code is not doing what you think it is doing. Of course, according to the wife, I never know what I'm doing. Your code had two opening ref tags and no closing tags. I've updated the article to do a list-defined refs system correctly. Bgwhite (talk) 18:15, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh, dammin', you're right: I re-viewed one of my versions and indeed I've missed closing one ref-tag. I didn't see that in your diffs. -- Kays (talk) 18:47, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Kai Burghardt Dang, I need to show my wife that I was indeed right for a change. Don't worry, it won't happen again for a long time. Bgwhite (talk) 20:39, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Sleeping with Other People[edit]

Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox1 and move it to Sleeping with Other People - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 14:47, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Assassin, could you add something about the plot first. Bgwhite (talk) 19:15, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 01:55, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Assassin, I just noticed it didn't have categories. Could you add whatever cats would be appropriate. Bgwhite (talk) 04:10, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I would, as I always add categories after you moved them, thanks. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 05:10, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

ANI Notice[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. You are being put on notice for extreme rudness, trolling, name calling for my attempt to work with you on Disney_Channels_Worldwide. Spshu (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2014 (UTC)


He did edit warring for Clarity (Zedd song). It was User:ChrisHamburg's IP address. Can you create SPI for Chrishamburg? (talk) 05:11, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah, both IP and user has same edits on Blue (Da Ba Dee). (talk) 05:16, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
I have not a clue who you are, but Andrzejbanas would probably be a good guess, thus you would be doing the same thing. This doesn't rise to SPI level. Anyone can start one, so if you feel the evidence is strong enough, then you can. SPI's can take 3-7 days to resolve, so it is slow. As this is a content dispute, taking it to WP:DR is probably the best bet, plus it is alot faster. Bgwhite (talk) 05:24, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Wow, way to go. Came here cause I got a notification. The aforementioned IP address is based in the UK, I'm not even a resident of the United Kingdom. --ChrisHamburg (talk) 10:11, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Peoria article[edit]

I saw the reversed an edit on the Peoria article that reflected the "future" opening of the The Block in 2012. The future tense didn't make any sense for a project that that has been open for two years. Can you tell me why you did that? Dbroer (talk) 12:07, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Dbroer, I reverted the edit because the IP editor added their signature to the article. Bgwhite (talk) 17:53, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I see that but wouldn't it make sense to remove that rather than the factually correct other parts of the edit? Usually when someone makes a positive contribution to an article and there is a small spelling, grammatical or improper wiki code I'll fix that rather than just undo the whole edit. Given that, will you undo my edit if I change the verbiage again back to what they put? There was nothing factually incorrect about it. Dbroer (talk) 18:58, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

The Whole Truth (2015 film)[edit]

Please take a look at User:Captain Assassin!/sandbox1 and move it to The Whole Truth (2015 film) - Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 17:52, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Informal note[edit]

Hey, I notice that you have HighBeam access and you seem to have a few topicons. That being said, if you are interested, I've created {{Wikipedia:HighBeam/Topicon}}. No reply to this message is necessary (and I won't see it unless you ping me), just wanted to let you know it was available. Face-smile.svg Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 00:14, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

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Integration of Parsoid based Linter with Check Wiki[edit]


If you recall our discussion on this thread, As a part of my GSOC project I am building a parsoid based linter. And, We are ready with a small demo. Please read this post to read more about the current state of the linttrap.

Now, As our next steps we are planning to integrate lintrap with checkwiki. It will be nice for checkwiki to have all the information that is generated by linttrap. It'll be great, if we can have a small discussion on IRC or a Hangout ?

Hardik95 (talk) 20:51, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Hardik95 Hangout would work best. I'm generally available from 21z-02z, but can do 17z-2z if scheduled earlier.
The checkwiki database schema can be found here. There are only two tables for you to worry about, cw_error (which contains the actual errors) and cw_overview_errors (which contains the meta-data). The fields are pretty explanatory, but ok contains "0" if error is not done and "1" if the error was fixed.
One concern I have is when a dump comes out, checkwiki deletes all errors and starts again with the dump. Errors get fixed by regular user edits all the time and restarting with a dump keeps everything upto date. I'm not sure how this will work with lint Bridge. Bgwhite (talk) 23:18, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Articles' move proposals[edit]

Please take a look at following articles and move them.

Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 20:01, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Another one is here:
Assassin... plot Bgwhite (talk) 23:21, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I remember, I just proposed it in hurry, I thought you'd be gone :). --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 23:28, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-29[edit]

07:48, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
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