User talk:Billyshiverstick

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Hello, Billyshiverstick! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. You may benefit from following some of the links below, which will help you get the most out of Wikipedia. If you have any questions you can ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or by typing four tildes "~~~~"; this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you are already excited about Wikipedia, you might want to consider being "adopted" by a more experienced editor or joining a WikiProject to collaborate with others in creating and improving articles of your interest. Click here for a directory of all the WikiProjects. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field when making edits to pages. Happy editing! DVdm (talk) 13:17, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
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In response to your feedback[edit]

A WYSIWYG editor is in the works and will become the default eventually, see:

Thanks for your contributions.

Ariconte (talk) 01:06, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


Edit summaries[edit]

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I noticed your recent edits to General relativity do not have an edit summary. Please provide one before saving your changes to an article, as the summaries are quite helpful to people browsing an article's history. Thanks! These were good edits, by the way! Cheers - DVdm (talk) 13:17, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I've been working on these, and adding my Billyshiverstick (talk) 04:23, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

June 2012[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Zoot suit riots, please cite a reliable source for your addition. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Hello. In all likelihood, the newspapers were in fact owned by whites. But you must find a source that explicitly says that, and you can't place that info in front of other existing notes... It requires careful work... Thanks. – Ling.Nut (talk) 14:57, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Bronwyn Oliver[edit]

Thanks for helping with Bronwyn Oliver. I'm reverting or tweaking some of your edits for various reasons, which I will try and summarise in the edit summaries. Others however are great and have improved the article. Not sure whether the image will survive review of its non-free use rationale - let's see. hamiltonstone (talk) 03:08, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi again - please don't link the RoslynOxley gallery in the text. See WP:ELNO. Give me a moment, and i'll do an EL compliant with the guideline. hamiltonstone (talk) 03:21, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

My thoughts on editing[edit]

Welcome to my talk page.

I like to edit the style and sentence structure of articles to help them communicate better. Sometimes I get into adding content, where I feel an important perspective is missing.

I find the editing language and tools to be well conceived to produce a durable and consistent encyclopedia, but I find them difficult to use, and poorly instructed on the site.

My overall impression though, is that Wikipedia is a miracle, and the open-source nature is a step forward for human behaviour.

{{helpme}} I added a link in the top of the "machine head" article I was editing, and got lost in all the shortcuts {[|]} etc. Can someone who knows the system please tidy up the extra }} symbols floating around? I find it very challenging to have "missing text" on the edit screen, words which only appear on the main screen, yet are interspersed with content you do see on the edit screen. The "about" shortcut. Better to have the automatic phrase show up in another colour. Thanks Billyshiverstick (talk) 16:00, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Done. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:14, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Yorkshire cricket Featured Article[edit]

I saw your comments on the talk page. You'll find WP:WIAFA a useful read. And here's a belated welcome to Wikipedia. --Dweller (talk) 07:29, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

In response to your feedback[edit]

Hello Billyshiverstic, congratulations! Thanks for your feedback!

Webclient101 (talk) 00:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


Orphaned non-free media (File:Bronwyn Oliver's sculpture "Vine".jpg)[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svg Thanks for uploading File:Bronwyn Oliver's sculpture "Vine".jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Hazard-Bot (talk) 04:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi - just letting you know I had to remove this from the Bronwyn Oliver article as it did not meet the criteria for non-free use (mainly because it is replaceable by a free image, as the sculpture is in a publicly-accessible location). Cheers, hamiltonstone (talk) 05:56, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Honestly, I don't understand what either of you are saying. If the image was in use in another article, it stays? That is a circular argument. If it can never be in the first article, how can it be in the second?
Meanwhile, the image is not protected or copyrighted, it is vital to the article, and you remove it. You "had" to remove it? Nobody forced you to remove it, you just did. If somebody actually owns the image and forbids its use and removes it, fine. Why not just leave it?

Whatever... I'll just stay home then. Billyshiverstick (talk) 03:58, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

In response to your feedback[edit]

You seems to be under the false impression that copyright doesn't matter. It does. If we didn't really care about it, Wikipedia might be sued like crazy and then it wouldn't be here anymore.

I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 01:16, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


Boy, the way you are trying to put words in my mouth is pretty irritating. I'm not talking about ignoring copyright, I'm saying that "Wikipedia might be sued like crazy" is being used an an excuse for people who don't even own the pictures to run around like little Nazis deleting them. The picture policy is hugely cumbersome, ridiculously defensive, and a quality black hole for Wikipedia. Case in point, Linda McCartney's estate is not going to sue Wikipedia for the use of a picture. Not, not, not. You can't be sued for using a picture if you remove it on request from the owner. Simply crediting the author would be more than enough in 99.999998 percent of cases. It is a good concept gone way too far. Billyshiverstick (talk) 01:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, then you can make your own wiki and deal with copyright however you see fit and see what happens. The owner doesn't need to request you to remove it, they can just say you used it without permission and can file for damages. Until then, the community doesn't really have a say about how we deal with copyright since it is a matter of law and liability. You can say it's overly conservative, but crediting the owner is not really enough. Most people get their pictures from the internet. Some of them come from news agencies who do not really care whether you have credited they author. They care that you used it without permission. This is probably true for many other entities who hold copyright to images as well. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 06:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

In response to your feedback[edit]

The editor within the browser would need to be more like a code parser, like Emacs-- I'm not sure that browsers are capable of doing that yet.

I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 02:07, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


A cookie for you![edit]

Choco chip cookie.png Thanks for copyediting Maria Tallchief. Much appreciated! ThaddeusB (talk) 02:14, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

June 2013[edit]

Information icon Thank you for your contributions. Please remember to mark your edits, such as your recent edits to MacKeeper, as "minor" only if they truly are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". Thank you. Taroaldo 03:23, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Page range for citation in Laura Secord article[edit]

Hi, could you please find out the page range for the "Laura Secord" chapter of The Defended Border; Upper Canada and the War of 1812? It's needed to complete the citation of the quote you added to the Laura Secord article. Curly Turkey (gobble) 07:29, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

links to headers in articles[edit]

Hi Billy, I replied to your question in User talk:DVdm#links to headers in articles. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 06:41, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what you're talking about, but if it's the one I think, it's not actually labelled as a photograph, it's labelled as a photochrom, which is a method of colourizing a photograph using a number of lithographic plates (the number can vary, but often quite a few. I've heard over a dozen quoted.

Generally, restoration can be considered:

  1. Remove dust and scratches, attempting to remove distracting artefacts, but not change the image more than is necessary. In some cases, small areas will be reconstructed, if this is significant or questionable, I'll specifically mention it.
  2. Colour adjustment. When I've done the scan, the adjustment will be done against the original, attempting to duplicate it as near as possible (Obviously, more recent images will reflect this more). Otherwise, I'll use rules of thumb based on my experience with other images of that type. Intent matters: I'll remove yellowing from paper where it's distracting and it's clear the original was white, especially in mass-printed material where there's a thousand other copies out there.
  3. Changes to reflect intent: In some woodblock prints, distracting gaps form due to the woodblocks that make up the image having become spread out slightly. These are distracting and are basically a printing artefact. (This hasn't come up for a while, admittedly).

Obviously, there is some risk of small changes that shouldn't have been made, but, if you restore reasonably conservatively, you can limit the extent of these. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:19, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I see what you mean. I'll have to be really careful next time a photochrom comes up for Today's Featured Picture - I didn't notice that it didn't explain the technique used. Thanks for the heads up! Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:40, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


Hi Ben,

Just to let you know that I've responded to the message you left to my Talk page on "Edit Wars". Regards, Susie. TrueHeartSusie3 (talk) 18:14, 3 February 2014 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3


Hi Ben, thanks for your edits to Black Sunday (storm). I've fixed the quotes; Wikipedia uses straight quotes but you seemingly accidentally introduced curly quotes. To avoid this in the future, turn off smart quotes in whichever word processor you use to edit Wikipedia. Graham87 03:20, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

No worries. I've moved your message from my user page to my talk page. Graham87 02:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC)