User talk:Biomedicinal

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Sign up for the WikiCup 2014 (sign up here, it will be fun. We can help each other. And would you like to review the Many-banded krait article, which I nominated for GA status. It is nowhere near GA status, but when I'm done with it, it'll be a much expanded article. By the way, Black mamba has become a GA article. I plan going for FA when I have more time. --DendroNaja (talk) 00:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks and congratulation! Your contribution is recognized! Biomedicinal

Thanks! If you want to review my nomination for GA status of the many-banded krait, just go [here. I think I saw it listed at #13. Click review this article. --DendroNaja (talk) 03:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


Here is OK?[edit]

I was editing the Wikipage of Harbin Institute of Technology for the benefit of Wikipedia readers, but not for any personal interest. I found the page controversy among editors, including Anna Frodesiak as a manager.

Clearly the controversies are in the main page as follows:

1. The description of "C9 League research university". This description is quite unclear. Of course the main page should be brief but Wiki also needs to present readers the most useful and direct information. We need to weigh it.

2. The statement of "it is widely recognized as one of the top universities... in mainland China". It is true not only according to the academic evaluation but also to the internal positioning by the Ministry of Education of the Government of P.R.China. HIT gets the 2nd amount of grant every year and the Chinese student recognize it as top engineering university to attend. So as you know the ranks have their own evaluation criterions and ranks cannot say everything of an organization. That's why we need to consider about the locally public praise. Of course we didn't cover students in HK, Macau, or Taiwan but it's always better to avoid such matters. The real thing is well known.

For Wiki, copy editors contribute a lot but the knowledgeable informants also play an important role. Everyone should be respected here as I respect your profession. We should stick to the principles and be flexible as well.

马兴毅&#124Halin&#124마흥의 (talk) 03:12, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

It's very true that everyone should be respected and that's why I've kept asking for your reasons of edits.

1. It's fine if you think it's a clearer way to present. The way I used is adopted from Ivy League universities' pages.

2. Concerning with your claim of HIT being widely recognized as one of the best universities in China, multiple sources other than rankings should be cited (like the academic reviews or public opinion surveys) and it was done on the pages of Harvard and Stanford. "Local public praise" can be somewhat subjective and everyone can use it as a reason to promote their schools on wikipedia. So, if you can find various robust references like reviews from experts or statistical reports (such as what you said China's Ministry of Education), just go and add them. This is an encyclopedia not a promotional article and any information without supporting citations can be challenged or controversial. Plus if it's really the "real thing" being well known, why don't let the facts speak for itself? Readers will know the reliability of the materials if they read the sources.

3. Regarding the statement about "top engineering university", you used the word "among" which implies it's "one of the best" but not "the only best" and this is proven by all those local league tables you provided, none of which is topped by HIT. As I know, Tsinghua is also regarded as one of the best local engineering universities.

4. Would you please point out which part of this page supports the claim of secret projects affecting HIT's international status (or ranks and cooperation as you wrote). The source should be directly relevant.

Biomedicinal 03:51, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


Thanks. So I think you need to learn more about HIT and then you can come back for a revision. I could give you these links to get the proof of "HIT undertakes plenty of researches and projects with official secrets (e.g. space science and defense-related technologies) which may affect its international ranks" and public praise, etc: http://www.malab.se.ritsumei.ac.jp/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/OB_quan.pdf, http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/09/kuaizhou-china-launches-new-rocket/, http://en.hit.edu.cn/about.asp, http://www.baike.com/wiki/哈尔滨工业大学, http://caoxuehui.blog.sohu.com/112816496.html, http://52daxue.blog.sohu.com/101640151.html, http://edu.sina.com.cn/gaokao/2011-06-07/2109299486.shtml, http://baike.baidu.com/link?url=AmUj2h8Z-vSLTzZxTrKpYHInTIEyE_g55AOx8yyfR2K-G1Ob6KWjdovd9Oj3djkS. If you really need detail information about the development and level of HIT's space science and defense-related technologies, I have to say sorry because there's confidential policy. If your laboratory conducted military project with high technology, will you join in the academic rank? Is it reasonable to force you to show the evaluation data? If you say that may be individual opinion but not truth you may read the references I gave to you. Actually I also don't have time to concentrate myself on this information page. I don't want to target at you at all from now on.

马兴毅&#124Halin&#124마흥의 (talk) 05:28, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Do you know blogs aren't normally regarded as robust references because of the reliability problem? Moreover, two of the above links are free encyclopedias also. I'm an editor of Baidu Baike (百度百科) as well and many articles there contain materials without citations and are full of promotional statements. This article is only about its wealth so where is the claim of "affecting international ranks and cooperation"? By the way, you still haven't pointed out the part of this page that supports the claim yet (it'll be treated as an irrelevant source otherwise). Yes, I understand national military projects may be confidential and every university has its own direction or focus of development, regardless of its ranks. So, why do you seem to be so eager to stress HIT's ranks and prestige? A single sentence mentioning it being ranked among the best national engineering schools by local league tables is well enough, as did on pages of Peking University and Tsinghua. I think reliability and verifiability outweigh the importance of simply providing long details here on wiki. But thanks for your time "targeting at me" and this information page anyway (regardless of the time I spent on pressing all my reasons).
By the way, verifiable and robust sources can be cited directly instead of asking people to come and visit my talk page here for those links.
Biomedicinal 03:51, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

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