User talk:BlackHades

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Citation clutter[edit]

Hi! If you didn't notice, just to let you know that I re-grouped the citations on the GM controversies page yesterday. I was looking over the history today and I saw this edit which means that my edit was (unintentionally) a revert. Sorry for not opening a discussion. :-) As I mentioned in the edit summary, the rationale is WP:CITEKILL, especially the last section ("How to trim excessive citations"); also see Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Bundling_citations. I'm happy to talk further if you'd like - there are a couple of other places where this issue should be addressed but I'll wait for your response before proceeding. Arc de Ciel (talk) 22:28, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I understand. I reverted earlier because there was no explanation for the grouping but if the explanation is WP:CITEKILL I'm perfectly okay with it. BlackHades (talk) 22:34, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Sounds great! Thanks. Arc de Ciel (talk) 22:04, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Moving comments on WP:DRN[edit]

Hi! Generally, dispute resolution volunteers are given a lot of leeway when it comes to things like moving the current discussion to the bottom, collapsing or even (in severe cases and after several warnings) deleting comments or asking someone to leave if they violate our guidelines. (The usual procedure involves getting at least two other volunteers to agree -- we don't want to give anyone undue power)

On the the other hand, we try to discourage participants from doing that, because emotions are often running high and other participants can be quite touchy. There is no rule against it, and nobody will get into trouble over something like this, but things run a lot smoother if you drop me or another volunteer a line on our user page if anyone -- volunteer or participant -- moves something that you think should not be moved.

BTW, I really like the way you are approaching this. Sometimes it is a struggle to get participants to present calm, rational arguments, but everybody involved -- and you in particular -- are making some insightful arguments. Keep up the good work. --Guy Macon (talk) 10:25, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Could you do me a favor? I will have no problem if you decide not to. Originally, I wanted my "write up a paragraph saying 'here is what I think the best reasons...'" request to be at the bottom so as to maximize the responses I would get. Through some reverting, it ended up not at the bottom, and you ended up being the only one who responded. Rather than opening up a potential can of worms by moving something again, I decided to just ask again at the bottom. Would you be so kind as to answer again at the bottom? It can be mostly cutting and pasting. As I said, I am OK if you don't want to do this, but it would help.
Also, please note the wording of the question. I asked for an answer to the first question, a wait for the other fellow to answer, then an answer to the second question. I hope that this will encourage more back-and-forth dialog compared to answering both questions at once. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:35, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
I appreciate the suggestion of the experiment to help resolving the dispute. It was a good idea of yours and would have helped but it only works if everyone agrees to partake on it. Unfortunately no one else seems willing to. I do commend your patience with all of us through all this. :-P BlackHades (talk) 19:42, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your amazing responses on Talk:Race and genetics which really impressed me and made me appreciate you explaining that in such detail. Rainbow Shifter (talk) 21:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. :) BlackHades (talk) 21:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Race and genetics RfC[edit]

Hi BlackHades, I've just closed your RfC. I just wanted to thank you for setting up such a well-structured RfC. It was very clearly explained and laid out, which made it easy to follow and close. Almost a pleasure. :) Best, SlimVirgin (talk) 20:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. :) And thanks for the assistance in summary and closing. BlackHades (talk) 20:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:03, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Comments on other editors at Talk:Human Genetic Diversity: Lewontin's Fallacy[edit]

Article talk pages are not the proper venue for your views on the motivations of other editors. E.g.,

To be honest, I was surprised at the length Aprock was willing to go to block and impede important relevant content simply because it doesn't match his personal position.
— User:BlackHades 21:45, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Regardless of the fact that, without very strong supporting diffs, the above allegation constitutes an unacceptable personal attack on a long time editor of good standing. — ArtifexMayhem (talk) 04:11, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I never started the discussion on Aprock's conduct. Kobayashi245 and WeijiBaikeBianji were already having it. I joined the discussion but I was really just trying to bring up the point that we shouldn't have the same long and drawn out situation that occurred in the previous article, happen in this article, since we are discussing the exact same content. But I think we all want to move on from this now so let's just all move on. BlackHades (talk) 05:05, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Global warming[edit]

Hi, You can't change text based on a new RS without also changing the RS cited in the text. You went from 90% to 95% (which is fine) but you left the cite to AR4 instead of changing the cite to the AR5 Working Group #1's "Summary for Policymakers" (which is not fine). NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 07:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and update the refs. BlackHades (talk) 19:02, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

What current sources are you recommending on human population structure and genetic variation?[edit]

Hi, BlackHades, after the lengthy discussion of Richard Dawkins's book The Ancestor's Tale (a book I read a few years before the discussion on some of the Wikipedia article talk pages came up), I was wondering what more current and more scholarly sources you recommend on the issues of human population structure by lineage of descent and genetic variation among and between various human populations. I ask, because I will be making another library run to a huge university library in the next day or so, so I thought I'd look up any sources you particularly recommend. I have good access to the full text of both books and journal articles from that library. It looks like it will be helpful to carefully check the wording and emphasis of current medically reliable sources, a kind of source I have been reading since the 1970s, to help resolve some of the editing issues that have come up repeatedly on several of the articles on both of our watchlists. I would be grateful for any source suggestions you have. I have added a few sources just in the last day or so to my source list on related topics, and I would be delighted to hear about other sources. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 02:27, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Sure. I will look into it and compile a list together for you in the coming days. BlackHades (talk) 02:39, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. My next library run looks slated to be today, but the library will still be there the next time I hear about new and useful sources. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 17:07, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

AE[edit]

Given the recent post to your talk page, do you think it is time for AE for this editor? Boomerang time? Dougweller (talk) 07:56, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

He is a new editor. I tend to give a little more leeway toward new editors since they don't often seem to be very familiar with procedures and policies. But even still, he is starting to go too far. I just put a 3RR notice on his talk page so if he still doesn't undestand after this, or at least show some willingness to try to understand, then yeah it would be time for AE. Especially on top of the "active arbitration remedies" notice you've already provided him. BlackHades (talk) 11:12, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Ok, but no more rope. As you and I don't seem that much in agreement over content, this would be a impartial report if it has to be made. Dougweller (talk) 14:10, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
It would be delightful if the new editor visiting these pages we watch would read some of the better sources, and then provide talk page discussion of what those mean, but if his approach to editing is not source-oriented and collaborative, we may as well invoke discretionary sanctions for what is, after all, one of the most edit-warred articles on Wikipedia already. I'll suggest an accessible source over on the article talk page. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 14:43, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

NPOV[edit]

A discussion here[1] may interest you. SpaceBobber (talk) 08:55, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

New SPI[edit]

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Allthekidsinthestreet. Dougweller (talk) 07:40, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

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