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Madeley Wood Company

Here is the full history of the article Madeley Wood Company -- I did not rename it. I suggest that if you have any questions about the article that you post a message on the talk page of Peterkingiron who is a major contributor to that article. -- PBS (talk) 20:48, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

OK further investigaion, leads me to understand your confusion (and mine): In 2006, I created a redirect from Bedlam Furnace to Madeley Wood Company, but I did not rename the article. -- PBS (talk) 20:53, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Because I created a redirect does not make me an expert on this company. I have posted a message to user talk:Peterkingiron he is far more likely to be able to answer your questions than I am. -- PBS (talk) 18:15, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

OK I've done some Google searching. Before I started there were two possible origins that I could see for the origins of the name bedlam. The first was that there is a place in Shropshire called Bedlam and Wikiepdua has an article on it: Bedlam, Shropshire and it was possible there was a link, but this was unlikely as they were half a county away from each other. However a Google search on ["Bedlam Furnace" name] returned a page Secret Shropshire - Bedlam furnace I refined the search to ["Bedlam Furnace" lunatic] and searched Google Books. It returns what I think is a reliable source and a good explanation for the term "Bedlam Furnace":

Jonathan Andrews (1997). The history of Bethlem (illustrated ed.). Routledge. pp. 5, 6: footnote 3. ISBN 9780415017732. The great water-colourist John Sell Cotman pained the Bedlam Furnace near Madeley in the Severn Gorge; ... the Methodist preacher John Fletcher of Madeley was famous for his millennial prophesies saying 'our earth's the bedlam of the universe, where reason (undiseas'd in heaven) runs mad' ... For further examples of metaphoric, proverbial and jesting uses of the term ....

So form that sources it seems to me that the name "Bedlam Furnace" is metaphoric (the place appeared to the painter to resemble a lunatic asylum), and simultaneously a jest at the expense of Fletcher of Madeley (1729–1785) by Cotman (1782–1842). Well "you live and lean!"-- PBS (talk) 13:31, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

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About pronunciation of the word "Bonawe"

Would you like to say me how to pronounciate the name of the hamlet of Bonawe? Which variant is the correct? [boneɪw] or [bonɔː]? And one another quation yet. How to pronunciate the Scottish Gaelic name of this settlement which is written by Englis as Bun Abha, [bʌn ʌbʌ] or [bʌn æbə] or any how else? I need this information beacose I want to write an article about Bonawe and its Furnase on my native language.

It's a good question but not well suited to a helpme request, which calls random people who answer questions to your page without any reason to think they would have particular expertise with Gaelic pronunciation. I suggest you head over to the language section of the reference desk. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:39, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I am a native speaker but of American English, so I don't think how I would pronounce it really would help you at all (Scottish English and American English are pronounced quite differently—so much so, that many Americans have trouble understanding at all someone with what they would call a "thick Scottish accent", though, of course, what is a "thick accent" is always relative to the speaker). Also, I have no understanding of IPA, so I would just be typing to the best of my phonetic spelling, which probably doesn't work well unless the person seeing it is also a native English speaker. Well, for what it's worth, bahn-uh-way.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:51, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

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Bonawe

In (Scottish Standard) English I'd say [bonɔː]. I'm afraid my Gaelic is about zero. User:MacRusgail will probably know. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:56, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I answered you on my talk page mate! Akerbeltz (talk) 14:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Might as well copy and paste-...

Hiya. Well, how you pronounce it in English depends on the accent, there are some pretty radical difference between Scottish English and Southern English. In Scottish English it would be /bon'ɔː/ (stress on the second syllable). The Gaelic is easier ;) That's [pun'a.ə] in close transcription. Hope that helps. Akerbeltz (talk) 14:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Way not write this careful information in the article Bonawe? What's wrong with a doing of this? Transcription of the word "Bonawe" in the article Bonawe will be very careful information for foreing people who is reading this article. And two quations yet.

Do you know what does mean the word "Bonawe"?

Is the pronunciation [boneɪw] acceptable (permissible) too? Is the pronounciation bahn-uh-way (I read this like [bʌn-ʌ-wei ]) correctly too? Are all these variants permissibles or not? Blast furnace chip worker (talk) 15:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Ok, the easy one's first. I just can't be on every page at the same time :) Next... the meaning is "mouth of the (river) Awe", tha Gaelic word bun (literally "base") is translated as "mouth" when talking about a river.

Assuming you're talking about the English pronunciation: [boneɪw] no, bahn-uh-way no and [bʌn-ʌ-wei] no again. Most place names which are derived from Gaelic broadly speaking mirror the Gaelic pronunciation, though usually not very accurately. In other terms, the normal rules of pronunciation almost never apply to Gaelic derived placenames, which is why all of your three suggestions are totally wrong. That aside, you were parsing the name wrong (which is understandable of course), it's bon + awe, not bon + a + we.

PS I just notices it was Fuhgettaboutit who suggested bahn-uh-way - it's still wrong though. It's a common problem, not only in Scotland, that placenames derived from a 3rd language are often very very hard for non-locals. In turn, place-names like Michigan, Massachustetts or Biloxi are confusing to people on this side of the Atlantic, as they're derived from native american words. Akerbeltz (talk) 17:11, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your exhaustive answer. It was interesting and careful information. Blast furnace chip worker (talk) 17:26, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Your're welcome! Akerbeltz (talk) 17:32, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

"Bh" is never pronounced as "b", it has the same relationship "ph" has to "p" in English, i.e. "bh" = "v" (sometimes "w"), and "ph" in English is pronounced "f". I second Akerbeltz's comments.--MacRusgail (talk) 17:40, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand what you are talking about. You mean Bun Abha is not equivalent to the [bʌn ʌbʌ] or [bʌn æbə]. Akerbeltz have already explained to me that the Gaelic pronunciation of the word Bun Abha is pun'a.ə But now there remains to undestend one thing yet, why we have to pronunciate pun'a.ə but not pun'apə? Blast furnace chip worker (talk) 18:15, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Because in some cases, intervocalic bh, dh, gh, mh, th in Gaelic can represent hiatus :) Akerbeltz (talk) 19:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast

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Coalbrookdale

I doubt that you will be able to get at most of what has been been written recently on Coalbrookdale without access to a good library that stocks the relevant periodicals, membership of the relevant Societies, or a willingness to spend significant money on "pay for view" on the Newcomen and Economic History Societies' websites:

• Articles by me and others in Footprints of industry (BAR British Series 2010). I sought to ensure that the unfilled gaps in the history appeared there
• My 'Sir Clement Clerke and the Adoption of Coal in Metallurgy' Trans. Newcomen Soc. 73(1) (2001-2), 33-52.
• My 'Dud Dudley's contribution to metallurgy' Hist. Metall. 36(1) (2002), 43-53.
• My 'The choice of fuel in the 18th century iron industry: The Coalbrookdale accounts reconsidered' Economic History Review 64 (1) (2011), 132–156.

The relationship between Dud Dudley and Abraham Darby was discovered by Carl Higgs. The full version of this is on the Black Country Society website. I would be able to provide an electronic offprint of my EcHR article, but would need you to contact me by e-mail; also (I think) Footprints of industry. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:50, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Which date of the race is correct?

{{helpme}} There are many links that containing several different dates of the race between Tom Thumb (locomotive) and the horse. Wich date is correct August 18 1830 [1] [2] [3] or September 18 1830 [4] [5] or August 25 1829 [6]? If August 25 1829 is not the date of the race then there is a mistake in Wikipedia here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1829_in_rail_transport. Blast furnace chip worker (talk) 15:05, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I see you have already posted it on the appropriate talk page. You could also ask on one of the help desks WP:RD.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:09, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for posting to my page. It is outside my areas of expertise and not of much interest to me. In general go with the most authoritative source and then footnote that other reliable sources use a different date. If authoritative sources differ then mention both dates in the text and an explanation as to why:

"The race was run on either on August 18 or September 18, 1829 (sources differ)^[1]"

At the top of may talk pages there are brown boxes to Wikiipeida project groups that have an interest in the subject in the case of Talk:Tom Thumb (locomotive) it is Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains so posting a question to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains could present your question to experts in the subject. In this case I'll copy the question from my talk page to that page for you. -- PBS (talk) 21:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Blast furnace chip worker (talk) 06:40, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Queenshill

I only know a little bit about Cyrillic, but I think "Куиншил" is based on a misreading, with "sh" being assumed to be one sound, whereas the "s" and "h" are almost certainly part of two separate syllables. I think "Куинсхилл" is probably more accurate, although I know there are problems representing "h" in Cyrillic... isn't it sometimes turned into a "g"? Regarding "hill", I looked up Churchill on Russian wikipedia, and see he is down as "Черчилль", which suggests that there might have to be a "ь" at the end.

"[kwiːnz hɪl]" is probably the right one. I don't know if the "h" is elided locally.

That said, there are some odd local ways of saying various names, so I'm not 100% on this! --MacRusgail (talk) 14:44, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

MacRusgail! Your answer is factful and rich in content as always. Unfortunately there no links in your answer. It is too unfortunately that Forvo and Ainmean-Àite na h-Alba (AÀA) ~ Gaelic Place-Names of Scotland have no information about Queenshill. Well, I have to continue my search.

By the way. Because Churchill is down as "Черчилль" on Russian wikipedia does not make "hill" suggested that there might have to be a "ь" Soft sign at the end. The "ь" mustn't be in both Ukrainian and Russian variants of this word. Blast furnace chip worker (talk) 17:25, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I am aware that AÀA is a quango of sorts, but I find some of their material dubious, for various reasons (The fact they've only managed to produce a short list of names, in their several years of existence, is pretty telling. I've no doubt they're comfortably funded as well.) If you are determined to get to the bottom of this, you probably need to find a knowledgeable local. Some things the internet's pretty useless for, and I'm afraid this is one of them. --MacRusgail (talk) 16:30, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I think my further investigaion leads me to find an answer to my quation. Here one can to see the alternative name of the place Queenshill, near Kirkcudbright which is Queen's Hill. There are many others "hill"s up there in the neighbourhoods. It might be the answer to the quation but to strengthen the matter I may be will go to establish contact with some local people or local authorities. I'll contact the Scots Pairlament if need be.

Well, while the answer to the quation about Quennshill seems to be almoust clear I'v got another problem. Now I need an explanation about pronunciation of the word Govan. Why one have to pronounce this word as [guvan] but not [govan]? Joking apart. I am serious. As I know “O” is never equale to “U”. I am going to wright an article about Govan. I will contact a man who put a transcription GUV-AN in the article too. Blast furnace chip worker (talk) 21:03, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Stop edit warring at Ukraine

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John Smeaton

John Smeaton to whom you found reference was a noted engineer. Your reference says that he erected cast iron bellows, not that he invented them. There were several inventions for new blowing methods in that period. The inventor is probably Isaac Wilkinson. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:25, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

George Parry

If you want this sort of help from me, I think you should contact me off-WP at peterkingiron@blueyonder.co.uk. See:

• Proceedings of South Wales INstitute of Engineers 1 (1858), 26-39.
• WKV Gale, Iron and Steel (Longmans. London 1969), 52.
• Day & McNeil, Biographical Dictionary of the History of Technology (Routledge, London 1996), 541. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:35, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

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category name

I would suggest that "blast furnace cooling system" is probably acceptable. However, I rather doubt that you have enough content on this to merit a category in WP Commons. I would suggest something that will have more scope to be populated. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

There is the c:Category:Blast furnaces steel shells, wich contains some files on this. But what about File:The intestines of the furnace.jpg, File:Duisburg (DerHexer) 2010-08-11 045.jpg, File:Landschaftspark Duisburg-Nord Heißwind-Ringleitung 8.JPG and meny others of this kind? Well, may be I am realy to create this category. Blast furnace chip worker (talk) 20:31, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

• I have also replied to this and a subsequent query on my own talk page. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:41, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

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