User talk:Bmf 051

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Sorry for the edit on a on-going game[edit]

Oops. I was distracted and saw something that said it was over and I didn't take time to verify it. Sorry again.Equineducklings (talk) 03:33, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Bmf 051 (talk) 03:34, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

2015 CONCACAF U-20 Championship[edit]

Regarding your live match edits at the U-20 Championship article, I've never seen such edits performed during matches before today. Even last week, I had not noticed articles being updated during the match. I presume that a big reason for that is that it makes it more tedious to review an article's history if necessary. I understand that there isn't a true consensus regarding in-match updates of articles (WP:LIVESCORES technically doesn't apply to WP:FOOTY), but it seems to me to violate the spirit of WP:NOTNEWS. That said, I will no longer revert such edits in that article as it is not in anyone's interest for edit wars to begin, especially over what amounts to minor details. Happy editing! — Jkudlick tcs 05:23, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

WP:NOTNEWS doesn't apply here. Simply being recent doesn't necessarily make something news. The "spirit" of WP:NOTNEWS is to prevent editors from using WP to aggregate things that are recent, not necessarily notable, and potentially transient. I'll focus on the last bit, because I think that the consensus is that the goals are notable (since nearly every football event article lists goals scored). In the case of mid-match scores (vs. listing the goals and who scored them), the mid-match score lacks permanence, and therefore is news. The goals themselves, however, are not transient. If "A. Footballer" and "B. Footballer" both score, and the current score is 1-1 as a result, the 1-1 score is news because it could change before the match is completed (which is why I didn't add the score itself). However, the fact that "A. Footballer" and "B. Footballer" scored will not change, and therefore isn't news. Bmf 051 (talk) 06:19, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
That is a valid point that I had not previously considered, and it makes perfect sense. Thank you. — Jkudlick tcs 08:21, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

2015 CONCACAF U-17 Championship[edit]

I am perfectly fine with putting goals in as they happen. As far as I can tell yellow and red cards aren't posted because people only care about goals. Since we are the main people editing this we can probably decide how we want to do it. I'm perfectly fine with putting goals in as they happen if you let me put in at least red cards. Let me know. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.71.91.37 (talk) 00:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but it's not really up to me in regards to the red cards. This is a collaboration, and it's up to the community to provide a consensus when users disagree. Both I, and apparently User:Chanheigeorge (who does a lot more editing on FIFA articles than either of us) don't think they belong and have both reverted you at some point. You disagree with us, which is fine. But it is up to you to find a consensus, since you're the one deviating from the norm (by that, I mean other similar articles don't have cards listed). For now, we'll just leave both the goals and cards off to make it easier for all of us to focus on other aspects of the article. If you get a consensus in your favor, then great: we'll add the cards. One other note, might I suggest creating an account? (Wikipedia:Why create an account?) Bmf 051 (talk) 01:02, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
I did find that in order for yellow or red cards to be shown the box scores should be made to be collapsible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Football_box/Archive_1. I'll create an account in a little while. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.71.91.37 (talk)
That's perfectly acceptable to me. I think the reason people don't use Template:Football box collapsible more often is that it mixes the cards and goals together, rather than keeping separate lists. But this is a much better solution than adding penalties to Template:Football box. But, when you make the switch, make sure to write multiple goals by the same players like this:
{{goal|37||81}}
instead of this:
{{goal|37}} {{goal|81}}
. It makes the markup less cluttered. Bmf 051 (talk) 01:42, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Season results in progress[edit]

How do you determine the MLS weekly standings if all teams are playing uneven schedules? What is your source? Khvmty (talk) 15:03, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

I follow the rules set out by the MLS, word-for-word. The standings and regulations are both listed on MLS's website (note where it says "Source" under the standings on the 2015 MLS season article). It is done the same in other leagues (see, for example, 2014–15 Chelsea F.C. season). Bmf 051 (talk) 17:29, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Why not then create a table in 2015 Major League Soccer season article to reflect all teams' positions for the season, like the one here? Or add the conference and overall placing to each team's Results by Round, like here. Khvmty (talk) 19:18, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
That's really a separate subject altogether. I'm not against doing that (assuming you're not talking about doing that instead of what we're doing now). I'm guessing the only reason there isn't a table like this already is because nobody's gotten around to doing it. Also, from 2012-2014, is that MLS didn't really have rounds in the same sense that other leagues do, due to having an odd number of teams. So some teams were playing their 10th game, while other teams playing the same week were playing their 9th. The purpose of those tables are to show graphically a team's position over time, but it's less effective at doing that with a season structured like MLS's was (a week-by-week table probably would've made more sense). That's less of a problem now that MLS has an even number of teams again (though, some teams currently have played 3 matches while others have played 2). Bmf 051 (talk) 19:44, 25 March 2015 (UTC)