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talk page structure[edit]

Hey BN,

It would really help if you were more careful about structure on talk pages - they are hard to follow in the best of cases, and if you play fast and loose with indents, quotes, and the like they become impossible. so, as a general rule:

  • Use colons to indent responses (one colon equals a short tab in wikitext). e.g.
first comment
: second comment
:: third comment
:::fourth comment

looks like:

first comment

second comment
third comment
fourth comment
  • outdent (make text flush left) when you are starting a new thought (loosely put). you can also outdent when things get too cramped on the right, but then use the {{od}} template to show that you've done that.
  • make sure that quotes are highlighted effectively, so that people can easily distinguish between what you're saying and what you're pointing to. use italics or<blockquote>...</blockquote> blocks to do this. there are also some more high-toned quotation box templates if you need them.
  • try to keep talk as linear as possible - the more you intersperse comments, the less sense it will make to later readers.

thanks! --Ludwigs2 17:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice and info. I've actually been trying to do that—but evidently not recognizably. Starting a new thought isn't a problem. Elaborating something in mid thread is more of a challenge. Maybe that's where it gets confusing?
Note that here I've doubly indented since your bullets are indented.
Where is the {{od}} template documented? Searching for templates is in general not obvious to me e.g. at [[WP::Template_messages]] and Category:Wikipedia_formatting_and_function_templates. /Bn (talk) 21:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
You don't ned to double-indent to account for bullets - people understand that. best thing for you to do is use the 'show preview' button - look at what you typed and ask yourself: 'is anyone going to get confused by this, or is it clear who's saying what'?
tempaltes can be found (mostly) at wp:templates, though usually the best thing to do is when you see something interesting or unusual, edit the page and inspect what people did to produce it. uch of the time when someone points you to a template (as I did above), they use the special {{tl}} template that creates a link - click the link and it will take you to the template page, which will usually have documentation you can read. --Ludwigs2 01:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Right. I didn't notice that {{tl|od}} is rendered as a link, it looks just like my input text.
I've done a fair amount of spelunking from the WP:templates page. There's a lot, and I haven't found a way to use search in that area at all effectively. Sure, I'll be learning by example over time. And also from my mistakes — for example, I just mistyped {{WP:templates}} in the preceding sentence, which greatly 'enriched' this page with unexpected content. Which is of course exemplifies why I always preview. I've been working with markup languages since starting with troff at BBN in 1982. My work for Cisco is currently mostly with XML and as a member of the DITA Technical Committee (OASIS).
As I say I thought I was keeping things clear, but obviously I need to be more attentive. It may be that I'm just too used to seeing my way around fusty markup tags and I don't notice what would be confusing for others. Thanks for letting me know! /Bn (talk) 18:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Maurice Gross[edit]

Hi Bn, on the talk page of Maurice Gross, can you specify the exact version of corresponding French article you used. You can used Template:Translated page for this purpose. Plus presently the article is missing a lead, please summarize important points of the article in a lead.--Vigyanitalkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 01:54, 10 October 2013 (UTC) Done. Bn (talk) 02:17, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of WhoWhatWhy for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article WhoWhatWhy is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WhoWhatWhy until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:29, 8 October 2014 (UTC)


If you don't mind me asking, what's the basis for your knowledge that an article about WhoWhatWhy is coming out in January and that the magazine has requested that details be held until publication? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 04:59, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I contacted Russ Baker and asked him about independent reliable sources. Bn (talk) 01:43, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Do you have an off-wiki connection to WhatWhenWhy beyond that? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 04:00, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

No. No CoI. Bn (talk) 21:29, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Would you mind moving this comment to Talk:WhoWhatWhy#Restructured? The AfD page is not really a place for extended discussion about identifying primary vs. secondary sources, especially when I raised the issue in connection with the primary sources tag rather than in connection with deletion. Please keep your comments at AfD short so that other editors and closing admins can evaluate all of the arguments without having to troll through a long back-and-forth. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 17:51, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't mind. I'm sure editors will read both. On a completely unrelated (friendly/cautionary) note, I suggest being careful with that sense of the word "troll". I'm familiar with it, but once when I used "trolling" unambiguously in that sense I got bit by a rather prickly editor who said I was calling him a troll. Bn (talk) 00:29, 18 October 2014 (UTC)