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- 1 Sandra Navidi page
- 2 Disambiguation link notification for April 13
- 3 Thank you
- 4 Party finance in Germany
- 5 Notifications box replacement prototypes released
- 6 Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer
- 7 Courtesy notification
- 8 Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
- 9 Misleading headings for two articles
- 10 June 2013
- 11 RFC of interest to you
- 12 Merge proposal
- 13 What do you think of this?
- 14 The Wikipedia Library Survey
- 15 Disambiguation link notification for December 15
- 16 Link to Agile Self-Assessments checklists and tools
Dear Boson: Creation of this article was my assignment as a college project, which required that the subject be a notable figure. Sandra Navidi is a public figure in the global economic and financial communities. I had noticed her first on Wall Street Warriors and researched her further. Wall Street Warriors was a TV documentary that profiled her professional and personal life as a woman on Wall Street. It was broadcast in over 25 countries and ranked # 1 most downloaded documentary on iTunes for two consecutive months and thereafter maintained top rated for several more months. Since then she's been scrutinized by various international media outlets and from different angles over several years. The biographical and factual statements have been corroborated by multiple reliable sources that are not paid for by or affiliated with the subject. This Wikipedia article has accumulated over 6700 views in the last 90 days, which seems to be indicative of significant public interest. She is googled so much that when you enter just the letters sandra n in the search box, her name is the top hit. She has achieved significant accomplishments in her own right, and through her contributions has influenced the work of people like Nouriel Roubini, (who stands among the world's best known & most respected economists) and business leader legends like George Soros. The profiles in the article’s external links were all independently researched and written by the respective journalists. Ms Navidi has been retained by many reputable companies and universities for public speaking engagements all over the world. Since 2009 she has given over 400 interviews as a financial expert on international media outlets; for example Bertelsmann, Springer, Burda, n-tv, RTL, CNBC, CCTV, Phoenix TV, Huffington Post, AOL, France 24 and over 200 business websites. I made recent changes to the article to provide the information that you & your editorial team felt was necessary, and removed information that you felt did not belong (including superfluous references and peacock terms). The acknowledgement given to Ms. Navidi in Dr. Roubini's book may seem trivial, but is actually quite significant due to his position as one of the world's top economists. It is my belief that this individual meets all of the notability requirements for a Wikipedia article and that a remaining room for subjective discretion doesn’t negate that. Whytestone (talk) 19:24, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- I appreciate your comments posted at the deletion discussion page. Over the last week I've re-read the article (trying to think like a Wikipedia editor) and removed elements that had a promotional feel to them. I attempted to tone it down and stick to the facts. Another editor gave suggestions on several references that were not suitable, and I removed all of those this afternoon. If you advise your thoughts on what other elements you feel are promotional or are not worded properly, I would be happy to make additional adjustments. Whytestone (talk) 01:17, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
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Party finance in Germany
Hi, can anyone please explain to me why this article has a C-class rating? I have improved it months ago and there was no change in the rating. As I am quite interested in the topic I would rather get some help on how to improve it. Thank you! Khnassmacher (talk) 05:47, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- WP:GER currently does not assess at higher than class B, since we have no formal class A assessment process in place.
- I have taken a look at the assessment and checked the class-B criteria.
- As you will see, I have left "grammar and style" and "supporting materials" unchecked for the time being.
- "Grammar and style": There are a couple of typos/spelling mistakes that need fixing. Otherwise, I think the style meets B-class criteria, though it could be improved.
- "Supporting materials": I think the article might benefit from some graphic elements to break up the text a bit and illustrate the figures.
- As regards further improvements (not necessarily required for B class):
- I think the introduction could be improved to provide a better summary of the article (see WP:LEDE).
- I'm not sure that the bulleted list is appropriate in the introduction (see WP:PROSE).
- Though I think the references are adequate for B class, there are some evaluative statements that could do with better attribution. Some evaluations seem to be presented as fact, and I'm not sure that is always appropriate.
- --Boson (talk) 13:01, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Dear Boson, thank you for providing such detailed information. As for "Grammar and style" I will try to deal with the typos, however, beside that I feel unable to do much because my native language is German and my English may not suffice to provide more improvements. As for "supporting materials" data and graphs are available, but unfortunately I am unable to do the uploads etc. As for the "introduction" I will give it a try maybe next week (that would include the bulleted list). As for "evaluative statements" I'll check it out. As you may see from the above conversation regarding "NPOV" this may be just a matter of wording. Are unexpected/ surprising facts evaluative? Khnassmacher (talk) 06:07, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
- I have had a "constructive look" and fixed the typos that I found; so that should remove the resulting grammar problems. I also changed a few things to make the article more in line with (my understanding of) WP:MOS. When I have a moment, I will try a bit more copy-editing. The English is good but, as a native speaker, I might be able to improve the style a bit. As regards the graphics, I am no expert, so I can't help much, but if you have some figures that you could put on the talk page, I might be able to construct a bar chart; there is also a graphics expert I know from WP:WikiProject European Union who might be able to help with some graphics, if you know what you would like (e.g. pie charts). As regards "evaluative statements", I was thinking of things like
- ". . . stipulations of the German Basic Law have been far ahead of other constitutions in modern democracies:" This comparison with other states appears to be unsourced.
Although that's a plain fact, I can't think of any source. However, here is my reasoning: Older constitutions (like the U.S.) do not even mention "political parties", let alone make any prescriptions for the activities (Just remember George Washington's Farewell Address!) More recent constitutions, say the Italian of the mid-1940s and the French of the late 1950s, assign a role to political parties but don't make any prescriptions either. The German Basic Law of 1949 bothered to state that "parties have to account to the public for their sources of funds". No research needed - plain professional knowledge. How can you go about it in Wikipedia? Khnassmacher (talk) 05:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- "Four events or decisions may have caused this trend: . . .". Since this is opinion or speculation I would prefer to have it sourced, to avoid "original research", though rewording to stress the changes more than the causation would also be an option.
Hi, Boson, many thanks again for taking such a great interest in the article! I appreciate that very much. Above I have entered two comments to your valuable details. Early this morning I enlarged the introduction first and during the day I will go on improving the text without hurting any of your contributions. After that I'll prepare some data and put them on the talk page first (not without giving a short notice to you). Khnassmacher (talk) 06:08, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- The problem with "stipulations of the German Basic Law have been far ahead of other constitutions in modern democracies", as I see it, is that it might falls foul of WP:OR/WP:SYNTH. I think Wikipedia defines "original research" in a very restrictive way (reasoning is limited to things like simple arithmetic) because several editors can contribute to an article and we do not verify credentials, meaning that we cannot rely on an unknown editor having the necessary background knowledge and skills to make correct assessments. "Other constitutions" implies "all other constitutions" without explicitly naming any, and "ahead of" can be seen as a value judgement, implying "better". I don't think it is a serious problem but it might be better to state that the German Basic Law has (more detailed?) provisions on parties that are not found in other (older?) written constitutions such as . . . (as you have written above). This may not completely solve the problem, but it makes the individual parts of the statement more objectively verifiable. Just a thought! --Boson (talk) 07:31, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi, this is just a short note about the state of my activity. I have completed my effort to weed out the typos and added a few minor points. The data, however, will take some more time because my printer is currently unable to print PDF files. We'll have it fixed as soon as possible and then I shall enter die data for bar or pie charts on the article's talk page. You'll be informed when this step has been completed. So long, Khnassmacher (talk) 17:02, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Boson, I have put the data for pie or bar charts on the "Party finance in Germany" Talk page. Unfortunately the saving process destroyed the layout which had looked quite o.k. during the editing. I hope you can handle that. It helps to go back to editing status. Thanks a lot!Khnassmacher (talk) 06:20, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
- I have converted the data into "floating" sortable tables and put them straight into the article. Floating tables have the advantage that they break up the wall of text (like images) and they can easily be displayed on the left or right of the text, which automatically flows round the table. Perhaps you could check if the figures are all OK. Since there are several data groups, I wasn't sure about the simple graphs that I can do. If you wanted pie charts, we would need one for each party, I think. With bar charts, we would need a group of several bars for each party, which also gets a bit more complicated. Anyway, see what you think of the tables. By clicking on the little arrows, the table can be sorted by any column. --Boson (talk) 19:20, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Dear Boson, thank you very much for this excellent operation! The tables look great. I checked all the data, they are perfect. And the interactive mode is the icing on the cake. As for pie and bar charts: Indeed, I was thinking of a pie (actually two separate pies) for each party. I also have seen (aggregated) bar charts with just one bar per party where each element (of spending or revenue) sits on top of the other. Thus you get the same impression as in the pie charts, but the individual bars also present the (comparable) size of the various parties. I absolutely agree with you that individual bars for individual items do not make much sense. Would you mind if I think of some more tables and we go through the same procedure again? All the best & Thanks again! Khnassmacher (talk) 06:19, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
- More tables shouldn't be a problem. I think you probably want a stacked vertical bar chart, as described at Wikipedia:Graphs and charts, but I am not familiar with how to do these. I see the pie chart is also described as experimental. So perhaps we can concentrate on getting the tables done before possibly asking someone else for assistance with the graphics. --Boson (talk) 21:32, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Boson, I have entered additional data for an additional table on the talk page. Hopefully you can repeat the trick of turning those into a perfect table just like the others. Thank you very much, Khnassmacher (talk) 16:51, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Khnassmacher, I have added the table. I didn't make it sortable this time but you can add or remove the word "sortable" to change that. As before, please check that I haven't messed up any of the figures. --Boson (talk) 17:39, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Boson, I have checked the data. They are all fine and the new table looks prefect, too. Thank you very much for your help. Obviously there is nothing much that can be done at the moment. So, I'll just wait for the new rating to come up sometime around. All the best, Khnassmacher (talk) 05:23, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Notifications box replacement prototypes released
Hey Boson; Kaldari has finished scripting a set of potential replacements available to test and give feedback on. Please go to this thread for more detail on how to enable them. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 15:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer
Hi Boson. I indirectly mentioned you at WP:ANI, as I posted a diff from your talk page in a discussion thread there. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Personal Attack by Peterzor. Best, -- Dianna (talk) 21:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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Misleading headings for two articles
Hi Boson, hopefully you don't mind that I bother you again. Among the "political funding" articles there two country-specific items that should be identified to foreign readers. I have entered my position on the talk page of each article but nothing happens. Therefore I ask you to have a look at Chocolate Soldier (Parliament) and Draining law which I feel should be more clearly related by naming them "Chocolate soldier (U.K. Parliament)" respectively "Draining law (Belgium)". Thank you for your effort! Khnassmacher (talk) 15:54, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
- There are two issues here: (1) procedure and (2) policy (in the wider sense).
- If the rename (known as a 'move' on Wikipedia) were uncontroversial, you or I could perform it ourselves, using the Move tab (or drop-down) at the top
leftright. If the best title has been previously discussed, the move should be treated as controversial. If the move is not clearly uncontroversial, the correct procedure is a "requested move". This is the procedure that should be used here, in my opinion. I would suggest that you read about the 'requested move' procedure at WP:Requested moves and decide if you want to do that. If so, you could add the text to the appropriate talk page, as shown ot WP:RM/CM. Feel free to ask me for assistance.
- The main problem is disambiguation "policy" (the disambiguation guideline). The form of an article title with a word in parentheses should normally be used only for disambiguation (often abbreviated to DAB on Wikipedia), which is described at Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Disambiguation is normally used only when there is actually more than one existing Wikipedia article with the same expected title, e.g Mercury (planet) and Mercury (element). Adding disambiguation when this is not the case is sometimes known as "preemptive disambiguation" and is 'deprecated'. It could, nevertheless, be argued that adding "Belgian" is a matter of precision rather than disambiguation, so "Belgian draining law" might be a better proposal (see also Wikipedia:Article titles#Precision and disambiguation). "Partial" disambiguation (e.g. Parliament vs UK Parliament), has also been discussed, e.g. here.
- -- Boson (talk) 21:47, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your explanations and advice. I intend to do two things: First, think about really appropriate names for the articles (not just shortcuts to solve an obvious problem as above), second familiarize myself with the guidelines that you mention and then act accordingly. Best, Khnassmacher (talk) 06:15, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- You're very welcome. Please do not hesitate to ask if you have any problems or want some feedback before making a formal proposal. Discussions about moves can sometimes get a little heated and the process is, perhaps, not ideal when lots of new suggestions are made in the course of the formal discussion. The requested-move (RM) discussion is automatically advertised at a central location and this attracts more participants to the discussion, which is probably helpful here because there are few people with these two articles on their watchlist (in both cases fewer than 30, which is the lowest figure that is made visible). Some participants in RM discussions specialize in article title guidelines and help to keep titles consistent.
- I assume that the Belgian title alludes to what would be "einen Sumpf trocken legen" in German. I'm not sure that comes across in the English translation (since "draining" is wider and does not conjure up the unsavoury association of "Sumpf"), but a translation can only do so much.
- Another point that has just occurred to me is that "[Draining] Law" should perhaps be capitalized, since it is a proper name (or a translation of a proper name, even if not an official name) rather than a descriptive title. --Boson (talk) 07:45, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks again for taking such a lively interest! As for "draining" and "Sumpf" you are perfectly right (this is exactly what the article is all about, and quite rightly so) and I also feel that the title does not bring across the issue. At the moment my preferred title would be "Party finance in Belgium" but that would require some additional content and most likely a new introduction. However, I am still considering before I finally take action. It is certainly a good idea that I consult with you first before I go ahead. Khnassmacher (talk) 05:29, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, just to let you know what is going on: I have contacted some Wikipedians who were involved with those articles in the past and now I am waiting for their response before moving any further.Khnassmacher (talk) 09:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for keeping me in the loop! By the way, I notice that you posted one message to User:Ground Zero, rather than User talk:Ground Zero. You don't seem to be the only one, but I thought I'd let you know. --Boson (talk) 10:22, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
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Now that it has been decided to merge Hitler's murder paradox to Grandfather paradox, the way is open for you to propose your suggested merge of Grandfather paradox, Bootstrap paradox, and Predestination paradox to Temporal paradox. I just read all of them again, and I think you are right. They are good candidates for a merge. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:19, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks! I think I'll wait a bit, though someone else might like to make the proposal. The problem is that, the more often I read the articles, the more I am convinced that any merge (including the one just decided) requires a lot of work on the articles concerned, since they are contradictory and not well-sourced. Merging them all into one article might serve the reader by making the contradictions more apparent but I am not keen on creating such a contradictory article so I would prefer to resolve some of the contradictions first, which is not trivial.
- For example, the article Grandfather paradox claims that the paradox refers to "any action that makes impossible the ability to travel back in time in the first place". On the other hand, the article Temporal paradox implies the same definition involving logical impossibility (which would mean that, however notable, we are talking about the same topic and merely need to decide whether to name the article Grandfather paradox or Temporal paradox. However, the article Temporal paradox states that the grandfather paradox is only an example of a temporal paradox, implying that it is a sub-class that does not include all similar logical impossibilities. On the third hand, the ontological or bootstrap paradox (as defined) is clearly a paradox of a temporal nature and is thus a temporal paradox, but this means changing the definition in the article temporal paradox to include closed loops, such as where someone goes back in time and has sex with their mother (or another ancestor), leading (directly or indirectly) to their own conception. The definition of the grandfather paradox does not include the Hitler paradox (since the latter does not involve causal impossibility) meaning that it had to be "shoehorned" in by introducing the likelihood of the grandfather paradox also applying to the situation. This does not mean that inclusion of Hitler paradox in the Grandfather paradox is incorrect, since articles can discuss related topics but, in my opinion, it is not ideal, and we need to avoid misleading the reader into believing that the Hitler paradox is a sub-class of the grandfather paradox as defined, rather than merely being a related temporal paradox. There may be some blurrring caused by changing the source's "variation on the grandfather paradox" to the articles present "variation of the grandfather paradox". The distinction is important, since a variation of an x might be interpreted as a "variety of" x, but a variation on an x is more unambiguously something different from an x. --Boson (talk) 12:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
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I have a question. You reverted my proposed change https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Agile_software_development&oldid=586322474&diff=prev in which I added a link to a page on my blog with agile self-assessment toolks and checklists as possibly promotional link. It is true that that page is on my blog, and that I offer support in using the checklists and tools.
I have heard from many people that they value this list. I think that it can help people to pick an agile self-assessment tool or checklist that suits their needs. New ways of doing agile self-assessments become available, and I will keep this list up to date.
Can you please reconsider your decision, or let me know in which way this information can be added to wikipedia?