User talk:Brout8

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May 2009[edit]

Information.png Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Moonsoon has been reverted, as it appears to have removed content from the page without explanation. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. NorwegianBlue talk 20:09, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Warning struck out by NorwegianBlue talk, the edit was a beginner's mistake, and no attempt at vandalism. --NorwegianBlue talk 21:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll see if I can fix it, but please don't edit the pages while I'm trying to sort it out (I may need help of an admin, but I'll have a go at it). NorwegianBlue talk 20:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't have the privileges, but have requested the assistance of an administrator. NorwegianBlue talk 20:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Monsoon page move[edit]

The page has now been moved back where it should be, thanks to Toon5, administrator. However, if I interpreted the sequence of events correctly, you

  1. Moved the page "Monsoon" to "Moonsoon",
  2. Copied the contents, but not the history back to "Monsoon",
  3. Did some edits of the "Monsoon" page
  4. Realized the error, and contacted me for assistance.

The edits you made after moving the contents without the history (boldfaced above), are lost, so you may want to look through the article, and redo the edits. Happy editing. --NorwegianBlue talk 21:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

That is exactly what happened. Thanks for help.--Brout8 (talk) 23:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

October 2009[edit]

Information.svg Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to Somali people, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I do not need to add an addition reference. The article already cited clearly states that 46% of Somalis are a match to the Cambridge Reference Sequence (CRS). The CRS is in the Haplogroup H. That means that they are probably Haplogroup H2 or very close to it.-- Brout8 15:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
You added it as a preface to a direct quote, but what you described is not in the quote. If "they are probably Haplogroup H2 or very close to it" then this really could use a source, as well. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:23, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
It is in source cited.

"secondly, the presence of CRS mtDNA haplotypes (with different lengths of Cs at position 309) are typical European mtDNA haplotypes; thirdly, high frequencies of 146T–150C–152T (probe B1) and 189A–195T–198C–200A (probe C1) occur compared with other African populations”

CRS is synonymous with Haplogroup H. The quote about "m = 0.46 [46%]” makes no sense if you don't know that the author is talking about Haplogroup H or CRS. The original quote should be deleted anyway, but the citation should be kept because the citation clearly refers to CRS in Haplogroup H. The article is wrong about Haplogroup H being European, because now it is generally agreed to be from Eastern Anatolia due to the genetic diversity of the Haplogroup H subclades in that area. The article is 10 years old and there hasn't been any new studies of mtDNA in Somalia- Brout8 (talk) 17:42, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Haplogroup naming dispute[edit]

One of your recent edits is being discussed here. DMacks (talk) 17:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Great, that I can request your source[edit]

Brout8, I'm looking forward to learning about more sources for mtDNA testing information than I now know about, as follows:

I believe your recent revision of the WP section mtDNA testing's basepair numbers was correct, judging by your total number 16569 in comparison with my only other (almost-)reliable source,, which listed the total as 16568 -- whereas the WP section previously had listed 16579. But for my own information, I would really like to know your source, so that I can be better-informed about mtDNA facts in the future. And you probably know your source offhand, for the above-mentioned basepair numbers.

So please tell me your source (here on your talk page or wherever you like), and I'll be glad to add the source reference information in that WP section, or just do it (add it) yourself. (I'll also duplicate your HVR1 and HVR2 ranges right with the coding region range in that WP section, to help the WP readers.) Gratefully and/or thankfully, For7thGen (talk) 22:28, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Theses are my sources for the numbers.
They are both good database of markers for testing. --Brout8 (talk) 12:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

L (mtDNA)[edit]

Macro-haplogroup L (mtDNA) is already merged with Haplogroup L (mtDNA). But what of both names are advisable in your opinion? --Maulucioni (talk) 15:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I would prefer the name Macro-haplogroup L. There is no true surviving Haplogroup L*- as far as I know. - Brout8 (talk) 12:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


Could you explain this edit

Why did you move Somalis from L3a to L3x? Thank you in advance

Wadaad (talk) 18:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I went back and checked the markers changes from the rCRS and compared them to the latest research on the and none of the "Somali L3a" in Watson, 1997 are L3a. L3a requires the A16316G change. Several of the "L3a" were actually L2a. However, there were some L3. There were L3f1b, L3d, L3i, and L3x1. There probably are L3a Somalis but I have not seen the published samples yet. Watson's sample was somewhat small.

These are the Watson samples in current nomenclature and in order:

  • L0a1d
  • L2a2
  • X
  • L2a1
  • L2a2
  • L2a1'2
  • X
  • L2a1
  • M1a1c or M1a1d
  • (Two sequences) I1a
  • Possible L3f1b2a (16126, 16172, 16209, 16223)
  • R0a (Two matching sequences)
  • R0a
  • M1
  • L3x1
  • N1a
  • M1a2b
  • Likely L2a1k (16189, 16218, 16223, 16303, 16360)
  • M1 (16189, 16223, 16249, 16311)
  • L3f1b
  • (Two matching sequences) L3i2
  • L3d1a1
  • K (16224, 16311)

-- Brout8 (talk) 16:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, that makes sense.

Wadaad (talk) 03:38, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Haplogroup E1b1a (Y-DNA)[edit]

The article has been reviewed and placed on hold pending improvement. WTF? (talk) 23:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Updating haplogroup names[edit]

Hi. I noticed you are working on this in the E haplogroup, but I was surprised to see new names for the sub-clades under V13 for example. Has anyone proposed those names yet anywhere? L143 for example was an SNP whose discovery I know about first hand, but until now ISOGG has not included it on their webpage. I guess at least some will appear eventually, but someone has to say what order they'll be in.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 21:09, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

No, the newer V13 subclades don't have official names yet. I named them on the tree based roughly on the order of the Thomas Krahn tree. I expect there should be an official ISOGG tree update with in next month or so. --Brout8 (talk) 12:45, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Maybe a little early then? I hope people don't start copying this out and complaining later. Nice to temporarily have a haplogroup that was discovered in me though! :) --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 13:44, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
I made a little edit with a question mark that should aleviate that problem. I'll wait until the official name is announced. --Brout8 (talk) 13:55, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
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Autoblock lifted, happy editing! Syrthiss (talk) 18:54, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

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Delete the file. --Brout8 (talk) 17:30, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[edit]

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JohnLloydScharf (talk) 23:33, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

IP User with something about East Africa[edit]

Good question. I am assuming User:Muntuwandi? I suppose you have seen the disruption at E-M215? It is remarkably similar to the one you are apparently having.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 22:53, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Also see.[1]--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 22:59, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Your help requested[edit]

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