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Malicious Activity[edit]

I see that you have edited my page before, Thank You! I also see that you have the option to ban IP Address's. There seems to be someone who over the years has continued to maliciously edited my page. Their IP Address has been banned before. Whenever they do get a new address they start again. Will you please block their new IP 74.70.123.60 Thank You in advance. Michael — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krellman (talkcontribs) 17:15, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Krellman, when you write "my page" I read that as meaning either User:Krellman or User talk:Krellman. However, User:Krellman does not exist, and the most recent edit to User talk:Krellman was by you, in January 2010.
I see that 74.70.123.60 (talk · contribs) has performed only 2 edits, both in March 2013 to the page Michael Zarnock, both of which were promptly promptly reverted. Warnings were left at User talk:74.70.123.60.
There is no reason to block an IP in this situation. And why do you claim that Michael Zarnock is your page? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:26, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I reference "Michael Zarnock" as "My Page" because the Krellman Group is owned by Michael Zarnock and we here at Krellman do the editing. Krellman is our log-in name and is how we go about editing that page and other social media. If we see any other name or bot, then we know to look into it. This person (we do have their name and physical address) has indeed edited the page before. We have their past IP address's that have also been banned. We just corrected what he changed today and then updated small things on the page. He edited the page (03:06, 9 June 2014‎ 74.70.101.117) You may contact us at KrellmanGroup@aol.com if you have any further questions. Thank you again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krellman (talkcontribs) 20:56, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Hmm.
Krellman, there are a bundle of problems here. They seem to arise from your misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. It is not a social media platform, it is an encyclopedia. That means that our rules are very different to those of Facebook, Twitter, etc.
Firstly, role accounts, or accounts shared by multiple people, are forbidden. Since you have confirmed that this is a role account, I will block it.
Secondly, you should not edit Wikipedia in your own interests or in the interests of your external relationships. You have been doing just that.
And thirdly, your comments here make it very plan that you think you WP:OWN the article Michael Zarnock. Wrong you don't.
For advice of how you should approach any concerns you may have about Wikiedia' coverage of topics in which you have a stake, see WP:COIADVICE. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:18, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Congratulations on 400,000 edits! OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 20:27, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, OccultZone.
That's very kind of you, and delightfully colourful. My favourite barnstar so far :) --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:39, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
400K, that's...awesome.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:22, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Or crazy :) --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:28, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Edwin Andrews Air Base[edit]

Seeking some expert advice. This may be considered a copyvio of FN #1, from globalsecurity.org. Would you please take a quick look? Hope UK summer is treating you well ;) Buckshot06 (talk) 05:41, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Buckshot06
I wouldn't consider myself an expert on this, but I had a look anyway.
Yes, whole sentences are lifted directly from the globalsecurity.org page. The Duplication detector report confirms this.
I have tagged the article as a copyvvio, and listed it at WP:CP, with a notification to the editor who added the copied material.
I see that the bot had already identified the problem, but that the bot's warning notice was removed in an edit which included a partial rewrite. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:48, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

British Newspapers Archive[edit]

Hey BrownHairedGirl: I saw some recent edits like this one on recent changes, and thought that you would be a really good candidate for access to the British Newspaper Archive via the WP:The Wikipedia Library. I think it would be great for fleshing out a number of those 18th and 19th century bio articles. If you would like access, go ahead and sign up at WP:BNA, Sadads (talk) 16:21, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sadads
Thank you very much for the kind offer.
As it happens, I already have access to the British Newspaper Archive through a library. I haven't made much use of it, because when I tried it on a long shot I found the interface a bit messy, and didn't put in the time to learning it.
Your offer prompts me to have another go one of these days. If perchance you feel like using it yourself, assuming you have access, may I make a cheeky suggestion? My current work in progress is Admiral Theobald Jones, yet another page which I though I would make a stub of to fill a hole in a list of MPs.
As has happened several times recently, he turns out to be much more interesting character, so my 10-minute stub creation has turned into a 2-day job of creating a full biography. The page is already full of DYK hooks, and that's before I flesh out his political career.
I already have enough sources to make a start on his political career, but if you can find anything on any aspect of his to add then please come and share the DYK credit! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:38, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
All of the users that have gotten access through the Wikipedia Library have found it to be really useful (take for example 1908 FA Charity Shield and James Farmer (knight)). The interface seems pretty straightforward the couple of times I have interacted with it. Unfortunately, I don't have the time right now to contribute to the article: I am working on a couple articles I had before I started TWL and the have several Wadewitz related things hanging over me. But I wish you the best working on the bios! You can post a help request on the WT:BNA, there seem to be a number of users walking the talk page and responding, Sadads (talk) 17:17, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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awesome edits
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DYK for Eustace Balfour[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 11:33, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Wilson-Fox[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 02:58, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Cudgel War[edit]

Done.Knowledge is power. (talk) 08:59, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Theophilus Jones (Royal Navy officer)[edit]

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DYK nomination of Theobald Jones[edit]

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All fixed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)

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All fixed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:08, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Theophilus Jones (Royal Navy officer)[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:46, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

For the record....[edit]

Enough already. VictorD7 doesn't agree with a judgement which I made at some point in the past, which is his prerogative.
However, I made that judgement on the basis of the evidence presented at the time, and an assessment new evidence may (or may not) reach a different conclusion ... but that would not mean that the earlier evidence was misinterpreted.
As already stated, I am not going to take some sort of ongoing role in this dispute. If VictorD isn't satisfied, he can try WP:DR, where he can present any new evidence he wishes. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:32, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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You closed my ANI report about EllenCT following me around falsely accusing me of paid editing....

[1] "@VictorD7: isn't it true that you've repeatedly attempted to insert statements paid for by the Peter G. Peterson Foundation claiming that US taxes are progressive, because they assume that corporate income taxes are not passed on to customers?"

[2] "...User:VictorD7 so incessantly attempts to portray otherwise, and he knows it. This repeated insertion of paid advocacy must end."

[3] "I strongly disagree with VIctorD7 and have no confidence in his ability to accurately identify or summarize the reliable sources. He has repeatedly attempted to insert the same paid and inaccurate advocacy which leads to the state of affairs described in the study's findings."

...concluding that she was only talking about a source and not me.

After our exchange on your page here, I made a good faith effort on EllenCT's talk page to get her to clarify her remarks. She just gave me the runaround, obstinately refusing to do so.

Later, in an arbcom case, she finally denied having accused me of paid editing for the first time, but then later admitted it...

[4] "You took two weeks to deny that you were a paid editor after I asked you directly with a {{Ping}} on WP:ANI, which you cited in your evidence, and you made many intervening edits in the middle of April. Why did you wait so long to deny the accusation?"

Perhaps realizing she had slipped up, she deleted the segment, but her edit summary only mentioned a desire to double check "dates" before answering the question, not the content, possibly in an attempt to hide it. After being caught, she ultimately doubled down on her accusation of paid editing.

[5] "Which do you think is the more serious accusation, that you willingly and repeatedly have been trying to insert a graph which portrays the tax incidence of the top 1% as progressive...or the question as to whether you have personally been paid to do so? Because I will happily withdraw the latter question if you can provide any evidence contrary to the former."

Of course offering to withdraw an accusation if certain conditions are met means the accusation has been made to begin with.

[6] "However, I admit that upon several days reflection I am unable to assume the good faith necessary to believe that VictorD7's year-long effort to champion a manufactured graph in high profile articles to make it seem like taxes have been progressive for the top 1%...is as innocent as he says. He has shown willingness to compromise on other matters but abject refusal to budge from his position on any matters concerning the PGPF graph. So I admit I am unconvinced by his denials, because actions (behavior) speak louder than words (content.)"

Between the ANI report and that arbcom I had also dug up comments by EllenCT made just last fall that show precisely what she had in mind when she first started accusing me of "paid advocacy". The following posts were in policy discussions specifically about paid editing (also referred to as "paid advocacy" by Jimbo Wales and others), and demonstrate where EllenCT's mind set has been focused recently.

[7]* Support paid advocacy is a conflict of interest with summarizing truthfully.

[8]"So if you have the cash, you think the right to respond includes raising an army of mercenary meatpuppets to oppose volunteers, but those volunteers must not expose the meatpuppets or their paymasters? Of course you do, because it means money in your pocket. Shame!"

[9] "I have seen too many attempts at whitewashing to ever feel comfortable consulting or participating in the creation of an encyclopedia which tolerates paid advocacy editing. There is no way to insure that anonymous editors will summarize truthfully when they are being compensated by the subjects of their topics. I believe WP:BRIGHTLINE should be elevated to policy."


Given the controversy over paid advocacy at Wikipedia in recent years, such charges, when leveled baselessly for cynical tactical advantage in content disputes, are insidious and shouldn't be tolerated by admin. I'm not planning on filing a new ANI right now (though a warning for her to desist would be nice), but since I assume your closure was made in good faith, I think you'd want to know if you turned out to be mistaken. I would. In the future I'd suggest contacting the editor and asking her what she meant if you believe her words could be interpreted differently from how the complaint filers see it, before making an assumption and closing it. Even then the poster wouldn't necessarily tell the truth, but her comments might still aid in discerning the truth. Thank you for your time. VictorD7 (talk) 18:00, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Victor, I closed that ANI on the basis of the evidence presented at the time.
If this has already been to arbcom, then I presume that you have already presented the evidence you want. I am not a one-woman arbcom appeals committee, so I am not going to put in the huge amount of time needed to assess what you have posted above by examining the context of the posts.
Feel free to go ANI or arbcom or RFC/U or wherever, but I am not going to take this on single-handedly. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:50, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
No need to get defensive, I just thought you might want to know that you had misinterpreted the evidence. Your own page says "If you think that I have screwed up, please do tell me." Having mistakes pointed out is an important part of long term improvement. The arbcom didn't address EllenCT's conduct, and, like I said, I don't intend to file a new ANI report right now (maybe later), but before I go I'd ask that if nothing else you at least take the time to read the one quoted sentence I bolded where EllenCT explicitly admits she was accusing me of paid editing. Her "ping" sentence refers to the very first quote at top that was included in the original ANI. VictorD7 (talk) 19:00, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Victor, I didn't "misinterpret the evidence". I interpreted the evidence which was actually presented at the time.
And I didn't "get defensive". I just said that I am not going to take some sort of ongoing role in this. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:04, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
The first sentence EllenCT later described in the bolded quote as having been a "direct" accusation of "paid editing" was part of the evidence at the time (the first quote above and the first link in the ANI report). If you don't think you misinterpreted it, are you saying that you're standing by your initial conclusion, and disagreeing with EllenCT's interpretation of her own comment? VictorD7 (talk) 19:12, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Victor, with that attempt to put words in my mouth, you have reached the limit of my tolerance. The validity of the decision I made at the time depended on the evidence at the time, not on whatever evidence you have now.
Discussion closed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:32, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
As I wrote before, if this is still a live issue, raise it through one of the dispute resolution channels. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:32, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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Woll Smoth[edit]

It looks like you closed Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 February 5#Woll Smoth as delete, but never actually deleted it. Can you do that? Thanks, Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:34, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jackmcbarn, sorry for missing that, and thanks for pointing it out to me.
I have just deleted it. Sorry it's 5 months late. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:42, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

AFC: Harlon Carter[edit]

Hi,

Could you please take a look at my response at Template:Did you know nominations/Harlon Carter. Thanks, GabrielF (talk) 03:29, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I have replied there. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Theobald Jones[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:47, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

What do you think about this guy?[edit]

Hi, it's me again. Someone seems to be pretty angry at me (here), describing my normal message as "crap" and threatening to "get me slapped"(here). Do you have any suggestions to deal with the hostility?Forbidden User (talk) 14:51, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Another idea: He is reverting my edits on Kristoff (Disney), and I feel like it is going to be an edit-warring.Forbidden User (talk) 14:54, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Forbidden User, and thanks for your message.
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. This is not good.
Both of you are behaving very badly, and if this sort of thing ends up in dispute resolution, both of you are likely to be sent to the naughty corner. But you will get there first.
Here's some of what I see:
  • [10] Forbidden User uses an edit summary to describe a good faith editor as "vandal". Bad idea: see WP:NOTVANDAL
  • [11] Kintetsubuffalo responds with inappropriate aggression to the insult, threatening a slapping
  • [12] Forbidden User posts to Kinetsbuffalo's talk page with the heading "Wow, that's a great piss-off". Un-necessary provocation
  • [13] Kinetsbuffalo responds "I don't have to leave your crap on my talk page". True, but does nothing to calm the situation.
Look, Forbidden User, this is not complicated. If you behave rudely, some people will be rude back to you. They shouldn't, but some will.
The solution is in your hands. Play nice, and you will probably get treated nice.
That may not be the answer you wanted to hear from me, but it's how it is. Try being nice to others, and you will find that they are usually nice to you.
OTOH, if you decide to falsely accuse another editor of vandalism, be aware that they may respond unpleasantly. Having already insulted them, if you then insult them again, expect that you may provoke a harsher response. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:26, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
The both message is what I wish to hear, and wish him to hear. I've apologised, and of course I can do it again. However, he seems to be not letting it go at all, like what he says in Talk:Kristoff (Disney). The problem is that I don't feel a sign of ceasefire from him. Perhaps you can tell both of us something to help ceasing the tension? I'm completely calm here - with a clear and open mind.Forbidden User (talk) 15:43, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
The answer is to WP:DISENGAGE. Make an unequivocal apology for your repeated rudeness, and expect nothing in return.
Then go edit something else, and do so more politely. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:48, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Good suggestion, and it has been done (at least I think so). Well, I hope no one would be nominating Kristoff (Disney) for deletion again before he can get the article off his sight. Thank you, you deserve a cookie!Forbidden User (talk) 16:07, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Howdy[edit]

Hey BrownHairedGirl, you're smart and powerful, I hear. Do you know anything about WikiBlame? I'm looking at a possible case of copyvio in Doc Hollywood (and my hunch is that IMDB copied it from us), and I'm trying to figure out when the phrase "quickly makes friends" was introduced. I thought that WikiBlame could do that for me, but I can't seem to get the right answer out of it. Your help is appreciated. Thanks, The Bald-Headed Drmies (talk) 15:58, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Drmies, thanks for the flattery -- although my four-legged friends would disagree on both counts.
I am not expert on Wikiblame, and only got into fairly recently. I use it by following the "revision history search" link at the top the page's history, and I set the revision count high to make sure I don't miss anything.
So in this case, I did this search, and found that the phrase was inserted in this edit on 15 July 2011.
Hope that helps! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much--I see that (I think) I didn't raise "Versions to check", and I suppose "Start date" means "Start at this date and look back". I probably set that date early, reading it as "Start on this date and work up to today". Thanks again! Drmies (talk) 16:20, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
@Drmies: I think the instructions are poor. I also did the same thing with the start date, and it was only after a lot of trial and error that I began to get useful results. But despite the unhelpful interface, it's worth persevering with Wikiblame, by experimenting until you get it tamed. It's a very useful tool.
Good luck! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:29, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Fool's Garden[edit]

Please delete/merge the majority of Fools Garden songs.The band produced a one hit wonder the rest of it's work is of low notability.Knowledge is power. (talk) 15:48, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Knowledge is power, and you obviously know a lot more about this than I do. So why don't you WP:PROD them? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:52, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Walter Jones (Irish politician)[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:49, 13 July 2014 (UTC)