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I've reverted your edit of the football/soccer page. The issue you raised has been exhaustively explored/debated/researched by a large number of people on wikipedia. The phraesology in the article reflected the consensus reached after that examination. Association Football was the official name. It isn't anymore. Soccer is not a slang term. It originated as such but is now used in practice as the name for the sport in many parts of the world where football in fact refers to a native sport - indeed many native football sports are far older than football/soccer.

This page has been one of those 'war' ones for quite a while, where arguments revolved for much of the time around 'it is soccer. No it is football. No it is soccer. No it is football' for much of the time. (It was headwrecking!) So what is there is a consensus and it is also what various football/soccer organisations agreed was accurate. The version you added in was mentioned ages and ages and ages ago and was described by many as not accurate enough at best, some thought even inaccurate. (critics included people involved in the management of the sport.) I reverted the page to remove that before 'world war III' erupted on the page again.

Best of luck FearÉIREANN 17:32, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"I'm sure these arguments have been put before but I'm not about to wade through pages of debate to find them."

If you are unwilling to research the debate so far you have no right to join it. The compromise was agreed on by the community and lacking any new evidence must stand. Soccer is of course slang but it is a legitimate word well over 100 years old that has been used to describe the game (see contraction of aSOCCiation football just as rugger is rugby). Bob Palin 16:12, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Via Gellia[edit]

I think we need to merge you stub with stuff I've put in the John Gell article. Most sources agree it was Phillip Gell who made the lead-ore road, circa 1790, but there's also the possibility that the track existed as early as 1720 for stone from Hopton. Suggest we clip my stuff into your free standing article, and edit slightly. Linuxlad 09:27, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

British counties - again![edit]

Hi Btljs,

This topic has become a hot potato all over again. There's been constant discussion and argument for weeks. We've now reached a critical point and are having a straw poll on a particular issue to see if we can make some progress that way; if this fails we may need to go to official mediation.

Would you be willing to take a look at the straw poll and consider voting? It was posted on the policy talk page on 22nd August 2005. Many thanks Chris Jefferies 23:37, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

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Re: Sales figures in Best Selling UK singles[edit]

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1983 in British music[edit]

Hi – if you have a spare five minutes sometime could you please cast a quick eye over this page? I've redone the four tables (number one singles/albums and year-end singles/albums): let me know if the structure and everything looks OK and I'll carry on and do the other years in the same style... no point me barging on ahead and then having to change every year's article because there's an error in the format, better to agree on the format first. One thing I'm not so sure about is how to structure singles and albums that are number one over the Christmas and New Year period and span two years – do we split their weeks at number one over two articles (as I have done here) or group all their weeks at number one in the year that they reached the top? Thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 09:37, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. :-) I tend to agree about splitting the number ones over two years – for example, having "Save Your Love" listed for just one week at number one in 1983 but in the 'Weeks' column adding in brackets afterwards something like "(3 weeks at no. 1 in 1982)", although that might make the column a little awkward. I'll have a think about adding total weeks at number one in brackets – it becomes more tricky for albums like Thriller or Can't Slow Down which were also number one on entirely separate occasions in 1984, and then you have to decide whether to include the total weeks at number one within that year (1983), or in total overall (1983-84).
I'm only going to concentrate on the charts for the moment, although there are other areas of these articles that bother me: for instance, the award ceremonies section, which can never be complete. In recent years one glaring omission to me is the MOBO Awards (surely far more significant than the Popjustice award), but really you could then ask why stop there, there are also Jazz Awards, the World Music Awards, BBC Folk Awards, Gramophone magazine's classical music awards (a far more serious affair than the very populist Classical Brits)... one big problem here is deciding at what point it becomes relevant to British music – by their very nature the World Music awards contain virtually no UK artists, it's simply a UK awards ceremony. I think you'd have to have a cutoff point where the awards are solely or primarily directed towards rewarding British artists, with the occasional specific international award, like the Brits. Still doesn't explain why the MOBOs and Folk Awards have been ignored, though. Richard3120 (talk) 11:55, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Re: Best selling singles of the 1990s[edit]

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1987/1988 in British music[edit]

I've seen the changes Hadji87 made and that you reverted on 1987 in British music – could you please take a look at the changes he has made to 1988 in British music and see if it needs changing as well? I'd do it myself but my internet access is a bit limited at the moment and I can't spend too much time online. Thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 22:09, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

@Richard3120: Well it's betwixt and between - he's put in the correct first week of the year and left the others so it appears that there was a number 1 for a day. I've done the singles and I'll get on to the albums later. Btljs (talk) 11:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

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No I can't because I cannot recall where it is. I do know the discussion has taken place as I was party to it. Finding it might take some time. --Falcadore (talk) 11:07, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Here is another example of where the corrective action has already taken place. --Falcadore (talk) 11:11, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
The issue that every table in WP should change was not explored as those discussing it were not in a position to perform that duty. --Falcadore (talk) 11:12, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Hi Btljs. Here are the original discussions at WP:VPT in June and August, a discussion on User:Tvx1's talkpage, the discussion at WP:F1 and the subsequent bot request. User:Mdann52 offered to write the bot, but to date we haven't seen anything. DH85868993 (talk) 12:19, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
I started one, but it seems a lot more complex than it first seemed.... I can't seem to get the code to be reliable enough for wide use. I'm trying to polish it, but the issue is the vast amounts of different coding used about the place is insane, so that makes the task more complicated. --Mdann52talk to me! 12:43, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

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2014 in British music charts[edit]

Just wanted to say, fantastic work on getting 2014 in British music charts into shape – I appreciate it's a huge task, not just because of a certain person's efforts to overdo things as much as possible, but also the added complications of having now to include streaming, and multiple cross-referencing due to guest artists, cover versions, etc. Well done, and happy New Year to you! :-) Richard3120 (talk) 17:30, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

@Richard3120: Thanks and the same to you. I'd wondered what OCC would do about end of year song charts ever since July - and they didn't disappoint - managing to make an already complicated situation just that bit worse by adding just the July-Dec streaming. Now we have not 2 but 3 different 'sales' figures to deal with on each song. Btljs (talk) 18:12, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I think it's ridiculous – deciding that 100 streams equals one physical sale is purely arbitrary, and as you say (and have shown in the table), there are now two different year end charts for singles, depending on what form of "sale" the song came in. What a mess... at least from now on the streaming will count for the whole year. Richard3120 (talk) 20:58, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

List of singles which have spent the most weeks on the UK singles chart[edit]

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List of best-selling singles of the 2000s[edit]

Hi Btljs, I think I'm going to make some changes to the List of best-selling singles of the 2000s (decade) in the United Kingdom chart, if that's OK with you. The current list is based on the positions announced by Radio 1 during the last week of December 2009, which means it is obviously missing sales from the final week of the year. Music Week published updated charts for the top 100 singles and top 100 albums of the decade in the issue dated 30 January 2010. Unsurprisingly, most of the 2009 singles moved up a few places in the revised chart, but there were also some major changes to a few other records: "Gotta Get Thru This" dropped from 61 to 71, "Anyone of Us" fell from 57 to 61, "A Little Less Conversation" was moved from 31 to 38, and most notably, Black Eyed Peas' "Where Is the Love?" dropped from 25 to 42. And obviously, every other record in between shifted up one place to accommodate the fallers.

I'd held off making any changes to the article for a while because although in theory the Music Week chart should be the more accurate one, with sales right up to the end of 2009, I wanted to determine whether those changes in position were genuine or the result of "computer technical errors", as they often like to blame them on. Looking at the 2012 OCC list of the 150 best sellers of the 21st century so far, however, it looks as though the OCC are sticking with their revised positions from the latter chart. For example, Sonique's "It Feels So Good" was at no. 35 in the 2009 Radio 1 chart. In the 2012 list, she is only just behind (no. 85) the Black Eyed Peas (no. 81). If "Where Is the Love?" was really at no. 25 in 2009, ten places ahead of Sonique, the only way she could have gained on them in the three years since is if "It Feels So Good" had sold more on downloads than "Where Is the Love?" during that period – which, given Black Eyed Peas huge popularity and more easily downloadable back catalogue, compared with a song which has had almost no radio play in more than a decade and an artist who has released nothing since to keep a high profile, seems extremely unlikely, to say the least. It seems far more likely that BEP were at no. 42, and have since gone past her on downloads. The other singles that were revised downwards, their 2012 positions are also more consistent with the Music Week chart than the Radio 1 list.

So I propose we alter the chart to reflect the Music Week list, which has the advantage of being a verifiable source. The top 20 is unaffected, and this will be the part of most interest to casual readers anyway. The current version of the article needs to be corrected anyway, as it has been "Beyoncé-fied" at some point: someone has moved "If I Were a Boy" up to 33 and introduced "Single Ladies", which was never in any of the charts, in its original position of 56. In the same issue of Music Week is the updated decade album chart, which can be used as a verifiable source for the corresponding albums article. Cheers. Richard3120 (talk) 17:46, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Another example to back up my theory that it was the Radio 1 list with the glitches, not the Music Week list: Radio 1 had BEP four places ahead of the Baha Men... in 2012 the Baha Men are 14 places ahead of BEP. Do we really think it likely that in 2009–12 there was a sudden surge of interest in downloading "Who Let the Dogs Out?" Richard3120 (talk) 17:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
@Richard3120:All sounds good to me. Btljs (talk) 13:49, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks – I now have some issues with the corresponding albums article, which I have flagged up on A Thousand Doors' talk page, if you'd like to take a look, as he seems to have been keeping tabs on that article. Richard3120 (talk) 21:40, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Re: Official Album Streaming Chart[edit]

Regarding the Official Album Streaming Chart article, tt's been speedy deleted because of being recreated in the same fashion it was when there was consensus to delete at WP:AFD. How do we determine that this chart is less notable? Well, as with any article subject, we determine notability by providing many (4-5 minimum usually) reliable third party sources that discuss the subject in significant detail. This has not been present in any version of the article. Try creating something more like that at WP:AFC. Every version of the article had the same problem - minimal content, minimal sources, (and almost entirely first party), and a random pic of Ed Sheeran. That's not enough to prove notability. As I said, if you feel that strongly on it, you can create a rough draft at WP:AFC and try to get approval through there. Sergecross73 msg me 18:05, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Most articles start a bit sketchy. I'm not arguing that it couldn't be put up for deletion at some point, but not within 2 minutes when clearly there are people like me trying to contribute to it. I didn't recreate it, I was trying to edit it and it disappeared while I was actually making changes. Please reinstate it so that I can continue to edit it. Btljs (talk) 18:17, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
I understand your sentiment, I feel that towards articles sometimes too. But the difference here, is that it was just deleted at AFD. People are not allowed to recreate articles that had a consensus to delete like that. If there was a consensus to delete in the past, then you really need to start off right off the bat with something that clearly meets the GNG. So, this is why I recommended building up a draft at WP:AFC, and then presenting it to one of the volunteers there once it's in actual GNG-passing shape. Sergecross73 msg me 18:28, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
So someone else recreated it before me then because I only recreated it in the process of editing an existing page. That explains why it all happened so fast. I'll leave it to them to resubmit then, as it wasn't my page in the first place. Btljs (talk) 18:32, 25 March 2015 (UTC)