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Samuel Brooks[edit]

Well done on creating that new article on Samuel Brooks. You asked me why I unlinked the years; in case you don't see it, I've copied this from my talk page:

The relevant guideline is Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Autoformatting and linking: "Wikipedia has articles on days of the year, years, decades, centuries and millennia. Link to one of these pages only if it is likely to deepen readers' understanding of a topic." Basically, the link syntax when applied to dates is overloaded, and is really there to allow users with different preferences to see the date in a style they're familiar with—"autoformatted"—rather than as a conventional wikilink.

As you say, many articles do link years; doesn't make it right though. :) --Malleus Fatuarum 17:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK[edit]

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Cheers, Daniel 00:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's carbon footprint[edit]

I am putting this link to my reply here. You are quite mistaken in your belief that my creation of "16 permanent new versions" by making 16 edits in 30 minutes, had any effect on wikipedia's carbon footprint.

If you need any further help in understanding the way in which version control systems work, then I'll do what I can to try and expand on my answer. But the bottom line is that making an edit does not result in a new version of the article being stored. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Tondu[edit]

Hi there! Thanks for your message. I kinda agree that if it's in Bridgend County Borough that it's likely to be near Bridgend. Looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements, it would be better to say the distance from Bridgend rather than the vague term "near". Another small point I've spotted is the use of the word "small", i.e. Tondu is a small town. Small would be a vague term, see WP:Peacock. It would be better to state the population of the town somewhere in the article. I would word the beginning "Tondu (Welsh for black sward) is a town in the county borough of Bridgend, Wales, about x miles from the town of Bridgend" - fill in the x with the distance if you know it. Also is "sward" the correct spelling? Weisinger (talk) 18:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Julia Pirie[edit]

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Dab and underscore[edit]

How's that for a snappy title?  :-) I revised your edit of Brock (surname) per WP:MOSDAB, specifically one navigable link per entry. Also, one does not use aliases for a disambiguation entry, except to format italics for ship and book names, etc.

Also, you need not use underscores in links. I suppose they're okay, but that's not what most editors do. Just use spaces. Brock (surname) works the same as Brock_(surname). Thanks for the good work! —EncMstr (talk) 16:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Valentin Berlinsky[edit]

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Budapest String Quartet - Nat Brandt's book[edit]

Budhen, thanks for posting the history of the Budapest. I wonder if Brandt's book includes a discography? Milkunderwood (talk) 16:28, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


I received your fast response at my talk page -- thanks. You'll see I've greatly expanded the "Recordings" discography section yesterday, and just now rearranged the article to put your History above Recordings. If you get around to it you might want to go back to Brandt's discography and fill in gaps - there must be lot of them, and I for one, at least, would be very interested in seeing them. I've taken dates from liner notes where available, but these ought to be checked against Brandt, and missing dates provided.
In the meantime I've looked online and found & ordered a used copy of Brandt for only $1+s/h, so when it comes I can go ahead and undate the Recordings section myself; I don't mind undertaking the project. Milkunderwood (talk) 22:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I was a little startled at first to find that only a few people had contributed to this article, apparently indicating that it has fallen out of fashion (see the dismissive NYT review down in "External links" for instance"). Time and taste move on, I guess. But they remain THE definitive quartet, as far as I'm concerned, and I tend to judge all others against their standard. For instance the Tokyo Qrt version of Beethoven--they get the notes right, but that's all--no concept of the atmosphere or feeling for Beethoven whatever. Milkunderwood (talk) 20:26, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
You might want to check out the article's Discussion page; I've tried to remember to discuss all changes there, and leave breadcrumbs. Milkunderwood (talk) 20:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


I've just now left what I called "a small disquisition" in response to your latest reply, but I put it in my Talk page without thinking, instead of here--you might want to go look at it. Milkunderwood (talk) 22:31, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 :-) You should understand that I'm not a musician, don't play any instrument, can't read music at all, have no concept of music theory, can't carry a tune or identify a key, and am even slightly deaf. I just know what I like.
I hate to have any sort of serious music playing as background; instead, whenever I listen to something I need to turn the volume up and concentrate on what it's saying to me. Back in the days when there used to be such a thing, I used to virtually inhabit a wonderful record store that had a separate soundproof classical section where they always had a CD playing, and with few customers at most times, you could make requests and listen with virtually no distractions; the manager was then working on his Doctorate in music, and was a part-time conductor, familiar with nearly every recording in his store, and was willing and eager to share his thoughts and opinions. We had many discussions and arguments. Quite a bit of what I heard there, of particular interest to me, I can still more or less replay at will in my head.
You're by no means the only person to say that older groups or performers can become "dated", but I just don't understand the concept; it seems to me that playing with style and a sympathetic understanding of the composer's unique language never goes out of date. I've had disagreements with other people much more knowledgeable than me, and I've read glowing, enthusiastic reviews of recordings that I thought were truly terrible, such as of some new Brendel set. I don't listen for technical proficiency, and certainly not for better or more primitive recording technology. I can understand how some musicians might tend to roll their eyes over Barenboim's pianistic technique, but one thing he did have, in spades, was "style" (at least at the keyboard), which Brendel wouldn't understand if he was hit over the head with it. Brendel has made a study of Beethoven and Schubert all his life, and has written fascinating books about interpreting their works--but he still just doesn't get it.
So you'd be wise not to take my word for anything. But if you're interested, you might want to try listening to a few of the specific things I mentioned.
FWIW, here's one more, just to see what you might think: I'm familiar with the F Minor Impromptu D935 No 1 as played by Badura-Skoda, Barenboim, Brendel, Gieseking, Gilels, Perahia, Schiff, and Serkin; but it wasn't until I more recently encountered the stunning Radu Lupu version that I suddenly realized that I--or rather, Schubert--was outdoors in a quiet place, perhaps a wooded park--and after the introduction we come near and pause to overhear two lovers deep in their thoughts and conversation, unable to discern their words, but clearly hearing the pathos and the shared love, the girl's questioning or even pleading tone, her lover's generally sympathetic but not fully comprehending and occasionally sullen or defensive responses, each of them being quite assertive at times--and then we pass on, out of range.
But no other performance conjures up this picture for me, although I can almost impose it on one or two of the others. Milkunderwood (talk) 00:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

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re Samuel Budgett[edit]

Hi Budhen. Thanks for contributing this article. I love to see persons rescued from the dustbin of history in this manner. Excellent work. Herostratus (talk) 14:22, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Herostratus. I must declare an interest - he was my great-great-grandfather. Howver I think he is still notable and clearly others thought so at the time. I intend to extend it when I get time. Don't know when that will be. My other great-great-grandfather article is John_Brogden_(industrialist). Budhen (talk) 15:46, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, he clearly is notable. Keep it up! Herostratus (talk) 04:13, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Julia Pirie[edit]

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Budapest String Quartet[edit]

What you really need to do is to provide page citations. That's an awful lot of material cited to one source. I'm sure it must've been a lot of work but ... --Bbb23 (talk) 23:43, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, I'll see what I can do. Budhen (talk) 12:30, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Done. Budhen (talk) 21:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

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Continuing copyright issues[edit]

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He created his first hand-drawn Metabolic Pathways Chart in 1955 and had it printed in the university architect’s department. His colleagues were enthusiastic

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He drew his first chart in 1955 and had it printed in the University architect's department. It was received with great enthusiasm.

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In the 1950s Nicholson was teaching bacterial metabolism at Leeds University Medical School at a time of huge advances in scientific understanding of biochemistry.

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In the 1950s Nicholson was teaching bacterial metabolism to medical students at Leeds University Medical School. Metabolism involves a complex system of interlinked chemical pathways and, at the time, knowledge of the subject was expanding fast.

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Thank you for your work on rewriting this. I'm afraid that your last version still followed very closely on its source, however. It can be extremely difficult to avoid writing a derivative work if you rely upon only one source. This is why one of the chief recommendations at both links I gave you above is incorporating multiple sources.
I have expanded the article further with information drawn from two other sources. This has made it a bit easier for me to avoid following the structure of your original. I have also revised it into the standard layout of a biography on Wikipedia, which also helps.
Please let me know at my talk page if you'd like to discuss further what I did or why, or if I can further clarify any of these issues. Thanks. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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Roberto Calvi[edit]

Dear Budhen, many outlandish conspiracy theories have been invented around the death of Calvi. I don't say that the one involving Escobar is wrong, but I do want to see more evidence before putting this in Wikipedia. So far, the more serious Italian newspapers like La Repubblica and Corriere della Sera have not covered the news. Calvi might have been involved in money laundering of Colombian cocaine money (after all, he was involved in laundering money for the Mafia), but I don't see any evidence yet that he was killed by Escobar. That is why I reverted your contribution. Wikipedia is not a news agency, so let's wait and see how things develop. - DonCalo (talk) 13:06, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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CORRECTED THANKS. Budhen (talk) 11:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Emile Gouin et Cie[edit]

I have proposed this (my own article) for deletion. Its existence was an error. Budhen (talk) 18:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Leonardo da Vinci[edit]

The figure that you added, 6,500 pages of anatomical notes, is not what was stated in the article [1]. Moreover, it was most obviously and blatantly wrong! 6,500 pages on anatomy would equal the world's most famous anatomical textbook Gray's Anatomy, (a massive volume) multiplied by six.

Can I suggest that you go back to the article you cited, and find out what it really said? I also want to suggest that you read the section on any Wikipedia article that you edit, before making any change. This is particularly the case when it is an article that gets major traffic. With the current exhibition, there will be people looking up that section of Wikipedia, and over the last 12 hours, they have been badly misinformed by your edit. The article gets 4,000-5,000 hits a day.

If you go to the top of the section about Leonardo's notebooks (in the Wikipedia article) you will find that it tells you that he left over 6,000 pages. That means in total. That includes flying machines, tanks, dragons, horses, drapery, cats, dogs and chubby babies. In other words, the 6,500 pages are the work of a lifetime of observation, experimentation and thought, on many and diverse subjects.

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Since the news article that you quoted actually gives very precise details of the volume of the anatomic studies, I will use those figures.

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Done. Thanks. Budhen (talk) 10:00, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Budapest String Quartet: Permission to use Youngrok Lee discography[edit]

FYI: See new "Permission to use" section at Talk:Budapest String Quartet. Lee's is extremely thorough. Help yourself if interested; I'm slammed for time, myself. Milkunderwood (talk) 17:18, 30 May 2014 (UTC)